Someone explain it in dumb for me.
Medieval european fantasy is best because it looke like miedieval europe whereas indian fantasy would be centred around mudhuts or something?
there's a huge amount of people who think fantasy is specifically about castles and dragons and wizards. since they're not creative, they think making a fantasy story about a different culture would be impossible without adding castles, dragons, and wizards, which i think is what that anon is trying to say
Someone explain it in dumb for me.
Medieval european fantasy is best because it looke like miedieval europe whereas indian fantasy would be centred around mudhuts or something?
Anon is in that picture is moronic. We have fricking Asura's Wrath that is influenced by Indian culture and that game is kino fantasy.
nah this stuff is just as uninspired as tolkien and wuxia fantasy
there needs to be a certain level of distance between what the fantasy worlds are based on and the world itself. otherwise its just kind of lazy
a good example imo would be Zelda. although it has roots in European fantasy, it's world has grown far past it's roots
I love how Americans view "Fantasy" as a genre as nothing more than a list of aesthetic choices. Do you think the Chinese see wuxia, which is a rendering of their culture and history into a mythical and magical lens, see it as "uninspired"?
Same with how Bongs see "Tolkien fantasy".
If you’re creating a fantasy world that’s nothing but our world with elves instead of Asians, and swap around historical events, then guess what? Your world building is shit.
But fantasy isn't a "new world." Do you think Bongs see the Shire as some incredible feat of worldbuilding? No, it's just a fantastical version of the countryside.
>there needs to be a certain level of distance between what the fantasy worlds are based on and the world itself
Why? It used to be that people wholeheartedly believed in that sort of thing, that the real world was magical in just such a way especially in old mythology.
I love how Americans view "Fantasy" as a genre as nothing more than a list of aesthetic choices. Do you think the Chinese see wuxia, which is a rendering of their culture and history into a mythical and magical lens, see it as "uninspired"?
Same with how Bongs see "Tolkien fantasy".
Fantasy is an attempt to render the world of a people's past "in reality."
I don't like Tolkien either, I just didn't add him because it's not Cinemaphile. For once I would like to see media that takes place in a different culture but doesn't shoehorn magic or fantasy elements because they don't know how else to make it interesting. More stuff like picrel
>>you can’t do anything with fantasy other than Tolkien cause uhhh..
Because then the likelihood of non-whites showing up increases exponentially and a lot of anons don't like that.
>Post 4 examples >One is a from an almost 20 years show >Another is from a show that hasn't even premiered yet
Don't care if this is bait or not, OP is both moronic and a homosexual.
>Imago
The fact this series was poorly or even promoted to the point most dont even know it exists or when is the next episode happening is saddening. Its as if they deliberately wanted it to fall into obscurity.
People like things that are familiar. It's why most fantasy stories, despite having no creative limits, still centers itself around easily recognizable designs and tropes
Also it is easier to rip off an "exotic" reallife culture than invent a new one from scratch
Avatar wasn't >insert culture here but fantasy
It used different asian aesthetics as window dressing. Nothing would have changed if you changed it to Aztec window dressing.
fantasy means anything your mind can come up with but for gays like op of fricking course he thinks it means elves dwarfs wizards castles and dragons
sci fi can be literally anything any new alien race to join or hurt humanity but not fantasy it has to remain this putrid western trash or else basedboys will seethe i fricking hate you tolkien cucks
words cannot describe how much tolkien has ruined this genre before him the brothers grim was about talking puppets and talking animals coexisting with human or even a house made out of candy but not anymore now it has to been dragon age or the witcher or world of warcraft fantasycels need to touch grass or actually go to europe
We need more fantasy that's not hacked to shit and envisioned by brain-dead Californian political activists who had their last burst of imagination in the second grade.
It wouldn't really be any better if it weren't woked up. People are just creatively braindead, ruined by over a decade of marvel movies polluting pop culture discourse and spreading cancerous tropes and memes into all fiction.
These people are beyond saving. Even when you give them classic material to adapt they frick it up because they feel like they have to "update" it to modern standards or else are so egotistical they think they have to put their personal stamp on it or nobody will recognize their brilliance.
Whine more. Don't blame frikken superhero tripe for animation dryspells. There are so many great shows that don't get green-lit because of corporate dullards
Non european inspired fantasy is cooler, even Tolkien lowkey knew that. He tried to mix different things to create an outerwordly feeling (not an european feeling). It was people inspired by him that didn't get that idea who started the lame middle ages trend.
Godbless people are finally trying to do at least a little different of that
you basically want a history cartoon. Which I understand. People are so desperate for one that these became popular despite literally being a bunch of sqaures and a couple of wojaks.
The fact no major company wants to do it despite like 95% of the writing being already done in primary and secondary sources baffles me.
I genuinely prefer this over them trying to make Fantasy Europe have the racial demographics of Los Angeles and nuking the verisimilitude of the setting from orbit.
Sometimes the end result is horrible (see Raya) and sometimes it's amazing (see Avatar), but at least it's something new and believable instead of the same shoehorned shit we keep seeing over and over and over.
To further this discussion, what would you guys like to see out of an Indian, Arabic, African, Eastern European, Native American, Chinese style of fantasy?
I really couldn't care, as long as it's good.
It would be funny to see twittergays fall over themselves in an attempt to explain why it doesn't need to be diverse, though.
Anything that departures from the 3 main cultures which are always used (China, Europe and Japan) would be cool. Honestly a prehispanic or Inca inspired fantasy setting would be epic, but I'm biased as a mexican. Other etnic groups I think would be interesting to see a fantasy setting inspired by, are Filipino indigenous people and some other less known european etinc groups like the Sami people or the Siberian natives. Arabian fantasy also sounds nice but that's only because I've never watched anything from them.
>the Sami people or the Siberian natives
That's a good point you bring up. I hadn't considered an arctic-based setting for a fantasy story. I'm not sure how many would consider that. Similar to a desert based fantasy, though I know those exist. >prehispanic or Inca inspired fantasy
Now I'd watch that. Anything Aztec or Inca is interesting to me. I'm African myself, so like to see someone try a Fulani, Ethiopian, or even Khoisan style fantasy. >Europe
I mentioned Eastern Europe specifically, because most fantasy is based off of Tolkien which is inadvertently using very Anglocentric imagery rather than Europe as a whole
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Someone explain it in dumb for me.
Medieval european fantasy is best because it looke like miedieval europe whereas indian fantasy would be centred around mudhuts or something?
I think the anon is unironically being eurocentric. He doesn't really present any evidence beyond just saying that's fhe case.
there's a huge amount of people who think fantasy is specifically about castles and dragons and wizards. since they're not creative, they think making a fantasy story about a different culture would be impossible without adding castles, dragons, and wizards, which i think is what that anon is trying to say
Anon is in that picture is moronic. We have fricking Asura's Wrath that is influenced by Indian culture and that game is kino fantasy.
>you can't make indian fantasy because......... you just can't ok?!
moron
Meanwhile Brandon Sanderson with TWO fantasy civilizations inspired on India
That anon is moronic. Baahubali is kino of the highest order, and no amount of 13th century yoorup entry #42387287832 could compete with this.
spbp
now imagine this animated like Popeye
I'd watch the frick out of that.
>you can’t do anything with fantasy other than Tolkien cause uhhh..
>you just can’t ok!!!
nah this stuff is just as uninspired as tolkien and wuxia fantasy
there needs to be a certain level of distance between what the fantasy worlds are based on and the world itself. otherwise its just kind of lazy
a good example imo would be Zelda. although it has roots in European fantasy, it's world has grown far past it's roots
I love how Americans view "Fantasy" as a genre as nothing more than a list of aesthetic choices. Do you think the Chinese see wuxia, which is a rendering of their culture and history into a mythical and magical lens, see it as "uninspired"?
Same with how Bongs see "Tolkien fantasy".
If you’re creating a fantasy world that’s nothing but our world with elves instead of Asians, and swap around historical events, then guess what? Your world building is shit.
But fantasy isn't a "new world." Do you think Bongs see the Shire as some incredible feat of worldbuilding? No, it's just a fantastical version of the countryside.
>there needs to be a certain level of distance between what the fantasy worlds are based on and the world itself
Why? It used to be that people wholeheartedly believed in that sort of thing, that the real world was magical in just such a way especially in old mythology.
This is what I was trying to get at here
Fantasy is an attempt to render the world of a people's past "in reality."
I don't like Tolkien either, I just didn't add him because it's not Cinemaphile. For once I would like to see media that takes place in a different culture but doesn't shoehorn magic or fantasy elements because they don't know how else to make it interesting. More stuff like picrel
So watch some period drama or rom com from another country then?
Why can't I demand new and better things from western cartoons? Why is it always watch something else with you corporate bootlickers?
It’s animation why shouldn’t it get creative? Why does lacking fanciful elements make a story better?
And pray tell what exactly you hope all of your childish seething is going to do against the lack of media you like?
>>you can’t do anything with fantasy other than Tolkien cause uhhh..
Because then the likelihood of non-whites showing up increases exponentially and a lot of anons don't like that.
SPBP
Gibberish
>Post 4 examples
>One is a from an almost 20 years show
>Another is from a show that hasn't even premiered yet
Don't care if this is bait or not, OP is both moronic and a homosexual.
You want more examples? Here you go
>Imago
The fact this series was poorly or even promoted to the point most dont even know it exists or when is the next episode happening is saddening. Its as if they deliberately wanted it to fall into obscurity.
2 more?! Damn, The fools just flooding the market.
these 2 shows are good
You're right. Tolkien IS fricking garbage.
bump
People like things that are familiar. It's why most fantasy stories, despite having no creative limits, still centers itself around easily recognizable designs and tropes
Also it is easier to rip off an "exotic" reallife culture than invent a new one from scratch
Onyx Equinox was too good for this board.
It wasn't good you just want to frick the characters because you have a brown fetish. That's the only reason anyone likes the show
homosexual
Whatever, worthless coomer
Blatantly wrong. The attractive characters are a bonus.
>brown fetish
I am brown though
>accurate depictions of mesoamerican architecture
>Quetzalcoatl actually a dude
Lots of reasons to love the show
Ok that's fair
>It's a 'Americans seethe about having no culture' thread
I hate reruns
I wish to make love to Sisu the dragoness, therefore your argument is invalid
>captcha G0DS4P
I'd drink her godsap if you know what I mean
Avatar wasn't >insert culture here but fantasy
It used different asian aesthetics as window dressing. Nothing would have changed if you changed it to Aztec window dressing.
Yeah Avatar was closer to Star Wars.
fantasy means anything your mind can come up with but for gays like op of fricking course he thinks it means elves dwarfs wizards castles and dragons
sci fi can be literally anything any new alien race to join or hurt humanity but not fantasy it has to remain this putrid western trash or else basedboys will seethe i fricking hate you tolkien cucks
learn it live it love it
somebody forcing you to watch?
Oh so we should allow shit media because if you don't like it don't watch it. Frick off
words cannot describe how much tolkien has ruined this genre before him the brothers grim was about talking puppets and talking animals coexisting with human or even a house made out of candy but not anymore now it has to been dragon age or the witcher or world of warcraft fantasycels need to touch grass or actually go to europe
>fantasy
We need more sci-fi.
We need more fantasy that's not hacked to shit and envisioned by brain-dead Californian political activists who had their last burst of imagination in the second grade.
It wouldn't really be any better if it weren't woked up. People are just creatively braindead, ruined by over a decade of marvel movies polluting pop culture discourse and spreading cancerous tropes and memes into all fiction.
These people are beyond saving. Even when you give them classic material to adapt they frick it up because they feel like they have to "update" it to modern standards or else are so egotistical they think they have to put their personal stamp on it or nobody will recognize their brilliance.
We need more of this shit instead of getting nothing but shows about goblinas from commiefornia.
Whine more. Don't blame frikken superhero tripe for animation dryspells. There are so many great shows that don't get green-lit because of corporate dullards
Go jerk to DnD artbooks!
Non european inspired fantasy is cooler, even Tolkien lowkey knew that. He tried to mix different things to create an outerwordly feeling (not an european feeling). It was people inspired by him that didn't get that idea who started the lame middle ages trend.
Godbless people are finally trying to do at least a little different of that
Tolkien did not do that. The Lord of the Rings world is inspired by Anglo-Saxon culture
you basically want a history cartoon. Which I understand. People are so desperate for one that these became popular despite literally being a bunch of sqaures and a couple of wojaks.
The fact no major company wants to do it despite like 95% of the writing being already done in primary and secondary sources baffles me.
we really could use another Reign: The Conqueror
I genuinely prefer this over them trying to make Fantasy Europe have the racial demographics of Los Angeles and nuking the verisimilitude of the setting from orbit.
Sometimes the end result is horrible (see Raya) and sometimes it's amazing (see Avatar), but at least it's something new and believable instead of the same shoehorned shit we keep seeing over and over and over.
You do realize that fiction involving fantastical elements predates J. R. R. Tolkien by a few thousand years, right?
Kind of a moronic take tbh, a core element of animation is fantasy, and fantasy is a broad term.
Glad to see people turning against Tolkien.
he was right, just for the wrong reaons. Tolkien was smart enough to see America today, in the past.
Demoralization campaign to justify the inclusion of joggers in Rings of Power. Surprising to no one it failed cuz no one liked this shit.
>Tolkein is le bad because... he just is ok?!
Never change Cinemaphilemblr
To Americans Tolkien is bad because he's "unoriginal."
To Europeans Tolkien is great because he's "unoriginal."
To further this discussion, what would you guys like to see out of an Indian, Arabic, African, Eastern European, Native American, Chinese style of fantasy?
I really couldn't care, as long as it's good.
It would be funny to see twittergays fall over themselves in an attempt to explain why it doesn't need to be diverse, though.
Anything that departures from the 3 main cultures which are always used (China, Europe and Japan) would be cool. Honestly a prehispanic or Inca inspired fantasy setting would be epic, but I'm biased as a mexican. Other etnic groups I think would be interesting to see a fantasy setting inspired by, are Filipino indigenous people and some other less known european etinc groups like the Sami people or the Siberian natives. Arabian fantasy also sounds nice but that's only because I've never watched anything from them.
>the Sami people or the Siberian natives
That's a good point you bring up. I hadn't considered an arctic-based setting for a fantasy story. I'm not sure how many would consider that. Similar to a desert based fantasy, though I know those exist.
>prehispanic or Inca inspired fantasy
Now I'd watch that. Anything Aztec or Inca is interesting to me. I'm African myself, so like to see someone try a Fulani, Ethiopian, or even Khoisan style fantasy.
>Europe
I mentioned Eastern Europe specifically, because most fantasy is based off of Tolkien which is inadvertently using very Anglocentric imagery rather than Europe as a whole
And you've already watched Onyx Equinox right?
frick off b***h I liked it
That's not really the same type of show
Was the Onyx Equinox show good?