What saved it?
 Man-made Horrors Shirt $21.68 |
 Shopping Cart Returner Shirt $21.68 |
Man-made Horrors Shirt $21.68 |
What saved it?
What saved it?
Man-made Horrors Shirt $21.68 |
Shopping Cart Returner Shirt $21.68 |
Man-made Horrors Shirt $21.68 |
Asians
>international markets
FTFY. It's doing pretty well in Europe too.
Koreans saved it.
I started this movie but just seeing the Disney logo pissed me off. Is it even worth a fricking watch?
yeah the Disney logo is a bit much. Being the 100th anniversary and shit
Pity and SJWs
The movie cost $200 million and the marketing cost at the very least $100-200 million.
Stop gaslighting the world into thinking it was a success.
fpbp
>Spending hundreds of millions on marketing
I will never understand this. Word-of-mouth is way more effective than companies think and it'll save them A LOT more money then plastering big fricking sheets on billboards.
active passive to reduce earnings my friend
like 70% of the most famous Hollywood movies are actually "a flop"(MiB, Star Wars, Spiderman NWH, etc)
>So they prefer to lost money than pay people?
You know that China is lending money to any country that asks for it, right? Well, obviously there are clauses, the biggest one is that the Chinese money can only be used in Chinese companies and so the money stays at home, the same happens with production and the companies they hire for everything, those are subsidiaries or at least share CEOs
Strange World got barely any advertisent and look how that one turned out
It got 90 million dollars for advertisement budget. It was just a really shit movie with really shit character designs. Elemental at least can have some appeal, but Strange World has a universally ugly style.
Please, Im not even saying Elementals looks good but its still miles ahead the ugliness that is Strange World
I disagree. I think smart markerting can make any at least watchabke movie make a peofit. I'm terminally online and there's so much stuff coming out that I don't hear about because they didn't have a bug ad blitz.
A lot of that money is spent on "word of mouth" Fake social media, buttering up influencers to give it coverage, feeding articles to favourable publications. Disney have been spending shitloads of this kind of thing for a while.
Ever notice weird things where half a dozen outlets all report on a "racist" review from a no-name reviewer and encourage a pile on? That stuff isn't happening naturally. Remember that poor fricker who dared say that a film very specifically about a teenage 2nd generation immigrant Chinese girl who lives in Toronto in the 90s wasn't as universally relatable as most Pixar films?
Those are shills. They don't get paid in money. They're told to play ball so they get exclusives. If they don't play ball, Disney cuts them out. What are they gonna post about if Disney cuts them off?
If they were shills why did they shit on Elemental at Cannes?
Those weren't shills. Besides, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Example: Velma.
>Remember that poor fricker who dared say that a film very specifically about a teenage 2nd generation immigrant Chinese girl who lives in Toronto in the 90s wasn't as universally relatable as most Pixar films?
I do think it was a ridiculous thing to say.
It already outperformed Spiderverse.
Only in overseas markets
Domestic is an entirely different story
>spiderverse box office
600 million
>elemental box office
400 million
Lmao what?
This. Elemental still earned less than Toy Story 2. A film made in 1999. The only notable film it outperformed was Cars 3 which was considered a major box office disappointment.
Elemental outperformed spidermutt outside of us
Meaningless. And it barely did that at all. Bottom line is it didn't make more money
International success is worse than domestic success
It was a flop, and given how strong its legs were it was probably primary marketing's fault. But it did become popular enough, especially in Asia. So probably it will sell merch, and at the end of the day, the franchise will be a net positive. I never watched it btw.
>marketing cost at the very least $100-200 million.
What marketing?
>Every movie I don't like is a flop, because I just assume it had a two hundred girillion marketing budget
/tv/tard cope.
>The movie cost $200 million
Why did they bust that much cash on it anyway? It's so bland and barebones animation-wise that it could've taken only half the budget, probably even less.
It took 100 million to properly animate Clod
Because the morons at Pixar keep overinvesting in proprietary rendering technology and animation gimmicks that are supposed to keep them on the cutting edge of the 3d animation industry... but they keep neglecting the writing and keep making the same "what if [thing/concept] was alive and had its own wacky city?!" formula.
morons that claim it was saved when it lost millions of dollars.
Truth
To get more people to start praising it by word-of-mouth.
The trailer they made and showed before better movies.
>The trailer they made and showed before better movies.
How's that 100k? No one would even see it unless they're in theaters. Where's the real ads? The one that gets people into theaters? I never even saw a youtube ad for it. I only heard about it from content creators that monitor Disney releases.
There wasn't $200 marketing.
>"but Elemental cost me only $60,000 to market!"
>"and how long did it run?"
>"one night"
>"you see? you see what I'm trying to tell you? you could've raised 200 million dollars, put on your $60,000 flop, and kept the rest"
Elemental was based and Elemental-Pilled it deserved ALL the dollars
Seething #ElementalSweep deniers. Keep crying you fricking cucks.
it was a genuinely good romance movie that persevered via word of mouth. My favorite kiind of success.
no fatties
>R63 Wade is a grown up Bocchi
So what would Rule 63 Clod be?
Nothing.
Asian women with white fever.
I mean marketing.
Ah, so that's what chicks see in wade.
>Saved
Plumber boy's gonna lose to Barbie
stay mad spiderkeks
straight love wins again
Mad at what? They still need more than $200 million to surpass ATSV
kek
What's so kek about that
Non-americans have better taste
I don't think that's the case. Maybe they just don't want to go to the cinema to see Black personman and families think that the Disney movie is better for their kids, idk.
Disney gays bragging on how Elemental did better by Spiderverse but it's only by a very small margin in the international gross, where companies make less profit compared to domestic because of foreign theater cuts. That also ignores the fact that Spiderverse's overall box office is still larger when combining domestic and international.
If they frick and have a kid will it be an Air? How do they even have sex without killing eachother?
Apparently that was supposed to be in the film but it was vetoed because it raised too many questions. Their baby is a steam baby.
It's literally just South Korea. The race messages went over their head and they don't see the waters as blacks because they're so blue looking. They just saw it as a cute romcom and South Korea loves romcom and supporting a fellow South Korean creator. That's really it.
I wish I could also not see the race messages, but they're so on-the-nose to me as an American, it's just not enjoyable. The Korean subs remove the racially heated messages.
Just another reason to side with the Norks once shit kicks off
>I wish I could also not see the race messages, but they're so on-the-nose to me as an American, it's just not enjoyable.
Sounds like a you problem. It’s a story about wlement people, not real people with skin colors. That’s how it is and people self inserting themselves into characters just so they can feel offended for reasons unknown is not going to change it. Allegory is a myth.
It's always been a racial allegory and they even said fire = asian and waters = blacks. Korea just didn't catch that, so it's just a plain old nice romance about opposite lovers. Would've been nice if they cared enough about their American audience to give us that film.
Least /misc/ brained Cinemaphile user
>racially heated messages
Fitting how an elemental movie seems to perform the best when you watered those down
The waters are rich whites. Just because one water person (Wade) is voiced by a black guy...
Not being shit. It's amazing that its opening weekend was damaged because of the Disney brand name. They are now synonymous with insufferable girl boss characters with idiot manchild male sidekick, and if it deals with family the female will hate the parents to no end.
This movie was none of that and people came around.
>Not being shit
>Not being shit.
That's straight up contrarianism.
The designs are so boring.
It's still a flop or at least a disappointment, but it did a lot better than we are giving credit for. Of course, Puss in Boots The Last Wish opened far worse but still did way better with half the budget.
https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1317093-elemental-will-certainly-be-profitable-according-to-pixar-president
>“We have a lot of different revenue streams, but at the box office we’re looking at now, it should do better than break even theatrically,” Morris continues. “And then we have revenue from streaming, theme parks, and consumer products. This will certainly be a profitable film for the Disney company.”
It's not a flop anymore, anon.
>w.w.who cares if we didnt' make our money back NOW, surely those toys and books will save us by CHRISTMAS ok
You don't beg for merchandising when your movie is a success
If you have to bring in marchandizing, you lost.
Do you know what sells more merchandizing? A popular, well liked movie.
It still is. It MAY have broken even with its production budget, which is wishy-washy since for like a month and half the theaters are taking an even bigger cut of the box office because of how long it's been in the theaters, but factoring in the marketing budget and it's still in the hole.
If you assume the lifetime from ancillaries, then maybe it will break even.
Nah nobody's getting fired over Elemental. It's profitable the fire asians won.
Nobody got fired over Strange World either, so Disney doesn't give a shit.
BMAF is rising!
Third worlders with no taste that watch anything. The same reason shit like Transformers and Terminator keep making money.
Nothing. All that foreign "money" is cihmp change.
Straights
The porn
I do understand that some people get a kick out of pretending to be moronic, or false flagging so they can demolish a strawman/write articles with an agenda in mind, but there aren’t people who sincerely believe that
1) studios take 100% of the gross
2) marketing costs nothing
3) a company is happy to invest money and get less return than the basic rate of interest, let alone opportunity cost
…
Right?
Decent word of mouth and shit competition for both romances and kids films.
The only reasonable post ITT
>What saved it?
The fact it was a decent genre film that didn't really have controversial content, certainly not to the degree people feared. I think being skeptical of every Disney release nowadays is a perfectly rational thing. Some of their stuff are so agenda-laden, that we've become hypersensitive to it. But ultimately, people are fair. Even the most ardent and partisan critics of Disney actually want the company to improve. The idea Disney should perish comes from a place of exasperation, not hateful glee.
A movie that is just barely okay should still be compensated appropriately. For companies to pivot to the right direction requires both the carrot and the stick.
>perfectly rational thing
If your paranoid yes, yes it is.
You're*
Wow! You have corrected a person’s grammar on the internet! You must be so proud of yourself. Pat yourself on the back, King. You’ve earned this one. You’re a true hero of us all.
Hero to us all*
*My penis is small
I didn't say that; I was just correcting your grammar.
He's not even the Anon who mispelled in the first place, that was me.
Honestly I get Your/You're mixed up all the time, and don't get me started on There/Their/They'll
He hit a nerve, huh
Not wanting to watch something whose message you find disagreeable is not paranoid, anon. The fact you think this require paranoia is by itself a little unhinged.
Yeah wouldn't want to push the agenda of tolerance and accepting people who are different from you. How awful teaching people to be better and move past prejudice. Those horrid disney animators should be ashamed for telling people that the gays are real
Me.
CLOD
Watched it it's not even a bad movie. I don't know why it got so hated.
The marketing made it look pretty generic or even outright bad. Cannes was also pretty unkind to it.
Most of the general public who saw it enjoyed it fine hence why it's had good legs.
People really underestimate how much audiences want a simple love story. Yeah, it's not that revolutionary in the grand scheme of things, but a cute story of opposites attract has been popular for generations. People may mock the simple "Boy Meets Girl" romances nowadays because they're so overdone but everyone loves a sweet, if predictable, romance.
This is where the design by committee didn't help it. If it was just a cute love story, it would be a really good movie. But someone on the creative staff said they need to tie this back to racism and there's no Lasseter type to tell them no.
So we get this "wahh they're being racist against me" shit that doesn't make sense because they're literal fire and every instance of the supposed racism was justified by the fact that they are fire and are a danger. And then someone else on the creative staff who agreed with that the racism angle should be added, but also didn't want to show anything racist actually being done. Ember goes on a date with Wade in Element City and no one bats an eye, makes snide remarks, nor do they get kicked out of anywhere.
Lasseter would have said frick no we are focused on the love story, or he would have said frick yeah let's add racism and them proceed to show the racism full force.
>saved
It flopped instead of bombing
Ember's motherbearing hips.
You guys are missing the bigger picture. This movie went over BIG in Asia. Disney finally cracked the code and made the asians accept a movie about racism and race mixing and asian mixing at that. They did it what nobody else could. Sohn is getting 10 million off the top just for that.
>racemixing
>all the characters are voiced by the same ethnicity
Asians have been pairing opposites with each other since forever (fire/water, cats/dogs, etc). It's still subtextually implied that they are all the same race.
Only America had Ember and Wade be voiced by different races.
>What saved it?
This scene
lewd
Koreans
ember is the best female lead we've had in a western animated movie in ages. the voice, her animations, the design. pure sex. the only saving grace of this movie is whoever was based enough to make ember a sexpot.
Why do Koreans love interspecies romance with comedic and dramatic elements so much? First they make There She Is!!, now they've single-handedly saved Elemental
Have you watched Korean love shows? They're all overly dramatic and they dial the mushiness up to 10.
omg!!! 2 things?? They are all like that!!!
They also really liked Zootopia. Bought a lot of tickets for it.
More like it's a grill
>no extended sex scene of Ember and Wayde lovingly embracing in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation while holding hands
-10/10 shit movie will not be giving them my money in the future
Elemental might be #1 at the Japanese box office this week. Really makes you think.
Elemental's box office makes me wonder how Turning Red would've done if it had a theatrical run.
IKR. I bet it would have done better. better in the USA. Assuming it was in March 2022, the week after Batman. Turning Red even had IMAX commitments!
>better in the USA
Unlikely, it completely ignores 9/11
So still a bomb, but at least will almost break even.
My wife Ember Lumen.
>All these mouseketeers seething and foaming on this thread.
Elemental was/is and always will be a flop and Disney is going bankrupt. And the best part?, you only can watch it happen
Love Elemental Hate Disney simple as
Please. Disney is not close to being bankrupt
I know some of you desperately need every Disney movie to fail, but this has made 458 million on a 200 million budget and will probably get to 500. Your marketing argument may have worked for a while, but at this point it's time to throw in the towel and take the L like a man. The movie was successful and profitable.
Will probably not get to 500 but might pass Puss 2 worldwide
Which is not an achievement since Puss made money since it had half the marketing and budget.
The movie's biggest problem is that it cost 200mil to be made.
That's true. How come every other big studio can do it for half the price? It's money laundering isn't it?
what did the "just a little pruning" mean?
I seriously don't get it
he's deflowering her
I remember back when Inside Story dropped and all the freaks wanted to frick Anger... I now understand that with Bernie.
I don't remember that
Asian girls.
Story about Asian firegirl trying to live up to her parent’s expectations hits them right in the feels.
Add in forbidden romance and it’s like crack to them.
Don't know but 2 things fricked with me. If fire and water could touch the whole time without dying, why was everyone avoidant up until the moment in the movie? And if fire land got wrecked by storm clouds, does that imply the cloud people were involved?
good ass questions. I propose Ember and Wade are the first fire water people to touch.
>If fire and water could touch the whole time without dying, why was everyone avoidant up until the moment in the movie?
Race mixing was just heavily frowned upon plus they can still hurt each other.
>And if fire land got wrecked by storm clouds, does that imply the cloud people were involved?
ssshhhhhhh
It seems like it was implied they didn't know they could touch because no one ever tried. Kind of like how water people didn't know evaporation doesn't kill them.
No, kpopsgays, Elemental didn't need your penismusic to earn a profit .
but it did need some Lauv. And Thomas Newman