You have to pay attention to the setups and most of the humor lies in the absurdity of the situation itself more than any lines that are actually said. Shorter attention spans kill the multi-setup jokes where one punchline doubles as a setup for the next joke, and absurdism is everywhere now so you need more than just 'it's funny because they're hyping Dr. Zaius up but he's just standing there since that's different from what people would normally do in that situation..'
>it's funny because they're hyping Dr. Zaius up but he's just standing there since that's different from what people would normally do in that situation..
I'm 32 years old and I never understood this bit because standing still isn't funny
It looks funny that they are literally worshipping Dr. Zaus while he just stoically stands there not doing anything. It looks absurd. He's not talking, or gesturing heroically. It's just a funny contrast.
I just remembered it requires SOME knowledge of the film, since it's a parody of how he's portrayed in the film. He's part of the religious/intellectual elite of their society and they rely upon his views to guide society.
The "sexy nurse" is a parody of the female Chimp character. I remember threads of people asking "are we supposed to find her hot?". The entire scene is packed with jokes and satire, which require you to be somewhat aware of the film. Everything is taken up a notch to make it funny.
Zoomers wear their ignorance of pop culture from even slightly before their time as a badge of honour.
Sadly, yes. Probably how people in the 90's thought 50's films were silly. Planet of the Apes played on TV all the damn time from the 80's onwards especially late at night so everyone was aware of the film.
I saw the movie. I remember Zaius being a scientist and Zira being a female chimp that empathizes with Heston and they kiss. Dr. Zaius standing still while the others worship him still isn't funny, and the female nurse chimp still doesn't make sense.
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>Dr. Zaius standing still while the others worship him still isn't funny, and the female nurse chimp still doesn't make sense.
I already explained it. It's a satire and exaggeration of the film. They basically treat him like a wise sage in the film, and the chimp lady was meant to be kinda cute/sexy. Also you need to know the song Rock Me Amadeus.
If this were Family Guy, they'd be like:
>"Hey remember Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes?" while they stand around slack jawed >cut to Charlton Heston in the film and it's just the film but whacky
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>the joke is references to an obscure song
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>John Swartzwelder, a conservative, wrote a good chunk of golden age Simpsons.
And this is a point I want to bring up sometimes too. Often talented writers are outsdier weirdos and they don't conform to mainstream standards and have quirky personalities. Now think of modern day corporate culture and the kind of idiots who rise through the ranks; twitter addicts and former tumblr acddicts, who are able to leveridge their identity and think being an activist is a replacement to being a good writer.
Take Rumiko Takahashi: nerd girl extraordinaire who sent to school and got a degree, and all to write nerd girl fantasies dunking on bawds where she self-inserts as the girl whom every guy wants.
[...] >obscure
It's 80million views on youtube alone, and that's decades after it was a hit. It got good radio play in the 80's and would be a known song.
Hell, people made a Star Wars parody music video of the song in the pre-YouTube era
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Next you’ll be saying Robert Palmer’s ‘Adficted to love’ is obscure. Go back to your Island Boys and Tekashi69 or whatever facetatted street garbage you broccoli-headed low-T Fortnite-addicted homosexuals like to listen to.
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also fits with how musicals over exaggerate scenes and adaptations
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It's funny because they are doing a musical of planet of the apes. In a world where they tried a Spiderman musical the absurdity is lost
>In a world where they tried a Spiderman musical the absurdity is lost
Yeah. Though prettt surw they had atupid movie adapations then too. I saw a soundtrack for a Superman musival from the 80s. Somehow Broadway has gotten even worse.
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That’s because it’s not the film, it’s a musical written based on the film by someone who doesn’t understand the source material.
If Preacher, The Boys, Star Wars, nu-Trek etc don’t help you understand the relevance of that then your media literacy is truly lacking.
I think the sexy nurse is there because it's a parody of a kitschy Broadway musical. Somebody stupid enough to make a musical about planet of the apes probably never read the book or saw the movie. They see a character named Dr. Zaius and think he's a medical doctor. He's a doctor because he has the in-universe equivalent of a PHD.
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I thought they were poking fun at Playmates of the Apes.
And the best part is that you could potentially see exactly that happening in a genuine shitty musical knockoff of the original Planet of the Apes (remembering that it was, at that time, an extremely dated and dead IP).
>not a moving picture so zoom zoom doesnt understand.
many such cases
>I sat inside all the time and watched the same re-runs of a cartoon over and over again throughout the course of many years >zoomers owned epic style!!
yeah for an hour everyday, after dinner. Unlike your generation - watching youtube all day and if they are outside for 30seconds and something isnt happening theyre on tiktok and/or instagram
The scene works as the climax to the episode, and you are not really expecting it. yes, they really did a musical about Planet of the Apes, and it's mostly played straight. The musical includes absurd numbers, and a song based on the 80's song Amadeus, which is entirely something that could happen. it's just absurd enough but while being plausible.
So first you need to be aware of Planet of the Apes (anyone under 30 hasn't seen it), second to watch the episode. Third, absurdist comedy is now mainstream post-family guy so they are used to zany whacky cutaways so a Planet of the Apes musical doesn't seem special.
Knowing "it was earth all along" and having seen the movie or knowing any of the context surrounding it is two completely separate things. I know zoomers who actually watched the OT for the first time recently and they were shocked by the twist in real time despite having heard "I am your father" countless times through their childhood. Just because you know an extremely famous line doesn't mean you know where it's from or the context.
>it's funny because they're hyping Dr. Zaius up but he's just standing there since that's different from what people would normally do in that situation..
I'm 32 years old and I never understood this bit because standing still isn't funny
The scene works as the climax to the episode, and you are not really expecting it. yes, they really did a musical about Planet of the Apes, and it's mostly played straight. The musical includes absurd numbers, and a song based on the 80's song Amadeus, which is entirely something that could happen. it's just absurd enough but while being plausible.
So first you need to be aware of Planet of the Apes (anyone under 30 hasn't seen it), second to watch the episode. Third, absurdist comedy is now mainstream post-family guy so they are used to zany whacky cutaways so a Planet of the Apes musical doesn't seem special.
It looks funny that they are literally worshipping Dr. Zaus while he just stoically stands there not doing anything. It looks absurd. He's not talking, or gesturing heroically. It's just a funny contrast.
I just remembered it requires SOME knowledge of the film, since it's a parody of how he's portrayed in the film. He's part of the religious/intellectual elite of their society and they rely upon his views to guide society.
The "sexy nurse" is a parody of the female Chimp character. I remember threads of people asking "are we supposed to find her hot?". The entire scene is packed with jokes and satire, which require you to be somewhat aware of the film. Everything is taken up a notch to make it funny.
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Sadly, yes. Probably how people in the 90's thought 50's films were silly. Planet of the Apes played on TV all the damn time from the 80's onwards especially late at night so everyone was aware of the film.
It's funny because they are doing a musical of planet of the apes. In a world where they tried a Spiderman musical the absurdity is lost
It's funny because of the inherent absurdity of Planet of the Apes being made into a musical, combined with the comedic lyrics and shit like the piano gag. >they're hyping Dr. Zaius up but he's just standing there since that's different from what people would normally do in that situation
What are you talking about? Dr. Zaius doesn't just stand there he interrogates the human, and his lines are also funny.
The scene works as the climax to the episode, and you are not really expecting it. yes, they really did a musical about Planet of the Apes, and it's mostly played straight. The musical includes absurd numbers, and a song based on the 80's song Amadeus, which is entirely something that could happen. it's just absurd enough but while being plausible.
So first you need to be aware of Planet of the Apes (anyone under 30 hasn't seen it), second to watch the episode. Third, absurdist comedy is now mainstream post-family guy so they are used to zany whacky cutaways so a Planet of the Apes musical doesn't seem special.
>climax to the episode
It was like halfway through.
>The Simpsons that fails to engage younger audiences?
Gen Z are autistic morons.
I've seen a lot of cringe inducing trash on TV over the years regardless what spectrum it comes from but this is honestly beyond the event horizon. This is easily the most cancerous thing late night "comedy" has ever produced. I try to think of something worse in the last 40 or so years and I'm drawing blanks. Even Colbert's audience thought it was cringe and they're clapping seals who will laugh at anything as long as it parrots their narrative. This coupled with his mental breakdown weeks prior and it makes for a gigantic shit show.
Why don't Zoomers find old school Simpsons funny? Probably because like said, it relies on absurdity and we've reached the point where reality and supposed "normalcy" is more absurd than any comedy a comedian can write.
The Simpsons were 80s poor, Homer was 90s fat, and Lisa was 90s smart.
Now their house would be solid middle or upper middle class, Homer would be average weight and everykid with a smart phone is as precocious and annoying as Lisa.
>Now their house would be solid middle or upper middle class
No it wouldn't. Go anywhere outside of big cities and their metropolitan areas and you see poor people in houses like that. The only difference is that the Simpson's house has less clutter
>everykid with a smart phone is as precocious and annoying as Lisa.
kek no. Zom Zoms and younger don;t read books or learn to play instruments. The longest they can concentrate for is about ten minutes.
"Flynn continued his work and other scientists followed suit until they all noticed that children born in 1975 reached 'peak IQ' and average intelligence had been dropping ever since. This is called the 'Reverse Flynn Effect'."
Places like India have an average IQ of 76, basically moronic and that's the MID POINT. Zom Zoms and younger have a similar intelligence fall off, about 10 points lower on average than GenX . The generation under the zoms have an average intelligence that would have been considered clinically moronic in the 1980s
>"Flynn continued his work and other scientists followed suit until they all noticed that children born in 1975 reached 'peak IQ' and average intelligence had been dropping ever since. This is called the 'Reverse Flynn Effect'."
That isn’t how IQ works at all, it will always be adjusted so the average is 100. If every single human on the planet was Einstein, the average IQ will still be 100. You aren’t anywhere near as intelligent as you like to pretend to be, especially when you spout bullshit your aren’t smart enough to understand. Leave the thinking to your betters.
Yeah the whole >ignorance is my super power
Is a very boomer trait young zoomies embrace. I used the word redundant at an office meeting and the 22 year old and 58 year old got offended
It makes political arguments literally impossible, because as soon as you reveal that you actually know enough about something to prove that it's not a nazi thing or whatever, the next line out of a zoomer's mouth is "wow, you sure know a lot about nazis, huh"
>Literally the most incel and shut in generation in history
Millennials.
Zoomers are alright, they have more sex than millennials, they are more friendly, less nervous and better people in general.
>2017
Yes, these were incelous late millennials offing themselves en masse back then, zoomers are fine, and have more sense of purpose than millennials. Gen Z is doing great, no matter what you, Gen Y moron, think.
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lmao
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All attention seeking """bisexual""" women btw
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>Millennial >96
Yeah, I can just throw that image right out.
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That would mean zoomers are even gayer than that chart implies, moron.
You could look at this as a form of intergenerational rebellion. Our generation was way too obsessed with pop culture for a time, 90's and 2000's humor had a large element of "it's a reference so it's funny". See the Scary Movie franchise along with all its sister movies like Disaster Movie, or Family Guy which I recall having sections on Wikipedia explaining pop culture gags for each episode. Internet comedy was like that too, plenty of memes were just quotes (THIS IS SPARTA, OVER 9000, DO A BARREL ROLL, etc.) and then there were early ecelebs like the Nostalgia Critic who made a career out of making fun of copyrighted material.
My dad used to make us watch movies with him when we were kids. I dunno if parents do that anymore as he didnt really even do it with my sister who is 10 years younger than me but he did it with me and my older brother and younger brother
>My dad used to make us watch movies with him when we were kids. I dunno if parents do that anymore
I make my kid watch films with me i think he will really like. >didn't make sister watch
Your father is a smart man. Trying to get women to appreciate kino is a waste of time.
i love Konosuba and i think you're a moronic weeb c**t to even dare say that. Konosuba is funny but japanese humour has alot of jokes that fall flat on their arse outside of japan.
>oh no we're starving again!
So sick of this cringe joke, it was never funny, no idea why nips think being in a state of hunger is hilarious.
Matt Groening is a liberal homosexual and most of his shit was never funny. Futurama is shit whenever a scene has Leela in it and like half the episodes involve people cheating on each other.
The board was more interesting before liberals came here, the one place on the internet non-liberals don’t completely control the narrative, and tried to turn it into another circlejerking hugbox.
It's just console wars for adults and almost as meaningless most of the time. They fight so hard for the higher level stuff when it's the local politics they sleep through that actually affect them.
Eh, Swartzwelder is more of a weird libertarian of a kind that doesn't really exist anymore. He's more conservative than the other Harvard nerds on the writing staff, but that's not saying much.
>John Swartzwelder, a conservative, wrote a good chunk of golden age Simpsons.
And this is a point I want to bring up sometimes too. Often talented writers are outsdier weirdos and they don't conform to mainstream standards and have quirky personalities. Now think of modern day corporate culture and the kind of idiots who rise through the ranks; twitter addicts and former tumblr acddicts, who are able to leveridge their identity and think being an activist is a replacement to being a good writer.
Take Rumiko Takahashi: nerd girl extraordinaire who sent to school and got a degree, and all to write nerd girl fantasies dunking on bawds where she self-inserts as the girl whom every guy wants.
>the joke is references to an obscure song
>obscure
It's 80million views on youtube alone, and that's decades after it was a hit. It got good radio play in the 80's and would be a known song.
>all to write nerd girl fantasies dunking on bawds where she self-inserts as the girl whom every guy wants.
Absolutely nothing she has ever made fits your descriptor at all.
It's pretty bad writing too and driven by absurd contrivances. It's like the romcom version of Jojo. On the other hand I'd rather marathon the entirety of Ranma or Inuyasha than listen to the average diaspora c**t with a chip on her shoulder for any length of time, so maybe I just didn't know how good I had it.
>one of the funniest writers in the golden era was a conservative >refuse to hire any more conservative writers after he leaves
Why are they like this?
And they made him into the meat-eating man on parks & rec that they all laughed at.
>Downey described Swartzwelder's interview as "one of the most spectacularly awful in history"; it consisted of him entering David Letterman's office without permission, and discussing the state of television (that it was "all shit") while smoking and drinking
one of us, one of us
My soul aches for this generation.
I enjoy reading 60s science fiction a lot and rather than being the cheap pulp novels I expected, a lot of them deal very sincerely with complex ideas of futurism and the human condition, and not a single serious conversation ever goes by without whiskey highballs and cigarette accompaniment.
Matt Groening had little impact on the show after Season 1 which was close to his original comic draft and vision for the show. It was to be a hokey sentimental show with a lot of boomerisms harkening back to the 50's media. Bart was to be the new Dennis the Menace for instance. Starting with Season 2 that's reduced, where the writers explore more satire and pop culutre humor and that establishes itself firmly with Season 3 onwards to become the show everyone likes.
Also Groening is often critical of what we term "Golden Age" animation and designs, and much prefers the modern digital look of the show because it's clean and predictable. Storyborders were just as talented as the script writers back then, and it employed a more fluid animation style. yes, Groening doesn't like this! What a gay.
Point being is that we should thank him for getting the ball rolling and creating the premise, but the real stars were the producers, writers, animators, and directors, of the early seasons.
Good post, thank you. Like any historical event, as we get further and further from it, the details become blurred until it's diluted down to just one product=one person=one sociopolitical judgement.
Whats funny is that nu Simpsons caters to the younger audience yet fails to get them to watch.
So original Simpsons viewers now have to watch Bort being a popular youtuber/twitch streamer/tiktok content creator while they dont give a crap about that.
Young people now are way more moronic than young people were when I was a kid. The slang they use just sounds like complete gibberish and the stuff they find funny is just asinine.
ITT: zoomers too moronic to understand there was a time before the internet and 30 second tiktok clips
the joke is referencing a cultural zeitgeist you can't connect with because you're emotionally moronic on purpose
It was a novelty when it was first on. It's always been bland and unfunny.
Quit saying people who think it sucks are unsophisticated boors, the first like 6 seasons were just Bart saying catchphrases like it's Welcome Back Kotter.
Internet ruined zoomers connection with pop culture.
They literally have no idea who like 90% of anything is because they all live in little hyper specific niche bubbles.
Matt Groening is a liberal homosexual and most of his shit was never funny. Futurama is shit whenever a scene has Leela in it and like half the episodes involve people cheating on each other.
I wish the rest of his phrases got added to the ban filter and they'd block his range. Cant wait for that ugly fat avatargayging üntermench to get doxxed and I call the cops on his little cuckshed.
The Simpsons was always subversive poison created by the elites themselves. The youths of today can be quite sly, suspicious, and jaded, and good at spotting bad, subversive players with ill intent. They are not falling for the "I'm your friend, let's have fun together" ploy the way the older generations did back during more oblivious times. And neither are the older generations. Not anymore.
Most zoomers are just gay materialists. omg I made $1000 an hour on tiktok, I'm the most important person ever. And then you look into it and it's just some repackaged shit from China being sold by random homosexual influencers. This to them is success lol. Not understanding the nuance of some interesting niche, but just fricking blasting garbage across the Internet
>I am going to form an opinion based off Literally Who's tweet and a guy unironically using nietzsche in his profile and make a thread about it >130/11
>I sat inside all the time and watched the same re-runs of a cartoon over and over again throughout the course of many years >zoomers owned epic style!!
i think people are forgetting that the golden age of the simpsons is about 30 years old at this point. If you were a young adult in the 80's you probably weren't watching movies from the 50's. It's sad to see, but this type of thing is inevitable. Kids want to consume newer media that they feel is more relatable, and the simsons is from a different era.
How do Gens Z and Alpha relate to a world without the internet and smartphones. A kid born in 2014 won’t relate to Bart and Lisa watching Krusty the Clown. Who is based on a real TV clown from the black and white era. They’re watching Minecraft TikToks and Mr. Beast.
>How do Gens Z and Alpha relate to a world without the internet and smartphones
Dude, I'm Gen Z and I was around for flip phones. I remember a world before smart phones became a thing.
When we were growing up, The Simpsons was on tv constantly. In my country it had five episodes a day across two channels. It doesn't air nearly as much these days, and when it does two thirds of it are from the zombie seasons.
>What is it about The Simpsons that fails to engage younger audiences? >>>
Its set in a 90s America and it replaced all the voice actors and funny characters, it stopped being funny when it introduced adultery between marge and homer (a long time ago)
the simpsons represents a world that gen z never knew and has no first hand knowledge of. Anyone born in the early 90s or before connects with it because they can still remember a world before the Internet.
I have a 12 year old nephew and the only way he will sit still without singing random snatches of song and saying stupid shit constantly is if he’s plugged into a smartphone or console.its kind of sad.
The Simpsons was a satire of American life in the 80's and 90's when the nuclear family was much more commonplace and traditional institutions like church and community were stronger. Zoomers don't find the dysfunction of the Simpsons family funny or skits like Bart stealing from the church collection plate relatable because the society they've grown up in is far more decadent and more dysfunctional than the satire The Simpsons put forth in previous decades. Homer isn't a funny exception anymore; he's the standard, and better than the average in a lot of ways nowadays.
I'm a zoomer and classic Simpsons is great, but you homosexuals act like it is the absolute greatest piece of media ever created and that the fall of the Simpsons is tantamount to the Fall of Rome or the Fall of Constantinople among the great human tragedies.
>act like it is the absolute greatest piece of media ever created
If it would have ended say at season 10 even which was when it was already starting to stink I could have seen it going down as the best show ever made. Now of course it's legacy is tainted but I still have my DVD box sets so all is well on my end.
I don't know if anyone holds the Simpsons in that high of a regard because of the 20+ seasons of slop but as far as the pre phil Hartman death Simpsons, yeah its top tier stuff along with >family guy seasons 1&2 >King of the Hill >South Park >Beavis and Butthead >Home Movies >Venture brothers >the critic
There is a lot of great animation to debate about that came to prominence when I was in grade and high school in the nineties and early oughts. The deal is none of them would exist without the Simpsons, and I don't know if I can pick any fice seasons of those shows that compare to seasons 2-6 of the Simpsons, KOTH or south park are the closest, but in all honesty nothing made me laugh like
"Thank you drive through" Beavis and butthead skits.
>it is the absolute greatest piece of media ever created and that the fall of the Simpsons is tantamount to the Fall of Rome or the Fall of Constantinople among the great human tragedies.
This is true, this is all completely true.
>it is the absolute greatest piece of media ever created and that the fall of the Simpsons is tantamount to the Fall of Rome or the Fall of Constantinople among the great human tragedies.
That is exactly right.
I'm not even kidding. It's not just about the show itself being good, it's about what it meant to the western male to be able to bond through it, particularly across generations. You can argue that this funny cartoon show is no comparison to the great classics of western literature and philosophy, but nonetheless the reason it resonated so well is because it spoke with our voice. Until generation Z, which has nothing to do with the state of television itself (bad as that is) and is more a byproduct of cultural assassination and a corrupted education/ideological indoctrination machine. Good for you for rising above the herd, it's an unfortunate fact however that most in your age group (and some in ours) were raised braindead and spiritually stillborn. How we recover from this is the great question of our time, for anyone who has the foresight to see how catastrophic it will be when the average zoomer assumes the mantle of national responsibility.
The Simpsons is like the Beatles of tv. Once gen x and millenials die, it will fade into oblivion because there are no inherent qualities. No one gives a shit about the Beatles as well, supposedly the greatest band ever, once boomers die their reputation will be of an interesting piece of trivia of the 20th century about their influence, but no one will be actually listening to them.
I remember about 10 years ago I was drinking at an Asian friend's house. He asked me to pick a song and since I didn't know his taste I said to just play Let it Be. He got confused and laughed. "Let it Be? Okay bro." And he searched up this on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU
Really eye-opening moment for me. I thought everyone in America knew the Beatles but apparently that's just the impression I got from my white boomer parents. Also kek at Asian men.
NTA but putting on the Beatles is a smart move when you don't know the musical taste of the crowd you're in. They're inoffensive and catchy. You're probably a 0 social skill autist that would put on Death Grips, lol.
>The Simpsons is like the Beatles of tv. Once gen x and millenials die, it will fade into oblivion because there are no inherent qualities. No one gives a shit about the Beatles as well, supposedly the greatest band ever, once boomers die their reputation will be of an interesting piece of trivia of the 20th century about their influence, but no one will be actually listening to them.
The biggest issue is that they destroyed the original 16mm masters and film negatives in the 90's and transferred it to video tape, meaning an HD version could never be made. People will not watch some smudgy blurry tv show from 30 years ago on principle. There will never be an HD simpsons and hey'd have to remake the bloody show.
Are the Simpsons animators bad enough dudes to redraw the entirety of the first 10 seasons? Surely it would be a greater endeavor that what they're doing now.
Kek, you can’t really be this stupid. The Simpsons, like the Beatles changed their particular medium so much that they paved the way for much, if not everything, that came after it. Simpsons opened up the west for “Animation for adults”. The Beatles set stuff like Rock and Metal up way before its respective times.
If both were to vanish from the timeline, we would have drastically different media landscapes.
I'm 25 and I grew up on the first 11 seasons of The Simpsons. The idea of young people not liking the show is so weird to me, it just seems so timeless.
I can see how younger audience don't understand the nuanced jokes within the writing I was the same way when I liked Family Guy more because you can just show someone a quick cutaway with a set up and punchline where the Simpsons you'd have to understand the reference or know the characters for the punchline to hit
Because, even though David Chase never intended it to be such, Sopranos is a perfect time capsule ala Daria, of a particular period in American history and mindset towards what it was like to be alive in that time period (in Soprano's case, pre and post-911).
It also helps that Sopranos, like Daria, represents America right before the fall and unlike Daria, after the fall as far as the immediate fall-out from 911. Tony's speech in S1 about how he knows he came up just at the end of the mafia's reign as all powerful crime syndicate reflects Zoomers who realize we are in the beginning phases of the fall of new Rome and relate to that and the glimpse of before the fall that Sopranos gives us.
Because '''''Classic''''' Simpsons is corny and not that funny compared to South Park. I can't believe Gen X and Soilennials gobbled this trash up.
>D'oh! >Cowabunga dude >Ay carumba >Eat my shorts >Oh no, who will pay for my saxomophone lessons? >Dr zaius dr zaius >Is Batman a scientist >Are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet XD >WHY U LITTLE >Got a call for Hugh Jass, do we have a Hugh Jass here? >Wait a sec...now listen here ya little pukebag, if I see you I will pull out your eyeballs like pickled eggs >Mmm...donuts >Well hey hi-di diddly ho neighborin-o. This diddly biddly sure is middly siddly.
Just when you thought zoomies and whatever mutt abomination shitheads come after them couldn't be stupider and Black personerer, they pull shit like this. The world is becoming braindead and brown, literally going down the fricking toilet.
>What is it about The Simpsons that fails to engage younger audiences
GenX here. Context matters. At the time the episode in question was released, musicals were considered a very low form of theater. This was before Lin Manuel Miranda made it something outside of the realm of homos and gawking NYC tourists from flyover country. It was not considered witty. So for Troy McClure to be doing musical theater was a low point for him.
Planet of the Apes was not considered "funny." It wasn't high quality, but it was grim, yet overacted. A thing to be mocked perhaps but not considered intrinsically lighthearted. A more recent analogue would maybe be Nicolas Cage in the Wicker Man remake. So for Planet of the Apes to be the subject of a musical was equally silly.
The songs themselves were witty insofar as it's hard to make music about the subject matter that both hits the style and tempo of musical theater at the time, and both of the songs were spot on, it tickled the same neurons as a Weird Al parody.
None of the conditions exist in the Zeitgeist anymore so it's not funny. Lin Manuel Miranda made musical theater somewhat respectable, Planet of the Apes isn't a thing people think about. The moment is gone. There are other things Zs and Alphas can laugh at, idk, backrooms and skibidi toilets or whatever, but the Simpsons isn't chasing that demo and realistically probably won't.
Troy McClure
The joke is that he is a recurring beat actor that appears in everything low therefore making this theater play really low quality, not to mention absurd. Then they break down the whole movie by making a ridiculous "Dr Zaius" solves all hyping him up. The musical is trashy af. Bart and Homer eating it up is the simpleton trope that you would have to watch the series to understand. The joke is lost if you only watched the 5min clip.
I can tell you’re Gen X because this a thoughtful and sincere post and not unironic shitposting gibberish that characterise so much of Cinemaphile these days.
Well, I can't understand zoomed humor, different era, maybe. I like the Simpsons while Zoomers love watching MrBeast ~~*Donating*~~ infinite money to stranges in the street. Different humor, I guess.
I never thought that was nearly as funny as fans always said it was. Something like homer saying sucks a bunch or when he makes fun of milhouse on the trip and laughs in his face is funnier to me
Even beyond pop culture references, I could understand zoomies and subsequent generations not appreciated The Simpsons because it’s probably pretty alien to them. I’ve been watching a lot lately, to about halfway through season 3, for the first time in almost 20 years and I’m constantly distracted by how the world it takes place is gone. It just doesn’t exist anymore.
As far as the humor, specifically, that’s also not surprising. I don’t find much or anything new funny either, so it seems fair.
>I’m constantly distracted by how the world it takes place is gone. It just doesn’t exist anymore.
This is what our parents felt like when they thought about the 50s.
>and I’m constantly distracted by how the world it takes place is gone. It just doesn’t exist anymore.
Could you elaborate? Because I'm getting terrified that you might be right.
For instance, when a few local newspapers died, its not a big deal. But it looks like pretty much all legacy media is going to die, ie television, films, movies, newspapers, magazines. Everything is just going to be twitter/youtube/tiktok that's left. Just a sea of self-published "social media" and algorythms that determine what's popular. That's the complete destruction of a shared culture and the elevation of AI algorythms by mega-corps as the dominat social creators. That terrifies me.
How would we know anything? By how much a twitter reporter gets in terms of likes? You couldn't trust anything. Reality would just be whatever you want it to be. All the problems we face now would be 100 fold worse. Democracy and shared culture would be impossible.
To get this joke you need to know about how actors would do these two bit broadway plays as their tv careers were waning. You need to know the gravitas of the original planet of the apes. Even if you knew none of that it is still funny to hear him say "you damn dirty ape" while they are breakdancing.
>Even if you knew none of that it is still funny to hear him say "you damn dirty ape" while they are breakdancing.
This is really the kicker. There were tons and tons of references in the Simpsons I didn't even notice as a kid that were still funny as jokes purely on face value. Watching it again at later ages reveals more and more of them. As my own knowledge increases, so does the amount of enjoyingment I can get out of classic Simpsons, it's beautiful.
To be fair The Simpsons getting worshipped by Redditors and Twitter is really fricking annoying. It’s a fine show but these geeks act like it’s God incarnate. Always quoting it and expecting a standing ovation.
Even during the time period Beavis and Butthead, South Park, and Futurama were way better and more ground breaking.
I'm just not interested in arguments that start with "But, but these OTHER people!" I simply don't care to obsess over them the way some people do. It does not matter to me what an alien culture thinks of something that is a definitive part of my life and shared cultural experience with the people whom I do consider to be peers.
I dunno man, have you tried just.. NOT going to Reddit and Twitter?
it is the epitome of harvard smarm, from a time when that meant jack shit to anybody. these people did homework to ''be more funny'', they approach it like an attainable skill, if they study humor enough then they too will be funny.
I'm a zoomer and when I was in seventh grade, our teacher made us each say our favourite TV show out loud to the class. I didn't know what to say as I didn't watch TV much, so I just said The Simpsons since I loved the classic seasons. I got a few quiet snickers and weird looks after saying it.
>A dog? Isn't that a tad predictable? >In your dreams! We're talking the original dog from hell! >You mean Cerberus?
Been seeing zom zom desperately drop the word "Harvard" into every Simpsons thread lately yet they still can't approach this level of self-awareness and humor.
It's the children who are wrong
Yes.
They are children after all.
Proof positive Simpsno is the goat.
As illustrated here, the first post is most often the based post.
We had this exact thread like three times. The children still cannot accept being wrong. As children do.
F P B P
You have to pay attention to the setups and most of the humor lies in the absurdity of the situation itself more than any lines that are actually said. Shorter attention spans kill the multi-setup jokes where one punchline doubles as a setup for the next joke, and absurdism is everywhere now so you need more than just 'it's funny because they're hyping Dr. Zaius up but he's just standing there since that's different from what people would normally do in that situation..'
>it's funny because they're hyping Dr. Zaius up but he's just standing there since that's different from what people would normally do in that situation..
I'm 32 years old and I never understood this bit because standing still isn't funny
It looks funny that they are literally worshipping Dr. Zaus while he just stoically stands there not doing anything. It looks absurd. He's not talking, or gesturing heroically. It's just a funny contrast.
Nothing about what you are describing is funny. If he screamed Black person and shit himself, that would be funny.
I just remembered it requires SOME knowledge of the film, since it's a parody of how he's portrayed in the film. He's part of the religious/intellectual elite of their society and they rely upon his views to guide society.
The "sexy nurse" is a parody of the female Chimp character. I remember threads of people asking "are we supposed to find her hot?". The entire scene is packed with jokes and satire, which require you to be somewhat aware of the film. Everything is taken up a notch to make it funny.
Sadly, yes. Probably how people in the 90's thought 50's films were silly. Planet of the Apes played on TV all the damn time from the 80's onwards especially late at night so everyone was aware of the film.
I saw the movie. I remember Zaius being a scientist and Zira being a female chimp that empathizes with Heston and they kiss. Dr. Zaius standing still while the others worship him still isn't funny, and the female nurse chimp still doesn't make sense.
>Dr. Zaius standing still while the others worship him still isn't funny, and the female nurse chimp still doesn't make sense.
I already explained it. It's a satire and exaggeration of the film. They basically treat him like a wise sage in the film, and the chimp lady was meant to be kinda cute/sexy. Also you need to know the song Rock Me Amadeus.
If this were Family Guy, they'd be like:
>"Hey remember Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes?" while they stand around slack jawed
>cut to Charlton Heston in the film and it's just the film but whacky
>the joke is references to an obscure song
Hell, people made a Star Wars parody music video of the song in the pre-YouTube era
Next you’ll be saying Robert Palmer’s ‘Adficted to love’ is obscure. Go back to your Island Boys and Tekashi69 or whatever facetatted street garbage you broccoli-headed low-T Fortnite-addicted homosexuals like to listen to.
also fits with how musicals over exaggerate scenes and adaptations
>In a world where they tried a Spiderman musical the absurdity is lost
Yeah. Though prettt surw they had atupid movie adapations then too. I saw a soundtrack for a Superman musival from the 80s. Somehow Broadway has gotten even worse.
That’s because it’s not the film, it’s a musical written based on the film by someone who doesn’t understand the source material.
If Preacher, The Boys, Star Wars, nu-Trek etc don’t help you understand the relevance of that then your media literacy is truly lacking.
as a millennial kid i had never seen planet of the apes, but i knew enough about the film through cultural osmosis to find this episode hilarious
I think the sexy nurse is there because it's a parody of a kitschy Broadway musical. Somebody stupid enough to make a musical about planet of the apes probably never read the book or saw the movie. They see a character named Dr. Zaius and think he's a medical doctor. He's a doctor because he has the in-universe equivalent of a PHD.
I thought they were poking fun at Playmates of the Apes.
>are we supposed to find her hot?
idk you tell me
OOGA AWOOGA
>Hottest Sicilian woman checking in
And the best part is that you could potentially see exactly that happening in a genuine shitty musical knockoff of the original Planet of the Apes (remembering that it was, at that time, an extremely dated and dead IP).
Like its both absurd but also would totally fit a Planet of the Apes musical.
>not a moving picture so zoom zoom doesnt understand.
many such cases
yeah for an hour everyday, after dinner. Unlike your generation - watching youtube all day and if they are outside for 30seconds and something isnt happening theyre on tiktok and/or instagram
The scene works as the climax to the episode, and you are not really expecting it. yes, they really did a musical about Planet of the Apes, and it's mostly played straight. The musical includes absurd numbers, and a song based on the 80's song Amadeus, which is entirely something that could happen. it's just absurd enough but while being plausible.
So first you need to be aware of Planet of the Apes (anyone under 30 hasn't seen it), second to watch the episode. Third, absurdist comedy is now mainstream post-family guy so they are used to zany whacky cutaways so a Planet of the Apes musical doesn't seem special.
>anyone under 30 hasn't seen it
listen, "it was earth all along" is such a famous twist, it is on par with darth vader being luke's father
Knowing "it was earth all along" and having seen the movie or knowing any of the context surrounding it is two completely separate things. I know zoomers who actually watched the OT for the first time recently and they were shocked by the twist in real time despite having heard "I am your father" countless times through their childhood. Just because you know an extremely famous line doesn't mean you know where it's from or the context.
It's funny because they are doing a musical of planet of the apes. In a world where they tried a Spiderman musical the absurdity is lost
Exactly. Pop culture jokes don't age well.
It's not even a pop culture joke. It's "society has sunk so low that they tried to make a Spiderman musical".
>In a world where they tried a Spiderman musical
Oh yeah I heard about that. It was based on the first Raimi movie, IIRC.
Your media illiteracy is showing. The reason it isn't funny is because of the blatant racism.
It's funny because of the inherent absurdity of Planet of the Apes being made into a musical, combined with the comedic lyrics and shit like the piano gag.
>they're hyping Dr. Zaius up but he's just standing there since that's different from what people would normally do in that situation
What are you talking about? Dr. Zaius doesn't just stand there he interrogates the human, and his lines are also funny.
>climax to the episode
It was like halfway through.
it’s funny because a planet of the apes musical is a silly idea. this isn’t some reddit-tier pickle rick joke.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand The Simpsons.
I've seen a lot of cringe inducing trash on TV over the years regardless what spectrum it comes from but this is honestly beyond the event horizon. This is easily the most cancerous thing late night "comedy" has ever produced. I try to think of something worse in the last 40 or so years and I'm drawing blanks. Even Colbert's audience thought it was cringe and they're clapping seals who will laugh at anything as long as it parrots their narrative. This coupled with his mental breakdown weeks prior and it makes for a gigantic shit show.
Why don't Zoomers find old school Simpsons funny? Probably because like said, it relies on absurdity and we've reached the point where reality and supposed "normalcy" is more absurd than any comedy a comedian can write.
The Simpsons were 80s poor, Homer was 90s fat, and Lisa was 90s smart.
Now their house would be solid middle or upper middle class, Homer would be average weight and everykid with a smart phone is as precocious and annoying as Lisa.
>Homer would be average weight
Only in murca, lardlad.
>only in the country the show is made and set in
Damningly accurate assessment
>Now their house would be solid middle or upper middle class
No it wouldn't. Go anywhere outside of big cities and their metropolitan areas and you see poor people in houses like that. The only difference is that the Simpson's house has less clutter
>everykid with a smart phone is as precocious and annoying as Lisa.
kek no. Zom Zoms and younger don;t read books or learn to play instruments. The longest they can concentrate for is about ten minutes.
"Flynn continued his work and other scientists followed suit until they all noticed that children born in 1975 reached 'peak IQ' and average intelligence had been dropping ever since. This is called the 'Reverse Flynn Effect'."
https://www.develop.bc.ca/the-reverse-flynn-effect/
Places like India have an average IQ of 76, basically moronic and that's the MID POINT. Zom Zoms and younger have a similar intelligence fall off, about 10 points lower on average than GenX . The generation under the zoms have an average intelligence that would have been considered clinically moronic in the 1980s
>gen x was the peak of human intelligence
I don't need any "studies" to tell you that's incorrect.
>displaying your own lack of intelligence by misinterpreting the very post to which you're replying
Interesting. Or not, really.
My interpretation is perfectly cromulent given the information actually included in the post. I'm not clicking on your gay, israeli links.
You don't even need to click the link to see where you're wrong. But ok
Inaccurate
> "But ok"
>Or not, really.
You talk like a homosexual.
It embiggens the smallest of men.
>"Flynn continued his work and other scientists followed suit until they all noticed that children born in 1975 reached 'peak IQ' and average intelligence had been dropping ever since. This is called the 'Reverse Flynn Effect'."
That isn’t how IQ works at all, it will always be adjusted so the average is 100. If every single human on the planet was Einstein, the average IQ will still be 100. You aren’t anywhere near as intelligent as you like to pretend to be, especially when you spout bullshit your aren’t smart enough to understand. Leave the thinking to your betters.
That is how IQ works and you don't understand it beyond posts you read on Cinemaphile.
1980s flyover country poor. NYC was an utter cesspit in the 1980s and worse than most people can imagine.
I remember when lower-class working stiffs lived in homes like the Simpsons’ and the Bundys’.
TAKE ME BACK I WANNA GO BACK
Sneed
Are you one of the guys in the picture?
What's funny about crummy monkeys? They should be pokémon creatures!
>I am a brown autistic moron, explain jokes to me or they aren't funny
Zoomers wear their ignorance of pop culture from even slightly before their time as a badge of honour.
I went out with a zoomer for a small bit. She didn't know shit but she was eager to learn at least.
>how dare you not CONSOOME EVERYTHING OLD
You don't need to consume old media to understand famous references.
Stop bragging about being ignorant and move on with your life, you idiot.
unironically though
Yeah the whole
>ignorance is my super power
Is a very boomer trait young zoomies embrace. I used the word redundant at an office meeting and the 22 year old and 58 year old got offended
It makes political arguments literally impossible, because as soon as you reveal that you actually know enough about something to prove that it's not a nazi thing or whatever, the next line out of a zoomer's mouth is "wow, you sure know a lot about nazis, huh"
It’s good to be un-zogged
NOOOO
DON'T GO OUTSIDE AND MEET PEOPLE!
YOU MUST WATCH THE GOYSLOPP
AIIYYYEEEE
I'm sure you know how to work a sextant, right anon?
You don’t do that either. And we were capable of doing both.
Not me. I'm consuming the latest goyslop. So will my children!
>zoomers
>going outside and meeting people
Literally the most incel and shut in generation in history
>Literally the most incel and shut in generation in history
Millennials.
Zoomers are alright, they have more sex than millennials, they are more friendly, less nervous and better people in general.
lol
>spiked with the Grunge movement
>spiked again with the Ugandan Knuckles meme
Really makes you think.
Right. Definitely not something else that happened in 2014-2016.
Gamergate? Drumpf? Harambe? Fortnite?
The wig, the glasses, the catchphrase, brilliant.
Peaked in 2021
But at least we saved Grandma!
Its sad that the problem is incredible obvious but we refuse to change
>2017
Yes, these were incelous late millennials offing themselves en masse back then, zoomers are fine, and have more sense of purpose than millennials. Gen Z is doing great, no matter what you, Gen Y moron, think.
lmao
All attention seeking """bisexual""" women btw
>Millennial
>96
Yeah, I can just throw that image right out.
That would mean zoomers are even gayer than that chart implies, moron.
Who can blame them with how cringe a lot of basedlennials are
who raised zoomies? blame them
Gen X? They are even cringier
You could look at this as a form of intergenerational rebellion. Our generation was way too obsessed with pop culture for a time, 90's and 2000's humor had a large element of "it's a reference so it's funny". See the Scary Movie franchise along with all its sister movies like Disaster Movie, or Family Guy which I recall having sections on Wikipedia explaining pop culture gags for each episode. Internet comedy was like that too, plenty of memes were just quotes (THIS IS SPARTA, OVER 9000, DO A BARREL ROLL, etc.) and then there were early ecelebs like the Nostalgia Critic who made a career out of making fun of copyrighted material.
I watched classic movies with my parents on TV. I assume zoomoids just sit at their computer in the evening even when they're like 6 years old
My dad used to make us watch movies with him when we were kids. I dunno if parents do that anymore as he didnt really even do it with my sister who is 10 years younger than me but he did it with me and my older brother and younger brother
>My dad used to make us watch movies with him when we were kids. I dunno if parents do that anymore
I make my kid watch films with me i think he will really like.
>didn't make sister watch
Your father is a smart man. Trying to get women to appreciate kino is a waste of time.
kids don't know how to use a keyboard anymore bro, all on tablets and phones
1 episode of Konosuba is funnier than the entirety of the Simpsons
i love Konosuba and i think you're a moronic weeb c**t to even dare say that. Konosuba is funny but japanese humour has alot of jokes that fall flat on their arse outside of japan.
>oh no we're starving again!
So sick of this cringe joke, it was never funny, no idea why nips think being in a state of hunger is hilarious.
Konosuba is only watched by troons and brown Mexicans thoughever
>anime adaptation of konosuba being good at anything
my illiterate friend. read the novels
Matt Groening is a liberal homosexual and most of his shit was never funny. Futurama is shit whenever a scene has Leela in it and like half the episodes involve people cheating on each other.
>I hate liberals and women and that's the extent of my personality and what i have to contribute to this thread
thanks again
Why do I need more personality than that? Are you a liberal or a woman? If you are, why are you not kneeling before me, inferior smegma that you are?
this board was more interesting back when it wasn't just "grrr libruls" a hundred times in every single thread.
you've done irreparable damage.
Ok, then get the liberals out of media. I'm glad I damaged it for you, you do not deserve to be happy.
The board was more interesting before liberals came here, the one place on the internet non-liberals don’t completely control the narrative, and tried to turn it into another circlejerking hugbox.
and came down heavy with the censorship hammer.
>Why do I need more personality than that?
politics as a personality is the gayest shit ever
It's just console wars for adults and almost as meaningless most of the time. They fight so hard for the higher level stuff when it's the local politics they sleep through that actually affect them.
John Swartzwelder, a conservative, wrote a good chunk of golden age Simpsons.
Eh, Swartzwelder is more of a weird libertarian of a kind that doesn't really exist anymore. He's more conservative than the other Harvard nerds on the writing staff, but that's not saying much.
>John Swartzwelder, a conservative, wrote a good chunk of golden age Simpsons.
And this is a point I want to bring up sometimes too. Often talented writers are outsdier weirdos and they don't conform to mainstream standards and have quirky personalities. Now think of modern day corporate culture and the kind of idiots who rise through the ranks; twitter addicts and former tumblr acddicts, who are able to leveridge their identity and think being an activist is a replacement to being a good writer.
Take Rumiko Takahashi: nerd girl extraordinaire who sent to school and got a degree, and all to write nerd girl fantasies dunking on bawds where she self-inserts as the girl whom every guy wants.
>obscure
It's 80million views on youtube alone, and that's decades after it was a hit. It got good radio play in the 80's and would be a known song.
Who the frick listening to the radio in the 80's and 90's? Normalgays?
Everyone. I use to tape record q101.1's top 5 at 5 or top ten at ten and loveline episode to listen to on my Walkman when I mowed the lawn
Zoomers **really* can't imagine reality without smartphones, holy shit.
I still listen to the radio now
Everyone, homosexual.
>Who the frick listening to the radio in the 80's and 90's?
literally everyone in a car or the average retail outlet or e.g garage.
I lived in the North Solomons as a kid in the early 80’s and the American Top 40 was compulsory listening (mainly as there was no TV, but whatever).
>all to write nerd girl fantasies dunking on bawds where she self-inserts as the girl whom every guy wants.
Absolutely nothing she has ever made fits your descriptor at all.
Ranma pretty much does.
Ranma's the biggest bawd in the series, and the guys seem to like him.
It's pretty bad writing too and driven by absurd contrivances. It's like the romcom version of Jojo. On the other hand I'd rather marathon the entirety of Ranma or Inuyasha than listen to the average diaspora c**t with a chip on her shoulder for any length of time, so maybe I just didn't know how good I had it.
>one of the funniest writers in the golden era was a conservative
>refuse to hire any more conservative writers after he leaves
Why are they like this?
Herd mentality rules all left or right, only a few real humans can be found in the middle
Would. You know which one.
Yeah. Yellow and blue stripe shirt is pretty hot.
A big enemy of freedom.
And they made him into the meat-eating man on parks & rec that they all laughed at.
>Downey described Swartzwelder's interview as "one of the most spectacularly awful in history"; it consisted of him entering David Letterman's office without permission, and discussing the state of television (that it was "all shit") while smoking and drinking
one of us, one of us
jesus that sounds awesome.
My soul aches for this generation.
I enjoy reading 60s science fiction a lot and rather than being the cheap pulp novels I expected, a lot of them deal very sincerely with complex ideas of futurism and the human condition, and not a single serious conversation ever goes by without whiskey highballs and cigarette accompaniment.
>Matt Groening is a liberal homosexual and most of his shit was never funny
Good thing he's not the one writing the episodes then
Matt Groening had little impact on the show after Season 1 which was close to his original comic draft and vision for the show. It was to be a hokey sentimental show with a lot of boomerisms harkening back to the 50's media. Bart was to be the new Dennis the Menace for instance. Starting with Season 2 that's reduced, where the writers explore more satire and pop culutre humor and that establishes itself firmly with Season 3 onwards to become the show everyone likes.
Also Groening is often critical of what we term "Golden Age" animation and designs, and much prefers the modern digital look of the show because it's clean and predictable. Storyborders were just as talented as the script writers back then, and it employed a more fluid animation style. yes, Groening doesn't like this! What a gay.
Point being is that we should thank him for getting the ball rolling and creating the premise, but the real stars were the producers, writers, animators, and directors, of the early seasons.
Good post, thank you. Like any historical event, as we get further and further from it, the details become blurred until it's diluted down to just one product=one person=one sociopolitical judgement.
Freky writers
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The entire joke of this episode is that polygamous relationships are gross and weird.
>Matt Groening
He was a regular visit to Epstein Island as well
>Matt Groening is a liberal homosexual
I don’t know why so many Americans hate freedom
The old seasons are pretty funny.
t.22-year-old zoomer
Whats funny is that nu Simpsons caters to the younger audience yet fails to get them to watch.
So original Simpsons viewers now have to watch Bort being a popular youtuber/twitch streamer/tiktok content creator while they dont give a crap about that.
I'LL RUIN YOU LIKE A JAPANESE BANQUET.
Young people now are way more moronic than young people were when I was a kid. The slang they use just sounds like complete gibberish and the stuff they find funny is just asinine.
sounding like gibberish to outsiders is the point of slang
We get it, you're old.
I'm not even old. I'm only 34
Skibidy toilet too eclectic for you boomer?
Yup, and all that led to was a house, a wife and family as well as a debauched 20s where I fricked 8/10s. Thanks radio
ITT: zoomers too moronic to understand there was a time before the internet and 30 second tiktok clips
the joke is referencing a cultural zeitgeist you can't connect with because you're emotionally moronic on purpose
>old fart not realizing his timr is up and he doesn't matter anymore
It'll happen to you
>We trained him wrong, on purpose, as a joke
I HATE EVERY APE I SEE
FROM CHIMPAN- A TO CHIMPAN-Z
OH YOU'LL NEVER MAKE A MONKEY OUT OF ME
smiling friends clears
It was a novelty when it was first on. It's always been bland and unfunny.
Quit saying people who think it sucks are unsophisticated boors, the first like 6 seasons were just Bart saying catchphrases like it's Welcome Back Kotter.
Internet ruined zoomers connection with pop culture.
They literally have no idea who like 90% of anything is because they all live in little hyper specific niche bubbles.
SNEED
Planet if the apes came out in the 70's
It was good for the time, but didn't age
>OOOOH! ROCK ME BASKIN ROBERTS!
The Simpsons was always man-hating, feminist trash.
>Mike Scioscia's tragic illness made us smile
Why would a tragic illness make somone smile? That makes no sense and is not likely to make me laugh.
>no sarcasm
why don't c**t women get this
I HATE EVERY APE I SEE
FROM CHIMPA A TO CHIMPANZEE
I wonder what these people that say og Simpsons isn't funny consider as funny. Marvel humour? Penguinz0?
dr sneed
Younger audiences know how to spot trust fund’s bands and know to stay far away from that baskin slop.
>trust fund’s bands
Mfw mods made that brown gay's shitty meme into banned text
Connor is actually a working class man, unlike you, depraved fundie.
Why are you talking about muh working class when you sit on your troon discord and subreddits talking to yourself all day, homosexual?
He never really worked though. Just lived off welfare and trained. He's a based societal parasite, not a cringe cog in the machine.
>societal parasite
Sounds familiar
Yeah but that guy trusts fund bands for a living.
He’s not a welfare leech.
About time. It's been like, what, six years since something got added to the word filter?
I wish the rest of his phrases got added to the ban filter and they'd block his range. Cant wait for that ugly fat avatargayging üntermench to get doxxed and I call the cops on his little cuckshed.
Why does Baskin Roberts make you so mad, fundie?
You work for Seth MacFarlane?
Null, perhaps?
I have a job and I hate you
Cram it, fundie.
I want to cram a knife through your eyes, seth n harris
And I want a trust fund and a silver spoon in my mouth.
Can’t always get what you want, even if you’re a fundie with a band!
duffer chrysalis, aren't that far away. hefty Gerhart
I don't trust you.
Upvoted
damn, he eatin one o them strawberry shortcake creamsicles? i could go for ones of thems rights abouts nows.
Baskin Roberts Fund Trust Band!
Kek it’s kino!
where are the spliced in memes every 5 seconds tho homie
If the joke isn't about poop or farts it's bad, sorry i don't make the rules.
Planet of the Apes was already a moronic premise, making it a musical just dials up the moronation into the absurd.
Young people don’t have enough money to afford Baskin Robbins ice cream anymore due to the economy.
Atention Deficit Disorder.
celebrity features aren't funny
Why are you ban evading and samegayging, sethy?
>screencapping his own posts
Fundie desperation at this point is just sad!
Built for BRTFB
The Simpsons was always subversive poison created by the elites themselves. The youths of today can be quite sly, suspicious, and jaded, and good at spotting bad, subversive players with ill intent. They are not falling for the "I'm your friend, let's have fun together" ploy the way the older generations did back during more oblivious times. And neither are the older generations. Not anymore.
Is Family Guy subversive poison too? Because zoomers slurp that shit up.
Family Guy was before it's time with the short attention span jokes, they're perfect for adderall-riddled zoomers with blown out attention spans
I want to suck dick dressed like that <3 d::::::8
trustin’
2 parts of this scene fricking kill me every time
>the breakdancing ape
>you've finally made a monkey- yes we finally made a monkey!
fundin’
Life much suck knowing your lame meme isn't going to take off
>im-im not samegayging uh all my baskinbros are using the same wifi yeah
This scares the zoomer
Zoomers are all Family Guy fans and Family Guy is far funnier than Simpsons, you can't watch shit after experiencing gold.
This. Zoomers like Family Guy because it was made by a working class man and it’s genuinely funny.
>Family Guy
>made by a working class man
Boy do I have some history to tell you...
Sorry I thought we were only pretending it's funny
How many of you are aware that the Dr. Zaius song is a reference to this?
people who read the thread before posting
I apologize. Next time I'll make sure to sift through 120 posts of slop to make sure I don't make a fool of myself.
See that you do.
>Knee-chee username poster says something moronic to no audience and 4chin users eat it up
Fascinating
>be zoomer
>don't get it
A tale as old as zoomers.
It's like, this relic from like, last Century and stuff. Like before the Internet, even. Gross.
Most zoomers are just gay materialists. omg I made $1000 an hour on tiktok, I'm the most important person ever. And then you look into it and it's just some repackaged shit from China being sold by random homosexual influencers. This to them is success lol. Not understanding the nuance of some interesting niche, but just fricking blasting garbage across the Internet
>I am going to form an opinion based off Literally Who's tweet and a guy unironically using nietzsche in his profile and make a thread about it
>130/11
Quick, post random Simpsons screencaps without explaining them to the zoomgroids.
>I sat inside all the time and watched the same re-runs of a cartoon over and over again throughout the course of many years
>zoomers owned epic style!!
i think people are forgetting that the golden age of the simpsons is about 30 years old at this point. If you were a young adult in the 80's you probably weren't watching movies from the 50's. It's sad to see, but this type of thing is inevitable. Kids want to consume newer media that they feel is more relatable, and the simsons is from a different era.
How do Gens Z and Alpha relate to a world without the internet and smartphones. A kid born in 2014 won’t relate to Bart and Lisa watching Krusty the Clown. Who is based on a real TV clown from the black and white era. They’re watching Minecraft TikToks and Mr. Beast.
>How do Gens Z and Alpha relate to a world without the internet and smartphones
Dude, I'm Gen Z and I was around for flip phones. I remember a world before smart phones became a thing.
>zoomers crying
Broccoli haircut and going along with the xis/xer gender fad has already made you generation the biggest joke of all time.
When we were growing up, The Simpsons was on tv constantly. In my country it had five episodes a day across two channels. It doesn't air nearly as much these days, and when it does two thirds of it are from the zombie seasons.
Its funny cause its a musical version of a sci fi movie with a washed up actor trying to restart his career and a monkey break dances. Its absurd
I never even found this part funny it's just that the DR.ZEUS DR.ZEUS song is catchy
>What is it about The Simpsons that fails to engage younger audiences?
>>>
Its set in a 90s America and it replaced all the voice actors and funny characters, it stopped being funny when it introduced adultery between marge and homer (a long time ago)
the simpsons represents a world that gen z never knew and has no first hand knowledge of. Anyone born in the early 90s or before connects with it because they can still remember a world before the Internet.
The bit relies on you knowing Planet of the Apes for it to be funny
Why would zoomers be familiar with a movie from 60 years ago
Simpsons are over rated most of the time, when it hits though it hits
Roberts are over trusted most of the time, when it funds though it funds
The episodes are too long. They literally can't sit still for a solid minute.
I have a 12 year old nephew and the only way he will sit still without singing random snatches of song and saying stupid shit constantly is if he’s plugged into a smartphone or console.its kind of sad.
The Simpsons was a satire of American life in the 80's and 90's when the nuclear family was much more commonplace and traditional institutions like church and community were stronger. Zoomers don't find the dysfunction of the Simpsons family funny or skits like Bart stealing from the church collection plate relatable because the society they've grown up in is far more decadent and more dysfunctional than the satire The Simpsons put forth in previous decades. Homer isn't a funny exception anymore; he's the standard, and better than the average in a lot of ways nowadays.
The frick is with you autists and your obsession with zoomers? Are your lives so pathetic that you need a target to desperately hate?
>are your lives so pathetic
anon they're millennials
Uh oh, zoom zoom zoomie is getting angry, he's going to break his mom's ipad
I'm a zoomer and classic Simpsons is great, but you homosexuals act like it is the absolute greatest piece of media ever created and that the fall of the Simpsons is tantamount to the Fall of Rome or the Fall of Constantinople among the great human tragedies.
We're right
>act like it is the absolute greatest piece of media ever created
If it would have ended say at season 10 even which was when it was already starting to stink I could have seen it going down as the best show ever made. Now of course it's legacy is tainted but I still have my DVD box sets so all is well on my end.
I don't know if anyone holds the Simpsons in that high of a regard because of the 20+ seasons of slop but as far as the pre phil Hartman death Simpsons, yeah its top tier stuff along with
>family guy seasons 1&2
>King of the Hill
>South Park
>Beavis and Butthead
>Home Movies
>Venture brothers
>the critic
There is a lot of great animation to debate about that came to prominence when I was in grade and high school in the nineties and early oughts. The deal is none of them would exist without the Simpsons, and I don't know if I can pick any fice seasons of those shows that compare to seasons 2-6 of the Simpsons, KOTH or south park are the closest, but in all honesty nothing made me laugh like
"Thank you drive through" Beavis and butthead skits.
>it is the absolute greatest piece of media ever created and that the fall of the Simpsons is tantamount to the Fall of Rome or the Fall of Constantinople among the great human tragedies.
This is true, this is all completely true.
it's comparable
imagine if we had like 25 extra seasons of Simpsons of S6 quality that still felt fresh
>it is the absolute greatest piece of media ever created and that the fall of the Simpsons is tantamount to the Fall of Rome or the Fall of Constantinople among the great human tragedies.
That is exactly right.
I'm not even kidding. It's not just about the show itself being good, it's about what it meant to the western male to be able to bond through it, particularly across generations. You can argue that this funny cartoon show is no comparison to the great classics of western literature and philosophy, but nonetheless the reason it resonated so well is because it spoke with our voice. Until generation Z, which has nothing to do with the state of television itself (bad as that is) and is more a byproduct of cultural assassination and a corrupted education/ideological indoctrination machine. Good for you for rising above the herd, it's an unfortunate fact however that most in your age group (and some in ours) were raised braindead and spiritually stillborn. How we recover from this is the great question of our time, for anyone who has the foresight to see how catastrophic it will be when the average zoomer assumes the mantle of national responsibility.
>younger audiences
skibidi toilet generation knows what funny is, you old geezer
Anyone under 20 are brainwashed thoroughly by the current marxists in teachers union
>The Simpsons that fails to engage younger audiences?
Gen Z are autistic morons.
You can taste Colbert's desperation.
The Simpsons is like the Beatles of tv. Once gen x and millenials die, it will fade into oblivion because there are no inherent qualities. No one gives a shit about the Beatles as well, supposedly the greatest band ever, once boomers die their reputation will be of an interesting piece of trivia of the 20th century about their influence, but no one will be actually listening to them.
I remember about 10 years ago I was drinking at an Asian friend's house. He asked me to pick a song and since I didn't know his taste I said to just play Let it Be. He got confused and laughed. "Let it Be? Okay bro." And he searched up this on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU
Really eye-opening moment for me. I thought everyone in America knew the Beatles but apparently that's just the impression I got from my white boomer parents. Also kek at Asian men.
He sounds like a moronic ESL Chinaman. Most White people know who The Beatles are.
>requesting the beatles
you're an npc
NTA but putting on the Beatles is a smart move when you don't know the musical taste of the crowd you're in. They're inoffensive and catchy. You're probably a 0 social skill autist that would put on Death Grips, lol.
>The Simpsons is like the Beatles of tv. Once gen x and millenials die, it will fade into oblivion because there are no inherent qualities. No one gives a shit about the Beatles as well, supposedly the greatest band ever, once boomers die their reputation will be of an interesting piece of trivia of the 20th century about their influence, but no one will be actually listening to them.
The biggest issue is that they destroyed the original 16mm masters and film negatives in the 90's and transferred it to video tape, meaning an HD version could never be made. People will not watch some smudgy blurry tv show from 30 years ago on principle. There will never be an HD simpsons and hey'd have to remake the bloody show.
Are the Simpsons animators bad enough dudes to redraw the entirety of the first 10 seasons? Surely it would be a greater endeavor that what they're doing now.
They simply used upscaled version in Disney+
Kek, you can’t really be this stupid. The Simpsons, like the Beatles changed their particular medium so much that they paved the way for much, if not everything, that came after it. Simpsons opened up the west for “Animation for adults”. The Beatles set stuff like Rock and Metal up way before its respective times.
If both were to vanish from the timeline, we would have drastically different media landscapes.
I'm 25 and I grew up on the first 11 seasons of The Simpsons. The idea of young people not liking the show is so weird to me, it just seems so timeless.
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This was my most hated simpsons scene as a kid. I hate when shows rely on references to other older media. Family Guy was worse for that kind of shit
Sneed>everything else
I can see how younger audience don't understand the nuanced jokes within the writing I was the same way when I liked Family Guy more because you can just show someone a quick cutaway with a set up and punchline where the Simpsons you'd have to understand the reference or know the characters for the punchline to hit
The real question is why did Zoomers make the Sopranos come back around?
Because it's a show with those good old fashion values, on which we used to relyyyy!
Because it was a forbidden fruit for them growing up in the 2000s. Now go to bed, I'm gonna watch HBO.
They think Tony has "rizz" or whatever.
Because, even though David Chase never intended it to be such, Sopranos is a perfect time capsule ala Daria, of a particular period in American history and mindset towards what it was like to be alive in that time period (in Soprano's case, pre and post-911).
It also helps that Sopranos, like Daria, represents America right before the fall and unlike Daria, after the fall as far as the immediate fall-out from 911. Tony's speech in S1 about how he knows he came up just at the end of the mafia's reign as all powerful crime syndicate reflects Zoomers who realize we are in the beginning phases of the fall of new Rome and relate to that and the glimpse of before the fall that Sopranos gives us.
Probably because it has references that only boomers gen xer’s millennials and older zoomers get
Because '''''Classic''''' Simpsons is corny and not that funny compared to South Park. I can't believe Gen X and Soilennials gobbled this trash up.
>D'oh!
>Cowabunga dude
>Ay carumba
>Eat my shorts
>Oh no, who will pay for my saxomophone lessons?
>Dr zaius dr zaius
>Is Batman a scientist
>Are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet XD
>WHY U LITTLE
>Got a call for Hugh Jass, do we have a Hugh Jass here?
>Wait a sec...now listen here ya little pukebag, if I see you I will pull out your eyeballs like pickled eggs
>Mmm...donuts
>Well hey hi-di diddly ho neighborin-o. This diddly biddly sure is middly siddly.
Just when you thought zoomies and whatever mutt abomination shitheads come after them couldn't be stupider and Black personerer, they pull shit like this. The world is becoming braindead and brown, literally going down the fricking toilet.
>What is it about The Simpsons that fails to engage younger audiences
GenX here. Context matters. At the time the episode in question was released, musicals were considered a very low form of theater. This was before Lin Manuel Miranda made it something outside of the realm of homos and gawking NYC tourists from flyover country. It was not considered witty. So for Troy McClure to be doing musical theater was a low point for him.
Planet of the Apes was not considered "funny." It wasn't high quality, but it was grim, yet overacted. A thing to be mocked perhaps but not considered intrinsically lighthearted. A more recent analogue would maybe be Nicolas Cage in the Wicker Man remake. So for Planet of the Apes to be the subject of a musical was equally silly.
The songs themselves were witty insofar as it's hard to make music about the subject matter that both hits the style and tempo of musical theater at the time, and both of the songs were spot on, it tickled the same neurons as a Weird Al parody.
None of the conditions exist in the Zeitgeist anymore so it's not funny. Lin Manuel Miranda made musical theater somewhat respectable, Planet of the Apes isn't a thing people think about. The moment is gone. There are other things Zs and Alphas can laugh at, idk, backrooms and skibidi toilets or whatever, but the Simpsons isn't chasing that demo and realistically probably won't.
Troy McClure
The joke is that he is a recurring beat actor that appears in everything low therefore making this theater play really low quality, not to mention absurd. Then they break down the whole movie by making a ridiculous "Dr Zaius" solves all hyping him up. The musical is trashy af. Bart and Homer eating it up is the simpleton trope that you would have to watch the series to understand. The joke is lost if you only watched the 5min clip.
Hamilton is also Broadway tourist slop.
I can tell you’re Gen X because this a thoughtful and sincere post and not unironic shitposting gibberish that characterise so much of Cinemaphile these days.
Well, I can't understand zoomed humor, different era, maybe. I like the Simpsons while Zoomers love watching MrBeast ~~*Donating*~~ infinite money to stranges in the street. Different humor, I guess.
The Harvard educated writers that made prime Simpsons so good might as well be a different species from zoomers.
It’s not ‘street’ enough so they don’t get it
They pride thenselves on having a narrow viewpoint. It's truly confounding.
>Abe went from a WW2 vet to a Vietnam vet
>Homer grew up in the 80s
"sliding timelines" was a fricking mistake and this show has gone on way too long
Actually Homer grew up in the 90s since he was born in 1985. Modern day Homer grew up watching the Simpsons golden age
zoomies finally made a monkey out of me!
I never thought that was nearly as funny as fans always said it was. Something like homer saying sucks a bunch or when he makes fun of milhouse on the trip and laughs in his face is funnier to me
The monorail episode is overrated, as is Conan O’Brien’s contribution to the show.
You’re right. But Homer Goes To College is based
Even beyond pop culture references, I could understand zoomies and subsequent generations not appreciated The Simpsons because it’s probably pretty alien to them. I’ve been watching a lot lately, to about halfway through season 3, for the first time in almost 20 years and I’m constantly distracted by how the world it takes place is gone. It just doesn’t exist anymore.
As far as the humor, specifically, that’s also not surprising. I don’t find much or anything new funny either, so it seems fair.
>I’m constantly distracted by how the world it takes place is gone. It just doesn’t exist anymore.
This is what our parents felt like when they thought about the 50s.
>and I’m constantly distracted by how the world it takes place is gone. It just doesn’t exist anymore.
Could you elaborate? Because I'm getting terrified that you might be right.
For instance, when a few local newspapers died, its not a big deal. But it looks like pretty much all legacy media is going to die, ie television, films, movies, newspapers, magazines. Everything is just going to be twitter/youtube/tiktok that's left. Just a sea of self-published "social media" and algorythms that determine what's popular. That's the complete destruction of a shared culture and the elevation of AI algorythms by mega-corps as the dominat social creators. That terrifies me.
How would we know anything? By how much a twitter reporter gets in terms of likes? You couldn't trust anything. Reality would just be whatever you want it to be. All the problems we face now would be 100 fold worse. Democracy and shared culture would be impossible.
its not that funny to be fair, musical gags have always been overrated
It's their own fault for not watching Planet of the Apes as a sequence of TikTok clips.
The "joke" makes absolutely zero sense, it's just a musical Planet of the Apes
The joke is a washed up actor starring in a crappy musical about a campy scifi movie.
To get this joke you need to know about how actors would do these two bit broadway plays as their tv careers were waning. You need to know the gravitas of the original planet of the apes. Even if you knew none of that it is still funny to hear him say "you damn dirty ape" while they are breakdancing.
I totally forgot to add that its a parody to the son rock me amadeus.
ROCK ME BASKIN ROBERTS
>Even if you knew none of that it is still funny to hear him say "you damn dirty ape" while they are breakdancing.
This is really the kicker. There were tons and tons of references in the Simpsons I didn't even notice as a kid that were still funny as jokes purely on face value. Watching it again at later ages reveals more and more of them. As my own knowledge increases, so does the amount of enjoyingment I can get out of classic Simpsons, it's beautiful.
>enjoyingment
that's a typo
To be fair The Simpsons getting worshipped by Redditors and Twitter is really fricking annoying. It’s a fine show but these geeks act like it’s God incarnate. Always quoting it and expecting a standing ovation.
Even during the time period Beavis and Butthead, South Park, and Futurama were way better and more ground breaking.
I'm just not interested in arguments that start with "But, but these OTHER people!" I simply don't care to obsess over them the way some people do. It does not matter to me what an alien culture thinks of something that is a definitive part of my life and shared cultural experience with the people whom I do consider to be peers.
I dunno man, have you tried just.. NOT going to Reddit and Twitter?
Zoomers don't have souls they're just Blackfied subhuman and often troony husks. The Chamber of Guf is empty.
it is the epitome of harvard smarm, from a time when that meant jack shit to anybody. these people did homework to ''be more funny'', they approach it like an attainable skill, if they study humor enough then they too will be funny.
The most meaningless post I've ever read.
I'm a zoomer and when I was in seventh grade, our teacher made us each say our favourite TV show out loud to the class. I didn't know what to say as I didn't watch TV much, so I just said The Simpsons since I loved the classic seasons. I got a few quiet snickers and weird looks after saying it.
>A dog? Isn't that a tad predictable?
>In your dreams! We're talking the original dog from hell!
>You mean Cerberus?
Been seeing zom zom desperately drop the word "Harvard" into every Simpsons thread lately yet they still can't approach this level of self-awareness and humor.
We cannot trust new generations