The scene in the cafe in episode 10 or 11 where L tries to gauge Light’s reaction to the clues he (Kira) left is really translated poorly, and I think that’s one of the best scenes in the whole show because L totally dominates Light and he officially, in L’s mind, becomes the prime suspect in that moment.
I just went back and watched that scene and the dub and sub are virtually the same outside of inflection and tone, at least for the Netflix version. Also I think I prefer L's dub VA over his sub one. Can't really put a finger on why though.
Oh I see what you mean. What's the difference then? Exactly what you said was essentially everyone's takeaway from that scene regardless. Light gets BTFO and L suspects him as Kira. The one part that doesn't make sense is at the end where Light decides to help the taskforce to prove his innocence/kill everyone on the task force. I guess that's just a general flaw with Light in general though that he can't help himself to want to take out anyone who challenges him.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It does get the idea of the scene, but there’s a lot of nuance in the dialogue and specifically in the writing on the cards that gets lost in translation. Specifically the fact that Light chooses to (correctly) ignore the serial numbers.
In the English translation, reading them in correct serial number order, the sentence makes no sense. But in Japanese it still does and reads as an unfinished sentence. It makes the fact that Light said not to read them in the order of the serial numbers WAY more suspicious.
This comment i screenshoted from youtube explains that part of it pretty well
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh wow that's actually a big difference and makes light look even more dumb for not obviously thinking of an extra card. You still come out of that scene thinking L completely mindfricked him though so I don't see how it changes much of anything. It just makes an already great scene better.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Exactly, it doesn’t change the take away, but it makes why Light’s answer is suspicious much more glaring and obvious. When I first saw this scene in the sub, it didn’t seem to justify L’s suspicious adequately.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>When I first saw this scene in the sub, it didn’t seem to justify L’s suspicious adequately
I mean yeah by comparison it doesn't fully put you on L's side the way that original translation would. If that didn't do it then the whole "what would you do if you were asked to investigate a kira suspect" question would surely get you over. Are there any other instances like this, or some video going over it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not sure if there’s a video on the subject. And it’s been a hell of a long time since I’ve watched the anime, I’m sure there are, but that scene always stuck with me because it not only really confused me on first view on account of the translation, but I really love that final moment where we hear L’s thoughts before Light gets the call about his dad’s heart attack, “you sure like to talk a lot, don’t you, Light? Typical for someone who hates to lose…”
L totally baits him and already knows how competitive he is after their tennis match.
Generally speaking though the sub and dub translations are certainly adequate.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also, “the thing that only Kira would know” is not the code by itself, but specifically that there’s NO missing fourth card is what the text refers to. Again the English translation fails to establish that connection, and would have you thinking that it’s the message itself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>“the thing that only Kira would know” is not the code by itself, but specifically that there’s NO missing fourth card is what the text refers to
No that's established pretty clearly, at least in my child mind at the time. Light says something along the lines of "but my deduction skills were perfect considering I only had 3 cards" and L goes "Your deduction skills *would've* been perfect if you had considered the possibility of a 4th card". The part that changes with the translation is how much you'd fault Light for this since it should be obvious. Regardless most people come out of this thinking L destroyed him.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not only that he “finds” and correctly deciphers the message for L, but that he (correctly) doesn’t ask if there’s a missing card is incredibly suspect, as any reasonable and innocent person would naturally ask that question because again, the sentence to a Japanese reader would read as incomplete. Japanese sentence structure does not follow or adhere to the same grammatical rules as English does.
But because L flattered Light with his talk of measuring his intelligence, Light is unable to avoid the temptation to show off, and so he correctly decodes the message. He then reacts defensively when L produces the fake fourth card because he knows there’s no fourth card, and Light is too intelligent to have not asked such a basic follow up question (if he were innocent..)
This then makes his answer to the penultimate question “what would you do if you were face to face with someone who you suspected was Kira” SO incriminating.
>try Code Geass too.
Code Gayass was so fricking fun that old moot made a whole day out of the week when it was airing.
This scene right here remains my favorite "oh shit" moments in all of anniemays.
Midwits will notice the quality dip at episode 25
If you're smart you'll notice that it was already dying during the Yotsuba arc
But for the first 15 or so episodes it is unparalleled kino
I really enjoyed it until another anon pointed out that it never shows the autistic guy (well, the REALLY autistic guy) coming to any of his conclusions, he just 'knows' and it ruins half of the interest for me
It's another episode of midwit writer writes about super smart characters and turns intelligence into a magical trait. I fricking hate midwits that do not have awareness of the pedigree of the deductive process and pattern recognition in general. To the midwit understanding springs into being in eureka type discreet intervals because they lack the awareness to recognize the foundational reflective signals that form the scaffolding to build a conclusion. I fricking hate this trash anime and all lazy depictions of intelligence as a super power.
>the protagonist (Light/White) is a very smart person who is living a life beneath him and is very tired of it >because of some events he starts doing criminal activities >has an agent of law has a family member/friend (Soichiro/Hank) who is trying to catch him without knowing it's him doing the crimes >both have sidekicks (Misa/Jessie) who often act very stupidly >as the series goes on, becomes a much darker character >gets rid of a great threat (L/Gus) by killing him with the help of a former character who he had a troubling past with (Rem/Hector) >the series loses a lot of punch after the said threat is dead >the final shot is of the protagonist's dead body >Jesse/Misa partake in the specific criminal activity that White/Light does, with their methods so similar they are often mistook for the real Heisenberg/Kira. >Hank/Soichiro learn of the blue meth/death note long before they ever know that White/Light are actually Heisenberg/Kira. >Hank/Soichiro ask for help from their intelligent relative White/Light on the case and White/Light use this to throw the investigation off
>Hank/Soichiro learn of the blue meth/death note long before they ever know that White/Light are actually Heisenberg/Kira.
Soichiro dies without realizing Light's guilt.
>tanks 5 gunshots and apparently would have lived if ryuk didn't write his name down
how did he do it bros...?
also >calls matsuda an idiot one last time after he shoots him
kek based
Did your brain turn off during that scene or something? The shinigami finishes him off as mercy, he probably would have had a few more minutes of agony at most.
>Once he lost his memories it became shit
Incorrect, it's great and shows just how much the book is corrupting him and his values. Also the Cake-dori it leads to after that is peak anikino. There is a dropoff with the near arc but it's still entertaining and the the decision to change the ending from the manga was great. Even though it seems contrived if you know the original ending it's still kino and dabs on moralgays.
You kinda have to turn your brain off and just accept things like the worlds greatest detective being a teenager. Its a bit cheesy, but there is some great mind chess going on between the main characters.
A trashy overrated show hyped by teens and man-children, it goes over my head how it is always considered "one of the best" I guess it is just because of the interesting premise and edgy designs. objectively its writing is awful, characters are cringy stupid. I couldn't even stand the level of mediocrity when I was 14.
>interesting premise and edgy designs. objectively its writing is awful, characters are cringy stupid.
That's just anime you fricking moron, also it's only considered "one of the best" if it's one of your first instances of anime outside of DBZ and Pokemon.
Talkin about moron your homosexual ass probably gets creamy thinking about some attack on titan or Tokyo ghoul garbage, hey go watch tokyo revengers or whatever that shit is call before kys
Only seen Berserk out of these and it's trash outside of le ebbin tweest at the end of the 90s anime that's obnoxiously alluded to. I couldn't understand why people loved the series at all until I read the manga which actually is kino.
Good premise but soon you will realize the story falls flat because the protagonist is actually moronic and his only advantage over L is being extremely fricking lucky
>(about Mello claiming one of the 13 rules is fake, despite Ryuk insisting otherwise) "I trust Mello more than the Shinigami"
Near as a character is better written in the manga
I watched every episode only to quit part way through the final episode.
There's a limit to how much moronation I can take. I still don't know who "won" because chances are there was at least one more moronic twist before the episode completed.
>watching 9.5 episodes of near garbage before realizing that there may have been some moronation
anon you might be moronic if you didn't realize things had gotten stupid when near randomly guesses x-kira's identity. still, the conclusion is entertaining despite the increase in nonsense
Kino of the highest order
was it autism?
Worse, womanhood
oh god no
kino
Kino but very pivotal scenes suffer from really bad translation because Japanese translation was even worse in the mid 2000’s
example?
This scene alone is all I cared about a proper translation for.
The scene in the cafe in episode 10 or 11 where L tries to gauge Light’s reaction to the clues he (Kira) left is really translated poorly, and I think that’s one of the best scenes in the whole show because L totally dominates Light and he officially, in L’s mind, becomes the prime suspect in that moment.
I just went back and watched that scene and the dub and sub are virtually the same outside of inflection and tone, at least for the Netflix version. Also I think I prefer L's dub VA over his sub one. Can't really put a finger on why though.
Both the sub and dub are translations from Japanese to English.
Oh I see what you mean. What's the difference then? Exactly what you said was essentially everyone's takeaway from that scene regardless. Light gets BTFO and L suspects him as Kira. The one part that doesn't make sense is at the end where Light decides to help the taskforce to prove his innocence/kill everyone on the task force. I guess that's just a general flaw with Light in general though that he can't help himself to want to take out anyone who challenges him.
It does get the idea of the scene, but there’s a lot of nuance in the dialogue and specifically in the writing on the cards that gets lost in translation. Specifically the fact that Light chooses to (correctly) ignore the serial numbers.
In the English translation, reading them in correct serial number order, the sentence makes no sense. But in Japanese it still does and reads as an unfinished sentence. It makes the fact that Light said not to read them in the order of the serial numbers WAY more suspicious.
This comment i screenshoted from youtube explains that part of it pretty well
Oh wow that's actually a big difference and makes light look even more dumb for not obviously thinking of an extra card. You still come out of that scene thinking L completely mindfricked him though so I don't see how it changes much of anything. It just makes an already great scene better.
Exactly, it doesn’t change the take away, but it makes why Light’s answer is suspicious much more glaring and obvious. When I first saw this scene in the sub, it didn’t seem to justify L’s suspicious adequately.
>When I first saw this scene in the sub, it didn’t seem to justify L’s suspicious adequately
I mean yeah by comparison it doesn't fully put you on L's side the way that original translation would. If that didn't do it then the whole "what would you do if you were asked to investigate a kira suspect" question would surely get you over. Are there any other instances like this, or some video going over it?
Not sure if there’s a video on the subject. And it’s been a hell of a long time since I’ve watched the anime, I’m sure there are, but that scene always stuck with me because it not only really confused me on first view on account of the translation, but I really love that final moment where we hear L’s thoughts before Light gets the call about his dad’s heart attack, “you sure like to talk a lot, don’t you, Light? Typical for someone who hates to lose…”
L totally baits him and already knows how competitive he is after their tennis match.
Generally speaking though the sub and dub translations are certainly adequate.
Also, “the thing that only Kira would know” is not the code by itself, but specifically that there’s NO missing fourth card is what the text refers to. Again the English translation fails to establish that connection, and would have you thinking that it’s the message itself.
>“the thing that only Kira would know” is not the code by itself, but specifically that there’s NO missing fourth card is what the text refers to
No that's established pretty clearly, at least in my child mind at the time. Light says something along the lines of "but my deduction skills were perfect considering I only had 3 cards" and L goes "Your deduction skills *would've* been perfect if you had considered the possibility of a 4th card". The part that changes with the translation is how much you'd fault Light for this since it should be obvious. Regardless most people come out of this thinking L destroyed him.
Not only that he “finds” and correctly deciphers the message for L, but that he (correctly) doesn’t ask if there’s a missing card is incredibly suspect, as any reasonable and innocent person would naturally ask that question because again, the sentence to a Japanese reader would read as incomplete. Japanese sentence structure does not follow or adhere to the same grammatical rules as English does.
But because L flattered Light with his talk of measuring his intelligence, Light is unable to avoid the temptation to show off, and so he correctly decodes the message. He then reacts defensively when L produces the fake fourth card because he knows there’s no fourth card, and Light is too intelligent to have not asked such a basic follow up question (if he were innocent..)
This then makes his answer to the penultimate question “what would you do if you were face to face with someone who you suspected was Kira” SO incriminating.
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>yea bro I'm just going to handcuff myself to you and watch you frick your girlfriend
homelust kino
I'm pretty sure Light died a canonical virgin and never banged Misa. He was so autistic that his sex drive was below zero.
Peak anime kino. If you end up enjoying Death Note, try Code Geass too.
>try Code Geass too.
Code Gayass was so fricking fun that old moot made a whole day out of the week when it was airing.
This scene right here remains my favorite "oh shit" moments in all of anniemays.
I had lots of fun when I first watched it too. I don't remember much of it because it's been a long time, but I did enjoyed it.
How do you reconcile them mindwiping everyone and resetting the story for season 2. Nothing matters
I watch Code Geass once a year. It's peak comfy for me. Has so many of my favorite english voice actors.
I love code geass it's great, I've seen it like 3 times. Still one of my favorite anime
Its good, Near stuff felt kinda ehh though, but still great
dumb anime tropes and dialogue
convoluted writing
entertaining cat and mouse game until it jumps off a cliff
Midwits will notice the quality dip at episode 25
If you're smart you'll notice that it was already dying during the Yotsuba arc
But for the first 15 or so episodes it is unparalleled kino
I really enjoyed it until another anon pointed out that it never shows the autistic guy (well, the REALLY autistic guy) coming to any of his conclusions, he just 'knows' and it ruins half of the interest for me
Yep, in essence this. It's sherlock Holmes but now he's cute and frickable and there are 2 of them.
It's another episode of midwit writer writes about super smart characters and turns intelligence into a magical trait. I fricking hate midwits that do not have awareness of the pedigree of the deductive process and pattern recognition in general. To the midwit understanding springs into being in eureka type discreet intervals because they lack the awareness to recognize the foundational reflective signals that form the scaffolding to build a conclusion. I fricking hate this trash anime and all lazy depictions of intelligence as a super power.
kino, but read the manga too if you like it. It does somethings on the second part better.
It's like Breaking Bad
>the protagonist (Light/White) is a very smart person who is living a life beneath him and is very tired of it
>because of some events he starts doing criminal activities
>has an agent of law has a family member/friend (Soichiro/Hank) who is trying to catch him without knowing it's him doing the crimes
>both have sidekicks (Misa/Jessie) who often act very stupidly
>as the series goes on, becomes a much darker character
>gets rid of a great threat (L/Gus) by killing him with the help of a former character who he had a troubling past with (Rem/Hector)
>the series loses a lot of punch after the said threat is dead
>the final shot is of the protagonist's dead body
>Jesse/Misa partake in the specific criminal activity that White/Light does, with their methods so similar they are often mistook for the real Heisenberg/Kira.
>Hank/Soichiro learn of the blue meth/death note long before they ever know that White/Light are actually Heisenberg/Kira.
>Hank/Soichiro ask for help from their intelligent relative White/Light on the case and White/Light use this to throw the investigation off
>Hank/Soichiro learn of the blue meth/death note long before they ever know that White/Light are actually Heisenberg/Kira.
Soichiro dies without realizing Light's guilt.
but better.
>tanks 5 gunshots and apparently would have lived if ryuk didn't write his name down
how did he do it bros...?
also
>calls matsuda an idiot one last time after he shoots him
kek based
Did your brain turn off during that scene or something? The shinigami finishes him off as mercy, he probably would have had a few more minutes of agony at most.
maybe that's what it was
but he said that he just didn't wanna wait around
maybe he was just being sarcastic though
A series that goes so strong for the first 8 episodes it could be considered perfect. After that it gets gradually worse with every episode.
Once he lost his memories it became shit. The Near arc also got very convoluted and moronic.
>Once he lost his memories it became shit
Incorrect, it's great and shows just how much the book is corrupting him and his values. Also the Cake-dori it leads to after that is peak anikino. There is a dropoff with the near arc but it's still entertaining and the the decision to change the ending from the manga was great. Even though it seems contrived if you know the original ending it's still kino and dabs on moralgays.
A kino first half and a dogshit second half.
Lots of fluffy pies and security
and white people
kino
You kinda have to turn your brain off and just accept things like the worlds greatest detective being a teenager. Its a bit cheesy, but there is some great mind chess going on between the main characters.
L is not a teenager tho
You're in for some kino potato chips
4D Chess kino
it's mindless fun with plenty of charm
Highest degree of kino
A trashy overrated show hyped by teens and man-children, it goes over my head how it is always considered "one of the best" I guess it is just because of the interesting premise and edgy designs. objectively its writing is awful, characters are cringy stupid. I couldn't even stand the level of mediocrity when I was 14.
>interesting premise and edgy designs. objectively its writing is awful, characters are cringy stupid.
That's just anime you fricking moron, also it's only considered "one of the best" if it's one of your first instances of anime outside of DBZ and Pokemon.
Talkin about moron your homosexual ass probably gets creamy thinking about some attack on titan or Tokyo ghoul garbage, hey go watch tokyo revengers or whatever that shit is call before kys
Never seen Tokyo Ghoul but Attack on Titan is kino you fricking mong. What fricking shows do you watch you midwit moron.
Clasic shit, SEL, berserk, trigun, princess tutu, monster, baccano, kaiji, Jojo to name a few. Death Note is a piece of shit.
Only seen Berserk out of these and it's trash outside of le ebbin tweest at the end of the 90s anime that's obnoxiously alluded to. I couldn't understand why people loved the series at all until I read the manga which actually is kino.
Death Note is great right up until it becomes boring trash. The basic concept for the show is cool enough to give it a watch.
Ls VA clearly had a lot of fun with some of his lines
Good premise but soon you will realize the story falls flat because the protagonist is actually moronic and his only advantage over L is being extremely fricking lucky
>(about Mello claiming one of the 13 rules is fake, despite Ryuk insisting otherwise) "I trust Mello more than the Shinigami"
Near as a character is better written in the manga
It makes more sense that the shinigami is helping Kira than Mellow lying for no reason.
I watched every episode only to quit part way through the final episode.
There's a limit to how much moronation I can take. I still don't know who "won" because chances are there was at least one more moronic twist before the episode completed.
>watching 9.5 episodes of near garbage before realizing that there may have been some moronation
anon you might be moronic if you didn't realize things had gotten stupid when near randomly guesses x-kira's identity. still, the conclusion is entertaining despite the increase in nonsense
RYUK DIES LOL