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What does Cinemaphile think of Shintaro Katsu’s Zatoichi movies?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Never seen one.
    Recommend me the best one to get started

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen the first two. They're kino.

      Literally movie #1 - The Tale of Zatoichi.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        A lot of people say to start with the first one: Tale of Zatoichi (op picrel) As it’s seen as the classic. But honestly, they’re mostly self-contained stories so you can watch them in pretty much any order.

        Some of my favourites are:

        >Zatoichi Challenged
        >Zatoichi’s Cane Sword
        >Fight, Zatoichi, Fight
        >Zatoichi the Fugitive

        >The Tale of Zatoichi.
        Gonna watch it now. I’ll let you know what i thought about it

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          well?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of people say to start with the first one: Tale of Zatoichi (op picrel) As it’s seen as the classic. But honestly, they’re mostly self-contained stories so you can watch them in pretty much any order.

      Some of my favourites are:

      >Zatoichi Challenged
      >Zatoichi’s Cane Sword
      >Fight, Zatoichi, Fight
      >Zatoichi the Fugitive

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      #16 The Outlaw. It was the first one he did with his own production company and it's the height of the series imo. There's a deeper appreciation that comes from watching them all in order but if I had to pick one it would be that one.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have seen the original one only and the one where he fought against the one-armed swordsman. Both were kino.
    I have seen Kitano's Zatoichi too and it was very good as well.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, they’re both very different, but each very good.

      The quality of the Shintaro Katsu movies fluctuates a bit as the series was so long + lots of different directors, but a lot of it was pure kino.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The complete original collection is on Criterion Channel btw. I'm on #7 at the moment.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I watched Yakuza Bozu (Hoodlum Priest) once as it had been mistakenly labelled as a Zatoichi film.

    It’s not particularly great, but it was funny to see Shintaro Katsu’s performance in it. I half think he took the role just because he was sick of playing a good guy and just wanted to play a complete and utter butthole.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For me it's Hanzo the Razor. It's like Zatoichi but pro-rape

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I hate rape.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        But the women whom Hanzo rapes love it, so it's not rape rape

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Women usually love getting raped. So that's a moot point.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        But the women whom Hanzo rapes love it, so it's not rape rape

        Basically every sex scene in traditional Japanese literature is like that.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      watching it now
      >lmao at this scene

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The second part of the trilogy is the best IMO. And yeah, that's his signature rape move and occurs in all three films

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hanzo was nothing short of painful to watch. Approximately 45 minutes of dick torture cut with 45 minutes of psychedelic rape. The pacing was awful and even as a fun campy flick I found it nothing but dull. Then again, I don’t care for dick torture so maybe that’s just me

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    "acting"

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's just how Japanese behave irl

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There's some good Kung Fu/Samurai kino on Criterion. I watched the first Zatoichi there recently, it was great. 2nd and third movie not as much. Check out -

    Dragon Inn
    The Last Hurrah for Chivalry (john woo movie)
    Tenchu

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      First three Zatoichi films are decent. Most films from the series are quite average, the only real stinker was the Yojimbo crossover one, that was so boring

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >he likes the boring Yojimbo crossover
          Ngmi

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Dragon Inn
      Absolute kino.

      Although, the defeat of the eunuch baddie was some James Gunn tier shit; let's run really fast around him so he gets dizzy!

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They're all great.

    His brother is awesome in Lone Wolf and Cub too.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >no Goyokin
      for shame

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's posted above you

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Have watched 20 out of 25 of those movies.

      But.... No Kagemusha, no Rurouni Kenshin, no Throne of Blood, no Blade of the Immortal, no Zatoichi, no Tsubaki Sanjuro, no Tale of Ugetsu.
      Seriously? Update.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        There's already too much Kurosawa. It doesn't need further casualisation

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Sword of Doon deserved a sequel

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why does Zatoichi travel from studio to studio? Who owns the IP?

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Rutger Hauer played the Americanized Zatoichi and it was pretty good.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I preferred the remake with Takashi Miike, am I a pleb?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      being able to sit through a subtitled film automatically puts you in the top 5% of Cinemaphile

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any reason to watch old Japanese films that aren't Kurosawa?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. Nagisa Ōshima, Masahiro Shinoda, Kei Kumai, Kon Ichikawa, Teruo Ishii, Kinji Fukasaku, Yasuzō Masumura.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sure. At one point Japan made the best genre films and practically invented a few of them.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Japanese and Italian cinema of the 70s is crazy

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Well 70s were rough in general but Japan was a special case. Daiei and Shintoho went bankrupt, Nikkatsu was forced to become a softcore movies studio and even Toho barely managed to keep it together. Kurosawa only made two movies and tried to commit suicide.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, practically the entirety of their Golden Age and New Wave.
      Kurosawa isn't even the best Golden Age director, he gets mogged by Ozu, Mizoguchi and Naruse

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        nah, you're wrong

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, I'm right

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Literally my favorite japanese movie series.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      There are really like three or four choices anyway.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ok slightly more for those familiar with Otoko wa Tsurai yo.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otoko_wa_Tsurai_yo

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    He fricking kicks ass, and him being a masseuse and wearing those little panties he always wears is kino as frick

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I recall enjoying the ones I watched and episodes from the TV series.
    I suspect Lone Wolf and Cub is overall better though.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I bought the Criterion boxset and stil lhaven't watched a single movie from it yet.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i like all of them because samurais are awesome. i like it when he gambles and wins

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I saw some documentary about the star of these movies. He was an absent father and kind of an butthole.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      All accomplished men are

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >When director Akira Kurosawa cast him for the lead role in Kagemusha (1980), Katsu left before the first day of shooting was over.[4] Though accounts differ as to the incident, the most consistent one details Katsu's clash with Kurosawa regarding bringing his own film crew to the set (to film Kurosawa in action for later exhibition to his own acting students).[5][6]

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >On the morning of Monday 26 December 1988, Ryûtarô Gan (the eldest son of Shintarô Katsu), who played Boss Goemon, while on set shooting the film, stabbed and killed actor Yukio Katô in a tragic accident. Gan (who was 24 at the time) struck Katô (age 34) in the neck with a katana long sword, which was supposed to be a prop, while performing an action scene.[5]

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

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