what exactly did saul do illegal?
forgive me if i am wrong but he did basic lawyer stuff.
he was a bit shady and a douchebag but which lawyer isnt?
he helped launder money, and he gave advises to a criminal. he knew about the murders but isnt that client lawyer confidentiality?
he never commited any murder, he never saw any of them, he never partook in illegal activities concerning the drug trade.
Did he really deserve so many years?
For me 7 years is an acceptable sentence.
Jesse deserved more years yet he is free in Alaska how is that fair?
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what were the charges?
RICO charges, motherfrickers
THIS. However, why did Saul cuck out for a woman, was it really worth it instead of serving the original 7 years and then going on to make something of his life, now he’s stuck in jail for the rest of his life where he still can’t escape his Saul Goodman persona.
Because he realized a life like Gene wasn't worth living, I think? that's why he caught her attention in the first place.
better in hail with Kim visiting him and giving him a little color
Jeez, what a cuck, she egged him on to participate in the scam to ruin Howard’s reputation and then left him high and dry when things became too hot and this is when he should have realised she wasn’t worth it and now he’s going to serve 86 years in jail so he can feel better about himself?? ok, sure, I get the “moral ending” and the character development side of the show will instead of it being plot, but it’s still a bit of a stretch…
That's how old movies were, with characters saying/ making exaggerated and unrealistic decisions just to make a poetic point and you have a lot of that in this season
>better in jail with Kim visiting him and giving him a little color
Kim won't be visiting him for 80 years, I give her 2 months before she gets married and forgets about him.
also him taking the fall for her defeats the purpose of atonement, she should've also been jailed for what she did
>dude i hate women so much
I don't, it's just not fair for her to talk about guilt and atonement when she gets off with scratches, the only thing she did was confess to Howard's wife.
Jimmy here is taking the fall for her crimes as well, this is peak hypocrisy.
Why are people asking this shit? it is not obvious?
If Kim got away unscathed it was because she honestly took responsibility in the previous episode. If she didn't get in trouble with the law, it was because Cheryl decided not to.
now ask yourselves why cheryl decided not to do it because i don't want to write anymore
How does that have anything to do with civil liability? I don't see how she would have gone down for it either way if the entire case would be based on her testifying against herself or getting Saul to testify against her. Shit made no sense.
>only men should take responsibility for their actions
show bobs n vagene
>Kim visiting him and giving him a little color
Is that why the cigarette she gave him was the only thing colored in the Gene period?
That's what I meant, wasn't that the only warm moment of this season?
Or at least in the black and white ones?
>Is that why the cigarette she gave him was the only thing colored in the Gene period?
BRAVO BRAVO
> that's why he caught her attention in the first place.
better in hail with Kim visiting him and giving him a little color
how insincere he was there btw, bringing Kim to his trial based on lies to try to manipulate her with the I'm Mcgill, not Saul shit
basically being Saul, not Mcgill
I think so, Jimmy's life was simply hopelessly over
if he took those 7 years, he would be Gene again later
Anyway, the ending gives me a meh taste, it's a bit forced and unrealistic.
And how does his confession relieve Kim from civil liability?
in his confession he said Kim had no involvement at all with Howards murder which shields her from civil liability. Otherwise she was a co conspirator
That's ok but him confesing doesn't guarantee anything with Kim. And Kim's moved over from him at this point.
His prison time won't be that bad, he's liked by everyone and will have interviewers and documentary makers coming to see him his whole life
He did it for Chuck
This. Even if it was just multiple counts of drug money laundering they could frick him if it was a RICO case, which Walt's meth empire case certainly would be
How would they prove Saul was part of the criminal organization?
Being their lawyer doesn't prove that and wouldn't make any sense.
Because of Huel and his big mouth
And Skyler
isnt that just hearsay?
Hearsay is a kind of evidence, right anon?
"Racketeering" is an imaginary crime
Its actually an umbrella term for many different crimes
An imaginary crime that somehow people still get convicted for. What did the government mean by this?
We’re the racketeers
You can be one too
Laundering money is the thing to do
Client lawyer confidentiality doesn't magically give the lawyer immunity to commit crimes on their client's behalf.
>be underworld crime lord
>go to law school in spare time
>become lawyer
>become my lawyer’s lawyer
>we can now freely discuss our criminal enterprises with each other
>both of us are covered both ways by attorney client privilege
looks like I just found a loophole in your ironclad legal system there, kiddo
Did you watch the episode? They names the charges. Money laundering mainly. But he’s also an accessory to every crime Walter committed, which there were dozens of including murder. My problem is they never explain how they tied Saul to Walter. Sure, the feds might have known Saul was Walter’s lawyer, but how did they know Saul was the one laundering his money?
They squeezed Francesca and she squealed on all the money laundering stuff.
I wish I could squeeze Francesca and Erin Brill at the same time
skyler was dragged through courts for 6 months
Presumably Skylar told them everything as far as Saul Goodman's involvement with Walt
the words of a washed up hag isnt enough, kid.
they need concrete evidence not the hearsay of a gilf.
how do we know that the vacuum guy wasnt a glowie to begin with>?
>the words of a washed up hag isnt enough, kid.
>they need concrete evidence not the hearsay of a gilf.
Which is why he was pretty easily able to secure a 7 year plea deal, the case against him wasn't super great.
Most of that would be hearsay though. Skylar could only testify to what she saw, not what someone else said. There literally no evidence against Saul. Last episode was unrealistic trash.
Walt's plan removed all guilt from Skylar and then even got her a deal.
It was supposed to all be explained in the Better Call Saul show but then they gave us some random prequel about him not being Saul for multiple seasons
his secretary gave them information which lead to the discovery of shell companies he set up. it was explained several episodes ago.
>also an accessory to every crime Walter committed
he was forced to commit them, Walter held a literal gun to his head.
That was exactly the reason he got 7 years at first but then threw it all away.
>he never partook in illegal activities concerning the drug trade.
money laundering is illegal
So what?
everyone does it.
there is no small to medium business out there with no ties with money laundering.
small business are either fronts for money laundering or bankrupt. thats how it is , boy.
>t. Never ran a business.
>t. third world monke
>money laundering
I don't think this means what you think it means
You don’t get it he felt LE HECKIN GUILT
yeh, it’s a bullshit narrative, they want us to accept that he throws it all away for “LE HECKIN GUILT”…where’s the original ending, the one Rhea Seehorm described as “psychologically disturbing”….
>he helped launder money
which is illegal
>he knew about the murders
which is illegal (accessory after the fact)
>but isnt that client lawyer confidentiality
Yes, and he gave up that confidentiality when he admitted to the crimes.
laundering money that are coming from providing goods and services is not illegal. Law comes from God, not from the State, there is no Law that prohibits the trade of goods and services between willing people fully capable of making choices. You may say that drug addicts don't make choices, but I would like you to notice that drugs were sold to distributors not to drug addicts. The manufacter (Walter White) doesn't know and has no say inwhat use the distributor will make of his product.
What happened is that a criminal organization called the State persecuted a man (Saul Goodman) who tried to protect an honest businessman (Walter White). A trial in a State court is not a Trial, just a weird ritual similar to what the mafia would do.
Take your meds
>Law comes from God, not from the State
it's time for your medication
>Law comes from God, not from the State, there is no Law that
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vince is an arrogant israelite
>For me 7 years is an acceptable sentence.
Yeah. Remember the prosecutor had never lost a case. he was clearly there for the high profile career maker and threw the big numbers for the charges to look good when the press showed up.
growing up is recognizing that villains in movies and tv are often the good guys
Conspiracy to commit multiple murders, conspiracy to launder drug money, laundering drug money, aiding and abetting drug traffickers
He was literally a part of the conspiracy/planning of the prison murders
>he helped launder money
>he never partook in illegal activities concerning the drug trade
How is laundering the drug money not directly partaking in the illegal activity concerning the drug trade?
The last episode was a complete failure and a stinker. There was no way the government had enough evidence to convict Saul on any of that. Absolutely no evidence. Then when he hears that someone might sue Kim, he suddenly says I am the bad guy and Kim didn't do anything wrong, even though Kim literally wrote and signed an affidavit explaining her involvement?
exactly, Kim deserves jailtime just like that boomer Jesse does.
He didn't sing like a canary to get Kim off scot free. He did it because she confessed, and so he had to as well to show that he's still Jimmy, and so he could see her one more time.
But then that heartless b***h doesn't even return his finger guns. Saddest ending I've ever seen.
Unironically various forms of racketeering under rico predecates ie every single thing he did in service of Walts criminal organization is a 5-10 year charge
Right, but what evidence? They have no witnesses, and no evidence.
They had him dead to rights on the money laundering operation, Francesca gave the Feds access to the accounts Saul used
K, but that is like 5% of their case though, they would have to have more information also to convict. Francesca wouldn't know anything, so it comes back to witness evidence, which there is none.
The money laundering alone is enough to put him away for decades at maximum sentencing. They stacked everything else on to intimidate him into giving in to whatever deal the prosecutor was going to offer before Saul interrupted and asserted control over the situation.
but how did they even link him with money laundering charges?
even that is circumstantial.
i am willing to bet, that jimmy can leave prison whenever he wants with the extremely weak evidence they have.
>but how did they even link him with money laundering charges?
reported income doesn't match the records? that's how they all get caught
the feds already got hold of all of his assets and shell companies, all they had to do was follow the accounting trails.
yes but nothing was on his name?
neither the walter's cleaners.
also how did skyler go scott free?
You still have Saul able to play the victim at the hands of a murderous drug dealer. Without a corroborating witness able to testify that Saul wasn't acting under duress, it would be hard to convict.
Also, doesn’t Saul going to jail expose vaccum repair man, surely the Fed’s would have asked him how he managed to create a fake identity post 9/11 etc…
9/11 didn’t happen in the Breaking Bad universe
Not true. In season 4 of Breaking Bad when Fring is interviewed by the DEA his shadowy background raises some suspicions in Hank. 9/11 is specifically mentioned in reference to the State Department not being very stringent on background checks "pre 9/11".
Wrong. That was in reference to the Breaking Bad universe’s popular convenience store chain “9/11”, a play on words from our real world 7/11. They are referencing the rise in Indian-American terrorism and the crack down on convenience store background checks in universe.
LOL that's some good stuff man. I'm cracking up over here, you got some spark kid
I thought Fring's shadowy background was explained away as the Pinochet regime being notorious for disappearing people and erasing records.
It was
Mike literally says robbing a train post 9/11 is a terrible idea because homeland choppers would be on your ass immediately
Again this is in reference to convenience store terrorists.
See
you fricking speed watchers…
The 86 was a meme from Kim, also, he can ask for a new audience in some years
Realistically, he could get out in 12
>Jesse deserved more years yet he is free in Alaska how is that fair?
Jesse's guilty of cooking and selling of his own accord but from the start of BB onward he was operating under blackmail from Walt. The worst thing he's guilty of is killing Gale, which was arguably self-defense. He got traumatized to hell and back, was kept like an animal for like 10 months by a gang of psychotic neo-nazis, and ultimately did lose everything besides a bit of cash to live off in Alaska. Maybe El Camino's ending was a bit flowery for this universe but you sure as shit can't say he got off scot-free
>blackmail from Walt.
Implying Saul was equal
>killing Gale, which was arguably self-defense
What?
It was a case of preemptive self-defense.
Reminder that a lawyer can do crimes and get away with anything if you put a dollar in their pocket
>you can murder people if you're a lawyer because muh confidentiality
The average fricking moronic Cinemaphile poster everyone
politicians do it all the time yet they get nobel peace prizes for it.
Third worlders aren't human, it's not murder. Keep seething about it
Is "what were Saul charges?" the new "why kim hate howard" or actual moronic anons?
We are Better Call Saul
Confidentiality doesn't protect you if you are actively covering up ongoing crimes, it's only for things that happened in the past.
derp derp i feel so bad and wanna saved my ex from being sued by a rich widow whos husbands was a arrogant butthole, Hamlin trespassing when murdered boo hoo boo hoo im so sad lawyer dont want freedom, want jail and bum stuff want, im going to take 80 years because that is the only logical thing that my character would do despite no living human being would ever do that because its fricking insane.
ending could have been him getting out of jail in 5 years and dedicating his life to volunteering, like Kim was doing in that law place.
actually helping people and serving the world. Hamlin deserved to be killed just for denying that young girl a scholarship because she shop lifted, Hamlin was an butthole. He stole clients. His wife didn't like him.
Hamlin fricked plenty of people over. He was unethical with the Sandpiper case.
Kim was volunteering in that law place, the truth was they needed to ATONE IN THE REAL WORLD. Not in jail lol.
Kim went to Gus's house to murder him lol
conspiracy to murder, is she going to admit to that???
Doesn't matter the circumstances, the law says shes should have gone to the police.
Kim should be jailed for attempting to kill Gus. But no boo hoo we have to have a FULL confession from simp boy james. because why.
I wanted to see James/ jimmy, Saul whatever atone in the real world, the world he spent his life trying to frick over. He finally serves other people, volunteers forever, uses his resources to help others.
7 years is a long time, and enough time to atone.
Serves a life sentence doing the equivalent of picking litter on the highway, like he got out of, by bullshitting the dude. no more bs, full time low rank civilian. Jail is too easy for him, the prisoners' were worshiping him
The court didn't deserve the whole truth. The world deserved James MGill becoming a real citizen.
James atoning back in the real world would have been the most logical thing.
total bullshit.
>My lawyer will ream your ass
>Immediately calls Bill Oakley as counsel
Ohnononono Oakley sisters
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Really needed another season with cartel stuff being done. So much was shoved into the second half of the last season and since Howard died the whole show just went to shit.
Also should have lost the black and white as soon as we started the future arc
Yeah, the first few seasons were too slow and the last too rushed. Condense the pre-saul stuff and give him another full Saul season. Right now, I'd say many individual episodes are better but BB is the better series overall.
RICO
SUAVE
papi
Still processing that ending man. I feel bad for my man Jimmy, but at least now he has peace within himself.
so what was the point of jeff or nippy or any of it? just to provide the black and white hooks every season?
To show that despite any excuse he uses, Saul likes committing crimes and he got arrested in the end because he couldn't stop. It's all alligator tears, he only feels guilt when it's someone he cares about getting affected.
but i thought the ending was to show saul breaking chuck's prophecy for him by having him act honourably and admit what he did without tears
Only for Kim.
>7 years was the sentence agreed to Saul
>BCS aired over 7 years
AHHHHHH BRAVO VINCE
WE ARE BECOME SAUL
>Sauls punishment is being in a plave where everyone worships
client lawyer confidentiality only means that he can't testify against his client. it doesn't mean the DEA can't investigate crimes that he perpetrated alongside his client
>uh your honor it was actually neo nazis who killed hank and gomez not us
was it that hard?
Do you now know what 'accessory' means?
The problem is they were the same Neo-Nazis Walt willingly collaborated with, which meant Saul also collaborated with because he was still his attorney.
>1/2
Chuck was someone who knew his purpose in life and followed it with conviction. Jimmy on the other hand never had that kind of direction. He was aimless and because of that he ended up with an unfulfilling life. You can always tell if a person is walking his true path in life. It was a pure Maktub scene. Chuck saw it because he knew and understood Jimmy like a brother. Chuck pleaded with Jimmy to turn back, start over and find his purpose. But it's impossible to turn back. The time machine questions showed the audience that Jimmy was acutely aware of the fact that he wasn't on the road to finding his purpose. Both scenes with Mike and Walt respectively showed that Jimmy wanted out. He didn't want to be a lawyer. Whatever his purpose in life may be, Jimmy knew this wasn't it.
The scenes we got with Kim in Florida showed that she at that point also wasn't following her path. She didn't want to work that shitty job and knew it wasn't her purpose. The hollow conversations and death stare showed us the sadness of when someone who knows his or her purpose but isn't following it. However, unlike Jimmy Kim was blessed to know her purpose. Kim couldn't live with walking besides her path and eventually the discomfort made her turn back and face the music. She confessed to Howard's wife and by doing so cleared her conscious. Whatever Howard's wife would or could have done, it wasn't going to hurt as much as having to live with a bad conscious. After the confession Kim was absolved and eventually found her path again in the Florida law center.
>2/2
Jimmy on the other hand was cursed with not having found his purpose. A profoundly sad circumstance. If only he could go back in time and start all over and find his purpose. But you can't and so Jimmy kept running from his conscious. The thrills he got from hustling numbed his pain of not having a purpose and that's why he kept at it. But you can't lie to yourself forever and one by one Jimmy's alter ego's fall. Gene makes his final call and then Saul the clown gets his last hurray by hustling the prosecution into plea deal as ridiculous as the clown's suits. And then in the clowns theater, the courtroom, the final alter ego falls. It's not Saul, it's Jimmy. Jimmy would not carry his burden any longer. Not being himself, not following his heart and not having a purpose in life. It all got too much and so he confesses.
Unlike Kim, Jimmy didn't seem to regret any of his sins and I didn't find that a fulfilling ending. I also didn't like the contrast of Kim having her purpose, committing her sins and then being absolved so easily while Jimmy ate shit for the majority of his entire life. Is it Jimmy's fault for not finding his purpose in life? The writers kept portraying Jimmy like a clown for too long and the bus scene felt like they were bullying him. Making fun of the clown who couldn't find his purpose in life. Or are we supposed to feel like that notoriety and glutenous pride is what Jimmy truly desired? Either way, there was a clear emphasis on purpose, crime and punishment, regret and absolution. I felt like they didn't thoroughly touch all those bases with Jimmy. Not in this finale but throughout the series.
>Take 7 year deal, forget ice cream deal
>Get your respect for those 7 years still
>Get out and still get to live with Kim because you know she's going to leave Yepman
>Still gets to drop the Saul/Gene persona
This wouldn't work because of the plot device(contrivance) of him taking the fall for kim. He sacrifices the rest of his life so she can be free, and the audience is supposed to feel good about that because apparently Kim deserves to be free but not Saul cause hank died. If she confesses, how is it even possible for him to just take all of her charges and everyone believes his word? no trial for kim? Saul sacrifices himself for a woman who won't give him the time of day and who ratted him out. bullshit ending.
RICO means that if your roommate asks to borrow your car and then he goes out driving with a friend and that friend says stop for a minute and then goes and commits a burglary and the home owner gets spooked and shoots him dead YOU get charged as an accessory to his murder even though not you or your roommate knew a crime would take place and no one wanted to kill anyone and the only person to pull a trigger was legally defending themselves. Welcome to America.
Dropped this shit 10 minutes into the first ep, please spoil me the ending. Do they go back to the present?
BCS gets good about halfway through the first season, yeah it's a trite comment but it's worth giving it a shot.
they cover all of Jimmys backstory for 5.9 seasons then they jump back to the actual present for the final 3-4 episodes. They even have cameos from basically everyone except Hank and Skylar
BETRAAAAAAAYAL!~ BETRAYAL! BETRAYED ME! THIS ENDING SUCKKKS!!!
>Well I guess I fought the law and the law won!
“We had a good thing you stupid son of a b***h, we had kino, we had a good buildup for a finale, we had everything we needed and it all ran like clockwork. You could have shut your mouth, given us a happy ending, and made as much money as you needed, but you just had to blow it up, you and your pride and your ego”
eating a meal
A succulent chinese meal?
Literally nothing. Feds are always in the wrong. Gus was right about not going to DEA.
>HE GAVE AWAY HIS LIFE TO SAVE HER FROM PRISON, SEE? HE IS REDEEMED AND IS A GOOD GUY AGAIN! HE'S JUST LIKE JESUS!
you know it's bad when El Camino wraps up the story better
El Camino isnt canon. Its basically a fanfinc.
FAT TOAD LFMAFO
>it isn't canon
thats what I wish for this finale episode.