I'm so hyped for the Theon redemption arc after him being brought so low and turned into a subservient gremlin despised by all. The beginnings of his return in book IV were so nice to read.
The Reek > Theon arc is the best part of Book V. The Prince/Ghost of Winterfell chapters are the literally equivalent to kino. The "I should have died with Robb at the wedding" section was the best passage in the book.
In the show they beat you over the head with it. This is the closest you get to an admission in the book, we don't return to Theon's PoV until well after he's broken.
Other way around. It is not completely clear if Ransay did it. It is said but Theon himself never mentions it or cares about it.
Probably a way for Martin to not get cornered in case he wants Theon to still have a penis.
I would laugh my ass off if GRRM suddenly has Theon have a wiener in the next book (never to be released). Talk about a surprise twist. After all these years, pow! Theon's back and he's ready to frick!
You laugh but that would have huge implications. Theon forgets a lot of shit but suddenly he remembers. Like how he forgot the ironborn customs but didn't forget about Stannis' voice. Thats fricked up and probably is getting his mind messed with.
>Other way around. It is not completely clear if Ransay did it.
It would make more sense if the "other thing" was just a nipple or something. A much more survivable injury.
Which is dumb as frick since it implies whoever cut the dick off did such a good job of repairing it that Theon doesn't have complications like chronic pain or sensitivity.
Yeah, kinda gross. He has theon get hard with some bawds, then cuts off his dick, fries it up and starts muching on it. Then pops his testicles in his mouth one by one.
armin miewes spoke at length on what can go wrong when you cook freshly cut wiener. specifically he got buttmad that pan-fried dick is tough as leather.
>implication and they way that he is taunting him is disgusting
I agree. If you're going to forcibly retrain and cut a man's penis off, at least have the decency to be straightforward and civil about it.
>implication and they way that he is taunting him is disgusting
I agree. If you're going to forcibly retrain and cut a man's penis off, at least have the decency to be straightforward and civil about it.
All the big plot scenes surrounding that character were edgelord ridiculous. I don't blame the actor. It'd be really hard not to completely ham it up after reading the script. Same goes for a lot of the early Dothraki scenes, though I blame Momoa more for his part in those.
Game of Thrones even up to here still blows Muh Roicism Gang out of the water.
In fact, for me, the show ends when Hound jobs to Brienne of all people out of nowhere, huge drop in qual as most people know. That said, the rest of it is still kind of a guilty pleasure for me. Yeah, it sucked, but at least we didn't have to listen to any rants about how white people are bad and gender is fluid and all this other shit that everything is about regardless of what it is (resident evil lmfao).
You got Ramin Djwandi OST which automatically adds like 4 points/10 to anything, and to me nothing after the Hound getting raped was worse than that. Yeah, the sand snakes were unwatchable, the actors had their old Starbucks lying around in every scene, Greyworm gets an annoying amount of screen time for no reason, Arya lazily defeating NK, but who cares. Post-season 4 the quality of the show stays on par. Again, it sucked but really doesn't actually deserve all the hate it gets. Only the most fragile soibeards imaginable thought the show was ruined by the unhinged dragon queen using a dragon to burn everyone alive--didnt see that coming lol!!!
Ramsay gets too much hate too, he's FAR from the worst character on this show. I'd go as far to say that I like him. He's one of the few characters that is just cool the whole time and doesn't get humiliated/cucked in some way.
As crazy as it sounds, Ramsay was one of my favorite characters. Every time he was on screen you were glued to your screen thinking what was he going to do and he was legitimately intimidating and creepy. Also he had a great aesthetic.
It was the stannis and little finger character assassination for me. I don't care about the other bs or plot derivation.
It's clear as day when the books ran out they did not have any idea how to write little finger, so they kept him off screen until his villain of the week episode
The Littlefinger thing was fricked. But the Stannis thing didn't piss me off. I liked when the enemy army was upon them and Stannis just draws his sword and waltzes into battle, kino. Also when he lets Brienne slay him, he knew he fricked up..is it moronic bullshit that Stannis killed his kid and didn't end up on the iron throne? Yes, but I never thought that was going to happen even though by divine right he's literally the rightful king of westeros.
That said, I thought for sure they were setting up Arya/Robert's bastard to be joint king and queen, as that dude was literally the rightful king by right now, but then they make bran the king for no reason when I'm sure he has better things to do, he would have even made a perfect kings hand, and that would have been a good political balance whereas putting the omnipotent raven man also in the most powerful position in government. But hey what do I know.
There is no “divine right” of anything, ever. If you have the bigger gun you take what you want. Stannis’ divine right came from Bobby B doing exactly that. Bobby’s came from his ancestors who did the same thing. That’s the entire point
2 years ago
Anonymous
No shit but I'm just saying by the lore of the land, yeah.
that's bullshit. Ramsay was a nothing character. He was basically a Walmart version of a well done type of character in Joffrey. He's not exactly complex in the books, but he's not the ridiculous eyeroll cringe edgelord that you see in the series. He's more of a disgusting little gay.
Again, you're not wrong but he was still cool. Not relative to an actually good series like the former seasons of GOT but he was entertaining, unlike Grayworm, Sand snakes, Arya, etc
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well, that's just your opinion. Him and his plot armor made me eyeroll every time when he was on the screen. Comparing him to the sand sneks and etc is just a lowbar and doesn't exactly make him a good character. Show Euron is equally as a moronic character of a similar vein.
I also would hardly say there was anything good after s4, especially not Ramsay.
I think that particular situation just called for it. Could 20 good men have taken kings landing? How? But sabotaging their food supplies and releasing the horses in the night while they were camped out in the woods was a cool move.
I mean, it was not. If it was that easy to sabotage an army's vital supplies, well, every war would be decided by 20 good men I guess. It was a cheap plot device to defeat Stannis because there was no other way to explain it.
A nothing character? He had good backstory, motivations, intelligence and his brutality was explained that he was a sadist. He was Jon's foil and another example of what happens when the wrong person is the heir to power, sadists like him exist even in modern times like Sadam Hussein's son. Joffrey was more of a nothing character.
What is his backstory? Care to explain it to me? I do not deny sadists exists, Joffrey was a sadist, but he was a well made character that actually seemed realistic and well thought out. Ramsay was a plot device for the vast majority of his screentime. The 20 good men, the shirtless shit, the way he "outsmarted" Roose, somehow gaining control of Winterfell and the Boltons despite being nothing more than a bastard. That's fricking plot driven nonsense, not a well written character
Ramsay in the books actually works because he is a little sadist that revels in the small things. He's more vile than Joffrey but that also makes him a bit of a simpleton and he has legit and major flaws. Roose is much more of a dangerous foe and that's logical because Roose is actually educated and calculating and he doesn't indulge in petty shit because it is of no benefit to him
2 years ago
Anonymous
His backstory is he's a bastard who's not supposed to exist and is seen as an afterthought even when he's the only child left. He is visibly extremely self conscious and bothered by this, arguably more than Jon. His sadism manifested at an early age and according to him people were all scared of him except Miranda (him feeding her to the dogs was stupid and edgelord I'll agree.) Now that there are wars going on he can prove himself to his dad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't remember his backstory ever being explored in the show. Being a bastard obviously bothered him but other than that he was pretty much blank. Personal ambitions? Motivations? Flaws? None of that even existed with this character. It was simply "im evil and a plot device".
Ramsay in the books is not all that complex, but you get his motivations, flaws, strength, his goal, etc. That's what makes a good character, regardless of whether he is good or evil.
2 years ago
Anonymous
As some other anon said, he exists to be a foil to Jon albeit a rather 2d one. The problem is that D&D are edgelords first and foremost and spent a lot of Ramsay's screentime having him torture people in multivarious ways when they could have been developing his character.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you want to hear him talk about him growing up it's in the scene where he finds Miranda's body. He actually has better motivations than Jon, on top of proving himself to his dad and the world which they share, he also sycophantically serves his house and wants to secure their future even when he's a bastard. Would you say Jon is "I'm good" and "I'm a plot device" because he seems like it more than Ramsay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jon is a shit character too but he isn't a cartoon character.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ramsay is cartoonishly evil at times but he is not a cartoon character.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Characterization is established by more than just backstory. Joffrey's best scenes are when he's interacting with Tywin, Cersei, Tyrion, and Margery. He's not just flaying every other person he meets.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol yeah Ramsay does kill everyone he talks to but Joffrey's scenes are just him being a brat in every conversation except the one with Tywin about the dragons. That's not really characterization after the first one.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Capeshitter cannot pick up on nuance
The scenes with Tywin where the bratty persona breaks have the best acting and writing in the entire show.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Okay true, but you couldn't pick up on the nuance of the few Ramsay characterization scenes where Roose chews him out and Ramsay gets nervous that his position is being threatened.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>recognize me, daddy
Literally shonen tier in its simplicity. Ramsey was entertaining but let's not pretend he was anything other than an anime villain.
2 years ago
Anonymous
A character just being evil isn't bad writing.
there are tons of those IRL so why couldn't Ramsay just be one of those monsters whose sole motivation in life is sadistic hedonism? sometimes people are just rotten
2 years ago
Anonymous
The bad writing is that Roose would ever trust him and suddenly be so surprised when Ramsay sticks a knife in him then kills wald and the baby. Roose was better when he was smart and hebwould have definitely seen something like that coming
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah that is bad writing. he should've sent him too the wall the second he got a new heir.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Littlefinger thing was fricked. But the Stannis thing didn't piss me off. I liked when the enemy army was upon them and Stannis just draws his sword and waltzes into battle, kino. Also when he lets Brienne slay him, he knew he fricked up..is it moronic bullshit that Stannis killed his kid and didn't end up on the iron throne? Yes, but I never thought that was going to happen even though by divine right he's literally the rightful king of westeros.
That said, I thought for sure they were setting up Arya/Robert's bastard to be joint king and queen, as that dude was literally the rightful king by right now, but then they make bran the king for no reason when I'm sure he has better things to do, he would have even made a perfect kings hand, and that would have been a good political balance whereas putting the omnipotent raven man also in the most powerful position in government. But hey what do I know.
I think the point of Bran becoming king is that it's actually bloodraven and he's been pulling a 4-D scheme to become king the same as Sheev from star wars
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's what they should've gone with but it's clear he's meant to be a good, honorable and altruistic king.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bloodraven would be a good King. Not an altruistic one, necessarily, but certainly utilitarian.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That makes sense in the book. If that was the intention of the show they completely butchered getting that point across if they even bothered to try at all
>walks AROUND the enemy gang into the CENTRE of the kennel where the gang previously was held out trying to rescue him >lets them walk OUT while he takes position INSIDE
huh
how the frick did this shot work
how did they end up there, when THEY arrived to kill them from OUTSIDE the kennel?
Sucked how they made him shirtless dual wield OP in this scene, then he gets his ass kicked effortlessly by Jon later. The battle between Jon and Carl was what the final fight been Jon and Ramsey should have been.
As crazy as it sounds, Ramsay was one of my favorite characters. Every time he was on screen you were glued to your screen thinking what was he going to do and he was legitimately intimidating and creepy. Also he had a great aesthetic.
Ramsay is when the show turned capeshit. the 20 good men was the supidest shit ever. and it's such a noteable departure since Ramsay is an idiot in the books, not some Gary Stu mustache twirling villain. That role would be much more suited to Roose
that's bullshit. Ramsay was a nothing character. He was basically a Walmart version of a well done type of character in Joffrey. He's not exactly complex in the books, but he's not the ridiculous eyeroll cringe edgelord that you see in the series. He's more of a disgusting little gay.
A nothing character? He had good backstory, motivations, intelligence and his brutality was explained that he was a sadist. He was Jon's foil and another example of what happens when the wrong person is the heir to power, sadists like him exist even in modern times like Sadam Hussein's son. Joffrey was more of a nothing character.
the fact that the so called mysterious 20 good men defeated a whole army by themselves. If Ramsay possesses such power, why didn't he unleash the 20 good men on Westeros and conquer it after?
I think that particular situation just called for it. Could 20 good men have taken kings landing? How? But sabotaging their food supplies and releasing the horses in the night while they were camped out in the woods was a cool move.
It just doesn’t make any sense. The whole army isn’t sleeping, they would obviously have guards posted up at important areas and scouts watching any routes into the camp. They could maybe take out a few guards or whatever but they couldn’t just buttfrick the entire logistics operation of an army with 20 guys
Unironically would be more successful with one assassin just killing Stannis
2 years ago
Anonymous
the fact that the so called mysterious 20 good men defeated a whole army by themselves. If Ramsay possesses such power, why didn't he unleash the 20 good men on Westeros and conquer it after?
Just a bunch of roman soldiers managed to sneak in, burned and sacked Pyrrhus camp during a battle (that he won), but the loss of supplies forced him to abandon his invasion of Rome: https://youtu.be/2QBA6ZPmj3Q?t=1797
The term "Pyrrhic Victory" came from this battle
>But sabotaging their food supplies and releasing the horses in the night while they were camped out in the woods was a cool move.
Doesn't make sense. It wouldn't work, as they would be stopped by guards. Stannis is a very good commander and a stern disciplinarian who wouldn't let the camp go unguarded. Furthermore, it's completely unnecessary for the story because Stannis' army could just run out of food and see their horses die without any outside force intervening.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It was dark and I got the implication that what Ramsay did was underhanded and not supposed to be done in wars so they really weren't expecting it. Similar to his strategy in the battle with Jon.
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Ramsay is when the show turned capeshit. the 20 good men was the supidest shit ever. and it's such a noteable departure since Ramsay is an idiot in the books, not some Gary Stu mustache twirling villain. That role would be much more suited to Roose
Ramsay was a better leader and tactician than Jon. It was his one redeeming quality that contextualized all of his ridiculous behavior with the trust his father and the Karstarks put in him.
The moment GoT never recovered from was Arya walking around like a moron even knowing she is being actively hunted for assassination, getting stabbed, falling in dirty israelitevos water, getting healed in one day, going on a LE EPIX chase scene, and somehow murdering the waif
I remember the cope when the episode aired of Arya walking around the city. Oh, it’s a trick and she wants to be spotted! Oh that’s actually Jaqen and he’s 5D chessing!
>webm
That is one of the worst things I've ever seen that's television and film related. I never watched this garbage, but the plot synopses of each episode reads like satire with how exaggerated the Black person worship is.
I've never understood why people praise the "golden age of cinema" so much - meaning, the age of cinema that started ~2000 with the Sopranos and so on. It's basically just old-school 1920s style pulp fiction, meaning antiheroes, sex, and violence to get people hooked plus plot twists and mystery boxes. It's not some cinematic masterpieces, it's just for the most part the TV show equivalent of slot machines.
Damn, you Ramseygays are unreal.
He's a terrible character. As the other anon said, he's a plot device. And his plot armor is ridiculous. He keeps failing upwards, he's doing the stupidest shit and keeps winning for no logical reasons. Book's Ramsey is tolerable, because you know he is a ticking bomb, who's poor decision making will sooner or later catch up with. He's, funnily enough, more human, than walking, talking, shirtless plot device, carefully designed for people to hate.
Oz probably owns a large percentage of those scenes.
>prisoner sodomizing his cellmate with a rusty spoon ('spooning') >guy on death row that douses a CO with a bucket of blood, pus, puke, shit and piss >several crucifixions >Beecher being such an unhinged edgelord that he bites of the tip of an aryan's penis by the start of the second season >Beecher knocking out J.K. Simmons so he can poo on his face in the gym room >J.K. Simmons ganging up with Christopher Meloni afterwards to break all of his limbs in the same gym room
Ramsay in the books isn't a cartoon and he's not just there to be edgy, he's a monster in gothic horror story.
First he tempts Theon to commit his worst evil and is complicit in Theon's downfall, and then in ADWD he's this monstrous presence mostly in the background like a ticking bomb not just for Theon but everybody in Winterfell. He's spends very little time actually on page so most everything you know about him comes secondhand. GRRM has written a lot of horror and he's very good at not over-explaining what's more effectively left to the reader's imagination.
The show of course tried to make all of what is implicit on the page explicitly shown, and it just didn't work as well. It's both needlessly gratuitous and also less scary
>making one of the main characters of your gay weepy family drama smoke crack at gunpoint until he's squatting with his pants down and spraying diarrhea in a dirty L.A. alley
yeah like half the thread turned into gay GOT discussion but it's either that or something else from sopranos.
chase was purposely just seeing what he could get away with half the time, especially the strip club stuff
I really like Iwan in the show, he's kinda half-noble half-brute peasant. The problem is that they turn him into the Joker. In the books, he does stuff like throw soldiers off the Winterfell walls into the snow when he catches them mocking him (which actually gives Mance the idea to save fakeArya, would have been a good scene in the show) not have superhuman fighting powers and planning abilities
Anyone else find it bizarre how this show can go from scenes like this to some sort of weird comedy to poorly cgi'd dragons destroying a castle without a plot?
It loses some girth in the cooking process. Kinda weird that Theon didn't have any little bastards running around. He was fricking everything that moved. Even the captain's daughter and his sister.
So, he cut his dick off? In the book he did it but in the series it was never clear
I'm so hyped for the Theon redemption arc after him being brought so low and turned into a subservient gremlin despised by all. The beginnings of his return in book IV were so nice to read.
Book V I mean.
The Reek > Theon arc is the best part of Book V. The Prince/Ghost of Winterfell chapters are the literally equivalent to kino. The "I should have died with Robb at the wedding" section was the best passage in the book.
It was made very clear in the show, they talk about it all the time.
>but in the series it was never clear
it was absolutely clear, they bring it up multiple times, across multiple seasons
Guess we’ll never know
homie you is moronic
Attention span and literacy: Toddler
other way around moron. in the book it isn't clear that he did it however, in the tv show yara and balon get sent theons dick
Yeah but what does it mean?
He out his dick in a box and sent it to his father. Then Euron taunts him about that.
In the show they beat you over the head with it. This is the closest you get to an admission in the book, we don't return to Theon's PoV until well after he's broken.
Damn I missed this, I thought the books never even really hinted at it. Seemed more like he was mentally broken.
Havent read the books in 7 years, what was his nickname again?
Stinky Pete
El Hermano del Loco
wasn't it reek or something like that
no it was ponce de leon, emphasis on ponce
reek? more like sneed ha
OH GOD what the frick why the frick did I read this
Other way around. It is not completely clear if Ransay did it. It is said but Theon himself never mentions it or cares about it.
Probably a way for Martin to not get cornered in case he wants Theon to still have a penis.
I would laugh my ass off if GRRM suddenly has Theon have a wiener in the next book (never to be released). Talk about a surprise twist. After all these years, pow! Theon's back and he's ready to frick!
You laugh but that would have huge implications. Theon forgets a lot of shit but suddenly he remembers. Like how he forgot the ironborn customs but didn't forget about Stannis' voice. Thats fricked up and probably is getting his mind messed with.
>Other way around. It is not completely clear if Ransay did it.
It would make more sense if the "other thing" was just a nipple or something. A much more survivable injury.
Just frick u anon honestly.
There's a fricking scene in which Theon tanks a kick in the groin with no effect because he has nothing to be kicked.
"It was never clear" my ass.
Which is dumb as frick since it implies whoever cut the dick off did such a good job of repairing it that Theon doesn't have complications like chronic pain or sensitivity.
Is GoT past season, dunno, 4. Of course is moronic.
>but in the series it was never clear
You wanted to see his dick getting sliced off didn't you
Ayo deadass bruh, do that mid dude Ramsey lowkey finna cut that mf dick off?
I'm not positive that's #1, but I'd strongly agree it's in the top 5.
Is he eating his penis?
Yeah, kinda gross. He has theon get hard with some bawds, then cuts off his dick, fries it up and starts muching on it. Then pops his testicles in his mouth one by one.
moronic. the blood would pore out and it would become soft again.
You gotta flash fry it before the blood leaks out. Get the pan nice and hot before hand.
how do you know that?
Probably extrapolating from experience cooking red meat. Probably.
armin miewes spoke at length on what can go wrong when you cook freshly cut wiener. specifically he got buttmad that pan-fried dick is tough as leather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes
>Right, pan, oil, nice and hot
>PENIS
>IN
That's very gay.
No, it was a pork sausage shaped like a penis.
Ramsay Bolton did it to mess with him.
Ramsay simply wanted to enjoy his breakfast.
[CRAWLING INTENSIFIES]
i'm sure there's something in Oz or Spawn: The Animated Series that's more edgelord
>Spawn
Yeah there's a lot of stuff they got it when Image was at it's bloodiest and hookeryist. That's a strong candidate to beat OP.
there's that guy in oz that gets gang raped for weeks by the aryan brotherhood then dies on barbed wire trying to escape being raped every day
it wasn't actually his dick tho?
But even the implication and they way that he is taunting him is disgusting. That scene is decidedly sexual.
What do you think he's some kind of savage?
>implication and they way that he is taunting him is disgusting
I agree. If you're going to forcibly retrain and cut a man's penis off, at least have the decency to be straightforward and civil about it.
retain*
Spoiler that shit, Jesus
damn i look like her except broader shoulders and less breasts because ima guy
You all know it was this shit right here, no one on his right mind could ever want to watch THAT
Brap
This fricking scene in Westworld. Completely unnecessary.
I was a longtime fan of the series until this scene. Dropped it and never looked back.
remind us
White woman drooling over a black penis.
you're assuming anybody watched this show to whatever point this is, lol.
All the big plot scenes surrounding that character were edgelord ridiculous. I don't blame the actor. It'd be really hard not to completely ham it up after reading the script. Same goes for a lot of the early Dothraki scenes, though I blame Momoa more for his part in those.
That scene when Ramsay walks into the kennels shirtless like it's Peaky fooking Blinders was the point the show jumped the shark for me.
Ser Twenty of House Goodmen
Game of Thrones even up to here still blows Muh Roicism Gang out of the water.
In fact, for me, the show ends when Hound jobs to Brienne of all people out of nowhere, huge drop in qual as most people know. That said, the rest of it is still kind of a guilty pleasure for me. Yeah, it sucked, but at least we didn't have to listen to any rants about how white people are bad and gender is fluid and all this other shit that everything is about regardless of what it is (resident evil lmfao).
You got Ramin Djwandi OST which automatically adds like 4 points/10 to anything, and to me nothing after the Hound getting raped was worse than that. Yeah, the sand snakes were unwatchable, the actors had their old Starbucks lying around in every scene, Greyworm gets an annoying amount of screen time for no reason, Arya lazily defeating NK, but who cares. Post-season 4 the quality of the show stays on par. Again, it sucked but really doesn't actually deserve all the hate it gets. Only the most fragile soibeards imaginable thought the show was ruined by the unhinged dragon queen using a dragon to burn everyone alive--didnt see that coming lol!!!
Ramsay gets too much hate too, he's FAR from the worst character on this show. I'd go as far to say that I like him. He's one of the few characters that is just cool the whole time and doesn't get humiliated/cucked in some way.
Ramsaychads fricking rise up.
It was the stannis and little finger character assassination for me. I don't care about the other bs or plot derivation.
It's clear as day when the books ran out they did not have any idea how to write little finger, so they kept him off screen until his villain of the week episode
The Littlefinger thing was fricked. But the Stannis thing didn't piss me off. I liked when the enemy army was upon them and Stannis just draws his sword and waltzes into battle, kino. Also when he lets Brienne slay him, he knew he fricked up..is it moronic bullshit that Stannis killed his kid and didn't end up on the iron throne? Yes, but I never thought that was going to happen even though by divine right he's literally the rightful king of westeros.
That said, I thought for sure they were setting up Arya/Robert's bastard to be joint king and queen, as that dude was literally the rightful king by right now, but then they make bran the king for no reason when I'm sure he has better things to do, he would have even made a perfect kings hand, and that would have been a good political balance whereas putting the omnipotent raven man also in the most powerful position in government. But hey what do I know.
There is no “divine right” of anything, ever. If you have the bigger gun you take what you want. Stannis’ divine right came from Bobby B doing exactly that. Bobby’s came from his ancestors who did the same thing. That’s the entire point
No shit but I'm just saying by the lore of the land, yeah.
Again, you're not wrong but he was still cool. Not relative to an actually good series like the former seasons of GOT but he was entertaining, unlike Grayworm, Sand snakes, Arya, etc
Well, that's just your opinion. Him and his plot armor made me eyeroll every time when he was on the screen. Comparing him to the sand sneks and etc is just a lowbar and doesn't exactly make him a good character. Show Euron is equally as a moronic character of a similar vein.
I also would hardly say there was anything good after s4, especially not Ramsay.
I mean, it was not. If it was that easy to sabotage an army's vital supplies, well, every war would be decided by 20 good men I guess. It was a cheap plot device to defeat Stannis because there was no other way to explain it.
What is his backstory? Care to explain it to me? I do not deny sadists exists, Joffrey was a sadist, but he was a well made character that actually seemed realistic and well thought out. Ramsay was a plot device for the vast majority of his screentime. The 20 good men, the shirtless shit, the way he "outsmarted" Roose, somehow gaining control of Winterfell and the Boltons despite being nothing more than a bastard. That's fricking plot driven nonsense, not a well written character
Ramsay in the books actually works because he is a little sadist that revels in the small things. He's more vile than Joffrey but that also makes him a bit of a simpleton and he has legit and major flaws. Roose is much more of a dangerous foe and that's logical because Roose is actually educated and calculating and he doesn't indulge in petty shit because it is of no benefit to him
His backstory is he's a bastard who's not supposed to exist and is seen as an afterthought even when he's the only child left. He is visibly extremely self conscious and bothered by this, arguably more than Jon. His sadism manifested at an early age and according to him people were all scared of him except Miranda (him feeding her to the dogs was stupid and edgelord I'll agree.) Now that there are wars going on he can prove himself to his dad.
I don't remember his backstory ever being explored in the show. Being a bastard obviously bothered him but other than that he was pretty much blank. Personal ambitions? Motivations? Flaws? None of that even existed with this character. It was simply "im evil and a plot device".
Ramsay in the books is not all that complex, but you get his motivations, flaws, strength, his goal, etc. That's what makes a good character, regardless of whether he is good or evil.
As some other anon said, he exists to be a foil to Jon albeit a rather 2d one. The problem is that D&D are edgelords first and foremost and spent a lot of Ramsay's screentime having him torture people in multivarious ways when they could have been developing his character.
If you want to hear him talk about him growing up it's in the scene where he finds Miranda's body. He actually has better motivations than Jon, on top of proving himself to his dad and the world which they share, he also sycophantically serves his house and wants to secure their future even when he's a bastard. Would you say Jon is "I'm good" and "I'm a plot device" because he seems like it more than Ramsay.
Jon is a shit character too but he isn't a cartoon character.
Ramsay is cartoonishly evil at times but he is not a cartoon character.
Characterization is established by more than just backstory. Joffrey's best scenes are when he's interacting with Tywin, Cersei, Tyrion, and Margery. He's not just flaying every other person he meets.
Lol yeah Ramsay does kill everyone he talks to but Joffrey's scenes are just him being a brat in every conversation except the one with Tywin about the dragons. That's not really characterization after the first one.
>Capeshitter cannot pick up on nuance
The scenes with Tywin where the bratty persona breaks have the best acting and writing in the entire show.
Okay true, but you couldn't pick up on the nuance of the few Ramsay characterization scenes where Roose chews him out and Ramsay gets nervous that his position is being threatened.
>recognize me, daddy
Literally shonen tier in its simplicity. Ramsey was entertaining but let's not pretend he was anything other than an anime villain.
A character just being evil isn't bad writing.
there are tons of those IRL so why couldn't Ramsay just be one of those monsters whose sole motivation in life is sadistic hedonism? sometimes people are just rotten
The bad writing is that Roose would ever trust him and suddenly be so surprised when Ramsay sticks a knife in him then kills wald and the baby. Roose was better when he was smart and hebwould have definitely seen something like that coming
yeah that is bad writing. he should've sent him too the wall the second he got a new heir.
I think the point of Bran becoming king is that it's actually bloodraven and he's been pulling a 4-D scheme to become king the same as Sheev from star wars
That's what they should've gone with but it's clear he's meant to be a good, honorable and altruistic king.
Bloodraven would be a good King. Not an altruistic one, necessarily, but certainly utilitarian.
That makes sense in the book. If that was the intention of the show they completely butchered getting that point across if they even bothered to try at all
>bloodraven
Its the tree
>walks AROUND the enemy gang into the CENTRE of the kennel where the gang previously was held out trying to rescue him
>lets them walk OUT while he takes position INSIDE
huh
how the frick did this shot work
how did they end up there, when THEY arrived to kill them from OUTSIDE the kennel?
Sucked how they made him shirtless dual wield OP in this scene, then he gets his ass kicked effortlessly by Jon later. The battle between Jon and Carl was what the final fight been Jon and Ramsey should have been.
Same, dude. And this is IMMEDIATELY after the Hound has his scene talking about how important armor and a big sword are.
The spooning episode of OZ
Is it gay to put a dick in your mouth when it's no longer attached to a man?
Wouldn't you die of urine infection without a penis?
Remember that time Jazz Jenning's colon fell off and his urethra was dangling around?
what the FRICK did you just say and why do you know this
t.newbie
anon, it's the same show where arya got stabbed repeteadly in the guts, fell into a river full of dirty water, then she was fine a few days later
As crazy as it sounds, Ramsay was one of my favorite characters. Every time he was on screen you were glued to your screen thinking what was he going to do and he was legitimately intimidating and creepy. Also he had a great aesthetic.
Ramsay is when the show turned capeshit. the 20 good men was the supidest shit ever. and it's such a noteable departure since Ramsay is an idiot in the books, not some Gary Stu mustache twirling villain. That role would be much more suited to Roose
You're not wrong but it wasn't Ramsay that ruined the show. He was one of the only reasons to bother continue watching it.
that's bullshit. Ramsay was a nothing character. He was basically a Walmart version of a well done type of character in Joffrey. He's not exactly complex in the books, but he's not the ridiculous eyeroll cringe edgelord that you see in the series. He's more of a disgusting little gay.
A nothing character? He had good backstory, motivations, intelligence and his brutality was explained that he was a sadist. He was Jon's foil and another example of what happens when the wrong person is the heir to power, sadists like him exist even in modern times like Sadam Hussein's son. Joffrey was more of a nothing character.
What was wrong with 20 good men?
the fact that the so called mysterious 20 good men defeated a whole army by themselves. If Ramsay possesses such power, why didn't he unleash the 20 good men on Westeros and conquer it after?
I think that particular situation just called for it. Could 20 good men have taken kings landing? How? But sabotaging their food supplies and releasing the horses in the night while they were camped out in the woods was a cool move.
It just doesn’t make any sense. The whole army isn’t sleeping, they would obviously have guards posted up at important areas and scouts watching any routes into the camp. They could maybe take out a few guards or whatever but they couldn’t just buttfrick the entire logistics operation of an army with 20 guys
Unironically would be more successful with one assassin just killing Stannis
Just a bunch of roman soldiers managed to sneak in, burned and sacked Pyrrhus camp during a battle (that he won), but the loss of supplies forced him to abandon his invasion of Rome: https://youtu.be/2QBA6ZPmj3Q?t=1797
The term "Pyrrhic Victory" came from this battle
>But sabotaging their food supplies and releasing the horses in the night while they were camped out in the woods was a cool move.
Doesn't make sense. It wouldn't work, as they would be stopped by guards. Stannis is a very good commander and a stern disciplinarian who wouldn't let the camp go unguarded. Furthermore, it's completely unnecessary for the story because Stannis' army could just run out of food and see their horses die without any outside force intervening.
It was dark and I got the implication that what Ramsay did was underhanded and not supposed to be done in wars so they really weren't expecting it. Similar to his strategy in the battle with Jon.
You know they reference "(x) amount of good men " several times throughout the show
Ramsay was a better leader and tactician than Jon. It was his one redeeming quality that contextualized all of his ridiculous behavior with the trust his father and the Karstarks put in him.
Not crazy at all the guy was so in to in his role it was hard not to like him.
The Boltons were the last thing to make the show tolerable. After they died, it was only one or two actors left worth watching.
The moment GoT never recovered from was Arya walking around like a moron even knowing she is being actively hunted for assassination, getting stabbed, falling in dirty israelitevos water, getting healed in one day, going on a LE EPIX chase scene, and somehow murdering the waif
I remember the cope when the episode aired of Arya walking around the city. Oh, it’s a trick and she wants to be spotted! Oh that’s actually Jaqen and he’s 5D chessing!
Jamie murdering his cousin in season 2. That was baffling and inhumane and completely unnecessary.
Chaosh ish a ladder. Maybe not the true edgiest, but it was a big warning signal for the rest of the series.
I would also like to nominate every scene in Watchmen.
This casting is like something out of Saturday Night Live skit. Just pure shit lol
>webm
That is one of the worst things I've ever seen that's television and film related. I never watched this garbage, but the plot synopses of each episode reads like satire with how exaggerated the Black person worship is.
Between this and Matrix 4 I'm convinced this man is the most overhyped actor of our time
Since Osterman is actually white, he's basically wearing black face.
I've never understood why people praise the "golden age of cinema" so much - meaning, the age of cinema that started ~2000 with the Sopranos and so on. It's basically just old-school 1920s style pulp fiction, meaning antiheroes, sex, and violence to get people hooked plus plot twists and mystery boxes. It's not some cinematic masterpieces, it's just for the most part the TV show equivalent of slot machines.
every goddamn character in this piece of garbage show is always smugging and smirking. why? it was always shit, it was always reddit
Damn, you Ramseygays are unreal.
He's a terrible character. As the other anon said, he's a plot device. And his plot armor is ridiculous. He keeps failing upwards, he's doing the stupidest shit and keeps winning for no logical reasons. Book's Ramsey is tolerable, because you know he is a ticking bomb, who's poor decision making will sooner or later catch up with. He's, funnily enough, more human, than walking, talking, shirtless plot device, carefully designed for people to hate.
The Bolton's are just a meme house in the show.
Oz probably owns a large percentage of those scenes.
>prisoner sodomizing his cellmate with a rusty spoon ('spooning')
>guy on death row that douses a CO with a bucket of blood, pus, puke, shit and piss
>several crucifixions
>Beecher being such an unhinged edgelord that he bites of the tip of an aryan's penis by the start of the second season
>Beecher knocking out J.K. Simmons so he can poo on his face in the gym room
>J.K. Simmons ganging up with Christopher Meloni afterwards to break all of his limbs in the same gym room
etc.
Don't forget Christopher Meloni spreading his butthole.
Ramsay in the books isn't a cartoon and he's not just there to be edgy, he's a monster in gothic horror story.
First he tempts Theon to commit his worst evil and is complicit in Theon's downfall, and then in ADWD he's this monstrous presence mostly in the background like a ticking bomb not just for Theon but everybody in Winterfell. He's spends very little time actually on page so most everything you know about him comes secondhand. GRRM has written a lot of horror and he's very good at not over-explaining what's more effectively left to the reader's imagination.
The show of course tried to make all of what is implicit on the page explicitly shown, and it just didn't work as well. It's both needlessly gratuitous and also less scary
Also the Boltons are a skinchanging vampire clan
I'd love an animated ASOIAF series where they can explore stuff like this more
there's an entire episode of Six Feet Under where one of the main characters is methodically tortured by a hitchhiker
>making one of the main characters of your gay weepy family drama smoke crack at gunpoint until he's squatting with his pants down and spraying diarrhea in a dirty L.A. alley
yeah this one has to be up there
and he was being tortured by some seth green lookalike mofo too
humiliating
I thought it WAS Seth Green since he's in everything somewhere
Melfi's rape in Sopranos
yeah like half the thread turned into gay GOT discussion but it's either that or something else from sopranos.
chase was purposely just seeing what he could get away with half the time, especially the strip club stuff
a fat mobster getting the sneak up on anyone
This scene in the Pacific where that guys throwing rocks inside
Ramsay was terrifying in the books. He's like a big psycho moron. This guy just looks like an evil Frodo.
I really like Iwan in the show, he's kinda half-noble half-brute peasant. The problem is that they turn him into the Joker. In the books, he does stuff like throw soldiers off the Winterfell walls into the snow when he catches them mocking him (which actually gives Mance the idea to save fakeArya, would have been a good scene in the show) not have superhuman fighting powers and planning abilities
I think this guy was perfect, precisely because he looks so weird and simultaneously babyish and menacing. It's really offputting and disturbing.
Keller spreading his butthole. Please be reasonable janny, it's spoilered and pertinent to the thread.
Anyone else find it bizarre how this show can go from scenes like this to some sort of weird comedy to poorly cgi'd dragons destroying a castle without a plot?
The scene is from season 3 or 4 and dragons don't destroy any castles until the finale. Also the books are like that, lot's of funny moments.
S1-S6 GoT and S7-S8 GoT are two entirely different shows
Kind of thin but that’s a nice length of penis.
It loses some girth in the cooking process. Kinda weird that Theon didn't have any little bastards running around. He was fricking everything that moved. Even the captain's daughter and his sister.
Wholesome.
Also I ain't even gay but dat ramsey guy is a good looken mfer fr fr no cap.
gayass
Why the Ramsay actor never tried to move on the Miranda actress in real life is one of the great unanswered questions.