>blacked casting >moronic talentless show runners with worse than no experience >terrible writers >hobbit-tier action
It never had a chance to be good.
talentless show runners with worse than no experience
This was all I needed to realize Amazon rings would be shit. They hired people with no clout or credentials.
What's the one reason that ever happens on a big, cash rich project? Cause it's really only ever for one reason, that is, the studio hired hacks. Actual hacks. Yes men. Stooges.
This is Amazon's Lord of the Rings in the most literal sense.
Don't you know? That's the new studio meta. Established, talented directors have the clout to be able to push back against idiot ideas from producers and neo-Marxist subversion from the cretins in HR and admin. It's better to hire someone who has no power so they can push him around and he can't do anything about it, he just has to organize the shoots.
We're experiencing a repeat of the situation that happened in the 40s and 50s, when the studios had total control over the directors. Maybe, hopefully we'll get another rebellion by auteur directors and usher in another golden age of kino.
True but a director's salary is not much compared to the lead actors/actresses, the SFX budget, and the entire cost of the production is usually 50% of what's spent on marketing. I don't believe cost is a real factor, it's mostly so they have someone to order around without pushback.
with how much production is about crossing off checkmarks, i doubt the director has much of a role,
im pretty sure the director at this point is someone for fans to focus there anger to, a scapegoat
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Oh totally. I'm certain the directors in these giant corporate productions perform the most clinical definition of the role. They're there to organize the shoots, keep the departments on-task, and make sure everyone is doing their job correctly, and that's it. No creative role whatsoever. Probably doesn't even choose the shots, he just makes sure the DP and cinema photographer are getting the dailies done the way the producers want.
they do the same thing with all those positions. The only people actually doing things are the codemonkeys which are probably outsourced poos and chinks. they probably keep everything from falling apart with their in house production jsut to get it out the door and make money
THe problem is thanks to piracy, no studio will take a chance on an auteur or something that isn't tied to a preexisting franchise simply because nothing else will make money anymore.
they do the same thing with all those positions. The only people actually doing things are the codemonkeys which are probably outsourced poos and chinks. they probably keep everything from falling apart with their in house production jsut to get it out the door and make money
Yes, directing well received horror films are many, many tiers above writing a failed screenplay for a nu Star Trek film. Glad you could figure that out.
They didn't hire Jackson for a project, Jackson wanted to make a LOTR movie on his own volition and approached New Line to fund it. Completely different o.
That's a stretch. He got lucky with Fellowship and then fell off with everything else. The Hobbit movies were complete dogshit, even this will be better
I know it's cliche to say it now but New Line wanted 3 films, Jackson wanted 2. Thus, you get all the bullshit and filler. They had a practical evil orc as well, but it got scrapped. I'd probably checkout too and phone it in if the studio was just gonna frick me at every turn.
I think that's a problem of cinematography in general, when compared to literature.
Like, if you're going to make a movie about the Ilyad you have to find for the role of Helen an actress beautiful enough to make you believe that people would actually start wars for her. Same for Gladriel: there's probably no woman who could match the impression one gets reading the Silmarillion and LOTR
fallacy of sunk costs. If it's good, chuds won't admit it, even to themselves. Because that would mean they have spent so much time and effort being wrong and moronic. So they will continue being moronic about it to trick their mind it wasn't all for nothing.
So even if we ignore the black shit, we still have weak cliche dialogue and hobbit-tier action scenes. There's a very very very slim chance this could be good.
He saved the production after Guilermo Del Toro walked away 2 weeks before shooting started. Jackson took up the project out of pity. Not his fault. Fellowship had years of pre-production planning. The Hobbit turning out serviceable with a fan edit is a testament to Jackson's skill to keep a shitshow together.
he wanted to make it more like a fairy tale and the studio was having money problems
which I interpret as it was going to look nothing like Lord of the Rings
also constant script revisions that made it way longer than the single movie planned
>he wanted to make it more like a fairy tale
what does that mean?
2 years ago
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you ever seen his stuff? goofy and weird basically
2 years ago
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Yeah, about that
2 years ago
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Is that supposed to be like a fairy tale though?
2 years ago
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If I had to guess something between Hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth that would make middle earth look different and transition towards the end to what Jackson's films looked like. Idk how you do that but that's what people have said.
>Not his fault
No, it's "not completely his fault", which is different.
None pointed a gun at hackson and forced him to have Radagast as a stoner driving a bunny sled.
Why didn't he just scrap the fricking project if he knew he didn't have the time to make it right? It's not like he needed the cash and nobody was really asking for the hobbit to be made into a movie.
They've been trying to do the Hobbit since the early 90s. When Del Toro bounced after saying he was down for a half decade commitment after only 2 years in Jackson stepped up because he wanted to protect the studio and IP. Best of a bad situation? idk
>Stephen Batman (fl. 1534–1584), English translator and author >John Batman (1801–1839), one of the founders of Melbourne, Australia >Ira Coleman Batman (1862–1934), American jurist and politician >Daniel Batman (1981–2012), Australian sprinter
Open a book you stupid b***h
>i am le black elf boning a human girl >my entire character arc will be me struggling with being a black elf despite it having no bearing on the universe at all >i will never explicitly state this is what im struggling with but it will be made as apparent as possible >i will also do le marvel flip in cgi and doesn't afraid of anything >but of course i will not be as cool or as infallible as the main female character, who is actually a psychopathic b***h that's constantly enabled by everybody around her and it's heavily implied the audience should cheer her on despite having no redeeming qualities
I wouldn't really call a black elf struggling with a relationship with a human a character arc but lets be real here, he will get no development outside of that
Also having the male heroes be sidelined by some lady who's somehow better in every way as well as being weirdly entitled. Who writes it, why does it happen in every fricking show?
Outside of the video games, all portrayals of Celebrimbor, for some reason, have him look old for an Elf, even though he's less than a 1000 years old by that point in time.
It's because brainlets think a mythological smith must be like Hephaestus and old worn down and grizzled. Like the Silmarillion ocean God dude who always gets drawn as Poseidon.
Probably not if they're a part of a fantasy race known for their grace and ageless beauty. Brainlet.
2 years ago
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Anon, let's be fair here - Hugo Weaving doesn't exactly look like an ageless beauty.
In order to fairly portray Elves, you'd have to find extremely attractive people in their early 20s, ones who can act, and then CGI them to hell as soon as they start show signs of aging.
2 years ago
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Kinda like Orlando Bloom, Liv Tyler, and Cate Blanchett maybe.
2 years ago
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Or that fatty who plays the OC Elf.
2 years ago
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Hugo Weaving is perfect because he has a unique face, lets not pretend they didn't cast him because he looks "like a wise sage" with his piercing eyes and large forehead
2 years ago
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Elrond is a half elf, so it makes sense he's aged.
>Like the Silmarillion ocean God dude who always gets drawn as Poseidon
i like Lee's version, not too Poseidon-derivative (unless you count having a beard)
Is being ugly a requirement in Hollywood now? Is beauty racist now? Back in the day, even if shit sucked, Hollywood at least made sure you had some pretty faces to look at. Now there's just ugliness all around to make you frickings ick from it.
>barely any men speaking lines in the trailer or preview clips and when they do its them being moronic and not believing women
The 30 second clip on Colbert was this too lol
>i am le black elf boning a human girl >my entire character arc will be me struggling with being a black elf despite it having no bearing on the universe at all >i will never explicitly state this is what im struggling with but it will be made as apparent as possible >i will also do le marvel flip in cgi and doesn't afraid of anything >but of course i will not be as cool or as infallible as the main female character, who is actually a psychopathic b***h that's constantly enabled by everybody around her and it's heavily implied the audience should cheer her on despite having no redeeming qualities
All the men will be incompetent and evil and the only competent person will be the black elf because he's black.
i read that Tolkien absolutely despised Disney and wrote in his will that no part of his work were to be touched by Disney ,
they honored the letter of his will but not the spirit.
Even if it is, too many channels on YouTube have dedicated their grift/money to shitting on it. It's become a cottage industry.
And I mean people outside of Cinemaphile, since here /misc/tards would never give it praise, even if by some miracle it turns out to be a masterpiece.
>since here /misc/tards would never give it praise, even if by some miracle it turns out to be a masterpiece.
It can't be a masterpiece because making a masterpiece isn't what their main goal is. Their main objective is to make LOTR diverse and female and everything comes second to that including the quality of the show
So my suspicion is someone wanted to make their own version of game of thrones, as it moved up the corporate bureaucracy, someone somewhere decided that this would sell better if had the tolkien label on it,
so they bought the rights to the ip and just slapped the label on.
>What does that even mean though.
that it is a factory made product, with a story made by a committee more interested in making sure the story satisfies a set of requirements put to them by market research or some other corporate busy body than making it compelling.
>story satisfies a set of requirements put to them by market research or some other corporate busy body than making it compelling
Thats literally every show/movie
The writers were recommended to the project by J.J. Abrams, and the showrunners caring more about racial pandering than verisimilitude is not promising.
>Because they didn't completely hire a white cast = racial pandering? come on
If they're adaptating a European work based on European medieval culture and literature, yes. I would also insist on hiring African actors for an African work based on African culture and literature. The showrunners also openly said they're not hiring colored actors due to their merits or acting chops, they said it's to "balance the scales." What would you call it?
>Its not the middle ages anymore
So? When you're creating a show about Beowulf, are you going to place the events in the 21st century? What are you even trying to argue? >nor should they just pander to a white audience
This may shock you: minorities don't really care if a show is too white or not. The only ones that do are self-hating whites who just look for ways to virtue signal and be "wise" by shoving African American actors everywhere.
2 years ago
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Art gets adapted for the time its made. Its been this way throughout all of history.
>minorities don't really care if a show is too white or not
Says you? Im Indian and I think its cool
2 years ago
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You're a homosexual, and don't speak for all minorities (Latino) and I think whites being represented in their lands pertaining to time, era, or culture whether myth or not without having POCs running is an acceptable thing to have and should not be frowned upon or demanded to be changed, just like I wouldn't be seething if a movie based on Ancient China (even pertaining to their myths/fictional characters/works of fiction "Three Kingdoms") are all Asian.
2 years ago
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I think it's all make-believe and any character can be portrayed by any person.
2 years ago
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Can't wait for a Hindu Classic Hollywood film in he near future with a REAL ARYAN man of blue-eyed blonde-haired appearance playing Shiva.
2 years ago
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>I think it's all make-believe and any character can be portrayed by any person.
So you would approve of an all-black cast playing the characters in the chinese Journey to the West? Would you be okay with an all-white cast of Black Panther?
2 years ago
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No, because both are heavily rooted on Asian and Black culture respectively. Stop with stupid examples trying to get me a gotcha moment
2 years ago
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>No, because both are heavily rooted on Asian and Black culture respectively.
But why are you not singing the same tune for Lord of the Rings then? It's heavily rooted in European culture. >inb4 it's not
Then you are illiterate.
2 years ago
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>European culture
no such a thing, whites don't have culture
2 years ago
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Yes, why not?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Vete a cagar a la calle, y no te olvides de lavar las manos, perro
2 years ago
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>Im Indian
Hahahahhahahahahha the shill now admit to be a paki
It's not that they did it, it's how they did it. It's being used as outrage marketing and portrayed as this brave thing they're doing. When, y'know, it's not really a big deal, just do it right.
This. It's not that hard, whenever some interviewer tries to bring up diversity just instruct your cast or crew to say "We hired the best actors to bring the spirit of Tolkien to life", instead of what they are doing which is "Well Tolkien lived in a different world and we are opening the boundaries of Middle Earth to allow other races to finally be allowed into the fanbase". Disgusting shit
Everyone implicitly understands why Wakanda is full of black people - how come nobody asked for "representation" for whitey despite Africa having them? Everyone agrees it's a fictional world relying on black culture (other ethnicities are outsiders in the story), so why act differently here?
Blacks don't belong here for the same reason whites don't belong in Wakanda. They're fictional worlds created as celebratory myths for specific cultures, cultures created by specific ethnicities.
LotR is a European legend to the bone - you are illiterate if you don't recognize it's basically Beowulf and the Kalevala. Very pasty white people shit. Whitey shouldn't be offended for not being part of Wakanda, blacks shouldn't be offended for not being elves. They're based on norse myths, their language is based on Finnish, the books very carefully describe all of them, the most common adjectives are "fair" or "pale" or "ethereal." They're supposed to have a certain upper class arrogance and pomposity to them. White-coded traits.
In Middle Earth, there are no trains or motorized roads or airplanes or buses or nations deliberately importing other ethnicities to solve demographics declines or to atone for exploitative colonialism. Migration of races in the 21st century sense did not happen in Middle Earth. Its societies are homogenous, outsiders are shunned, elves slaughtered each other just for hailing from different families, elves even hunted dwarves like wild animals just based on minute differences in appearance or bloodlines. An Elf suddenly being black with no explanation would cause considerable tension.
Blacks existed within the races of men, only in Harad and Rhun. If you want blacks in Middle Earth, that's where they should be from.
If you read the Silmarillion or LotR, you implicitly understood the characters are white-coded. Deep down you know. Why is it racist to be honest about this?
I will admit its quality if it's good. I've made my piece with it being Americanized fanfic, yet it can still be good. But what I've seen of it so far does not indicate that so I'm skeptical. There are too many red flags indicative of products that don't primarily care about story, they use story as a vehicle for their own ideas.
Jackson said he won't use Tolkien's work as a vehicle for his own personal themes and ideas, he just wanted to honor the work. I rate his movies lower than most people, but I respect that attitude. Amazon's attitude of "Tolkien's world needs modernization" does not point towards them wanting to respect the work, and that worries me.
Also Amazon shows often end up having a particular sort of blandness and sterility to them that I dislike. Wheel of Time had this issue. I hope Rings of Power avoids this problem.
Sure Anon, out of the last thousand cash grab tie-ins to milk a franchise, THIS will be THE ONE good one. It's overdue, right? Why learn from experience? Who needs original ideas when you can just pay for more remakes and spin-offs?
And it doesn't have to be actually good, just a literal 5/10 like Prey to get called a triumph and masterpiece. It's like how when the smooth brains see a scene from the Silmarillion on a trailer they immediately assume its going to be a faithful, excellent show just because they did the bare minimum of showing stuff they recognize.
He wanted a Sauron vs Aragorn fight in RotK as well, thats what the assault troll is. But clearer heads prevailed and it wasn't a super shitshow like the amazon series will be.
It cannot be good, it's impossible. Tolkien's works are spiritual, theist, conservative, traditional, provincial, rooted in Christian belief, mythic and archetypal. The people making the show are ideologues who believe all art must be propaganda. How are these materialist, anti-Christian, globalist, radical deconstructists going to adapt anything Tolkien? How could that ever work. All you will get is a pile of anti-Tolkien with "Lord of the Rings" stamped on it.
>Amazon shills will insist that you shouldn't be offended by anti-white crap because it's just fiction anyway >but will then tell you it's extremely important and has to be done to ensure inclusivity and tolerance and diversity
But you told me this is just fiction? How does it impact real life? Will you come clean?
It's bad enough that even those who never read the books or played the games feel something's off. It's even worse for those that know the source material, the show has distanced itself so far from source material that it can hardly be called an adaptation. Yennefer stole other character arcs but then ended up not acting like Yennfer, Eskel got turned into an butthole and was killed, Ciri actress got bogged etc.
The last good thing with so many Black folk was like Blade amd I don't like to pretend Jordan Peele movies are groundbreaking.Also Amazon Productions.Sounds like a shit salad
Impossible. It's being made by Amazon.
They want it to appeal to a "giant, global audience"
The showrunners describe it as "mega-epic".
These people don't understand Lord of the Rings and would fight against it if they did.
>Perhaps Weber’s biggest revelation about the Orcs in “The Rings of Power” is that viewers will get to see female Orcs for the first time. The executive producer would not disclose much information but said, “There’s some female Orcs that I truly loved.”
I wouldn't know. I won't watch it.
What you meant to say, newbie, is
>I don’t know I don’t watch shit
FIRST POST BEST FRICKING POST.
>blacked casting
>moronic talentless show runners with worse than no experience
>terrible writers
>hobbit-tier action
It never had a chance to be good.
talentless show runners with worse than no experience
This was all I needed to realize Amazon rings would be shit. They hired people with no clout or credentials.
What's the one reason that ever happens on a big, cash rich project? Cause it's really only ever for one reason, that is, the studio hired hacks. Actual hacks. Yes men. Stooges.
This is Amazon's Lord of the Rings in the most literal sense.
Don't you know? That's the new studio meta. Established, talented directors have the clout to be able to push back against idiot ideas from producers and neo-Marxist subversion from the cretins in HR and admin. It's better to hire someone who has no power so they can push him around and he can't do anything about it, he just has to organize the shoots.
We're experiencing a repeat of the situation that happened in the 40s and 50s, when the studios had total control over the directors. Maybe, hopefully we'll get another rebellion by auteur directors and usher in another golden age of kino.
also people with no experience are cheaper on top of doing everything you tell them to
True but a director's salary is not much compared to the lead actors/actresses, the SFX budget, and the entire cost of the production is usually 50% of what's spent on marketing. I don't believe cost is a real factor, it's mostly so they have someone to order around without pushback.
with how much production is about crossing off checkmarks, i doubt the director has much of a role,
im pretty sure the director at this point is someone for fans to focus there anger to, a scapegoat
Oh totally. I'm certain the directors in these giant corporate productions perform the most clinical definition of the role. They're there to organize the shoots, keep the departments on-task, and make sure everyone is doing their job correctly, and that's it. No creative role whatsoever. Probably doesn't even choose the shots, he just makes sure the DP and cinema photographer are getting the dailies done the way the producers want.
they do the same thing with all those positions. The only people actually doing things are the codemonkeys which are probably outsourced poos and chinks. they probably keep everything from falling apart with their in house production jsut to get it out the door and make money
THe problem is thanks to piracy, no studio will take a chance on an auteur or something that isn't tied to a preexisting franchise simply because nothing else will make money anymore.
>strange femoid as lead action hero
By far the worst sin
You mean like hiring Peter Jackson, a director whose only work were B-tier gore horror flicks?
Yes, directing well received horror films are many, many tiers above writing a failed screenplay for a nu Star Trek film. Glad you could figure that out.
>well received
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/jack-brown-genius
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dead_alive
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/mortal_engines
They didn't hire Jackson for a project, Jackson wanted to make a LOTR movie on his own volition and approached New Line to fund it. Completely different o.
Jackson cared about the source material. This is not the same.
That's a stretch. He got lucky with Fellowship and then fell off with everything else. The Hobbit movies were complete dogshit, even this will be better
I know it's cliche to say it now but New Line wanted 3 films, Jackson wanted 2. Thus, you get all the bullshit and filler. They had a practical evil orc as well, but it got scrapped. I'd probably checkout too and phone it in if the studio was just gonna frick me at every turn.
you're telling me Feanor went into a moron meltdown because he didn't get a strand of THAT mess
I think that's a problem of cinematography in general, when compared to literature.
Like, if you're going to make a movie about the Ilyad you have to find for the role of Helen an actress beautiful enough to make you believe that people would actually start wars for her. Same for Gladriel: there's probably no woman who could match the impression one gets reading the Silmarillion and LOTR
fallacy of sunk costs. If it's good, chuds won't admit it, even to themselves. Because that would mean they have spent so much time and effort being wrong and moronic. So they will continue being moronic about it to trick their mind it wasn't all for nothing.
It won't be good. It will be kino
GOOD MORNING SIRS
there is a clip from that scene in OP and it looks very good cinematographically speaking.
From what I saw Morfydd is a good actress, not just eye candy.
You mean not eye candy at all. That's a painfully average looking woman.
I'd say below, honestly.
Eh, she's eye wheat cracker if anything. Sure, it's food but meh.
Womanlet slag. Shameful casting and more shameful simps.
Why he cannot touch booba
I am sad
She considered it cheating if other guys touch her IIRC
hahaha, she looks exactly like some cashier from walmart
I doubt the writing will be consistently good. And then the Bezos homosexual will can it after season 2.
So even if we ignore the black shit, we still have weak cliche dialogue and hobbit-tier action scenes. There's a very very very slim chance this could be good.
They wanted Jackson involved in the production but just his name not any kind of actual help. When he asked to see the script they ghosted him.
Jackson's name is ruined after the hobbit disaster.
He saved the production after Guilermo Del Toro walked away 2 weeks before shooting started. Jackson took up the project out of pity. Not his fault. Fellowship had years of pre-production planning. The Hobbit turning out serviceable with a fan edit is a testament to Jackson's skill to keep a shitshow together.
i didn't del toro was going to do it why he leave?
production was delayed by NZ unions trying to negotiate to the point where del toro had to leave for other commitments
he wanted to make it more like a fairy tale and the studio was having money problems
which I interpret as it was going to look nothing like Lord of the Rings
also constant script revisions that made it way longer than the single movie planned
>he wanted to make it more like a fairy tale
what does that mean?
you ever seen his stuff? goofy and weird basically
Yeah, about that
Is that supposed to be like a fairy tale though?
If I had to guess something between Hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth that would make middle earth look different and transition towards the end to what Jackson's films looked like. Idk how you do that but that's what people have said.
>he wanted to make it more like a fairy tale
but wasn't the hobbit like a fairy tale?
obviously not the one he was imagining
maybe he wanted something more whimsical and cornier
like the cartoon?
possibly but Jackson and a bunch of people from LotR were still consulting so idk if buy that
>Not his fault
No, it's "not completely his fault", which is different.
None pointed a gun at hackson and forced him to have Radagast as a stoner driving a bunny sled.
>None pointed a gun at hackson
you dont know that
Production aged Jackson 10 years. Del Toro is a parasite.
Those films were pure trash and missed the point entirely. Buuut I'm curious about the edit. Can I get it on a torrent site?
there's multiple edits you can search I think the one that was popular 5 years or so ago was the maple edit
Why didn't he just scrap the fricking project if he knew he didn't have the time to make it right? It's not like he needed the cash and nobody was really asking for the hobbit to be made into a movie.
They've been trying to do the Hobbit since the early 90s. When Del Toro bounced after saying he was down for a half decade commitment after only 2 years in Jackson stepped up because he wanted to protect the studio and IP. Best of a bad situation? idk
>Stephen Batman (fl. 1534–1584), English translator and author
>John Batman (1801–1839), one of the founders of Melbourne, Australia
>Ira Coleman Batman (1862–1934), American jurist and politician
>Daniel Batman (1981–2012), Australian sprinter
Open a book you stupid b***h
Del Toro's name is ruined, you mean. If he had actually directed it it would have been far worse than what we got.
Eh, there is maybe 10% chance.
from what im told its someone wanting to do game of thrones but just using the tolkien ip to do it.
>i am le black elf boning a human girl
>my entire character arc will be me struggling with being a black elf despite it having no bearing on the universe at all
>i will never explicitly state this is what im struggling with but it will be made as apparent as possible
>i will also do le marvel flip in cgi and doesn't afraid of anything
>but of course i will not be as cool or as infallible as the main female character, who is actually a psychopathic b***h that's constantly enabled by everybody around her and it's heavily implied the audience should cheer her on despite having no redeeming qualities
he kind of looks like lister from red dwarf.
Season 1 shouldn't have any arcs beside Galadriel's
I wouldn't really call a black elf struggling with a relationship with a human a character arc but lets be real here, he will get no development outside of that
This. Why does this happen?
Also having the male heroes be sidelined by some lady who's somehow better in every way as well as being weirdly entitled. Who writes it, why does it happen in every fricking show?
it's fine in fantasy I don't need to see women getting their asses kicked like in real life
but it doesn't hurt to see them fail or at least struggle to reach a goal.
I mean yeah it's rarely done properly
>it's fine in fantasy
Fantasy is about vividly incorporating symbolism, not making up bullshit.
fantasy is exactly about making up bullshit
>reddit
That's not the issue, it's so common it's a trope now. And it's never good viewing.
>elves using torches when they have perfect nightvision
yeah it won't
Maybe all the shown footage/pictures are mislead and they are just hiding the good stuff.
That door is actually not bad. Love the squareness and small height of it. Feels very 90s fantasy.
Feels like an EverQuest door.
It's Amazon. It's guaranteed to be good. See terminal list, Yellowstone, The Boys, etc
my guess is that 30-40% of each episode will be quality
>what if it is actually good?
lol
lmao
Celebrimbor and Elrond look like shit, srly the casting director should be shot on the spot
Outside of the video games, all portrayals of Celebrimbor, for some reason, have him look old for an Elf, even though he's less than a 1000 years old by that point in time.
It's because brainlets think a mythological smith must be like Hephaestus and old worn down and grizzled. Like the Silmarillion ocean God dude who always gets drawn as Poseidon.
>It's because brainlets think a mythological smith must be like Hephaestus
they should
Probably not if they're a part of a fantasy race known for their grace and ageless beauty. Brainlet.
Anon, let's be fair here - Hugo Weaving doesn't exactly look like an ageless beauty.
In order to fairly portray Elves, you'd have to find extremely attractive people in their early 20s, ones who can act, and then CGI them to hell as soon as they start show signs of aging.
Kinda like Orlando Bloom, Liv Tyler, and Cate Blanchett maybe.
Or that fatty who plays the OC Elf.
Hugo Weaving is perfect because he has a unique face, lets not pretend they didn't cast him because he looks "like a wise sage" with his piercing eyes and large forehead
Elrond is a half elf, so it makes sense he's aged.
I always imagined Tulkas looking like Hulk Hogan
>Like the Silmarillion ocean God dude who always gets drawn as Poseidon
i like Lee's version, not too Poseidon-derivative (unless you count having a beard)
That at least looks LotR related because of the helmet, unlike this
I weep.
so many Black folk
Where is the main character? Everybody in that look like a minor supporting characters.
WHY IS EVERYONE SO FRICKING UGLY
>how much cringe can we fit in 35 seconds?
>there might be big folk here
>ive never been across the water before, there could be big folk anywhere
Is being ugly a requirement in Hollywood now? Is beauty racist now? Back in the day, even if shit sucked, Hollywood at least made sure you had some pretty faces to look at. Now there's just ugliness all around to make you frickings ick from it.
they all look like larpers
>barely any men speaking lines in the trailer or preview clips and when they do its them being moronic and not believing women
The 30 second clip on Colbert was this too lol
All the men will be incompetent and evil and the only competent person will be the black elf because he's black.
i read that Tolkien absolutely despised Disney and wrote in his will that no part of his work were to be touched by Disney ,
they honored the letter of his will but not the spirit.
Even if it is, too many channels on YouTube have dedicated their grift/money to shitting on it. It's become a cottage industry.
And I mean people outside of Cinemaphile, since here /misc/tards would never give it praise, even if by some miracle it turns out to be a masterpiece.
>since here /misc/tards would never give it praise, even if by some miracle it turns out to be a masterpiece.
It can't be a masterpiece because making a masterpiece isn't what their main goal is. Their main objective is to make LOTR diverse and female and everything comes second to that including the quality of the show
>Their main objective is to make LOTR diverse
their main objective is to make money.
You are absolutely naive if you think money is the only factor. These people have an ideology they must act out.
There’s no way it’s good.
>fanfiction
>good
pick one
you know i have a vr set and i have alyx, i just never felt compelled to play it
I'm not watching a Tolkien show with Black folk.
So my suspicion is someone wanted to make their own version of game of thrones, as it moved up the corporate bureaucracy, someone somewhere decided that this would sell better if had the tolkien label on it,
so they bought the rights to the ip and just slapped the label on.
Amazon don't miss. Terminal List was incredible and this will be too.
>Terminal List was incredible
Decent material + Pratt + Fuqua. This doesn't have any of that and Reacher was pure shit as well.
Your unpaid pee break is over, valued Amazon employee.
Get back in your cage, wagie.
>What if
let me stop you right there
I know, but it’s just that I will not watch it…I know, I know, I’m sorry, it’s just that I won’t watch it.
>pointy-eared elves
FRICKYOUFRICKYOUFRICKYOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For what reasons would it not be good? Seems like only racists dont like it
I have doubts in the ability of the writing room of this show to deliver anything compelling.
At worst it will just be another GoT
that's the BEST case scenario, it's actually going to be worse than GoT because it doesn't have books to plagiarize
>For what reasons would it not be good?
it seems very checkmarky,
What does that even mean though. Thats incredibly vague
>What does that even mean though.
that it is a factory made product, with a story made by a committee more interested in making sure the story satisfies a set of requirements put to them by market research or some other corporate busy body than making it compelling.
>story satisfies a set of requirements put to them by market research or some other corporate busy body than making it compelling
Thats literally every show/movie
The writers were recommended to the project by J.J. Abrams, and the showrunners caring more about racial pandering than verisimilitude is not promising.
>The writers were recommended to the project by J.J. Abrams
Probably right there
>the showrunners caring more about racial pandering
Because they didn't completely hire a white cast = racial pandering? come on
>Because they didn't completely hire a white cast = racial pandering? come on
If they're adaptating a European work based on European medieval culture and literature, yes. I would also insist on hiring African actors for an African work based on African culture and literature. The showrunners also openly said they're not hiring colored actors due to their merits or acting chops, they said it's to "balance the scales." What would you call it?
Its not the middle ages anymore nor should they just pander to a white audience
>Its not the middle ages anymore
So? When you're creating a show about Beowulf, are you going to place the events in the 21st century? What are you even trying to argue?
>nor should they just pander to a white audience
This may shock you: minorities don't really care if a show is too white or not. The only ones that do are self-hating whites who just look for ways to virtue signal and be "wise" by shoving African American actors everywhere.
Art gets adapted for the time its made. Its been this way throughout all of history.
>minorities don't really care if a show is too white or not
Says you? Im Indian and I think its cool
You're a homosexual, and don't speak for all minorities (Latino) and I think whites being represented in their lands pertaining to time, era, or culture whether myth or not without having POCs running is an acceptable thing to have and should not be frowned upon or demanded to be changed, just like I wouldn't be seething if a movie based on Ancient China (even pertaining to their myths/fictional characters/works of fiction "Three Kingdoms") are all Asian.
I think it's all make-believe and any character can be portrayed by any person.
Can't wait for a Hindu Classic Hollywood film in he near future with a REAL ARYAN man of blue-eyed blonde-haired appearance playing Shiva.
>I think it's all make-believe and any character can be portrayed by any person.
So you would approve of an all-black cast playing the characters in the chinese Journey to the West? Would you be okay with an all-white cast of Black Panther?
No, because both are heavily rooted on Asian and Black culture respectively. Stop with stupid examples trying to get me a gotcha moment
>No, because both are heavily rooted on Asian and Black culture respectively.
But why are you not singing the same tune for Lord of the Rings then? It's heavily rooted in European culture.
>inb4 it's not
Then you are illiterate.
>European culture
no such a thing, whites don't have culture
Yes, why not?
Vete a cagar a la calle, y no te olvides de lavar las manos, perro
>Im Indian
Hahahahhahahahahha the shill now admit to be a paki
Wakanda is not the middle ages anymore nor should they just pander to black audience
It's not that they did it, it's how they did it. It's being used as outrage marketing and portrayed as this brave thing they're doing. When, y'know, it's not really a big deal, just do it right.
This. It's not that hard, whenever some interviewer tries to bring up diversity just instruct your cast or crew to say "We hired the best actors to bring the spirit of Tolkien to life", instead of what they are doing which is "Well Tolkien lived in a different world and we are opening the boundaries of Middle Earth to allow other races to finally be allowed into the fanbase". Disgusting shit
Black elves don't exist in Middle Earth.
Everyone implicitly understands why Wakanda is full of black people - how come nobody asked for "representation" for whitey despite Africa having them? Everyone agrees it's a fictional world relying on black culture (other ethnicities are outsiders in the story), so why act differently here?
Blacks don't belong here for the same reason whites don't belong in Wakanda. They're fictional worlds created as celebratory myths for specific cultures, cultures created by specific ethnicities.
LotR is a European legend to the bone - you are illiterate if you don't recognize it's basically Beowulf and the Kalevala. Very pasty white people shit. Whitey shouldn't be offended for not being part of Wakanda, blacks shouldn't be offended for not being elves. They're based on norse myths, their language is based on Finnish, the books very carefully describe all of them, the most common adjectives are "fair" or "pale" or "ethereal." They're supposed to have a certain upper class arrogance and pomposity to them. White-coded traits.
In Middle Earth, there are no trains or motorized roads or airplanes or buses or nations deliberately importing other ethnicities to solve demographics declines or to atone for exploitative colonialism. Migration of races in the 21st century sense did not happen in Middle Earth. Its societies are homogenous, outsiders are shunned, elves slaughtered each other just for hailing from different families, elves even hunted dwarves like wild animals just based on minute differences in appearance or bloodlines. An Elf suddenly being black with no explanation would cause considerable tension.
Blacks existed within the races of men, only in Harad and Rhun. If you want blacks in Middle Earth, that's where they should be from.
If you read the Silmarillion or LotR, you implicitly understood the characters are white-coded. Deep down you know. Why is it racist to be honest about this?
Their logic is inconsistent on purpose. The point is demoralization.
That's funny, because anti-racism seems to be incompatible with quality.
I will admit its quality if it's good. I've made my piece with it being Americanized fanfic, yet it can still be good. But what I've seen of it so far does not indicate that so I'm skeptical. There are too many red flags indicative of products that don't primarily care about story, they use story as a vehicle for their own ideas.
Jackson said he won't use Tolkien's work as a vehicle for his own personal themes and ideas, he just wanted to honor the work. I rate his movies lower than most people, but I respect that attitude. Amazon's attitude of "Tolkien's world needs modernization" does not point towards them wanting to respect the work, and that worries me.
Also Amazon shows often end up having a particular sort of blandness and sterility to them that I dislike. Wheel of Time had this issue. I hope Rings of Power avoids this problem.
>What if it is actually good
if my grandmother had testicles, she'd be my grandfather
Sure Anon, out of the last thousand cash grab tie-ins to milk a franchise, THIS will be THE ONE good one. It's overdue, right? Why learn from experience? Who needs original ideas when you can just pay for more remakes and spin-offs?
And it doesn't have to be actually good, just a literal 5/10 like Prey to get called a triumph and masterpiece. It's like how when the smooth brains see a scene from the Silmarillion on a trailer they immediately assume its going to be a faithful, excellent show just because they did the bare minimum of showing stuff they recognize.
I mean if they wanted diversity fantasy couldn't they just written bethesda a check for less?
Has to be a brand that viewers recognize, or nobody will watch.
people regonize tes because of skyrim
I'm not gonna watch it because I highly doubt it will be good. slim chance I'll change my mind
>hackson cared about the source material!
He wanted a Sauron vs Aragorn fight in RotK as well, thats what the assault troll is. But clearer heads prevailed and it wasn't a super shitshow like the amazon series will be.
Then I'll be pleasantly surprised, but everything we've seen so far basically guarantees this won't happen
How much money has amazon put into shilling thisI'm guessing way more than the production budget
Lots. I note that it's all negative press too. Which might generate more chat than positive press. So many productions do it.
>negative press too. Which might generate more chat than positive press
>all those chud YTBers are doing amazon work for free fighting the "MESSAGE"
ironic how they dig their own grave
Why would an elf, especially her, need to carry a torch? I thought they could see in the dark, no?
Tell me one tv series/movie where blacks replaced white roles and it was good. I'll wait.
I haven't watched the witcher due to Black folk
I am not going to watch this because of Black folk
Morf
It cannot be good, it's impossible. Tolkien's works are spiritual, theist, conservative, traditional, provincial, rooted in Christian belief, mythic and archetypal. The people making the show are ideologues who believe all art must be propaganda. How are these materialist, anti-Christian, globalist, radical deconstructists going to adapt anything Tolkien? How could that ever work. All you will get is a pile of anti-Tolkien with "Lord of the Rings" stamped on it.
I dont know OP. Im sure it wont be bad... but it will be as good as the movies? No chance
>Amazon shills will insist that you shouldn't be offended by anti-white crap because it's just fiction anyway
>but will then tell you it's extremely important and has to be done to ensure inclusivity and tolerance and diversity
But you told me this is just fiction? How does it impact real life? Will you come clean?
Nice fantasy scenario you conjured up in your head. Keep seething.
>fantasy scenario
?
>What if it is actually good?
It will ne like the witcher.
Part of tv will love it despite the balckwad
Shing and part of tv will hate it
Even reddit turned against the Netflixcher though.
Was S2 that bad? Havent watch it
It's bad enough that even those who never read the books or played the games feel something's off. It's even worse for those that know the source material, the show has distanced itself so far from source material that it can hardly be called an adaptation. Yennefer stole other character arcs but then ended up not acting like Yennfer, Eskel got turned into an butthole and was killed, Ciri actress got bogged etc.
The last good thing with so many Black folk was like Blade amd I don't like to pretend Jordan Peele movies are groundbreaking.Also Amazon Productions.Sounds like a shit salad
Dear marketeers, are you paying in rupees or kitkats?
>black hispanic on the white chocolate
They fricking hate us lol
so what happened to all the black elves, hobbits and dwarves between the second age and the late third age?
nothing, amazon will remake the lotr triology as well.
Impossible. It's being made by Amazon.
They want it to appeal to a "giant, global audience"
The showrunners describe it as "mega-epic".
These people don't understand Lord of the Rings and would fight against it if they did.
>Perhaps Weber’s biggest revelation about the Orcs in “The Rings of Power” is that viewers will get to see female Orcs for the first time. The executive producer would not disclose much information but said, “There’s some female Orcs that I truly loved.”