>what if the justice league was complicit in the rape and murder of their friend

>what if the justice league was complicit in the rape and murder of their friend
Why does the 90s have a reputation of being edgy, but the 2000s, which was way worse, doesn't?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That wasn't edgy.
    That was shitty and evil but handwaived.

    The 00's is the start of the corrupted and cynical years that still haven't stopped yet.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The 00s was where the actual edge was. 90s comics were aping the action blockbusters of their time.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      THIS.
      >Hear that 90s comics are over the top edgy
      >Read some
      >They're just '80s action movies with capes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The edge began the moment Death and Return began and ended in late 1992 and all the way til 1993.
      It was worldwide since all of the 90's edgelord stuff was concentrated during this period in comics and anime/manga
      one anon posted all of this on the death of superman thread

      [...]

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is the center of focus Superman's crotch?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >story about rape puts heavy focus on the male genitalia
      Makes sense to me.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Male victims of sexual assault at the hands of women and men who wish they were women that developed fricked up sexual coping mechanisms aind body dysmorphia got real fricking quiet.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They weren't complicit in either of those things tho.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OP is a homosexual

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>what if the justice league was complicit in the rape and murder of their friend
    Anti-edge gays once again proving they don't read the shit they post about.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >edgelords simping for IDENTITY CRISIS of all fricking things
      OH NO NO NO

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well its more about how that's not how the story went.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh. Fair enough.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Edgelord here. Identity Crisis is garbage.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the 90s have a reputation of being edgy, but the 2000s, which was way worse, doesn't?
    wut

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the 90s have a reputation of being edgy, but the 2000s, which was way worse, doesn't.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Objectively not true, though

        >What is Image Comics

        EXTREME is what it was

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nah it is true

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone gen x reader and older millennial mis remembered the 90's for being edgy over stuff like Paralax and Death of Superman. They fail the realize that it was mostly just excessive commercialism.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, maybe it's just the post-2000 comics being so bad they make 0s comics feel more level-headed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Evil.
      Ernie.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Was not the norm, and it and others like it were based on the metal music of its time.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah bro.
          It kinda was.
          Unless you forgot fricking carnage.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What is Image Comics

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The shit you'd see there is the same type of shit you'd see in RoboCop and Demolition Man. They weren't edgefests like tons of comics were in the 00s.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Except there they looked good, where it looked ugly as shit in Image.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The 90s and 2000s were different kinds of edgy. There are some commonalities: people wearing a lot of leather, the color black, trench coats, pop punk and nu metal, melodramatic monologues, unnecessary swearing, and of course the unholy trinity: sex, drugs, and excessive violence.
    But there's a lot of differences.
    I feel like the biggest difference is that the 90s were all about being over the top, and they embraced that; whereas the 2000s were obsessed with being "grounded and realistic" but hadn't lost the love for over-the-top things which resulted in an odd hybrid.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      2000s edge is a different kind of edge from 90s, because it's the kind that comes from trying to be too serious. 90s edge may take itself seriously but it's not trying to be serious like 2000s edge is.
      hence all the rape, hence why the gore is more graphic, hence the "grounded and realistic" design approach.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >90s edge may take itself seriously but it's not trying to be serious
        You assume that.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are you talking about, most of the people on this board hate Didio and are glad he got fired and only wish it could have happened much sooner

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's SO much fricking worse that all that.
    >Superman specifically tunes out anything wrong the Leaguers could be doing because he doesn't want to hear it
    >Batman being an butthole to everyone and build Brother Eye and the Tower of Babel shit is because he subconsciously knows that the League is willing to mindrape people
    >The League let Dr. Light fight their sidekicks, even though he could literally go back to being League-tier if you bonk him on the head
    >No one fricking bothered to check the phone lines and see who called into the house

    It was literally a hit piece so they could break up the League to show "how bad things had gotten" in time of Infinite Crisis

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >to show "how bad things had gotten"
      Huge flex from DilDio, to just show off how shit he was willing to make things.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Identity crisis was overshadowed by infinite crisis, but a lot of people complained about the rape and doctor light retcon.

      >>The League let Dr. Light fight their sidekicks, even though he could literally go back to being League-tier if you bonk him on the head
      This retcon cannot be understated

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Batman being an butthole to everyone and build Brother Eye and the Tower of Babel shit is because he subconsciously knows that the League is willing to mindrape people
      Except Batman is kinda splitting hairs here seeing how Martian Manhunter erased memories and plant post hypnotic suggestions in front of Batman EARLIER ON IN IDENTITY CRISIS ITSELF.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fiddling with memories is fine. It was pretty much understood that they were going to wipe his memories of raping Sue and the other stuff he'd found out while on the Satellite. Batman's sticking point was that they were literally magically lobotomizing Dr. Light to make him "harmless".

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To me that's splitting hairs just for the farce of a moral quandary. Dr. Light did not actually get a magical lobotomy, he had his memories erased and a post hypontic suggestion implanted in him lobotomies send people catatonic, Dr. Light didn't get brain damaged he just became a wimp.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay there are a lot of reasons to hate Identity Crisis but the JL was not "complicit" in Sue Dibney's rape.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This story permanently turned Dr. Light into basically just "Rape Man", with everything about him revolving around rape. I remember in Final Crisis when the Spectre showed up to kill him, he was holed up in a hotel room where he was raping some prostitutes he'd dressed up as Raven, Starfire and Donna Troy. Apparently the Justice League knew he was like this the whole time and just decided it was fine to let a bunch of teenage girls fight him

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even his zombie form in Blackest Night was just "mmm, I'm going to shove my rotting zombie wiener into you Kimiyo" for like three straight issues

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why does DC hate Hoshi?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Didio hates coie and the post-crisis era.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's more people than Didio trying to turn back the clock to the Silver Age, though. Meltzer being one of the most obvious.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't believe dc thought this was a good product to sell people

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Hawkman black?

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what if the justice league was complicit in the rape and murder of their friend
    Did you even read Identity Crisis? The big twist is that it legit had nothing to do with Doctor Wife and it was Atom's insane fricking wife that killed her.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Doctor Wife
      Dr.Light even. Got ahead of myself while typing.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing wrong with "edgy".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. It's a reddit take at this point.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nah its reddit to support edgy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unless it's The Boys

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I disagree, all shock with nothing to say is just banal. Like Johnny Ryan Comics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing right, either.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The right is that it's more appealing to an older audience. I don't want to read the most subdued stories imaginable.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It appeals to adolescents who want to feel mature.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So, the ideal comicbook audience. Where's the criticism?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The right is that it's more appealing to an older audience
            Not really. It's appealing to teens

            >how do we make a story appeal more to adults? make it LESS mature, that ought to be a hit
            Come on..

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >he thinks edgy = mature
              lmao you're a teen yourself, aren't you?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The right is that it's more appealing to an older audience
          Not really. It's appealing to teens

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"edgy"
      I think that it's one of those words that get abused too much so that their meaning becomes murky.
      Like, even a bunch of the responses to this post seem to be working to different definitions of edgy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I found identity crisis "edgy" for two reasons, it's gratuitous use of Sue Dibny and it's retooling of the Supervillain community.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For me "edgy" is something like Alias. It may not be gory or overly violent (which I'm fine with under the right writers), but goddamn is it trying too hard.
        >what if characters swear like sailors
        >what if an obscure Spider-Man villain is a necrophiliac
        >what if Spider-Woman was a crackprostitute
        >dude shit piss masturbation lmao, this ain't your daddy's comic book
        This shit reads like a parody of everything bad about 2000s comics and the acclaim it got baffles me.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nah there is its uncool

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"edgy"
      I think that it's one of those words that get abused too much so that their meaning becomes murky.
      Like, even a bunch of the responses to this post seem to be working to different definitions of edgy.

      For me "edgy" is something like Alias. It may not be gory or overly violent (which I'm fine with under the right writers), but goddamn is it trying too hard.
      >what if characters swear like sailors
      >what if an obscure Spider-Man villain is a necrophiliac
      >what if Spider-Woman was a crackprostitute
      >dude shit piss masturbation lmao, this ain't your daddy's comic book
      This shit reads like a parody of everything bad about 2000s comics and the acclaim it got baffles me.

      "Edgy" used to mean it was new and boundary-pushing. Now it means something with gratuitous sex and violence.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, "edge" changes based on what it considered "normal" at the time. Old Man Logan has the right amount of edge for when it was created. If you tried to release that in the 70s, it would have been rejected at newspaper stands and been something you could ONLY get through direct market sales for mature audiences.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Identity Crisis is Brad Meltzer being an insecure homosexual and ashamed of liking silly Silver Age stories as a kid and retconning entire decades of goofiness by saying behind all those silly battles and goofy death traps was this big bad secret that superheroes just played pretend knowing full well that shit could actually be really serious and dangerous if they didn't lobotomize their enemies. With this retcon every thought ballon from Silver Age is a lie, cause Superman isn't shocked that Luthor is stealing pies, but he's actually thinking
    >Could be way worse. He could be skull-fricking Lois' decapitated head

    It's actually kind of impressive in its cope.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Identity Crisis isn't about the silver age though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Identity Crisis isn't about the silver age though.

      The real problem with identity crisis is Bronze age erasure.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everybody ignores the Bronze Age, despite the fact that it was by far the best era of DC.
        We had Elliot S! Maggin on Superman, Dennis O'Neil on Batman, it was great. The stories were becoming more mature and sometimes covering serious themes, but without losing the wild imagination that they had in the Silver Age.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah man bronze age is great, Ditko an O'Neil's Creeper, O'Neil's Question, Deadman, etc.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Green Lantern was really good in the Bronze Age too.
            Everyone talks about Green Lantern/Green Arrow, which was great and one of the coolest comics at the start of the Bronze Age, but we can't forget that the classic Tales of the Green Lantern Corps Annual anthologies were right at the tail-end of the Bronze Age too.
            Throughout that whole era they really expanded the mythos of the Green Lantern Corps and the character of Hal Jordan.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            O'Neil's Question was post-crisis which would make it modern age.

            Green Lantern was really good in the Bronze Age too.
            Everyone talks about Green Lantern/Green Arrow, which was great and one of the coolest comics at the start of the Bronze Age, but we can't forget that the classic Tales of the Green Lantern Corps Annual anthologies were right at the tail-end of the Bronze Age too.
            Throughout that whole era they really expanded the mythos of the Green Lantern Corps and the character of Hal Jordan.

            Eh, O'Neil's GL run was full of megacringe that was ridiculously elevated because it reflected the readers' politics. Englehart had the better Lantern run.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >modern age
              The 80's aren't modern, surely there's a new term for this age by now. I mean they've had 40 years to think of one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I agree what was the modern age ended in the early 10s but there's no consensus on what the last age or the current age should be called.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I agree what was the modern age ended in the early 10s but there's no consensus on what the last age or the current age should be called.

                The only term we sorta have is "Dark Age" for the late 80s to the early 2000s, but nobody really uses that one.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm starting to like the Bronze Age more than the Silver Age, but not as much as the "Dark" Age.

          Green Lantern was really good in the Bronze Age too.
          Everyone talks about Green Lantern/Green Arrow, which was great and one of the coolest comics at the start of the Bronze Age, but we can't forget that the classic Tales of the Green Lantern Corps Annual anthologies were right at the tail-end of the Bronze Age too.
          Throughout that whole era they really expanded the mythos of the Green Lantern Corps and the character of Hal Jordan.

          >Tales of the Green Lantern Corps Annual
          I think starting in 1980, comics became a different animal from the previous decade. I consider 1980 through about 1996 the peak of the genre.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I thought the 80s were still Bronze, though I agree that 80-mid 90s were peak comics.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I thought the 80s were still Bronze, though I agree that 80-mid 90s were peak comics.

            It's never really a solid line when a new era starts.
            However, I feel like when we're talking about DC comics, it makes the most sense to say that the Bronze Age ends with Crisis on Infinite Earths, it's a really easy cut-off point. The stories in the early 80s were much closer to the stories in the late 70s than they were to the late 80s post-Crisis stories.

            O'Neil's Question was post-crisis which would make it modern age.
            [...]
            Eh, O'Neil's GL run was full of megacringe that was ridiculously elevated because it reflected the readers' politics. Englehart had the better Lantern run.

            Dennis O'Neil's Green Lantern was not the best Bronze Age run, but I thought on the whole it was still very solid. Some issues got too preachy but some issues managed to do well by showing that the issue was ambiguous and neither of the two heroes were totally right.
            For instance, this issue, despite it seeming like Green Arrow is the hero in the cover, ends with the two men getting into a fistfight and then ultimately realizing that neither of them could solve the issue.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Doctor Light was always a serious villain, he suffered from the "the author thinks he is lame so he is lame" syndrome found in modern comics.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well John Ostrander was doing that and he was doing that because in the 80s and 90s peoplw legitimately thought we were seeing the rise of the super-predator so there was a running commentary in comics of "old-school" villains being shocked by the ruthlessness of the modern criminal.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And really the phenomenon is seen even earlier in the 1970s with Denny O'Neil's Batman. When the league of assassins showed up there would be issues where the campy supervillains get putclassed by the serious mystic killers.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It is slightly different, "Doctor Rape" was an attempt to "fix" a "joke villain".

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It is slightly different but it's not that different. If I remember correctly Ostrander had some pretty dark jokes with Light regaining his confidence after killing kids from Apokalips before dying right after that.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, it is really weird.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Identity Crisis is Brad Meltzer being an insecure homosexual and ashamed of liking silly Silver Age stories as a kid and retconning entire decades of goofiness by saying behind all those silly battles and goofy death traps was this big bad secret that superheroes just played pretend knowing full well that shit could actually be really serious and dangerous if they didn't lobotomize their enemies.
      It wasn't Meltzer's idea. Didio commissioned him to write this particular story. The Green Arrow run Meltzer did before this was fine.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >there was a point were the heads of DC approved a rape storyline in a mainstream justice league book

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah and it was called the 80s.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The most acclaimed comics of all time can be described as edgy. Even outside of capeshit.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    still better than nu-comics

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Meltzer is merely a better writer than whoever did that, but it's still garbage.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remember Ultimatum

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ultimatum was an event comic in setting where everything was already fricked up. Hank Pym had already had Janet raped and nearly eaten alive by ants for saying mean things to him WELL BEFORE Ultimatum.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wait, did he rape her?!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No; his ants did, though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            She shouldn't have made him look small

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is why Ultimate Hank is the best Hank Pym. Absolutely love the character.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I prefer my heroes to be actual heroes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >when Dan fricking Slott was the one guy writing a proper Avengers book

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except yes. Compare it to the other books of the time by bendis.
                I know Slott fricked up later on like no one's business, but it wasn't always like that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, Slott.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dan Slott turned She-Hulk into a lolcow & a serial ponzi rapist.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's the solidification that all the Ultimate Marvel universe was good for was full edge and mean-spirited bullshit. So much fricking cannibalism.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    did they seriously go back and recolor hawkman?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because people READ comics in t he 90s

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the funniest thing is the whole story makes zero sense because jean dumped ray palmer, so she wouldn't have even had to try and get him back because he'd be willing
    also the tim drake captain boomerang shit added nothing to the story
    and then of course deathstroke soloing the justice league, so fricking dumb

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lol, this was the first DC event I ever read. It actually got me familiar with a lot of characters I wouldn't have known about otherwise

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You guys seriously have crisis

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    itt poopy puffers. Identity crisis and Gay for Justice are great books.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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