What is DC doing wrong compared to Marvel? They just take L after L in comics and movies.

What is DC doing wrong compared to Marvel? They just take L after L in comics and movies. Even their previous advantage in video games and animation have been stomped out by the Spider-Man games and X-Men 97. What is Marvel doing that they aren't?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh hey. This thread again. Yay. Back from your three day ban?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to troll. I want DC to succeed and I'm just curious what secret sauce they don't have at the moment.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That’s a shill you’re taking to.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to troll. I want DC to succeed and I'm just curious what secret sauce they don't have at the moment.
        Oh all right then. Fair enough. Have at it. Just felt like I've seen the same exact thread 20 times the last 4 days

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Consistency. Marvel is committing hard to Spider-Black and Deadpool and pumping out so much crap, but DC hasn't done anything consistent in decades. When you're being outdone tactically and in volume by the swashbucklers backed by the squeaky clean Comstock company, you know you've got an identity issue.

        It doesn't help that their stuff doesn't appeal to anybody, since it's

        DC is too overly edgy and obsessed with death and destruction. I'm not wasting my time on that psycho shit.

        and also very spiteful in its politics to try to virtue signal for people who don't actually exist and don't buy comics.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Consistency.
          This. The characters are all over the place and there is too much lowbrow shock value.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DC is too overly edgy and obsessed with death and destruction. I'm not wasting my time on that psycho shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have you seen the yestarday's issue of Marvel's Blood Hunt event, dumbo?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wish that were true

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >And same to Spiderman and X Men and all of these old ass properties whose heyday was like forty years ago.
    Marvel is literally seeing massive success with these characters

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    No there's nothing with the characters it's just the atrocious management and terrible stories/tropes that's dragging them down.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DC sucks and Batman won't save them forever

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But why do they suck, and how can we stop them from sucking?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Warnerbros collapsed twice already. He never saved anything.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Zorro
    We literally just had a very iconic Zorro movie, plus the swashbuckling gallant who's the gaygiest most foppish Spanish aristocrat in his daily life is still the go-to plot for every generic superhero setting.

    [...]

    Warner's basically done already. They may squeak along, but the massive media conglomerate to compete with Netflix was a stupid idea to begin with. Now that Netflix has proven it's too big to make anything good, we'll see a restructuring.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the last Zorro movie was 19 years ago, is that the one you mean

      i'm the only one that thinks that xmen97 is animated in a werid way?

      the original was too, it's embarrassing what passed for good tv tier animation in the 90s

      2Dgays complain about the rise of Flash and 3D animation but the truth is the only shit that looked smooth and consistent was big-budget movies, even big-budget tv like BTAS and the other WB shows tended to look like ass

      https://i.imgur.com/MZpUh2b.png

      What is DC doing wrong compared to Marvel? They just take L after L in comics and movies. Even their previous advantage in video games and animation have been stomped out by the Spider-Man games and X-Men 97. What is Marvel doing that they aren't?

      so there's this thing called brand recognition

      and the problem with it is that it's great when your brand is popular, but it doesn't necessarily diminish when your brand is unpopular

      so you can be Company A, riding high on sales of Popular Company A Product Line, and that brand recognition stays about the same even when popularity of that product line's releases goes up and down

      or you can be Company B, with terrible sales of Company B Product Line, and unable to snap out of it because you still have good brand recognition - people know you're the company that makes that shitty line

      if you started out in Company A's position as DC Comics did then you have great brand recognition - but that doesn't translate to high sales any more because your reputation is now bad, and everyone knows it

      so you try stunts to boost sales and when they backfire - as they sometimes do - it can make things worse, and the harder you were pushing those stunts, the worse the blowback from them becomes

      imagine if McDonalds execs said "we've got great brand recognition, let's get a McDonalds Cinematic Universe going"

      they're right, they do have great recognition, but nobody wants to buy movies from them (see also Blizzard/Warcraft movies) because the fundamental thing you want from a company that doesn't make movies is not movies, that's a big part of their brand, not making movies

      but what you have with DC is execs saying "let's make movies this particular way" and it turns out that's also a big part of their brand, not doing movies that particular way and now they've ruined it

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >X-Men 97
    Hasn't even made the splash that Invincible S1 had by this same point in it's S1 lifecycle and the x-fan base was/is huge and the show had built-in nostalgia goggles that it didn't frick up in rebooting itself.

    >SM games
    make a Miles thread and watch the hate flow son, don't cherry pick so much
    You can make your bait thread without this crap.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i'm the only one that thinks that xmen97 is animated in a werid way?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Still better and more beloved than whatever animation and games DC has right now

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>SM games
      >make a Miles thread and watch the hate flow son, don't cherry pick so much
      The fans are divided about Miles sure, but people still love the gameplay. Plus, a split reaction is better than 100% of people shitting on the game like with Suicide Squad.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Comics, movies animated or live action, series animated or live action, and video games are unfortunately very different industries where it's often a case by case on where or why they fail.

    Fortunately, when it comes to DC, there's a historical pattern that's still true even today in which gigantic failures can be defined as:
    1) Warner Bros. Executives being gigantic pieces of shit

    2) DC Executives being gigantic pieces of shit

    Or 3) This one fricking guy screwing it up without a care in the world.

    I haven't looked into how Disney handles Marvel, so I got no idea about their process, but for DC's recent failures, those are rounding up to number 1. Warner Bros. Executives being gigantic pieces of shit.

    Gotham Knights the video game and Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League are what they are directly because of Warner Bros. Executives being gigantic pieces of shit and demanding live service products to milk as much profit come hell or high water, which then explains the sources of their various troubled developments and the sheer fact people looking into what the frick happened have actually been getting devs willing to talk about it.

    For animated movies, the abysmal failure of Tomorrowverse feels like a too ambitious project with too little organization, with a helping dash of Executives being gigantic pieces of shit. Interestingly, the other animated movies that came out recently, Batman: Soul of the Dragon and The Doom That Came To Gotham are genuinely really good, but have received negative amounts of coverage and I do recommend giving them a look if you have the time, and the more kid friendly movies like the DC League of Super-Pets and Merry Little Batman were okay, but neither broke the hell grip Disney has on that target audience.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      (Cont.)

      For live action movies, well, we'll never know if Batgirl would've been a failure or not thanks to Warner Bros. Executives being gigantic pieces of shit, and while The Batman by Matt Reeves did awesome, the sequel is going to be delayed thanks to those writer's protests so there's that void, and we'll have to see how Joker: Folie a Deux does once it comes out. Unfortunately, two movies does not unceasing churn of MCU Products stop, so there's another perceived failure.

      For series, most of them animated as the live action in DC side were either stupendously forgetful like that Pennyworth series or mind boggling garbage no one will miss being cancelled also known as Gotham Knights series by CW, My Adventures With Superman is doing great and hopefully they'll retain that spark for season 2 and not get cancelled mid production for tax reasons, while the Penguin series is still in production so there's really not telling how that one will go until it's up.

      As for comics, after reading text interviews and listening to podcast interviews and reading the newsletters and announcements and whatever-have-you, while the push for the Dawn of DC was nice on paper, in practice the wild variance in quality of each comic line doesn't help when it's all supposedly a connected, coherent universe where the Justice League has been disbanded with the Titans being the focus and whatever, now with this yearly mandated crisis coming up after an entire year of different events for build up.

      It's impossible for me to offer a single, simple and unbiased explanation as to what's going wrong in the comics area, because frankly I hope Jim Lee isn't going to be another fricking guy screwing it up without a care in the world like Didio was. At least Lee hasn't been behaving like that yet. Still it'll take time for the efforts of that build up to become noticeable, and offering my impressions on individual comics isn't a great measure as to whether they're working or not.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >only batman and cute animals have good content.
      How happy I am to know that after 20 years everything is still the same.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What is Marvel doing that they aren't?
    Not sucking ass

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      marvel sucks ass though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It says a lot about DC when Marvel had a string of continuous frickups and instead of capitalizing they simply fricked up even harder

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not flooding the shelves.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Marvel innovated, DC followed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Marvel is like that one kid in class who yells the same joke but louder and gets the big pop

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DC’s problem across all media (but especially the comics and their attempts at a cinematic universe) is and always has been that they constantly err on the side of giving writers/directors/etc “the freedom to tell their own story” with every comic run/media entry, leading to a convoluted and disparate mess in terms of lore and narratives, and numerous “similar but different” iterations of the same characters and stories. Even the James Gunn film reboot has to incorporate previously invested projects like The Batman and Joker as “elseworld” stories because they can never just wipe the slate clean and start over.

    Marvel, on the other hand, was somehow able to commit for over 15 years now to having every movie and live-action series being part of a shared cinematic universe that even normies are intimately familiar with. DC has this far been unable to commit to this level of consistency and vision beyond small scale projects like the DCAU and the DCAMU. And if even if the MCU is just a bunch of generic/interchangeable superhero spectacles all coming out at the same time, better that than to keep hiring pretentious clowns who write for themselves and other writers and bog shit down with unnecessary character drama and constant deconstruction of the characters/genre with no meaningful resolution.

    If DC were simply willing to embrace creating visual-slop with nearly-packaged storylines, they might have had a better chance

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