The general image of Spider-Man I grew up with was an anti-social loner, despite his empathetic side, and even when he was married and more social, he wasn’t on any teams like the Avengers and everyone still kind of hated him. His internal sense of justice would make him too self-absorbed and stand-offish to keep many connections.
Now he apparently is on the Avengers, is best friends with Iron Man, has an entire Spider-Family of counterpart heroes, had his own multibillion dollar company, what the frick?
It seems that the friendly Stan Lee side of the character finally trumped the misanthropic Ditko attributes
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Spider-man was always a normie. In the meta sense of being one of the most popular comic characters. And in community as well by being well adjusted, multiple girls lusting for him, getting along great with employers and peers, and good in social situations.
The idea that he was some school shooter in the making is just projection.
You havent read spider man and are a moron
Peter's tall and handsome. That gets one far in life.
>Peter's tall
He's canonically like 5'8", right?
Nope. 5'11.
So he's not tall then?
He's 5'10. Isn't that above average?
Isn't that THE average?
The US average is 5'7.
maybe in a poor nutrition latino village.
sadly nutrition plays little roll in that
bro-science will say otherwise I'm sure
the average height in NA is 5'9
5'11's just one inch shy of 6ft. He's taller than most people already. In fact, a lot of 5'11s just lie and say they're 6ft since most people can't tell the difference.
You havent read spider man
Stfu.. Peter being some anti-social psycho is overblown to hell, and it was only the case for the first few issues, and basically gone completely by the time Ditko left. He was a chad with a friend circle, fricking all kinds of hot chicks and working with the whole Superhero community for decades.
The one thing you can give him is that he had some romances, but he was always fricking up with work and his friendships
And being antisocial and unable to fit in doesn't automatically make him "school shooter"-tier. Sure he wasn't as antisocial as the Ditko era but he was consistently too insecure to be more successful socially
>antisocial
>you keep using that word
>i dont think you know what it means
>jumps to the clinical disorder definition
This is what is wrong with your fricked up generation. Just immediately jumping to some kind of DSM-5 mental illness diagnosis instead of going off the basic casual definition of antisocial which is "not sociable". Being unable to fit in doesn't mean you are pathologically fricked up to that level
you're just a moron coping about being wrong lol this is why you won't make it good day
"this generation" Black person take a hint
Yes he fricked up and had missteps... thats just being human rather than a gary stu who can do no wrong.
He just had regular insecurities and a small social circle. He grew to be respected in heroics as well. If you want a more loser style hero, Booster Gold would be a better comparison and even he doesn't fit antisocial.
>He just had regular insecurities and a small social circle
Didn't he join many of the majority of teams in marvel, made friends with all the top heroes and always was the guy to rely on in street level matters with other heroes? That's not small in the least.
Thats why I separate Peter from his spidy heroics. His spider self was quite different from Peter and a lot of the people he met in his cape life didn't cross over into his civilian side directly.
Pete was best described as quiet dude with a soap opera love life.
Spidy more a jabber jaw that was pretty much the heart of the super hero community once you got to know him.
>Thats why I separate Peter from his spidy heroics. His spider self was quite different from Peter and a lot of the people he met in his cape life didn't cross over into his civilian side directly.
Isn't that like, every superhero in existence?
Some supers act exactly the same in and out of costume, they don't suffer much from identity crisis.
>His spider self was quite different from Peter
Nope.
I like b***hy tsundere Gwen, she's fun.
i like live action japanese spiderman
you do?
This art is fascinating to me because you can just TELL that this person is asian and doesn't know how to properly draw white people. they seem to be confused about the way our eyelids work
>why doesn't everyone project on this brand the same way I do?, are they stupid?
>normie
He was always just a normal relatable dude for the average person you fat frick
Hes a normal dude except when hes a 200 iq chick magnet out of nowhere lol. I guess hes more like the average self insert anime harem protag then most think
Nah, dude's just tall and handsome.
He's a short stack even compared to other heroes like Cap and even Daredevil.
Because artists keep on forgetting that he's supposed to be 5'11 and because they draw him as 1610 Spidey instead of the proper 616 version.
Exactly, he's the self-insert white protagonist guy made to appeal to nerds.
Why do they all look like fricked up simulacrums of jaoquin pheonix, especially gwen
>anti-social loner
You the mean the guy with a dozen girlfriends and was married for a long ass time? The guy that still managed to go to parties and talked to all sorts of people? The same one that, despite having crippling anxiety and guilt at times, would be full of confidence and have no trouble having conversations with anyone? That guy?
>Now he apparently is on the Avengers, is best friends with Iron Man, has an entire Spider-Family of counterpart heroes, had his own multibillion dollar company, what the frick?
A lot of this has happened in the 2010s, 2000s, and earlier. He's been on some Avengers team many times and was even part of the Future Foundation.
Spider-Man was never anti social, he was built on nerd rage against the world fantasy and had gotten powers to be the ultimate popular kid that dated hot chick's and teamed up with all the world's greatest heroes and anti heroes even being their best friend to some. The new Spidey just says away from Peter being a loner and knows that's how he stays popular if he's showcased as a socially active person because he's literally the mascot of the company and is named the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Honestly the concept of being a character driven hero who develops with others is more popular than the character himself, kinda like Batman but less depressing and grimdark.
>The general image of Spider-Man I grew up with was an anti-social loner, despite his empathetic side
This hasn't been the case for over 40 years. Peter just started out with a bad case of nerd rage but mellowed out after the first few years of publication
Besides, Spider-Man has always been popular with normies, just like Batman and Superman
Into the 90s the cape community viewed Spider-Man as a hothead and a creep. Got rejected by Avengers multiple times.
Spider-Man was wanted by the police and viewed as a criminal for years over the deaths of Gwen and Norman. Would constantly break up friendships over his insecurity of the danger of being Spider-Man His best friend hated him and tried to kill him multiple times.
He wasn't as maladjusted as the Ditko era but he was an isolated and neurotic guy. He just has such a likable personality that it is easy to miss
As others pointed out, he was on the future foundation. Recognized in the hero community as being helpful. Annoying but had a good heart. At times rejected the Avengers do to their no pay policy.
The Gwen and JJJ stuff is part of the drama hook, but not really a sign that he is/isn't a normie.
>future foundation
>fist appearance in the 2010s
bro im talking about spider-man from the 60s through the 90s. 2010s is a different marvel universe at that point
Eh I'm having brain fart and mixing up new fantastic four.
>viewed as annoying but had a good heart
This is like the gay post-2000s reddit quips interpretation of the character
>Into the 90s the cape community viewed Spider-Man as a hothead and a creep
This is just not remotely true. Actually read his comics for once.
>Into the 90s the cape community viewed Spider-Man as a hothead
Because he was. Dude used to fight other heroes just because. OG Spidey had a really bad temper and would lose it if he thought someone was talking shit about him.
You morons really read the like first 3 issues of Amazing and think that's what the character did for the next like 30 years, huh.
To be fair, nobody reads comics and almost every media adaption starts in high school Then continues for 80% of the seasons put out.
No one's implying that. The point is that was his initial characterization, and that his depiction in the movies is a huge departure from it.
You dumb frick, he became a reserve Avenger during the early 90s.
That's why it said "into the 90s"
You moron can't even read
>Into the 90s the cape community viewed Spider-Man as a hothead and a creep. Got rejected by Avengers multiple times.
You didn't read comics and it shows, you hackfraud
>I know about comic book Spider-man from the internet, the post.
Miles should be the team Spider-Man, then he'd be good for something.
It might help if you had actually read the comics, moron. Spidey has always been friendly and well regarded in the superhero circle. It's the normies that are unsure if he's shit or not.
His best human friend was the human torch who was really a frenemy for years. Spider-Man had an entire team-up series in the 70s but the general character arc of those times was "We don't really know about this Spider-Man guy personally but we don't like him"
No seriously, read the actual comics. This idea that everyone hated him or even disliked him is utter bullshit. I was just reading some Avengers from the 80s / 90s where he teamed up with them and he was paling around with both Thor and Captain America.
Yeah, I have read the actual comics. Why do you think I made this thread? Obviously it wasn't a specific focus in every issue there was a team-up but was a running thread of the character. There was an in-universe reason Spider-Man was never on any teams.
This thread is full of zoomers who grew up on the Ultimate version of the character, maybe read some Ditko issues so they could say "wow Spider-Man was this really edgy objectivist Ditko self-insert, good thing he mellowed out right afterward when Romita came and he has been the same chucklefrick since then, people just think he remained like the ditko character!"
You're a fricking moron AND you're a moron whose confident despite being just wrong. Pathetic.
Pete used to have a temper, he wasn’t “stand offish” it’s just that he had a mouth on him and would take the snap back a bit to personally. Most of the heros didn’t know much about him simply because he wasn’t in teams, but the team ups they had with him showed them who he really was. It was only Wasp that had some weird hate boner for pete and that was just Stan’s weird idea of a joke about “spiders and wasps being natural enemies” despite the fact that Janet never had wasp specific powers and it was just a name at the time
>was only Wasp that had some weird hate boner for pete and that was just Stan’s weird idea of a joke
Again we can see that the zoomers in this thread only know about Stan/Ditko era Spider-Man
I’ve read more spider-man than you and the only character I can think of that matches you description of petes relationship with other hero’s is Iron man who didn’t really trust him until their third team up or so. But most other hero’s got along with him after their first scuffle, he’ll torch liked spidey generally but they were both teen hero’s and got on each others nerves to the point they didn’t actually become friends until the 70s despite them being paired together almost as much as spidey and daredevil (who ALWAYS liked Pete AND spidey since their first meetings)
>It was only Wasp that had some weird hate boner for pete
Maybe she didn't like the vibe he gave off. Some people just don't gel well together, and dislike one another because of it. That's reality.
She stopped hating him by the 70s
>he wasn’t “stand offish
>but has a mouth on him and projected himself as a insufferable prick with a jerky punk kid wise ass who acts like a bully but with snark and spider powers
Being "Stand Offish" means you stand off. Keep your distance. Pete was just kind of an butthole.
>The general image of Spider-Man I grew up with was an anti-social loner,
You have never read a spider-man comic
>antisocial loner but has a smoking hot wife
>even when not with her always has another hottie on his dick
>Not having a girl for every day of the month on your dick
What are you, a school shooter in the making anon?
gwen really is a troon huh
Spider-Man has been an honorary member of the Fantastic Four for over 50 years.
Spider-Man has been a married, mostly responsible adult for almost 40 years.
Spider-Man has had teenage spider-themed orbiters for almost 30 years.
Spider-Man has been an Avenger for over 20 years.
I assume you're a boomer. In that case, get over it, grandpa.
>Spider-Man has been an honorary member of the Fantastic Four for over 50 years.
What crack are you smoking?
Spider-Man is for college-aged tumblr gays to make OCs and spidersonas of now. They gotta be heckin' wholesome goofy comfort characters instead of going through any hardship or trials, they can have no real flaws. The worst tragedy these homosexuals can imagine is being afraid of being a parent (growing up) or bring disliked for being black so that's the depth of the storyteling now and why you won't see anything interesting going on.
tumblr users like watching their favorite characters suffer more than any other demographic
it's because most of them are women
seriously, chicks fricking get off on sufferporn. the shit they wrote for supernatural was ghastly. torture, rape, angst, like what the actual frick is wrong with them
He's more marketable as a normie.
Reminder: OG Peter didn't become a hero right after Ben died. In fact, he still tried to make money off of Spider-Man to help Aunt May with the bills. All that went to shit once Jameson started up his smear campaign. He even contemplated robbing a bank but decided against it because he didn't want to break his aunt's heart and maybe give her a heart attack. Dude didn't even save Jameson's son out of the kindness of his heart, but to fix his reputation to earn some dough again. He even thought he'd get a lot of praise for it and even a key to the city. Unfortunately for him, Jameson doubled down and made him look like a total fraud.
Peter initially only cared about himself and his family. He focused on his education because he was pushed into it by them, and because he wanted to pay them back for all that they've done for him. Dude buried himself in his academics for them, and was finally able to be himself and have a social life ironically after he became Spider-Man.
I don't know that seems pretty fricking cynical, if it was purely about "If I save JJJj, then Hitlerstache will have to lighten up on me" then Stan would've definitely overexplained that in a thought bubble, instead Pete only reasonably assumed that JJJ would see he wasn't a menace. People want to chuck Pete under the bus as some irredeemable incel that got mischaracterized into being a good person rather than ultimately a frustrated teenager who grew the frick up. They're just as bad as Raimi reducing him to too an awkard nerd who's never had a negative thought in his life.
It doesn't make him an irredeemable incel, dude. Contrary to popular belief, but most people do only care for themselves and their family/friends. It doesn't make you a heinous individual. It just makes you a regular fricking person.
False. While he still seek to make money out of his heroics, he drew the line at commiting crimes. He also saved John because he knew no one else could at the moment.
Its like seeking ways to support your family doesn't prevent you from being a decent guy!
Spider-man's black section kind looks purple.
The purple highlights are there to simulate lighting.
I kinda like it, it make the red pop out more.
Yeah like I said, that seems awfully cynical a take of you, Pete just assumed that people would rightfully see he wasn't some menace but he only jumped into save JJJj because he was the only one who could stop it.
>that seems awfully cynical a take of you
Or maybe you're just too idealistic. He expected praise and adoration from the save.
He expected not to be despised let alone by the guy whose son he saved. That's not unreasonable.
No, dude. Read the dialogue.
I did anon, he expected a fuss over the rescue he'd just done and thought he could perform again now that he'd proven he wasn't a menace....it didn't work.
Why are they smiling at me so creepily? Are they gonna gangrape me?
I love how you complain about all these things as signs of the character becoming more normie but NOT about Spider-Man getting married. In fact, you probably complain about that being undone. So which is it?
>The general image of Spider-Man I grew up with was an anti-social loner
Are you fricking moronic?
>he wasn’t on any teams like the Avengers and everyone still kind of hated him
spider-man has been an avenger, a defender, he lead 2/3rds of all marvel-team ups, he is a family friend of the fantastic 4
he is a "loner" in the same sense as wolverine
>defenders
What? For an issue or two? I feel like this is an insincere defense. He is the biggest character in Marvel and not a psychopath, he will have positive interactions and get lots of crossovers. Nobody remembers Marvel Team-Up having a substantial affect on Spider-Man's character. The character arc is that he is a loner, preferring to stick to himself
>The character arc is that he is a loner, preferring to stick to himself
Not anymore.
Peter was never an anti-social loner, he is however a bully-in-denial.
Unironic incels, the kind that call you an incel online for not wanting to date a prostitute (all of reddit), became writers for Marvel and started self-inserting as Spider-Man, hence why he suddenly became a super chad and every b***h in the land wanted his wiener despite him being a nerdy outcast with only one love interest at the start.
Giving a frick about your education doesn't make one nerdy. Being a sperg and devoting your life to anime and video games makes you nerdy.
>Giving a frick about your education doesn't make one nerdy.
It was back in 1960 something.
Peter was always a geek in his origin, its what made him compelling. Nowadays he's just a wish fulfillment for losers who self-insert as him.
Spidey hasnt been good since they stopped writing him as israelite-coded
He was always a normie. He just grew up in a era where being a nerd is uncool and he had a bad temper.
All those change in personality were made to make the bullying more believable.
Ditko Peter as-is nowadays would be decently popular and wouldn't even be seen as a nerd by his peers. There's a world of difference between a guy like him and your typical weeb in high school.
God, I fricking hate ITSV Gwen's stupid tooth gap. And that picture just makes it look even worse. It's not a cute feature, it just makes her look like Alfred E Neuman.
It started with Sony's original Spider-Man films
You don't want to accept it, but this is the truth, Tobey was the first step in softening and normalizing Spider-Man's image
>if I can't be happy, no one can be happy
>stop being happier than me
>stop it stop it stoooop iiiiit
Why is this art so .... ugly. Why is Holland so feminine?
Did they ever specify the species of the spider that bit Peter?
I would go for a jumping spider myself https://a-z-animals.com/blog/jumping-spiders-5-incredible-facts/
If they did I imagine they unintentionally retconned it as many times as it was mentioned.
Spidey was only really an butthole in high school. By the time he started collage (aka issue fricking 28) he had more or less chilled out. That's why people are calling the guys who think that high school characterization stretched for like 30 years are dumb
In 90% of media he's always portrayed as friendly with at least couple of friend an one love interest.
>but muh 1953 issue made by homosexual McEdge showed him being lonely
This is why american comic industry is shit, every comic changes autors every few months and then you get a homosexual OP who gets hung on one iteration of the character where he can self insert the most
I unironically wish every author's Spider-Man was treated as a different continuity, kinda like the movies.
This thread really goes to show that people on this board are only really aware of Ditko Spider-Man and modern tumblr nu-Spider-Man.
Like you people realize there is a middleground?
Yeah and the media is watered down.
We aren't talking about Ditko incel anger, we are just talking about generally being a loner and neurotic.
>Like you people realize there is a middleground?
Pic related's Romita Spidey. Him having a bad temper was an actual part of his character and wasn't exclusive to Ditko.
Lee-Romita's pretty much pick up directly from the Lee-Dikto era.
This went on after the Romita era.
Also, that time when Peter was just being a dick to Thor for no reason. Thor didn't even know he was Spider-Man, and was confused as shit.
He was in a bad mood
>Just saved a girl from getting mugged
>Girl doesn't even thank him then runs off
>Peter feels dejected
>Thor is just chilling on a fire escape laughing at him
>Yeah and the media is watered down
the frick do you mean by that you fricking autist, if character has one personality 90% of the time then that's the status quo, you b***hing about spiderman not being an incel depressed homosexual, is the same if someone said that evil superman is one true superman, and he doesn't like the good superman
>a couple seasons of cartoons and a couple of movies outweigh decades of comics
lol based zoomer addled brain
90s was almost 40 years ago putting the team player interpretations and other media on par 60-80s comics.
There is a reason people are having to pull fricking strips from when technicolor was popular to prove their point.
>90s was almost 40 years ago
your math is way off lol
I always hate how fanart refuses to show Noir's face
Just read comics dude dont just b***h. None of that shit is happening and if you don't find out this info (fictional character history) from reading why would you care? Fricking video game gay I imagine
Peter was mistrusted by most heroes until his actions started to speak of his character. Logan, Cap, Daredevil all think very highly of him.Daredevil most of all, given the recent run.
His history with the F4 and X-Men have him as a trusted confidant (when it's fricking written correctly), but those are very tight knit closed off groups. The Avengers are a team he never got along with proper, and he was never a team player, outside of his temper and attitude.
Him being on the New Avengers and Avengers is frankly an out of character move but it shows progression for his rep and character... if not for it being alongside the Bendis-born "Everyone thinks Spidey is annoying" tripe. Because with that his stature as an Avenger is still portrayed as "Why the frick do we tolerate this goober?"
As for why he's becoming such a diluted normie and losing his foundational characterizations... blame secondaries and tourists who only know the character from newer cartoons and movies. He is not a saint, not an uwu gudboi twinkmode do gooder.His first inkling was to use his powers for selfish reasons, and love of family, and Life kicked him in the ass for it.
He is prone to anger, has pride in himself and all he has done, and snaps back when he gets disrespected.
His own clones show his natural inclination to be bad because they've now ALL turned bad. His own origin shows he wouldn't have cared had Ben not died. Peter is not perfect, he is a flawed man who tries to do good to do right by and honor the people who raised him. To struggle against his baser and ustifiable desires so others would not get harmed as his loved ones did when he did nothing.
And when the world shits on him for trying to be good, he gets angry. When they mistrust and disrespect him for trying to be a good man, he gets an attitude. He gets reclusive, thus his attitude and lack of team playing early on. They don't like him? Fine, he doesn't need them. He's made it this far on his own, and he's never needed them before.
Which is why him being on so many teams is odd. His foundational moments and hardest battles were fought alone or with one or two trusted allies. Not a team. He is not a team player, and it cheapens his struggle to make him one imo.
>snaps back when he gets disrespected
And what he perceives as disrespect.
Realistically, OG Pete would've definitely killed the burglar and not just leave him for the cops.
I read all of ASM from 1963-2007 or so a while back. The big transition for me of Peter becoming a moralgay boyscout is during the Shooter era. Specifically the issue where him and Daredevil have different perspectives on how to stop the Kingpin and Daredevil goes as far as wearing a Kingpin costume to stop Spider-Man's "naive approach" on fighting crime. From here on out across the decades Spider-Man would gradually become more and more a wholesome goody two shoes that culminates in Slott's "No One Dies!" and having an unspoken no kill rule.
So it just came out of nowhere.
Pretty much. The infamous Maximum Carnage is the other point of no return where they push Spider-Man being a moralgay who will do things "above the board" even though realistically he should be stopping Carnage by any means necessary and has went to such lengths in the past. This is the same character who would team up with the Punisher as long as Punisher didn't kill when helping him but the most he could muster when Punisher killed on his own is "I don't agree with your methods!"
Did Slott want to write for Batman that badly?
Probably or ran out of Spider-Man ideas given he does so much to make Spider-Man as not Spider-Man as possible with Superior, Parker Industries, ect...
Don called it.
Robbie is literally me in every spider thread these days
Peter has never been anti-social. In fact, he's always tried to be social and liked by his peers. I think that you're confusing anti-social with struggles to make friends.
In high school, Peter was the bullied nerd. Being picked on meant that no one wanted to socialize with him--not the other way around. The slight attitude that he developed was in response to that and it's something that he tried to grow beyond when he saw that it wasn't leading him down a path that he was proud of.
As an adult, Peter seems anti-social only because he's always struggled to maintain his personal relationships due to his secret identity. And when he disappoints his friends while out being Spider-Man, they distance themselves from him leading to further isolation. Also, Peter still carries some of that "I won't be the kid who gets bullied again" attitude with him. This is kind of why he tends to be flippant with the "jocks" and popular kids of the super-hero world.
Peter was like that as a kid.
>The general image of Spider-Man I grew up with was an anti-social loner
Well you're fricking wrong. Peter always had difficulty juggling his friends/responsibilities, but he still had a social circle. The frick kind of nonsense are you spewing?
I've come to realize that Spider-Man fans are fricking awful because none of you can seem to agree what the frick the material is, likely projecting your own wants/headcanon on the character after decades of storytelling
>projecting your own wants/headcanon on the character after decades of storytelling
To be fair, so are the writers working on these comics.
Said writers are total losers in the real world.
He used to be made to appeal to the comic crowd, now he's made to appeal to mainstream movie and cartoon crowd that likes to think of themselves of "alternative" in some way.