What exactly are the multiple, distinct armed conflicts that comprised "the clone wars"? Why is it not singular "the clone war"?
What exactly are the multiple, distinct armed conflicts that comprised "the clone wars"? Why is it not singular "the clone war"?
Geonosis was the first battle, which you posted
Then there were all sorts of battles depicted in RotS.
yoda says they started after a single battle
more like clone encounter
or droid skirmish
The Republic had been at war with the separatists for like 15 years.
No they weren't. The Separatists were a faction of planets in the Senate that decided to secede. Count Dooku sparked the movement as leader of his planet Serenno, saying the galaxy did not need the Republic, and a coalition of systems followed him feeling the same way. He employed the Trade Federation, Commerce Guild, Techno u
Union, Banking Clans, etc to build droids, weapons, and ships for them which is the deal you see taking place in AotC on Geonosis. The Trade Federation blockade of Naboo was a separate incident involving them being manipulated by Palpatine into trying to force a shitty import/export tariff on that planet because they were a wealthy system.
They weren't trying to force a shitty import/export tariff. It was an act of direct protest against the Republic by the Trade Federation for unfair tariffs imposed on them by the Republic, which was heavily skewed to favor core worlds since they were founding members of the Republic. Naboo was one of the core worlds that produced frick all but managed to remain relatively well off thanks to the exploitive practices that the core-focused worlds had across the galaxy. Which plays into the rest of your post.
The clone wars only lasted 3 years.
>Naboo was one of the core worlds
Naboo is in the mid rim though.
The Jedi were at war with the separatists prior to Episode II, that's why they requested the Republic build an army because they were becoming overwhelmed. The scene with Dooku meeting the separatists on Geonosis was in response to the Republic getting an army aside from the Jedi
No. They weren't. What the frick are you on about? The Jedi were at war with no one.
>This separatist movement, under the leadership of the mysterious Count Dooku, has made it difficult for the limited number of Jedi Knights to maintain peace and order in the galaxy. Senator Amidala, the former Queen of Naboo, is returning to the Galactic Senate to vote on the critical issue of creating an ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC to assist the overwhelmed Jedi....
It says it right in the title crawl.
>Naboo was one of the core worlds that produced frick all
But they were in the mid rim and actually produced a valuable type of plasma only found there which is why the blockade was an issue.
I thought the Clone Wars only lasted 3 years.
BTW, did anyone ever establish how many inhabited systems are in the Republic? It couldn't have been millions, or the Senate building would have covered half the farking planet.
you have wookipedia if you want to learn those autistic details nobody cares about.
Hundreds of legit worlds, thousands of colonies, mining worlds and port planets
I imagine some places are multiple planet sectors that have one senator represent them all, like when the Banking Guild or wtf it was was part of it they probably only had one senator despite multiple planets
we are talking about a galaxy and billions of worlds having wars so maybe is because of that,you autist.
>The Clone Wars
>Just a bunch of Republic soldiers fighting each other
>Not a bunch of evil clones fighting their original selves in a war to take over the galaxy
Dropped.
That sounds far more moronic than what we got
Not in the slightest.
>inb4 a constant porno
Ahsoka isn't attractive
you have the right to be an homosexual i guess
no he doesnt
>he forgot about saleucamei
>he forgot about the clone vs clone wars
Wasn't it originally meant to be something like that? I think in the original draft of TESB Lando was meant to be a leftover clone and it was going to explore the ontological aspects of the Clone War fallout.
It was across multiple planets.
>not called "a series of antiseparatist special military operations"
why don't you ask this in your containment general
So Sheev funded the creation of clones, but who paid for all the ships and blasters and stuff?
Republic taxpayers.
that fat bastard who writes game of thrones would be proud
>No one in the Jedi or Republic Intelligence noticed the resources being allocated across the galaxy to create not one but two fricking fleets big enough to wage war on an intergalactic scale
And nobody thought it was suspicious that some random jedi commissioned it like ordering a pizza even befofe the war is started
That atleast can be explained by the Kaminoans and ship builders just taking the money and not asking questions, kind of like real life
Where did Sifo-Dyas get the money? I mean of course Dooku could've funded it but surely the budget of Galaxy-covering army would've been too much even for count, no matter how wealthy he is. It took bunch of conglomerates to build a droid army but it took one jedi to complete whole functioning army?
That's where shit gets tricky. Because the Kamino Prime Minister says the army for commissioned for the Republic. So theoretically Sifo somehow got the republic to fund this shit, without the bean counters knowing
sheev's master was already corrupting the republic and he was wealthy and powerful,i guess he had something to do with it.
It's literally just Dooku. Dude owned a planet he had the money to pay for around 3 million clones the amount stated in episode 2.
And he also paid for all their equipment too? That shit was probably more expensive than the fricking clones
Considering thr clones are a smaller force than the modern US military I think the wealth of a planet can fund supplying them.
>Fleets of intergalatic capital ships
>Heavy Tanks
>Heavy platform artillery
>Fighter squadrons
>Troop air transports
>Armor
>Basic equipment
It's a goddam stretch that any one planet could afford to produce this all, most militaries just add modern shit on top of older shit, and phase out the really old shit. An entirely new modern army/naval fleet must have been exceedingly expensive
We are talking 3 million clones anon. For reference the US military has just above 2 million. It's not going to cost much.
The US Army has 2 million clones?
Give or take.
I think the idea was that the Republic would pay after the clones were ready. That's the impression that I got given Kenobi's reception when he arrived on Kamino.
How do you know they were new? Blasters and spaceships have been around literally thousands of years in the SW universe
Bro, you and every Star Wars fan know the answer to all of these technical questions are that George didn’t give a shit or put any kind of thought to it because he wasn’t making a movie about clone armies or physically-feasible Death Stars. All of the Flash Gordon and Bladerunner crap is just background for the actual story.
they were clouded by the dark side
At this point we have to accept Sheev clouded judgement on everyone in the fricking galaxy.
The jedi temple was built on top of a sith shrine and its dark side energy clouded their judgement.
I haven't seen AOTC in a long time but isn't Kamino like erased from the galactic map or something? I distinctly remember some scene where Kenobi has never heard of the planet/can't find it on the map or something
That's even more disturbing, which Yoda points out, that a world with Kamino's means and resources can be removed from all known records, and no one even realized it. It was only through second hand knowledge that they even noticed it
Kimono is one thing but that doesn't explain no one noticing kuat and fondor starting production on capital ships and blastech working on millions of rifles.
Details are fuzzy to me either. Why did Jango use Kamino dart out of all the methods to silence Zam? Was Obi-wan supposed to find out about clones at that point?
It could only have been intentional. There's no reason to leave a trail like that. If he can kill Zan with a dart from that range he could have easily used a blaster rifle, which would have left no trace
i can only assume it was because it was silent, a blaster shot would've drawn witnesses
as for obi wan being supposed to find the clones, idk what the actual plan was supposed to be but we know the jedi were supposed to find them eventually and him following jango worked out in favor of sheev's plan
Sheev would have needed the Republic to find out eventually right?
Isn't Sifo-Dyas Sheev, not Dooku? Why would Dooku fund a clone army when he already had the Trade Federation droids?
Isn't that all they do?
>Isn't Sifo-Dyas Sheev, not Dooku
No, Sifo-Dyas was an actual jedi who had been calling for making an army for the republic but thr jedi wouldn't allow it. He then turned to his old friend Dooku to help as he had left the jedi order for similar reasons. Dyas was not aware that Dooku had fallen to the dark side by this point, after making the order Dooku killed him thus Obi-Wan being confused at him ordering the clones as he died.
Furthermore, if Sifo-Dyas really did make the army and not sheev, why did they come pre-programmed with a jedi extermination order?
Plan goes as follows.
>palpatine is going to cause a civil war
>dooku is the figure head for the opposition
>dooku is in on this plan
>dooku manipulates his jedi friend to make an army for the republic
>dooku and sheev kill this jedi
>program clones with jedi kill switch
Because moronic kids show retconned the previous lore
>Why would Dooku fund a clone army when he already had the Trade Federation droids?
Civil War is Palpatines plan. It's an easy way to stomp out dissenters who would be against the empire before the empire even happens. Dooku wasn't fully in on the plan but knew this much.
Yeah I know, that's why I'm saying it makes no sense for Dooku to make the army. He wouldn't make an army for the republic when his entire plan is to just revolt against it. It only makes sense if Sheev made the army because he has the whole 5d chess civil war to empire plan.
So then what was sheev's plan if he didn't even know the clones were being made? How does he defeat Dooku?
Sheev knew about the army, it's part of the plan and Dooku is in on it. Dooku used his friend in the jedi order to make the order for an army at Palpatines request.
So what was Dooku's end game then? Be graciously welcomed back into the empire as 2nd in command after leading a revolt against the republic?
Well since Sheev ultimately ordered the separatist leaders executed Dooku was either a dead man and didn't realize it, or he would have killed the leaders himself and played it off doing it for a pardon
I was under the impression he thought sidious was on the seperatists side and wanted them to win.
If he thinks Palpatine wants the Separatists to win why would he even go along with the whole "make a clone army for the republic" part? Wouldn't it have been a lot easier to win if the clones were never made and they could just rush to Coruscant and purge everyone
This is the only way it makes sense that Dooku was in on the clone army being built. Seems like a rough gamble on his part though tbh, he should have just lied to sheev about ordering the clones but never actually do it, and then take over himself with the droids
A protracted war would cause more suffering, leading to more fear, hate, and sadness. Those feed the darksade which help make Palpatine (and by extension Dooku's) pp into big PP
I think a quick war leading to a takeover by a Sith-lead droid army would have plenty of fear, hate, and sadness
>we need the public on our side
>also we're a authoritarian dictatorship that blows up member planets and tries to execute senators
>also we're a authoritarian dictatorship that blows up member planets and tries to execute senators
Yeah 19 years after they literally handed Sheev ultimate power.
Yeah but he'd have ultimate power if he just marched the droids to a clone-less Coruscant and threw his entire army at the Jedi Temple and Senate. If his end goal is just going to be an empire so evil that everyone hates it anyway, seems he took a very round-about route getting there. He should have planned simpler, maybe he wouldn't have ended up thrown down an endless pit
>also we're a authoritarian dictatorship that blows up member planets and tries to execute senators
He only did that once he was secure in his position
>Wouldn't it have been a lot easier to win if the clones were never made and they could just rush to Coruscant and purge everyone
That doesn't get the public on your side, and part of the war is defaming the jedi so them being executed isn't seen as bad by the galaxy. He wants his side to look like liberators.
He is being fed a false outcome where yhe separatists win, but Palpatine plans on killing him.
>Dooku used his friend in the jedi order to make the order for an army at Palpatines request.
Is this fanfic from that cartoon? As far as the movies are concerned Dooku had no idea about the clone army.
I find it being named after the Clones is weird. Like I get it has to be called that because of Obi-Wan's line in ANH, but from a in-universe perspective I don't get why they would call it that. Why not call it the Galactic Civil War or the Separatist War?
Probably because between the Separatists, the Jedi and the droid armies the clones were the last ones standing.
Yoda calls it the Clone Wars at the end of AOTC. Which raises the question, are we supposed to believe Yoda was the one to name it with the name it got stuck with?
Easy:
Clone war 1 was against the Seperatists.
Clone war 2 was against the Jedi and their treasonous co-conspirators and sympathizers.
>The Clone Wars lasted three years
fricking moronic
3 years and across hundreds of different theaters of war
>3 years
You could ask the same of "Star Wars" in the OT.
I mean the clone wars and its impact were always meant to be a thing
You got the
Cis war
The hutt war
The sith-jedi war
Then the outter rim skirmishes or outrim war
Really 4 wars
All these enemies of the republic went to war with each other or the with republic by design of sideous
This caused the jedi to have to fight all these wars spread thin