when you're a bunch of autist nerds making meme animations on youtube suddenly starts blowing up don't go corporate. Don't suddenly think you can rent an office building, hire staff, buy the latest computers and rent the latest technology and think that's going to do anything.
Usually when people watch your stuff it's because it's funny and full of sovl. Then when you try to turn into a business you get swallowed up by the corporate world, you're forced to overwork your 'animators' and editors AND under pay them to make the office building's ever increasing rent.
Not to mention your sponsors/overlords start wanting more from you since THEY too require growth and deadlines and eventually you are devoured by the very thing you swore to be better than.
I'd say it's in this ball park, especially when looking at similar examples like Game Grumps.
I'm noticing now the big trend with every "Youtube turned mainstream" personality has their fate decided the more and more they pressure themselves to go "legit."
You can rag on RTs writing but the reality is it was a complete failure to run the business end of a giant "legit" corporation while maintaining their original appeal."
Granted, another lesson is "be as parasocial as possible towards your audience to maintain brand loyalty" given just how much shit they've weathered at this point
Not yet, but they are close to doing so, their only series and product failed horribly, there have been massive layoffs and the new head of Warner is willing to cut off the head of anyone he does not consider useful.
Dead.
Expect 10 to 20 years from now it to be viewed as a "unfinished classic", and either get a final movie or reboot; but it's dead for the foreseeable future.
Don't coast. They were top of the line back in the Machinima days but never really got better, especially after Monty passed. Their actual shows were short and low quality but got away with it due to the excuse of being an "indie" studio, despite having hundreds of staff and over a decade of experience. Their live action movie, Laser Team I think it was, looked like a student fan film. These days we know what's possible from actual small indie teams like Glitch of Spindlehorse, so the level of content produced by this giant experienced WB owned studio is simply inexcusable.
>betray their origins and style. >never improve or hire people who are really competent in their work. >never take business administration classes and spend money on nonsense. >questionable quality products.
Don't lean on inexperienced writers with the hope they'll grow. Kerry and Miles did their best, I think any of us given the opportunity would love to write a show but they clearly did not know what they were doing and needed to either be replaced or have someone oversee them to make the story coherent. Additionally, don't put all your eggs in one basket like with Genlock. It crashing and burning fucked over their other animation departments too.
you can't hire new writers/staff when the average cost of just keeping your building afloat is suffocating.
Don't lean on inexperienced writers with the hope they'll grow. Kerry and Miles did their best, I think any of us given the opportunity would love to write a show but they clearly did not know what they were doing and needed to either be replaced or have someone oversee them to make the story coherent. Additionally, don't put all your eggs in one basket like with Genlock. It crashing and burning fucked over their other animation departments too.
I like the one skit from them where the complaint box is just a shredding machine and the one guy complains that nobody is getting paid. Imagine how bad of a workplace that fictitious parody would be!
I can't believe they actually killed Achievement Hunter/Lets Play. For how shitty it had become I still thought it was the only thing keeping the lights on.
>I can't believe they actually killed Achievement Hunter/Lets Play.
What? Did that happen just recently or did I miss it a while back? That was quite literally the only RT related thing I ever saw people talk about besides RWBY
>I can't believe they actually killed Achievement Hunter/Lets Play.
What? Did that happen just recently or did I miss it a while back? That was quite literally the only RT related thing I ever saw people talk about besides RWBY
Achievement Hunter was replaced with a new thing called DogBark that's more skit/improv focused. Let's Play is still a thing but now FuckFace (Geoff & Gavin) runs it.
The first two are about the shows creator. He took an allergy shot because his girlfriend wanted a cat and wouldn't take no for an answer.
The third is a character that was never shown to be any kind of gay being turned gay because the fans demanded it. Which is RWBY's main problem. They listen to fans that have bad ideas and turned a shonen fighting show into a shoujo drama show.
Know your limits, if you can be a small indie animation studio with some semi popular stuff don't huff your farts into thinking you can become a massive media giant, cause unless you're ran by fucking geniuses you will most likely faceplant and wreck everything good you had.
For some reason FunHaus came up in my recommendations, I stopped watching them around the time Bruce left and Adam had the troubles. Had me go into a rabbit hole where I saw RT view numbers and holy shit they both are getting barely 10k views on 2 week old videos. If it weren't for that corporate money they would've been mercy killed off years ago.
I'd love to see the metrics of their own site, because people cling to the idea that all the vieweers moved to watching on their official site and it's just not possible.
More like Rooster Teeth Nintendo Edition and actually successful
>Rooster Teeth and Glitch started out doing basically the same thing >Doing sitcoms/bloopers using in-game footage >For RT it was Halo CE >For Glitch it was Mario 64
Actually insane the amount of parallels between the two
Difference is glitch saw their own stuff had only "okay" writing and got outside writers to come on board, i doubt they could have made a super smash hit like digital circus on their own.
Anyone else remember Halo Fails of the Weak? Those were the days. I remember it became bad in like the 3rd quarter of the run where they'd have unrelated conversations over the clips, but then the fourth picked back up. Then it just dies without warning.
don't be greedy cunts. respect the art. respect the people that give you what you didn't have before because of what you've done to get this far. be a moral human being
Keep small an independent. Don't try and become a media production factory.
Also for the love of God do NOT use an external site as the main site, have your YouTube be the go to destination and let your website function as an archive and download site for videos. If you REALLY need website traffic, put behind the scenes/concepts/deleted scenes on it as an exclusive incentive.
>have your YouTube be the go to destination and let your website function as an archive and download site for videos.
You're a retard. Youtube exclusive creators are constantly under myriad threats from false claims to the shifting algorithm because Youtube is retarded and downloads and traffic are THE most expensive part of operating a site, you want that somewhere else as much as possible.
Do a better job of hiring creatives. They had plenty of resource and were on the ground floor for so many things that are super popular today. Problem is no other writers besides Monty were talented, and most of the creative talent fell flat.
No reason why Roster Teeth shouldn't be as big as Glitch right now.
I see a lot of people saying don't start a business stay a funny channel. I feel they did the impossible and did both for a long while their biggest flaw was they both couldn't forget the past and tried to over adapt to a unpredictable future. They really had soul and kino content early on, but they lost track of it all themselves. They were made by fan support they should have leaned on that gofundmes or polls to start new content and bring in new ideas and creatives. Instead they tried to ride the waves and also lean towards politics and being as mass appealing as possible which isn't inherently bad, but when you do it to the point of losing your OG audience you are a fool. As tons of people have said in the thread their biggest mistake wasn't starting the business but over extending themselves and going corpo. Everyone in this gen wants to suddenly become a homogenized and inoffensive entertainer but they fail every time as well no one is perfect and has no flaws the more you try to appear that way the more you bring in those that want to prove otherwise and have to keep up the act till you crumble.
I think RT is a master class in not losing your way, as a teen I wanted so badly as a inspiring artist to make my own RT. To go from making my own series and works, and gain a team of like minded individuals and build a company to help others and just make content and be chill with fans. It's sad seeing them go out like this if it's true this is their last song, but the RT we all remember as kids and teens or even adults has been dead a long long time.
Cardboard
sex sells
then why do westerners keep pushing uggos in my media?
Because the ones making this shit are the privileged upper class fucks. They're into that shit.
infinite growth is unsustainable
don't go full corporate
Don't move your business to liberal cities.
It was always in Houston though.
No, they were in Austin.
It's hard turning a bunch of tards making funny Halo clips into an actual animation studio?
I don't even know if there's much of a specific lesson to learn from them because they are such an immediate product of their time, kind of like G4.
when you're a bunch of autist nerds making meme animations on youtube suddenly starts blowing up don't go corporate. Don't suddenly think you can rent an office building, hire staff, buy the latest computers and rent the latest technology and think that's going to do anything.
Usually when people watch your stuff it's because it's funny and full of sovl. Then when you try to turn into a business you get swallowed up by the corporate world, you're forced to overwork your 'animators' and editors AND under pay them to make the office building's ever increasing rent.
Not to mention your sponsors/overlords start wanting more from you since THEY too require growth and deadlines and eventually you are devoured by the very thing you swore to be better than.
I'd say it's in this ball park, especially when looking at similar examples like Game Grumps.
I'm noticing now the big trend with every "Youtube turned mainstream" personality has their fate decided the more and more they pressure themselves to go "legit."
You can rag on RTs writing but the reality is it was a complete failure to run the business end of a giant "legit" corporation while maintaining their original appeal."
Granted, another lesson is "be as parasocial as possible towards your audience to maintain brand loyalty" given just how much shit they've weathered at this point
I mean, they honestly had a good run. The founders at least made a bunch of money. It was worth doing for them. It could never have lasted forever.
Did they shut down or something?
Not yet, but they are close to doing so, their only series and product failed horribly, there have been massive layoffs and the new head of Warner is willing to cut off the head of anyone he does not consider useful.
What happens to Rwby
Dead.
Expect 10 to 20 years from now it to be viewed as a "unfinished classic", and either get a final movie or reboot; but it's dead for the foreseeable future.
Don't coast. They were top of the line back in the Machinima days but never really got better, especially after Monty passed. Their actual shows were short and low quality but got away with it due to the excuse of being an "indie" studio, despite having hundreds of staff and over a decade of experience. Their live action movie, Laser Team I think it was, looked like a student fan film. These days we know what's possible from actual small indie teams like Glitch of Spindlehorse, so the level of content produced by this giant experienced WB owned studio is simply inexcusable.
dont bang your fans
>betray their origins and style.
>never improve or hire people who are really competent in their work.
>never take business administration classes and spend money on nonsense.
>questionable quality products.
you can't hire new writers/staff when the average cost of just keeping your building afloat is suffocating.
Anyone got that video where they will make your boobies by Commission and somehow it came out Caboose saying hello sexy child?
Don't lean on inexperienced writers with the hope they'll grow. Kerry and Miles did their best, I think any of us given the opportunity would love to write a show but they clearly did not know what they were doing and needed to either be replaced or have someone oversee them to make the story coherent. Additionally, don't put all your eggs in one basket like with Genlock. It crashing and burning fucked over their other animation departments too.
I like the one skit from them where the complaint box is just a shredding machine and the one guy complains that nobody is getting paid. Imagine how bad of a workplace that fictitious parody would be!
Leave at the height of your popularity and amass a loyal following on Twitch
I can't believe they actually killed Achievement Hunter/Lets Play. For how shitty it had become I still thought it was the only thing keeping the lights on.
>I can't believe they actually killed Achievement Hunter/Lets Play.
What? Did that happen just recently or did I miss it a while back? That was quite literally the only RT related thing I ever saw people talk about besides RWBY
Achievement Hunter was replaced with a new thing called DogBark that's more skit/improv focused. Let's Play is still a thing but now FuckFace (Geoff & Gavin) runs it.
lame
>What lesson can be learned from them?
Take writing and animation classes or hire competent writers and animators.
Alan Becker and his indie studio are doing what RT has not been able to do since Monty's death.
RWBY makes porn, not profit
Anime aesthetic makes money even if it's fucking awful
>Anime aesthetic makes money even if it's fucking awful
that doesn't work anymore, or at least it doesn't work for RT anymore.
People still like RWBY. Therefore you're wrong.
That is not reflected in product sales and if people loved RWBY so much they would have already gotten the greenlight for the next volume.
They still make RWBY merch? I haven't seen any since, like, when Toys R Us died.
mostly cheap clothes so loosely related to rwby, seriously, they're just one color t-shirts with a very small logo.
Allergies will fuck you up.
Allergies combined with an unhealthy work ethic will fuck you up
Don’t stick your dick in Crazy
I haven't kept up to date, what happened?
The first two are about the shows creator. He took an allergy shot because his girlfriend wanted a cat and wouldn't take no for an answer.
The third is a character that was never shown to be any kind of gay being turned gay because the fans demanded it. Which is RWBY's main problem. They listen to fans that have bad ideas and turned a shonen fighting show into a shoujo drama show.
>He took an allergy shot because his girlfriend wanted a cat and wouldn't take no for an answer.
Complications of which caused his death.
dont bang ugly fangirls
Know your limits, if you can be a small indie animation studio with some semi popular stuff don't huff your farts into thinking you can become a massive media giant, cause unless you're ran by fucking geniuses you will most likely faceplant and wreck everything good you had.
Don't waste money on a new, ugly and unnecessary logo for the company.
RWBY ded
Oh, and don't make hot girls with long dark hair into short-haired dykes.
Don't make a murderous bridge force them to kiss under the threat of death either.
Korra no
Don’t play Minecraft and GTA V every goddamn week
The beginning of the end was exactly when they stopped playing Minecraft and GTA V every goddamn week
inventing rwby will give you cancer because it is cancer
Don't continue to act like college jackasses when you're almost 50?
>Don't continue to act like college jackasses when you're almost 50?
Yes.
Needs more Gus
Is Death Battle finally shutting down?
At least Face Jam and Red Web are good
Sometimes you make your best work by accident (Gen Lock).
>What lesson can be learned from them?
Never trust a child kicker
example #221 of why trying to turn a youtube channel into a business is a terrible idea
For some reason FunHaus came up in my recommendations, I stopped watching them around the time Bruce left and Adam had the troubles. Had me go into a rabbit hole where I saw RT view numbers and holy shit they both are getting barely 10k views on 2 week old videos. If it weren't for that corporate money they would've been mercy killed off years ago.
I'd love to see the metrics of their own site, because people cling to the idea that all the vieweers moved to watching on their official site and it's just not possible.
So how'd that Part 2 of the Justice League crossover go?
Bad, so bad.
How about, like, financially?
Glitch Productions is going to be Rooster Teeth 2.0
More like Rooster Teeth Nintendo Edition and actually successful
>Rooster Teeth and Glitch started out doing basically the same thing
>Doing sitcoms/bloopers using in-game footage
>For RT it was Halo CE
>For Glitch it was Mario 64
Actually insane the amount of parallels between the two
Difference is glitch saw their own stuff had only "okay" writing and got outside writers to come on board, i doubt they could have made a super smash hit like digital circus on their own.
Another W for the Chad plumber
Another L for the Cuck chief
Idk why I feel this is a reference to video game house by RDC
Never let your Animation director hemorrhage money from other projects to funnel into his disastrous and overly expensive dream project.
Anyone else remember Halo Fails of the Weak? Those were the days. I remember it became bad in like the 3rd quarter of the run where they'd have unrelated conversations over the clips, but then the fourth picked back up. Then it just dies without warning.
don't be greedy cunts. respect the art. respect the people that give you what you didn't have before because of what you've done to get this far. be a moral human being
Keep small an independent. Don't try and become a media production factory.
Also for the love of God do NOT use an external site as the main site, have your YouTube be the go to destination and let your website function as an archive and download site for videos. If you REALLY need website traffic, put behind the scenes/concepts/deleted scenes on it as an exclusive incentive.
>have your YouTube be the go to destination and let your website function as an archive and download site for videos.
You're a retard. Youtube exclusive creators are constantly under myriad threats from false claims to the shifting algorithm because Youtube is retarded and downloads and traffic are THE most expensive part of operating a site, you want that somewhere else as much as possible.
Do a better job of hiring creatives. They had plenty of resource and were on the ground floor for so many things that are super popular today. Problem is no other writers besides Monty were talented, and most of the creative talent fell flat.
No reason why Roster Teeth shouldn't be as big as Glitch right now.
I see a lot of people saying don't start a business stay a funny channel. I feel they did the impossible and did both for a long while their biggest flaw was they both couldn't forget the past and tried to over adapt to a unpredictable future. They really had soul and kino content early on, but they lost track of it all themselves. They were made by fan support they should have leaned on that gofundmes or polls to start new content and bring in new ideas and creatives. Instead they tried to ride the waves and also lean towards politics and being as mass appealing as possible which isn't inherently bad, but when you do it to the point of losing your OG audience you are a fool. As tons of people have said in the thread their biggest mistake wasn't starting the business but over extending themselves and going corpo. Everyone in this gen wants to suddenly become a homogenized and inoffensive entertainer but they fail every time as well no one is perfect and has no flaws the more you try to appear that way the more you bring in those that want to prove otherwise and have to keep up the act till you crumble.
I think RT is a master class in not losing your way, as a teen I wanted so badly as a inspiring artist to make my own RT. To go from making my own series and works, and gain a team of like minded individuals and build a company to help others and just make content and be chill with fans. It's sad seeing them go out like this if it's true this is their last song, but the RT we all remember as kids and teens or even adults has been dead a long long time.
Keep the manchildren in line, and stop catering to every little complaint they have about "mean things" being said in the office.
Don't name your company after a dirty joke
Don't make anime slop
Don't hire non-whites