what the fuck
>bookfags still think that leaving this out was a bad idea
Bookfag here, it was a great idea to leave it out. Same as Bombadil and Glorfindel
The hobbits never would have been accepted or been able to acclimate back into their old society if it weren't for that rebellion where they could be leaders and bond with their countryhobbits.
Why would you think that? Merry and Pippin were both very popular in their own families before they even set out on the journey. Sam is only concerned with the Gaffer and Rosie, both of whom like him. And Frodo is perfectly content to be an eccentric loner
>DER DER DER
You try going to war and returning home. It will change you. They even tried to touch on this in the film when they all sat down to share a drink, but it was completely fluffed over by their newfound courage (only illustrated with Sam) to ask out the girl.
The book doesn't really show any evidence of the hobbits' demeanor or outlook on life changing after they return. Frodo was always melancholy and distant, Merry was always organised, brave and stalwart etc.
Because there was no contrast. They fit into the situation well and rose to the occasion to lead. They didn't have trouble adapting because it was the rest of the hobbits in the shire that had to adapt to a threat the 4 have experience in dealing with.
That's not true at all. Frodo comes back nearly broken. He never really recovers from the journey and he even gets sick every year at the anniversary of the nazgul stabbing him.
The entire reason the end of the story is so sad is because Frodo chooses to leave Middle Earth, essentially he chooses death because he never really returned from Mt. Doom.
Correct, don’t forget Merry and Pippin we’re now the hobbit equivalent of 7ft tall because they drank the ent cum
Point is if they returned to a normal shire, they would have trouble relating with people again.
Didn't happen to Bilbo
Yes it did, dumbass lol
He hated his family and was supremely irritated with them. He lived like a hermit writing a book, and he insulted everyone at his birthday party before attempting to run away.
There's absolutely no indication that he hated them less before leaving on his quest
If you deny the very fact that returning from war causes difficulty in acclimating to society, you are ignoring vast amounts of suicide data.
>ABLOOBLOOBLOO I GOT TO SHOOT HUNS AND IT MADE ME SAD, BOO HOO BOO HOO, I'M GONNA GO SHOOT MYSELF NOW, WAAH WAAAAH WAAAH
It's not just combat. Even normal military people that don't see war time have trouble acclimating into society because there is such a difference in social interactions.
That picrel is of a guy that likely never took off his uniform even when retired.
War is good, the average person loves war, there should be more war.
I'm amazed you didn't join to support The ukraine.
I would support both sides of the conflict if I had the means.
>Bilbo had trouble adjusting
>No he didn't
You're denying facts.
>I'M NOT AT HOME
Have you read the hobbit? He wasn't exactly a jovial party animal before that. Plus everyone hates the Sackville bagginses, even without being in a war
He was anti-adventure and had to be talked into it.
Yes, I agree
Gandalf picked him for his traits. Those traits were exacerbated by the adventure.
Bilbo, the guy that was jaded and acted like he hated the shire? Thats the bilbo we are talking about? Seems like he resented being cooped up after his adventure for many years
bookfag here! leaving out Bombadil and Glorfindel was fucking dumb. Bombadil adds to the adventure of Frodo and his friends who do not know until they reach Rivendel that they have to make the trip to mount doom. Glorfindel for obvious reasons. There was no need to raceswap him.They wanted to make Arwens love story with Aragorn a little more meaningful. Guess what? the books aren't about romancing! It's just a minor sidestory. They should have given Sarumon his proper ending. Anyhow, rant over.
Bombadil adds ABSOLUTELY nothing and both JRR and Christopher imply as much - he's nothing but a silly callback to Tolkien's children's stories about Bombadil. And Glorfindel would only serve to confuse the audience who wouldn't understand why an Uber elf from heaven who terrifies the Nazgul can't have a major role in the story
>Bombadil adds ABSOLUTELY nothing and both JRR and Christopher imply as much
Not really. Tolkien said Tom isn't important to the narrative but it's still an "comment" within the story which he finds important. Not everything detail as to relate to the narrative. Some features might exist to add to the world building.
He will introduce the same problem as Glorfindel. Viewers won't understand why some godlike being who isn't even affected by the Ring (when we see even Gandalf is terrified by it) can't be relied on to help. Tolkien spends a lot of time in the council of Elrond explaining why but the movie is quite long as it is
>He will introduce the same problem as Glorfinde
I'm not saying Tom being removed from the movies was a bad idea. I disagree with people saying Tom was pointless in the story completely. When it comes to films, it makes sense to portray the bear minimum since you only have a limited amount of time.
In the books, however, Tom Bombadil was a crucial part to the Hobbits learning experience. People forget that going outside the Shire is alien to the Hobbits. Outside the Shire is like Mars to them, filled with unknowns. Before the Hobbits met Tom they were attacked by Old Man Willow and didn't even realise they were being attacked. They just started feeling drowsy and thought nothing of it, but it was Old Man Willow who was putting them asleep. Luckily Tom saved them.
After they meet and leave Tom, the Hobbits get attacked by Barrow Wights. After all the Wise words from Tom Bombadil, Frodo was aware this time of the danger and how to react to this threat. Frodo saved all of the Hobbits then because of what he learned.
So basically Tom Bombadil is a learning experience for the Hobbits.
Remake it yourself cockfag!
I will not listen to Bombadil retards
Bombadil felt like a The Hobbit leftover plot line. It didn't really feel like something that fit well into LotR
Frankly, the only parts about the Bombadil arc that I like are Old Man Willow & The Barrow Wrights.
you're no bookfag
Moviefag here. You're gay and wrong.
Because fucking around in the woods with joyful hobbits is a bad thing…
its literaly the the ultimate lesson of lotr. Taking it out destroyed the meaning of the book and the Arc of the hobits.
>lessons in childrens fantasy books
lmao go piss yourself kid
if you had more lessons as a kid you wouldn't be a Cinemaphile loser
much to think about my man
You are also on Cinemaphile
The end scene in the bar where they quietly have a drink while the dumbass hobbits lose their shit over a big pumpkin conveys the message of "you can't really go home again" much more succinctly in movie form.
Except that it fails to both show off how much our protagonists have grown and changed, and how much Shire itself changed in their absence.
sam got laid
>and how much Shire itself changed in their absence
But it did in the books, with Saruman shitting up the place with industrialization and the pollution that comes with it.
Pollution doesn't exist, you anti-civilization communist freak.
>commie projecting his love of industry and devotion to corporations onto right wingers who invented the idea of national parks in the first place
You would have us all sitting by the campfire singing kumbaya, producing nothing, building nothing, no mark, no legacy. People like you are what ruined the age of industrialization, unionist homosexuals who wanted more and more time away from work, crying and complaining about sore hands and feet, fuck you, your suffering was towards a cause greater than yourself and you rejected it for a few extra hours of debaucheries and comfort. Repeal all labor laws and see how much greater society could be.
>BUH BUH BUH HOW CAN I LEAVE ANYTHING BEHIND IF I DON'T DESTROY NATURE FOR THE SAKE OF DEAR LEADER SPONSORED BY COCA COLA
Stupid commie, men live in harmony with nature and not in spite of it.
You support idle degeneracy, a good day to you is laying on pillows and sequins and smoking and thinking of nonexistent fantasies. A good day for me would be filled with toil and sweat, backbreaking labour, work to construct monuments that will last forever.
What's the last monument you actually constructed lol?
You are literally sitting around talking pleasure in imagined things.
Pristine, delicate fingers typed this post. The proof that you are not a laborer is that you think physical workers don't want better conditions and more time off. Go visit a construction site, a dock, an hospital, a factory and ask the people breaking their backs if they'd like more work. You have zero experience in these fields, limp-wristed homosexual. Go dig a basement, let's see if you'd beg for overtime after a week.
Labourers are not parasites, parasites want all the free time they can, labourers want to end the day knowing that they contributed to the project.
Why should I care what some miscegenated worm has to say?
This image pisses me off because of how much industrialization was required to construct that building
They just want to push the ugly parts of industrialism away from their living space and onto poor people
>This image pisses me off because of how much industrialization was required to construct that building
new world moment
Peak amerimutt larping as european. Your capitalist hellscape society isn’t traditional in any capacity, the enlightenment bullshit that served as its foundation is inherently pozzed and tolkien recognised this. I’m sick of americans pretending to be european.
>Your capitalist hellscape society isn’t traditional in any capacity,
never claimed that, AIDS-brain
but it was said "(much) industrialization was required to construct such a building" as depicted in the pic at
, which is outrageous considering the happened between the mid-1700s to mid-1800s, which is obviously long after many such buildings were constructed around the world.
>the enlightenment bullshit that served as its foundation is inherently pozzed
no shit, dingus
also, the pic is my first post ITT
>considering the happened
considering the industrial revolution happened*
Slith your throat commie you literally deserve to die. You lost. Die fucking scum you piece of shit motherfucker I hope your next call is bad news.
I will not be a slave for the sake of your selfish ambitions
He doesn't have any ambitions. He spends his free time on Cinemaphile and hasn't done a single day of hard work in his life. nagger should go hang out in a Congolese goldmine mad see how fun it is
We don't build pyramids or towers anymore, you ever notice that? We don't have great works anymore, there is no modern Chrysler Building.
the Central Park Tower was finished in 2020 and it mogs the Chrysler building. you have no idea what you're babbling about because you're a dribbling simpleton retard. the actual reason societal progress slows down is because of mongoloids like you thinking they have a say in anything. that's where the problem comes in. fucktards like you have a voice now.
>this post modern horror show
>mogs the Chrysler building
Dumb fucking soulless zoomer commie
>tfw your architect can't beat the first level of tetris
yeah, it does
>B-B-BUT OLD GOOD
Did you just make up a response to your non argument? Jesus christ you're a homosexual, no wonder that slop architecture appeals to you.
Hilarious that you think people liked and copied the Chrysler building because of its size
How many people worked on it? We have 7 billion people on this earth, our great works should involve millions of labourers toiling away to build magnificent structures that pierce the firmament.
>we don't build pyramids
It needs to be larger and more elaborate.
of course it's a fucking fishing store
>the great pyramid of geezer
It was originally built as a basketball arena but then the team moved or something.
How come there aren't any kino set there
>least evil and megalomaniacal commie
Liberal freaks like you deserve the bullet. Work or die, that's how it should work, useless eaters and welfare leeches die.
keep seething impotently, it's very entertaining
Keep being a burden, I'm sure it won't bite you in the ass when things go south.
>Repeal all labor laws and see how much greater society could be.
Seems like it would be pretty bad for the laborers.
You gay retards should just kiss
Its a fucking fantasy, retard.
Thanks to them.
Yeah but they changed so much their "home" isn't the same even though it was preserved like it always has been. You don't need to blow up the shire for "you can't go home again" to still work.
We've just spent 9-12 hours seeing how much they've changed, Merry and Pippin went from stealing crops to killing a Ring Wraith and becoming a Knight of Gondor respectively while Frodo and Sam just killed the ancient evil who was behind the whole fucking adventure in the first place. We don't need some lame adventure to beat a dude named Sharkey to know the hobbits have grown, we've seen it and it's encapsulated in Aragorn's "my friends you bow to no one" speech.
It's quite a different idea, though. The drink shows that their home is just the same as ever while they have been changed by their adventures, but in the book the Shire wasn't untouched. The old mill had been torn down and replaced with a modern one. Time had moved on without them.
The idea that everything will be there waiting for you when you get back, if you still want it, is a pretty childish one. Jackson communicates the emotional toll on the Hobbits but not the other side that the Scouring represents.
That fucking pumpkin became a meme in my household and we shit out pants when it had a cameo in The Hobbit.
I shitted hard on the film changes but thought this was an acceptable ending. The problem with the books was there were like 5 fucking endings. Each more anti-climactic than the last.
I keep hearing this about everything. Everything is the most important, everything is the main point of the story etc. bookfags should learn one day what "adaptation" means.
It's a reflex of the elitism that people on Cinemaphile love. Most people only know the films therefore they don't know about the scouring and you do, therefore it's the best part. You see it on every board and about every hobby. Niche/unknown = good
you don’t understand, this part of the story was the WHOLE point
>its literaly the the ultimate lesson of lotr.
What's the ultimate lesson of LOTR?
>Taking it out destroyed the meaning of the book
What's the meaning of the book?
>and the Arc of the hobits.
What's the arc of the hobbits?
>What's the ultimate lesson of LOTR?
Trust your gardener
>What's the ultimate lesson of LOTR?
LoTR's main focus isn't about huge battles or the nation of Men or majestic Elves. Tolkien said LOTR is based primarily on Hobbit's viewpoint and how they go from naive and sheltered life to more wise and experienced Hobbits.
In Tolkiens own words: LOTR "is planned to be 'hobbito-centric', that is, primarily a study of the ennoblement (or sanctification) of the humble."
>What's the arc of the hobbits?
Hobbits are dumb and basic newbies on day 1.
By the time they destroy the ring and go home, the Hobbits have learnt a lot during their adventures and have matured. Scouring if the Shire and the actions the Hobbits do to save the Shire is a culmination of all of their experience during the war of the Ring.
>What's the ultimate lesson of LOTR?
White women should be bred by BBC
>What's the ultimate lesson of LOTR?
FUCK industrialism and FUCK heretics also i'm gonna FUCK my wife
t. J.R. Tolkeen
Anon, this is Cinemaphile. You're casting pearls before swine.
Wtf are you talking about. There's no 'lesson' in lotr. It's a fantasy epic, it's about Wizards fighting dragons and shit
the ultimate lesson is the friends we made along the way that didn't die in WWI in some shit hole trench.
It was Tolkien malding they build a bunch of factories in his hometown when he was away in the war and completely out of place in lotr
>Taking it out destroyed the meaning of the book and the Arc of the hobits.
The ‘arc of the hobbits’ is literally “they are funny little sheltered guy who like to eat and are suddenly thrusted into a war beyond their comprehension. They see and do things a hobbit should never see or do, but they try their best and help save the world, despite the fact no one even knows what a ‘hobbit’ is. Then they come home as heroes.
Of course it was a bad idea, the Scouring is fundamental to the overall theme Tolkien was trying to get across. Literally bookends the physical and emotional journey of the hobbits - the main heros (Jackson changed this role to Aragorn instead so I guess who cares)
In fairness to Jackson, he probably had no fucking clue what the purpose of this chapter was, having never properly read the books, so just cut it for time and pacing reasons because all he cared about was extending battle/war scenes as much as possible.
Again something totally in conflict how Tolkien presented his work.
it wouldn't have worked in the movie
>(Jackson changed this role to Aragorn instead so I guess who cares)
Literally what the fuck are you talking about?
Aragorn is barely in the third movie despite the title being about him lol
The only time where you could say he feels more like a main character is in Two Towers but that's because Jackson cut a lot of the Frodo and Sam stuff to put it into the final movie.
>hobbits waging a guerilla war against the outsiders that took over
The scouring of the shire is the best part of the book. That being said, it would be impossible to include it in the movie
>best part of the book
We've reached levels of contrarianism never before thought possible
tbf to the book I probably only think that because I saw the movies before the book. The scouring and Tom Bombadill are the two things not covered by the movies that I can remember, so they're the only parts I didn't already know the outcome.
The barrow and the tree
tbh the books pretty fucking boring. It's definitely a highlight towards the end.
there wasn't even a war lol
for a single ruffian there were like 20 hobbits armed with slings and bows
the hobbits bashed some skulls, a few hobbits died, ruffians called it quits because they had the fighting experience of the common vatnik
no need to put it in the movie, but it was crazy comfy in the book
like if you walk back to the starting zone in wow and just obliterate hogger in 2 hits
It was, Saruman makes worm tongue eat the hobbit mayor
Leaving this out was good.
But Bombadil would have been pure kino and Jackson is a hack for leaving him out.
>BUT MUH TIME!
trim the lovestory between Aragorn and Arwin then, that was barely a thing in the books
>t. Not a merry fellow
shakrey, what a rascal
>be bad guy
Tolkein strikes again
Strider vs Sharkey would be epic
Like Icky vs Insanious
i'm starting to think that not reading the books and just enjoying the movies is the way to go
True, Tolkien's prose is garbage
Opinions of tiktok addicts are void anyway
yep. jackson eradicated all the bizarre cringe and christcuck shit
so how's your transition going?
Where the fuck did he get machinery?
It's about Tolkien coming back from WWI and his rural idyllic village is now a suburban hellscape so he wants to kill everyone there.
hitler should've shot him
Humorously, both Tolkien and Hitler started off with similar jobs in signals (communication) and they were both at Somme. Tolkien, being an educated man who opted to not enlist and instead wait until school was over, was eventually promoted to second lieutenant and commanded infantry whereas Hitler became a field runner (messenger). Both were decorated, but Tolkien opted to not claim his medal(s). Hitler, being enlisted and often present at HQ, had no choice and received an Iron Cross or two after his company got massacred a couple of times.
>but Tolkien opted to not claim his medal(s).
Not surprising, he became an anarchist after some psychos sent him and his countrymen to die for shit the common man didn't care about
>look at all these factories that produced stuff for us while we were gone
What a dick lol
How about not destroying nature in search of shekels?
Try telling Republicans that
We are, try telling the Democrats that destroying and perverting familial bonds is a bad idea.
Oh my, is that the latest thing le Fox news told you? such a good little npc repeating it
>DUDE I HECKIN' HATE MACHINERY AND COMMERCIALISM
>anyone let's mass manufacture my books and distribute them around the world using industrialised trade routes so I can pay for my mansion
>start reading the lotr
>forward from the author stresses over and over that this wasn't inspired by the war, or anything for that matter, so stop asking him about it and stop talking about it
Was he just a butthurt aspie that people figured out the obvious parallels?
The dude spent his life learning dead nordic languages that were never really written down, he probably just wanted people to leave him the fuck alone because it was started out as just a way for him to make up his own language and tell his little girl about what daddy did for a living in a way she could understand that got out of control just like CS Lewis wanted to present the concepts of the Holy Trinity and various Christian allegories while simultaneously bitching about and praising Irishness.
it is the people that are the aspies and should've left him alone
>Was he just a butthurt aspie that people figured out the obvious parallels?
Some parts of the lotr aren't really parallels. Tolkien himself said the one ring isn't meant to be a nuke since if it were the heroes would have used and saruman would have ended up making his.
I’m sure the war had a complete normal effect on him. Same amount of an effect as getting bit on the hand by a tarantula when he was a child.
It gives closure to Sauronman, doe
Is Saruman the big eye? How did he pretend to be Sharkey?
That's Sauron. Completely different character from Sauron's Man.
I bet that mill fucking worked though, I bet it milled more grain in a day than the old one did in a week
You know realize a Burt Reynold's movie contains a LOTR reference.
That Sharky, he was a real jerk.
Why didn't tom bombadil just take the ring and party his way to mordor.
stupid fucking book
>which pollutes the air and water
also, it wouldn't have worked in the film. makes sense in the book, essential part of the story, but wouldn't have worked cinematically.
Bookfags will defend bad decisions by Tolkien to their dying breaths, even decisions pointed out as mistakes by Christopher
Who cares what Christopher thinks? Stop looking to an authority and read for yourself.
He spent countless hours in the company of his father and then countless more compiling his thoughts and notes. If anyone knows his mind and intentions, it's Christopher. This doesn't mean I agree with all his opinions, like his blind hatred of the movies
I don't know why fuckers here hate christopher just because he shitted on the movies. Yeah they are great but as an actual adaptation they were bad, they completely gutted the story that was meant for christopher in the first place(tolkien wrote it for him). And more importantly, he was the only reason why garbage like rings of power were not made until his greedy descendants took over
>bunch of midgets fighting a 90 year-old guy
truly the ending that we deserved
A much better ending would be the Hobbiton locals barely acknowledging the returning hobbits, just like what happened with Bilbo. It would be a nice contrast to the 50 pages of incessant praise the hobbits received in Gondor and other places. That's exactly what bookending means. The hobbits started out as adventurous weirdos according to most others and they return as such. They know how great their deeds are but they are content to return to their homes, even without anyone kissing their feet. The fact that Tolkien felt the need to impose his post-war trauma on the reader, even at odds with the general character of the book, is exactly the type of "domination of the author" he denounces in his letters.
>at odds with the general character of the book
You've never read it, then.
I've read everything ever written by Tolkien, including his letters and children's stories.
something something the war is never over in a soldier’s mind
It’s a part of the hero’s journey, chud. Trump lost.
holy shit, drumpfbabbies just got fucking destroyed
Those are real glasses not wireframes
Why is every Tolkien lore thread so monumentally gay? Imagine a group of people having this much discussion about the intricate details of JK Rowlings' Harry Potter lore
>Imagine a group of people having this much discussion about the intricate details of JK Rowlings' Harry Potter lore
There are daily HP threads on here that do just that.
and they're gay as fuck and full of homosexuals
Memoryholed like Tom Bombadil. What are they trying to hide from us??
The books are awful
>industrial hellscape bad
How did a bunch of turbo midgets defeat a wizard exactly?
Being a wizard doesn't save you from a bunch of peasants crushing your skull under a tractor wheel
It's implied that Saruman is almost entirely powerless by that point, he just has some money or persuasion powers to maintain a small mob around him
Saruman wants revenge, but he's so weak at that point and doesn't have an army that he decides to go to the Shire and bully some midgets.
Dude I love to pretend that I hate Tolkien and talk shit about his work, it's even better when 14-year old favela monkeys on Cinemaphile think they're in good company, I'm sure nothing will go wrong with this modus operandi over a prolonged period of time!
Not everyone loves slave morality
What was Sauromans motivation to go from hightop of Isengard commanding armies to building evil windmills in hicksville
Pure petty spite basically. It's not really explained all that much, he just lashes out against the hobbits because he can't do anything except talk shit to the actual people who ruined him. He seems more angry that the hobbits stole (stole back that is) his pipe weed than about being run out of isengard
Would have made for a kino fourth LotR movie.
The hobbits always were retarded upper middle class british people. That chapter was pure fantasy, they would never rebel against anything
Yes they would because they are not the same hobbits that left the Shire a year ago (when they set out with the ring).
It's called character arc. Tolkien even says, LoTR isn't about wars or battles or Aragorn and his bitch or Boromir. He specifically said LOTR is fundamentally about the enoblement of Hobbits and the experiences they went through to get that way.
yorkSHIRE was, is and will always be, a shithole
That's nice and all but the Shire is based on Warwickshire where Tolkien grew up.
now you are making things up
picture of the mill Saruman erected
Tolkien was a philosemite christcuck who literally wrote a letter seething at a nazi where he says he wishes he was israeli
nazi's were a laughing stock at the time to be fair to the Professor
>Let's use guerilla warfare to kick out filthy invaders and restore our idyllic home
Yeah Hollywood would never allow it. Be thankful that LoTR isn't that pozzed overall.
>Read all the Lord of the Rings books
>Come to this chapter
>Stupid and boring
>So bored that I throw the book away twenty pages before the story ends
Why didn't Gandalf just send army of Hobbits to Isengard?
The provisions costs alone would ruin him
the lands and local wildlife would never recover from a hobbit siege
He did not want to up-end his pipeweed suppliers.
>this would have driven Tolkien literally insane
What a bitch.
Even though I love his works he does strike me as an incessant whiner
He was also an elitist, he thought Shakespeare was “low brow”.
That's not a unique opinion, Tolstoy also hates Shakespeare. And in fact he was absolutely low-brow, he constantly writes about fucking and shitting etc. It's just that we tend to remember his impressive vocabulary and more flowery quotes
Because he was. Being low brow is nothing to be ashamed of if you can pull it off and pull it off well. Shakespeare is mostly sex jokes, scat jokes, dick jokes, fart jokes, and then something happens and everyone claps.
>Tolkien bashes long dead Shakespeare
>Shakespeare reincarnates as GRRM and bashes long dead Tolkien
Shakespeare could write the Danny diarrhea scene 50x better
Will we ever have something like the Lord of the Rings movies again?
Even Peter Jackson decided to make soulless CGI slob with wacky fanservice instead, when given a blank check.
>this confuses and angers the amerimutt
I'm confused and angry
English is a pretty obvious choice for an international language because you can know like 12 words and get your point across.
Too bad it's going to be chinese
not with their inverted population pyramid its not
Even if China took over the whole world they're never going to convince people to learn mandarin
The chinese spend more time learning how to speak english than anyone else in the world. English is going to be the language that spreads to the stars, but the issue then is that English is just one of those languages that likes to change at the drop of a hat so it'll become so bastardized that people will not be able to speak to one another even though they're both speaking "English."
>tfw indian english will be the lingua franca of the cosmos
>Dominate world with massive empire
>Key to your ascendency is the mighty English navy, proud institution which stopped Napoleon's ambitions from polluting your shores. Great force which dominated the oceans, and brought a tiny rain-soaked isle to be king of the world
>Your tongue becomes the lingua franca of travel, trade, and commerce
How the fuck did the english empire even collapse, the UK is so pathetic now.
>How the fuck did the english empire even collapse
Two world wars and an enormous debt to the ~~*financiers*~~ that made them possible
Do you think they used the hobbit women as whores? Passed them around like fuck dolls?
Not just the women
>english is le domineering language that is time proof
>70% of speakers are indian that wont pass it down generationally
What exactly is wrong with this? The movies leave Saruman locked in the tower surrounded by a couple of trees who will inevitably become bored, and wander back into the woods, then never mentioning Saruman again.
>brutally mogs the scouring chapter in one simple scene
glad they didn't include "sharkey", pfft, in the oscar-winning films. would have ruined them.
an allegory for WWI British servicemen returning home to find their darlings riding the British Broadcasting Corporation
The uttermost fringe of irony is that letting Germany win in either of the two wars would create and maintain the traditional nature attuned world that Tolkien loved so much. And the uppermost ethereal echelon of irony is that Britain is now a colony of India and is ruled by some dravidian brownoid who is notable for his ability to actually shit in a toilet (allegedly). Churchill himself also shat on that which he allegedly fought to defend.
Rishi is the same upperclass plums in mouth tory twat as the rest. There's nothing Indian about him.
>Saruman was a threathening antagonist
>Gets reduced to comedic relief saturday morning cartoon villain at the end
I'm glad jackson cut it and gave saruman a proper send off, he's an angel on the same level as sauron, gandalf and the balrong, him being some hobo named sharkey was a disgrace and makes me wonder what the fuck was tolkien thinking
>what the fuck was tolkien thinking
He was thinking about how evil people start with good and noble intentions but are slowly reduced into spiteful petty clowns as they spiral downward. Same way as Sauron originally wanted to make the world a more orderly place but ended up being tyrant who just wanted to rule everyone.
>He was thinking about how evil people start with good and noble intentions
Saruman might not been evil and even volunteered to free ME of sauron, but he wasn't free of many flaws either, he was too prideful and overconfident, and seethed endlessly at gandalf because everyone both in valinor and ME trusted him more than himself
>I'm glad jackson cut it and gave saruman a proper send off, he's an angel on the same level as sauron
And yet he dies by the knife of a weakling crack addict. Same happens in the books. Saruman gets stabbed by wormtongue. But at least it makes how someone as low as wormtongue was able to kill an all wise and powerful being such as Saruman. Reason being is that he lost most of his power and so was weak enough to be killed by a normie.
Imaging being an orc and getting a shortstack hobbit girl slave
Where did Bilbo and Frodo even work before they became adventurers?
From inheritance. They were parasitic trust fund babies.
Work? You mean that thing that filthy peasants do?
Bilbo was a landlord. Bilbo, Frodo, Merry and Pippin are all upper middle class Hobbits.
bilbo was loaded beyond belief, he claimed the treasure of the trolls they buried in the hobbit plus he had some gold from the dwarfs iirc
frodo became his successor
Why is Tolkien so shit at story structure bros? He literally separates Frodo’s adventure and Aragorn’s adventure into different books because apparently he can’t write two things happening at the same time. The Silmarillion is also unreadable
>The Silmarillion is also unreadable
The Silmarillion is a frankenstein concoction created by his son
The ultimate copium section of the trilogy
>We're totally going to take England back, guys! It will be like it once was, honest!
The irony poisoning in this thread is too thick, I'm out.
>My name's Big Sharkey.
>I run Shire Town.
What a tranny picture.
shut up and go back to sucking your boyfriend's cock
Because they closed the evil polluting factories 20 years prior, and it was the Tories who did it to send the jobs to China and Indonesia.
I wanted to see the Hobbits brutally kill and dismember the humans
you see it when frodo has a vision at galadriels crib
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