I can't wait to see what Satan looks like in Hazbin. He's probably the ruler of the Ring that has these goat candle demons in it.
For those that don't know, the entire reason imps/devils in popular culture have horns and hooves is because they are a morphed version of Greek satyrs who were supremely sinful and also half goat.
Is Satan not Lucifer in Hazbin Hotel?
In Christianity, there is no distinction between Satan and Lucifer, they're just different names for the same guy (along with The Devil, Old Scratch, Prince Of Darkness, etc.)
But in some new age/occult/mystic/satanic religions, they do draw a distinction, and say they are different things. So I don't know what Hazbin Hotel is gonna do
If Satan is Lucifer, than here's your Satan bro
Yea Satan and Lucifer are different characters in this canon. Some of the older biblical works portray them as different people even if culture has fused the 2 in modern times. Lucifer in Hazbin is a fallen angel and the one who did the whole Garden of Eden schtick, which is why his outfit, hotel and knock off theme park Loo Loo Land have a bunch of apple iconography. Satan....I'm not sure, but I assume he's going to be what you think of when you think of a typical red horned Devil. He may be responsible for having created the Imps, idk
>Some of the older biblical works portray them as different people
They are just a human king and a good regular angel in the old testament
New testament portray satan as a demon and describe his backstory as the king fall from the old testament
>Some of the older biblical works portray them as different people even if culture has fused the 2 in modern times.
Not really that. You've got to remember the Bible is a collection of books written over a long period of time by a lot of different people. In Genesis, a serpent (with no name in that book) deceives humanity. In the book of Isaiah, a "Lucifer" falls from heaven to earth. In lots of books (Job most prominently) there is this evil character named "Satan."
So then in Revelation, the final book of the Bible (both the final book written and the final book in the collection), it all comes together: "And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." (Revelation 12:9)
A lot of those previously mentioned groups in other posts, new age/occult/mystic/satanic religions, don't believe in the Christian New Testament as is, and that causes radical reinterpretations of the Old Testament text
Is Satan not Lucifer in Hazbin Hotel?
In Christianity, there is no distinction between Satan and Lucifer, they're just different names for the same guy (along with The Devil, Old Scratch, Prince Of Darkness, etc.)
But in some new age/occult/mystic/satanic religions, they do draw a distinction, and say they are different things. So I don't know what Hazbin Hotel is gonna do
If Satan is Lucifer, than here's your Satan bro
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Yea Satan and Lucifer are different characters in this canon. Some of the older biblical works portray them as different people even if culture has fused the 2 in modern times. Lucifer in Hazbin is a fallen angel and the one who did the whole Garden of Eden schtick, which is why his outfit, hotel and knock off theme park Loo Loo Land have a bunch of apple iconography. Satan....I'm not sure, but I assume he's going to be what you think of when you think of a typical red horned Devil. He may be responsible for having created the Imps, idk
>Some of the older biblical works portray them as different people even if culture has fused the 2 in modern times.
Not really that. You've got to remember the Bible is a collection of books written over a long period of time by a lot of different people. In Genesis, a serpent (with no name in that book) deceives humanity. In the book of Isaiah, a "Lucifer" falls from heaven to earth. In lots of books (Job most prominently) there is this evil character named "Satan."
So then in Revelation, the final book of the Bible (both the final book written and the final book in the collection), it all comes together: "And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." (Revelation 12:9)
A lot of those previously mentioned groups in other posts, new age/occult/mystic/satanic religions, don't believe in the Christian New Testament as is, and that causes radical reinterpretations of the Old Testament text
It really could go either way.
The facts are that the concept of "Satan" as we know as today, including his goat-like appearance, his name, and the notion that he is a fallen angel, is all an amalgamation of mistranslations of the Old Testament.
This video explains it very well, and I don't even know very much about the bible. It's only 15 mins so I recommend it: https://youtu.be/4-AwpkMuW4s
I wouldn't be surprised if the Lucifer and Satan were two different characters in the HH world, and I've even heard from other threads that Lucifer and Lillith are incestous siblings who are the children of Satan or something, so creative liberties are sure to be abound.
South Park doesnt takes it seriously; its not like Trey and Matt spent hours worldbuilding about it, its just the old fire and brimstone hell but more pleasant
I like the adoption of the "Hell is other people" principle where they aren't literally being tortured, but rather being around all their fellow sinners is sufficient punishment itself
I honestly couldn't care less, it did give me porn of that wolf and shortstack imp from the spin off which seems to be getting a lot more episodes than this one, so I think its existence is justified
It did
Makes me wonder if they're going to take a page out of it and sin and death are going to be Satan's kids in hazbin
I know they'll Beelzebub and already used mammon
Though i haven't heard of moloch yet
If we go further they should also be fallen angels out related to them >Also: royalty can only be killed by angel weapons >The only way to kill the soul of humans too >That means that the souls of sinners and demon royalty had the same source and is made from the same matter >while lowly hell born demons souls are made from 'lesser' material
Do hellborn demons even have a soul?
Also Christians have been writing and depicting hell in manners far removed from the standard depiction of hell since the enlightenment, and possibly even before it. Hazbin depicting hell as anything other than eternal burning in excrement, or even in a somewhat neutral light, is nothing new.
I thought Hell was always supposed to be a horrible place where bad people go to suffer. If it has been depicted as something else once, can you elaborate a bit?
According to the earliest depictions of Hell, Hell is supposed to be one big soul furnace where unpure souls (people who commit grave sins on earth) are cleaned before they can ascend to heaven. Hell is supposed to be a temporary stay, where the unpure wait for cleansing. Christians took this depiction, said "frick it", and decided that hell is an eternal, neverending punishment, where a supposedly good and completely moral god sends all people who have committed a single, grave sin on earth to burn forever in fire.
Will we see Jesus? I don't care about the gay demon stuff but seeing how they depict angels sounds more interesting
Probably? It just depends on if we'll see more of heaven and how it works in the show (which is very likely since the whole premise is about redeeming sinners so heaven stops sending angels to come a cleanse the pride ring every year). Personally, I'd really like to see Jesus be the leader of the exterminators (angels who come down to hell every year to cull the sinners). Jesus did descend into hell before ascending to be seated at the right hand of the father.
Viv stated at one point that the depictions of Heaven would allegedly focus more on the systems and hierarchies within it and far less on any actual notable biblical figures. Whether this will be true or not is another question.
>one big soul furnace where unpure souls (people who commit grave sins on earth) are cleaned before they can ascend to heaven >a temporary stay, where the unpure wait for cleansing
Isn't this just Purgatory? Even Dante wrote about it.
>Isn't this just Purgatory? Even Dante wrote about it.
Dante was never considered a Holy Man and his fanfiction of meeting all his favorite Pagan Philosophers in "Hell-but-not-Hell" has next to zero theological basis and was entirely pulled out of his ass but the Church at the time thought it was useful enough to illustrate to the plebs how bad Hell could be they just sort of accepted it.
>"frick it", and decided that hell is an eternal, neverending punishment
isn't that also not true? I thought that all souls from hell would be brought back to life during judgement day to be judged again and to see if they've learned their lesson. If they have, they go to heaven and if not they just get deleted.
Christians spent a good portion of their history trying to stamp out and suppress any traditions or beliefs that could be construed as "mystical". Mainstream christians really hate their own mythos.
That's a vast oversimplification. Many Christians throughout history have shown a great willingness to "adapt" their own text to accommodate the assimilation of other Pagan cultures, whether it being acknowleding certain historical figures of supreme merits as saints, or incorporating as much of paganism as possible into Christianity. It's not as simple as Christian Mythos Bad
Argueably ever since the whole "hes a fallen angel" deal became a thing but I think it was gnostics who first came with the theory that Lucifer was actually a good guy since he was rebelling against the Demiurge and no the true gods.
Humanizing satan isn't the bad part, its media trying to make us perceive him in a positive light thats the problem. L-man is not some quirky progressive misunderstood man and was done dirty by heaven. He is a prideful narcissist frick that was jealous of us being favored by god and cause of that we live in such a miserable state as he try to make as many of us sin as possible.
Yes senpai, there is a based part of this israeli afterlife made by a woman that makes 6 million more dollars than the animator of Murdoch Murdoch Murdoch Chan
Le quirky hell of hazbin hotel is unironically just as biblically canon as all the enlightenment era depictions of hell that normies on the street think hell is.
>give alastor a cajun accent, and have him be not-a-cannibal-but-plays-along-with-it-to-keep-up-the-reputation >make charlie straight >delete vaggie >make angel dust a woman
>3 years since show and besides a bunch of Instagram shit and a couple snippits of recolored characters, nothing >general on /trash/ reduced to Discordhomosexualry and shitposting any newbies >threads on Cinemaphile ceased after 6 months including /misc/gay and 4Charlie poster >Helluva Boss gets 7 episodes and its season finale cannot air due to old drama with the blue furry b***h Viv was known to steal as early as 2014
Soldierchads, stay winning.
If the show is willing to make hell a furry show i wonder if we can finally have some interesting portray of angels as non humanoids but the weird shit we see in the bible.
also please dont make heavens the EVIL ELITE, but a legit good place to live
.peeD
Sneed
Waste of digits. Type backwards next time.
Godspeed anon.
WOAH
it's true and yet you're like 3 years late to complain like this about it
Someone has to
But South Park did the same thing and everyone loves Satan in that show
Not me
I can't wait to see what Satan looks like in Hazbin. He's probably the ruler of the Ring that has these goat candle demons in it.
For those that don't know, the entire reason imps/devils in popular culture have horns and hooves is because they are a morphed version of Greek satyrs who were supremely sinful and also half goat.
Didn't they literally show Satan in the Pilot? Isn't he in that portrait with Charlie's family?
Lucifer and Satan are not the same guy in the show, Satan is not even a title in this show but some random demon name.
oh, well, answered my questions
Yea Satan and Lucifer are different characters in this canon. Some of the older biblical works portray them as different people even if culture has fused the 2 in modern times. Lucifer in Hazbin is a fallen angel and the one who did the whole Garden of Eden schtick, which is why his outfit, hotel and knock off theme park Loo Loo Land have a bunch of apple iconography. Satan....I'm not sure, but I assume he's going to be what you think of when you think of a typical red horned Devil. He may be responsible for having created the Imps, idk
>Some of the older biblical works portray them as different people
They are just a human king and a good regular angel in the old testament
New testament portray satan as a demon and describe his backstory as the king fall from the old testament
>Some of the older biblical works portray them as different people even if culture has fused the 2 in modern times.
Not really that. You've got to remember the Bible is a collection of books written over a long period of time by a lot of different people. In Genesis, a serpent (with no name in that book) deceives humanity. In the book of Isaiah, a "Lucifer" falls from heaven to earth. In lots of books (Job most prominently) there is this evil character named "Satan."
So then in Revelation, the final book of the Bible (both the final book written and the final book in the collection), it all comes together: "And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." (Revelation 12:9)
A lot of those previously mentioned groups in other posts, new age/occult/mystic/satanic religions, don't believe in the Christian New Testament as is, and that causes radical reinterpretations of the Old Testament text
Is Satan not Lucifer in Hazbin Hotel?
In Christianity, there is no distinction between Satan and Lucifer, they're just different names for the same guy (along with The Devil, Old Scratch, Prince Of Darkness, etc.)
But in some new age/occult/mystic/satanic religions, they do draw a distinction, and say they are different things. So I don't know what Hazbin Hotel is gonna do
If Satan is Lucifer, than here's your Satan bro
Old Scratch is a fricking awesome name for a demonic creature by the way.
I'm pretty confident Satan was more of a title meaning Adversary that was just most commonly used on Lucifer
I think that was the hebrew bible, at least. In this case Satan is probably used distinguishably
>Hebrew bible
Dude, Christianity also uses the 'Hebrew bible' is called the old testament
Comes before the new one
>ruler of hell
>a fricking parakeet
I think they look more like a wieneratiel than anything.
All the demon lords so far are pretty gay
The worst sin of all: gay
Lucy is pride, Stan is wrath
It really could go either way.
The facts are that the concept of "Satan" as we know as today, including his goat-like appearance, his name, and the notion that he is a fallen angel, is all an amalgamation of mistranslations of the Old Testament.
This video explains it very well, and I don't even know very much about the bible. It's only 15 mins so I recommend it: https://youtu.be/4-AwpkMuW4s
I wouldn't be surprised if the Lucifer and Satan were two different characters in the HH world, and I've even heard from other threads that Lucifer and Lillith are incestous siblings who are the children of Satan or something, so creative liberties are sure to be abound.
Thicc goat mommy
South Park doesnt takes it seriously; its not like Trey and Matt spent hours worldbuilding about it, its just the old fire and brimstone hell but more pleasant
South Park wasn't made by a dyke.
Based DwDtG reference
Why does it bother you so much?
Where is it, Viv?
Yeah Viv where the hell is it. I need more canon Alastor material to whack it to.
your opinion is kind of sus anon ngl
Worst pilot ever, at least I could follow the story of Cans Without Labels as mediocre as it was
Every character’s expression is annoying
What if Hell was... White Collar?
>Ugly AMERICANS
>in hell
Tongue my anus
Their are entire episodes set in hell. Two of the main cast are literally demons. It's not in hell but it's quite literally neighbor to it.
Ugly Americans is not in hell
It was Hell adjacent. Like you could take an escalator.
It's New York, if anything, that's worse.
Missed this shit. They shouldn't have redone the personalities for season 2 dammit.
What is the difference again?
The amount of contrariangays in this thread is fairly standard for Cinemaphile
I think it is just "Industrycuck"
Oh god frick off with the Industrycuck shit, Mollygays should stay in their containment thread
Because it's funny
Then why remark on it?
I like the adoption of the "Hell is other people" principle where they aren't literally being tortured, but rather being around all their fellow sinners is sufficient punishment itself
I honestly couldn't care less, it did give me porn of that wolf and shortstack imp from the spin off which seems to be getting a lot more episodes than this one, so I think its existence is justified
Are you a furry if you want to frick Charlie?
i want a hell with depression and violence bad, also dont forget to be quiky pixel rpg
>Sinners don't go to the Ring that corresponds to the sin they are most guilty of, they all go to Pride and cannot travel to the other ones
Gay, that's what this is.
Why are we humanizing Satan and Hell
It's called weeding out the stupid
>humanizing Satan
Didn’t Paradise Lost sorta do this?
It did
Makes me wonder if they're going to take a page out of it and sin and death are going to be Satan's kids in hazbin
I know they'll Beelzebub and already used mammon
Though i haven't heard of moloch yet
If we go further they should also be fallen angels out related to them
>Also: royalty can only be killed by angel weapons
>The only way to kill the soul of humans too
>That means that the souls of sinners and demon royalty had the same source and is made from the same matter
>while lowly hell born demons souls are made from 'lesser' material
Do hellborn demons even have a soul?
Because Hell is full of humans.
Because it looks heckin cute.
Also Christians have been writing and depicting hell in manners far removed from the standard depiction of hell since the enlightenment, and possibly even before it. Hazbin depicting hell as anything other than eternal burning in excrement, or even in a somewhat neutral light, is nothing new.
I thought Hell was always supposed to be a horrible place where bad people go to suffer. If it has been depicted as something else once, can you elaborate a bit?
According to the earliest depictions of Hell, Hell is supposed to be one big soul furnace where unpure souls (people who commit grave sins on earth) are cleaned before they can ascend to heaven. Hell is supposed to be a temporary stay, where the unpure wait for cleansing. Christians took this depiction, said "frick it", and decided that hell is an eternal, neverending punishment, where a supposedly good and completely moral god sends all people who have committed a single, grave sin on earth to burn forever in fire.
Probably? It just depends on if we'll see more of heaven and how it works in the show (which is very likely since the whole premise is about redeeming sinners so heaven stops sending angels to come a cleanse the pride ring every year). Personally, I'd really like to see Jesus be the leader of the exterminators (angels who come down to hell every year to cull the sinners). Jesus did descend into hell before ascending to be seated at the right hand of the father.
Viv stated at one point that the depictions of Heaven would allegedly focus more on the systems and hierarchies within it and far less on any actual notable biblical figures. Whether this will be true or not is another question.
>one big soul furnace where unpure souls (people who commit grave sins on earth) are cleaned before they can ascend to heaven
>a temporary stay, where the unpure wait for cleansing
Isn't this just Purgatory? Even Dante wrote about it.
>Isn't this just Purgatory? Even Dante wrote about it.
Dante was never considered a Holy Man and his fanfiction of meeting all his favorite Pagan Philosophers in "Hell-but-not-Hell" has next to zero theological basis and was entirely pulled out of his ass but the Church at the time thought it was useful enough to illustrate to the plebs how bad Hell could be they just sort of accepted it.
>"frick it", and decided that hell is an eternal, neverending punishment
isn't that also not true? I thought that all souls from hell would be brought back to life during judgement day to be judged again and to see if they've learned their lesson. If they have, they go to heaven and if not they just get deleted.
Will we see Jesus? I don't care about the gay demon stuff but seeing how they depict angels sounds more interesting
Blame Paradise Lost
It started all this
And then blame Christianity for the idea of it all
Then just blame humanity in general
why would christian mythology be off the table?
Christians spent a good portion of their history trying to stamp out and suppress any traditions or beliefs that could be construed as "mystical". Mainstream christians really hate their own mythos.
That's a vast oversimplification. Many Christians throughout history have shown a great willingness to "adapt" their own text to accommodate the assimilation of other Pagan cultures, whether it being acknowleding certain historical figures of supreme merits as saints, or incorporating as much of paganism as possible into Christianity. It's not as simple as Christian Mythos Bad
Argueably ever since the whole "hes a fallen angel" deal became a thing but I think it was gnostics who first came with the theory that Lucifer was actually a good guy since he was rebelling against the Demiurge and no the true gods.
>Why are we humanizing Satan and Hell
what do you mean? in hazbin hotel only homos and trannies are in hell, it makes sense too
Humanizing satan isn't the bad part, its media trying to make us perceive him in a positive light thats the problem. L-man is not some quirky progressive misunderstood man and was done dirty by heaven. He is a prideful narcissist frick that was jealous of us being favored by god and cause of that we live in such a miserable state as he try to make as many of us sin as possible.
>Anon wake up, its over....
It's not over until we're married and have at least 4 children together
oh my god there's furries in heaven?! I KNEW I SHOULD'VE BEEN A BUDDHIST
Being surrounded by a bunch of cute anthro angel girls doesn't sound bad at all.
Somewhat
Yes senpai, there is a based part of this israeli afterlife made by a woman that makes 6 million more dollars than the animator of Murdoch Murdoch Murdoch Chan
Le quirky hell of hazbin hotel is unironically just as biblically canon as all the enlightenment era depictions of hell that normies on the street think hell is.
How would you make this show child-friendly, Cinemaphile?
>give alastor a cajun accent, and have him be not-a-cannibal-but-plays-along-with-it-to-keep-up-the-reputation
>make charlie straight
>delete vaggie
>make angel dust a woman
>Le
Frick off reddit.
Frick quirky Hell and hipsters demons. When was the last time we had cool depictions of God and Heaven, beside Smiling Friends?
>3 years since show and besides a bunch of Instagram shit and a couple snippits of recolored characters, nothing
>general on /trash/ reduced to Discordhomosexualry and shitposting any newbies
>threads on Cinemaphile ceased after 6 months including /misc/gay and 4Charlie poster
>Helluva Boss gets 7 episodes and its season finale cannot air due to old drama with the blue furry b***h Viv was known to steal as early as 2014
Soldierchads, stay winning.
Rick May is still dead and your braindead training wheels class has baked in aim-assist. Cope.
I will never consneed until the war is won.
Overwatch is better anyways
Why does fan art of human Alastor make him look like some twink? Guess fan girls are gonna fan girl
>Vivzie drawing a male bodytype that isn't that
Let's be real, it's not the fanartists fault
He already is a cute man with twinkish proportions in the afterlife, so why not?
Because he is.
What if… Viv was competent?
Rape Collin
>Gays, lesbians, bi, bawds and prostitutes are all suffering in hell.
What did Viv meant by this?
GOD, i want to frick stolas so bad
pastel satanism
i more interested in the show portray of heavens.
If the show is willing to make hell a furry show i wonder if we can finally have some interesting portray of angels as non humanoids but the weird shit we see in the bible.
also please dont make heavens the EVIL ELITE, but a legit good place to live
What if Op was able to communicate only in memes?