What went wrong?

What went wrong?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    flat-out admitting you ignored the games when the target audience is halo fans was the nail in their coffin. also, i’m a huge halo fan, and i’ll be the first to admit that the series isn’t really relevant anymore. this had no chance from the start.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >when the target audience is halo fans
      What do you mean? The target audience is people who like Yellowstone and Star Trek. I know this doesn't have to be explained, but videogame adaptations are not aimed at videogame fans. Like, that's so obvious nobody has to explain it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No
        Why do they do that? Why would they do that?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gee I wonder why they keep failing

          The Mission Impossible movies didn't become popular by catering to the audience of the old TV show, but rather established their own audience wanting awesome thrillers starring Tom Cruise. Same with Matt Damon Bourne movies. Nothing like the books, but special in their own way. The idea of adaptations being "for the fans" has never been true, and the idea it's in any way true is some kind of warped man-child fan entitlement thing. The Halo TV show is made for people who don't give a shit about the games, will never give a shit about the games, and want a fun sci-fi TV show. The games don't matter. Halo as a game series won't exist in 50 years. But the TV show might.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >and want a fun sci-fi TV show.
            Why didn't they do that step?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They don't make the tv show for video game fans because video game fans *have the video games already*

            They are literally made for everyone else, if source materials fans like it, it is merely a bonus.

            Yeah... but why didn't they actually make it good though?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Paramount could be full of shit, but they reported strong growth and high viewer retention, meaning that viewers watched the first episode of Halo, then kept coming back every week for more. Halo was apparently very popular with the dad demographic, and popularity internationally, not just the US where the game fanbase is largely isolated.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmfao I can't believe they send shills for dead shows

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's one thing to add more action it's another to change the focus entirely to something lame
            Dumb keyboard jockeys can come up with more interesting premises than paid Hollywood writers now, even the 343 games have more substance in their stories than this drek

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >It's one thing to add more action it's another to change the focus entirely to something lame
              The people who made the original Mission Impossible show literally walked out of the premiere in protest of what the Tom Cruise version had done to it. Yet Cruise's Mission Impossible is incredible. Is it a slap in the face to everything the original represented? Kind of. But it's a cool slap.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Gee I wonder why they keep failing

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They don't make the tv show for video game fans because video game fans *have the video games already*

          They are literally made for everyone else, if source materials fans like it, it is merely a bonus.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What do you mean?
        I think that anon was pretty fucking direct and clear with what he meant. Stop playing dumb, stop being passive aggressive, just fucking say what you mean directly.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They don't make the tv show for video game fans because video game fans *have the video games already*

        They are literally made for everyone else, if source materials fans like it, it is merely a bonus.

        The games industry is the biggest entertainment industry on the planet, and videogame fans represent a massive potential market for the tv and film industry. The biggest advantage in adapting an existing property is that you already have a fanbase interested in spending money to view your product, allowing you to get more money than if it were a brand new thing that nobody knew of. Brand new IPs are a big risk because you don't know if there is anybody that will like them. The problem with snubbing the fans is that this pre-baked audience who are fans of your source material will not spend money on your show if it is not similar to the games they like, and now it's a completely brand new thing that doesn't have a guaranteed audience watching it. Essentially, it is a brand new IP that must stand on its own merits, leading to the question: What was the fucking point in adapting existing source material if it has almost nothing in common with the source material?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The games industry is the biggest entertainment industry on the planet
          Retard, that's football.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The games industry is the biggest entertainment industry on the planet
          Because of mobile and games costing 70 dollars US.
          >videogame fans represent a massive potential market for the tv and film industry.
          No, they don't. The average videogame audience is super small. Way more people watched the Prince of Persia than have played the PoP games for example.
          >The biggest advantage in adapting an existing property is that you already have a fanbase interested in spending money to view your product, allowing you to get more money than if it were a brand new thing that nobody knew of.
          No, you're not looking for a fanbase. You're looking for brand awareness, which is a very different thing.
          >Essentially, it is a brand new IP that must stand on its own merits, leading to the question: What was the fucking point in adapting existing source material if it has almost nothing in common with the source material?
          Because it works. Iron Man is a movie that is nothing like the comics in any way. It's a Robert Downey Jr. star vehicle where he plays Elon Musk. And it launched the MCU. It didn't matter that nobody knew who Iron Man was, or how dissimilar film Iron Man is to comic Iron Man.

          Also, you're an IP rights holder and you want to make money from the IP. So you hire people who will accomplish that. Nobody cares about the Halo games outside a small audience. They are not worth catering to. That's simply a fact. They're super loud and obnoxious fuckwits, but their loudness doesn't translate into box office. Now of course you would ideally want to have some cross-brand synergy. Capcom loved the Paul W.S. Anderson movies because they tended to release close to RE games and boost sales. Resident Evil The Final Chapter released a month before RE7, and played a very obvious role in boosting awareness of that game. Same with Retribution releasing a month or so before RE6. Did huge numbers in Japan.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Iron Man is a movie that is nothing like the comics in any way.
            And yet, the fandom liked it. Sonic's movies are nothing like the games and are well liked by fans too (plus the movies tends to cater to them). Urban's Dredd, which was mentioned above, is nothing like the satirical comics, and spends most of the runtime stuck in one place, yet the fandom prefers it over Stallone's.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >And yet, the fandom liked it.
              Actually, comic book fans whined about the MCU constantly, but they were drowned out. This is the secret to success. You become so popular that the die-hard fans are eclipsed.
              >Sonic's movies are nothing like the games and are well liked by fans too (plus the movies tends to cater to them).
              Actually, Sonic die-hards hate the movies because the first Sonic movie is literally just Hop with James Marsden and Sonic pasted into the movie. But Sonic became so popular that it managed to silence criticism.
              >Urban's Dredd, which was mentioned above, is nothing like the satirical comics, and spends most of the runtime stuck in one place, yet the fandom prefers it over Stallone's.
              Urban's Dredd bombed. So what the fanbase wants matters fuck-all.

              Fans of The Witcher books despised The Witcher games, as does the author of the books. But the game fanbase won out. Either one fanbase wins, or you get a chaotic middle ground where two conflicting fanbases exist and constantly snipe at each other. Resident Evil fits into this box. The PWSA Resident Evil movies are the most popular zombie films in the industry by a huge margin. The RE games are the most popular horror games. But there's a schism in the RE fanbase where the (much smaller) RE game fanbase rails against the (much more mainstream) films. Much like Transformers comic/cartoon fans hating the hugely popular Michael Bay films.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Actually, comic book fans whined about the MCU constantly
                Over time? Yeah. The first Iron Man? Though there were people who didn't like it there and here, it was well received by the fandom.
                >Actually Sonic die-hards didn't like it
                Ok, still doesn't discredit the fact that most Sonicfags found it alright, although the sequel is seen as an improvement.
                >Urban's Dredd bombed. So what the fanbase wants matters fuck-all.
                So? It's an adaptation that would be targeted by fans for how loose it is. And yet, it wasn't, because it was good, like Iron Man and other examples. But you act like an aspiring film producer who only sees money as the end-all, so a good product that can unite both fandom and normal audiences is alien to you.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            While the numbers are of course inflated since games cost more than tickets or streaming subscriptions there is still a significant consumer base from which companies would be able to draw from if they adapted source material faithfully. These properties aren't selling themselves to a small audience of die-hard fans, they are multi-million dollar money printers that already have wide appeal, at least for the bigger properties.
            Then again we're discussing Halo which might as well be a dead franchise at this point. It used to be one of the biggest video game properties in the world though. Used to be.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >It used to be one of the biggest video game properties in the world though. Used to be.
              Halo was literally never popular outside the US and a few select regions where the OG Xbox did numbers.
              >there is still a significant consumer base from which companies would be able to draw from if they adapted source material faithfully.
              Almost all successful adaptations are unfaithful. The difference is that sometimes there's some daft PR about about how much it "respects the source material", which amounts to making sure the main character's idiotic costume has a "comic accurate" belt buckle.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was popular enough to make several hundred million dollars in a day. And while adaptations may not always be completely faithful the more successful ones tend try to be faithful. Just look at Lord of the Rings.

                Call of Duty sells those numbers as a multiplayer game, not as a narrative experience. It's like how people thought that Pokemon being popular would mean that Pokemon movies would be popular. So they spent a huge amount of money on Detective Pikachu, it underperformed, and killed live action Pokemon.

                I'll admit that I'm overlooking multiplayer, but they still put in a significant amount of resources into singleplayer, so there's obviously some market for it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It was popular enough to make several hundred million dollars in a day.
                Easy to do that when you cost 60 dollars. And it doesn't change that most of those copies are sold in a small number of countries. Halo has the same problem Star Trek did. It's very American and it struggled outside that domain.
                >And while adaptations may not always be completely faithful the more successful ones tend try to be faithful.
                No. James Bond is one of the longest running and most successful film series, and James is nothing like the book version and many films use the title of a book and nothing from the book itself. The idea of faithful adaptations being more successful has no basis in reality. It's just a nerd cope. The MCU is not faithful to the comics at all, and is huge. Guardians of the Galaxy is a blockbuster franchise that took GOTG, threw it out, and replaced it with Farscape. And fans whined about that but nobody cares what they think.
                >I'll admit that I'm overlooking multiplayer, but they still put in a significant amount of resources into singleplayer, so there's obviously some market for it.
                There is a market, but nobody is going to march out to watch the Call of Duty movie. You have to make a movie that appeals to normal action fans.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Call of Duty sells those numbers as a multiplayer game, not as a narrative experience. It's like how people thought that Pokemon being popular would mean that Pokemon movies would be popular. So they spent a huge amount of money on Detective Pikachu, it underperformed, and killed live action Pokemon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this is bait, but I know this is what hollywood did. lmao

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Like, that's so obvious nobody has to explain it.
        fucking retard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The show was shit anyway but this was the worst ‘marketing’ or journalist sabotage I have ever seen.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Generation Kill but with a bunch of jarhead Spartan IVs
      >Band of Brothers but with ODSTs

      Kino is litterally just staring at their faces

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >P O L I C E that mustache!
      I can hear him in my head.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MuuuuuuhReEeEeEnSa

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NOOO MASTER CHIEFPITTUU

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I got my wife into the games after watching this series. We're thinking of naming our daughter Cortana? Maybe the midle name if it's too much

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      only middle name, man

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would say middle name and even then, maybe not? Its also gotta age well

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm Mexican and will 1000% name my son Jorge

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can't explain it but naming a kid Jorge pressures him too much into being a manly bastard. Like, you can't be a wimpy kid and be named Jorge.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Remember that M$ Siri pendant is also called Cortana. Middle name is the only option, bro.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Should have just had it be a GoT style ensemble about the covenant war and shit, have Chief be like the whitewalkers and have him be this sporadically appearing enigmatic godsoldier

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      instead we get
      >"you killed my mother waah"
      >takes off helmet
      >"you have to aim up here"

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why did the elites tank a mounted gun but then when master chief picks it up it works on them

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The writers hated the source material and hate the people who enjoy the source material.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What if we made an adaptation of a legendary video games series
    >Should we use the games as inspiration for the story since we're using it's iconography?
    >no

    And everyone hated it.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    343 aren't very good compared to Bungie

    Oh, you mean the tv series? Absolutely nothing.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >didn't get a nomination for videogame adaptation
    >even the Uncharted movie did
    lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a gaming awards show, so by nature the adaptations are either bland retreads like Uncharted or those "for the fans" affairs like Edgerunners that nobody outside the game fanbase really cares about. Nominating the Halo show is like nominating Starship Troopers for best book adaptation at a Heinlein convention.

      I'm sure the Halo people get to cry into their chocolate milk knowing they'll probably get renewed for another 5 seasons while their competitors are lucky to get a sequel. The Uncharted movie is in limbo because the director is off doing Now You See Me 3.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"for the fans" affairs like Edgerunners that nobody outside the game fanbase really cares about.
        Lol
        Lmao even.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"for the fans" affairs like Edgerunners
        You are fucking retarded. It was the exact opposite. Sales of the game shot up due to the show. The game failed, the series came out, and sales skyrocketed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Cast a fucking twink as Nathan Drake
      >Yep this is acceptable
      What were they thinking aside from Spider-Man game? No I never played the games. No I never watched the movie. Never will. It's shit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tom Holland has 10 movies contract with snoy pictures
        at least that's my theory

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What if we shit on another popular thing those nazi Trumper right wingers love?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think 70 year olds give a shit about halo

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon ffs you damn know I'm talking about the way they all see us

        >You like thing?
        >We make thing but /OUR WAY/
        >Don't like thing /OUR WAY/?
        >RACIST - ANTISEMITIC - MISOGYNIST - TRANSPHOBE - NAZI
        and what other name wokelywood keeps naming us

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Kiki Wolfkill
    >Helmet
    >Writers obviously hate the source material
    >Helmet
    >Character assassinate everyone
    >Helmet
    >Introduce a new character who is a heckin strong woman who doesn't take shit from anyone
    >She's literally just a gigabitch with a terrible haircut
    >Her story goes nowhere and is irrelevant to the main arc
    >Introduce another new character who is literally the same as the above
    >But she speaks sangheili and has a heckin' finger sword
    >Helmet
    >Soren is one of the few likeable characters and his story is a big nothingburger
    >Kai is the only likeable UNSC character
    >The UNSC and ONI have been merged so the UNSC are just turbo-evil Nazis
    >The fucking guy with the cigar
    >Keyes is black for no reason while being played by a guy who looks like a hench Johnson
    >Miranda is a mystery mutt and also a doctor now for... some reason
    >Helmet
    >Three battles in the entire show and only one was half decent
    >CGI is either very good or PS2 graphics, mostly the latter
    >Final battle looks like it was made in Blender by a highschooler
    >Cortana can control dead bodies now
    >Whole show was obviously Mass Effect inspired and got changed to Halo at the last minute
    >Most of the soundtrack sounds like Mass Effect
    >Helmet
    There's definitely more, but I'm trying to memoryhole the whole thing. It's just bad writing from top to bottom.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what is this helmet meme I've kept reading?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to sit one of these writers down and ask them why they thought openly hating the material they're writing about was a good idea. I just don't get that kind of work mindset. I get that it's frustrating to do jobs that you don't want to do, but you still have to a good job since that is what you're being paid for.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They probably got called a moron in a lobby in 2007 and never let it go.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        all they had to do was veto snowbound

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >mfw I unironically liked snowbound and never vetod it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you still have to a good job since that is what you're being paid for.
      Lmao no you don't. The good work is to get you a job like this. The writers do exactly what they're told and collect the first big check or most of their careers

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So why should we defend them? just because we understand how and why they got there they somehow deserve our admiration for running the franchise into the ground?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Where did I say you have to defend them? They took a job, did what was asked for them, and got paid a lot. That's capitalism in action

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They don't hate the source material, this is your psychosis talking and you legitimately should get help as this is an unhealthy way to live.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you think emotional based responses are meaningful on an anonymous board? Im legit curious why you think this.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Idk about this show in particular but that sentiment is an actual thing companies have done, not 4chan talking points gay. 343 industries infamously hired people who hated halo to make halo 4

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You do want more level headed people working on franchises, because hiring megafans is basically the worst thing you could do because they have huge blinders.

          For example, Bloober Team's Silent Hill 2 remake would do well to have people on the team who think that Silent Hill 2 has shit voice acting and a mediocre story and terrible gameplay. Otherwise you'd get a game made by delusional people that reviews horribly and sells like shit.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I can't ever forget how there are nutcases out there who hate video game remakes like Shadow of the Colossus or Demon Souls because they "lost the artistic direction" of the originals
            Yeah they now look great instead of being blurry low res pieces of shit that stutter along at 15fps and feel like trash to play, what a loss

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think that critiquing the difference in remakes and remasters is totally valid. But these people are angry and emotionally distressed by the existence of remakes. You don't really see this with film. Someone remakes a movie, and if the remake is bad, so be it. If it's good, ah well. But these people seem scared that a remake will A: Be different in important ways, and B: be really successful.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But these people seem scared that a remake will A: Be different in important ways, and B: be really successful.
                Or C: The companies might do retarded stunts to prop up their remaster, like delisting the original one.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I can't ever forget how there are nutcases out there who hate video game remakes like Shadow of the Colossus or Demon Souls because they "lost the artistic direction" of the originals
            Yeah they now look great instead of being blurry low res pieces of shit that stutter along at 15fps and feel like trash to play, what a loss

            Crytek are making Crysis 4 right now, and they're hiring people from the Hitman team and stuff like that, because a new Crysis can't be a copypaste of Crysis 1, 2, or 3, made by people who think those games' shit doesn't stink.

            Look at Resident Evil. Suppose you were making a new movie. Do you hire someone who thinks that the RE movies are perfect, or do you hire someone who can appreciate the films but has a laundry list of things they'd do differently? I'd take the latter. I want someone with vision, with a thoughtful understanding, balancing respect with criticism.

            One of the best Silent Hill games was Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, and it was created, apparently, because Sam Barlow didn't like Silent Hill 3, and didn't like Heather in Silent Hill 3. Shattered Memories isn't just a remake of SH1. It's a very talented British writer and designer looking down his nose at Silent Hill 3 instead of making some carbon copy. The stuff that makes SM really interesting stems from this.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe, but there's obviously a fine line to walk. Although in my opinion Halo 4 should never have been made in the first place

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Bloober Team's Silent Hill 2 remake would do well to have people on the team who think that Silent Hill 2 has shit voice acting and a mediocre story and terrible gameplay
            SH2 remake already had redflag because is made by hacks who made jumpscare heavy first person """"horror""" , they just got picked because a game that the mc looks like SH3 lead. People unironically are waiting more the Higurashi guy game.
            There is a difference that something being made by someone who understand and likes the work which led the project to remain a little souls from that game or being an autistic fan.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They don’t hate the source material, they’re just incredibly incompetent and probably bumbled their way up the ladder through nepotism. Hanlon’s razor or whatever

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Peter principle? I think.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I want to sit one of these writers down and ask them why they thought openly hating the material they're writing about was a good idea.
      They don't hate the source material. Their job is to write a successful TV show for a mainstream audience, and they set out to do that. Season 2 is filming right now, and if they get renewed for Season 3, they'll have done their jobs.

      When they made Die Hard, do you think they venerated the book(s) and random screenplays Die Hard 1-4 were based on? No. They saw them as ammunition to make a cool action movie. Die Hard 3 is a completely unrelated movie script for a Brandon Lee movie with Die Hard characters added into it, and it's the best Die Hard movie. Die Hard 4 is super tight, and based on a blog post about the internet or something.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I dont understand why people like you think if you logically explain the reasoning then understanding will somehow make me accept the show and its failings. The whole tone of your post is off, are you defending them, are you paid by them? If not there is no reaon to make this post outside of self congragulatory wank. You dont state that you stand by these decisions but its clear by your tone you do, why are you defending them? Why do you think the reality of television production is supposed to change my mind, that the dialogue and themes they incorporated feels as if they hate the material? Thats the reality of the emotional response their work elicits and you think by explaining the behind the scenes I will disavow that somehow.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >that the dialogue and themes they incorporated feels as if they hate the material?
          Examples?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The entire show. All of it is my source. You would just love it if I fed into your game, well you cant have it, seethe.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Modern writers are hacks. Look at the Witcher series, Cavill was baffled that the writers openly hated the Witcher series and quit because of it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why do the TV show people get shit for hating the series, when the games hate the series and the creator of The Witcher disowned the games? Is it because gamers have baby duck Syndrome and like the games?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why are you pretending not to understand that to most people the games are the source material? Your post is predicated on LARPING that all witcher game fans are well versed and respect the books, in reality (you know, youre just playing dumb) most people view the games as the source and now you will pretend to hide behind the books and call me out as a casual for saying this and revert to your "baby duck syndrome" as you calculated this would go.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >why are you pretending not to understand that to most people the games are the source material?
            To most people the TV Witcher show is the source material, because way more people have seen the TV show. So I guess the shoe is now on the other foot. Funny how that works.

            Book fans whined about the game. Game fans whined about the show. But show fans aren't going to whine because they don't give a shit about the books and the games.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ok just change the topic and dont direct address anything I said. Fuck off.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So no one is happy. What was even your original point then? The original rhetorical questions you asked initially you just answerded, which proves you were playing dumb all along.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So no one is happy.
                TV show fans seem happy. Except for the fact that recasting Geralt is obviously controversial. but there's huge hype for the Witcher Blood Origin spinoff show. So Henry isn't needed for The Witcher to be successful, just desirable.

                The thing about adaptations is that it ultimately doesn't matter one whit if source material fans don't like your successful adaptation. Nobody loses sleep over Starship Troopers fans hating the movie. The people you have to be worried about alienating are the normal viewers, they're the people who pay the bills.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                except theyre not happy, I didnt even read the rest of your gaslighting blogpost. Theyre not, no one is. What is your reasoning for defending this show?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Theyre not, no one is.
                How do you figure?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but how do you figure
                >TV show fans seem happy
                >there's huge hype for the Witcher Blood Origin spinoff show

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>TV show fans seem happy
                User feedback for S2 is holding strong.
                's huge hype for the Witcher Blood Origin spinoff show
                Decent metrics so far, but obviously the show being good or not will make the difference. Bad show, and momentum will collapse.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >user feedback
                >decent metrics
                Jesus are you a marketer?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have a better suggestion for evaluating the financial prospects of The Witcher?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >huge hype
                when they are pushing their own garbage and buying ad space and articles, it hardly counts as hype.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The videogames love the book series, there are constant references to them and they understand the message pretty good. Don't gaslight people.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t be so anti semetic

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cargo cult 'fan service'
      >hiring greenhorn 'accredited' hacks that are 'too good' for the material

      These are people in love with the idea of being a screenwriter/artist, not what being/becoming that entails, or else they'd look at something like this as a challenge and opportunity. Ah yes, but there's bigger fish to fry, like 'activism' and 'advocacy' and 'representation' and the entire fraudulent litany of self-aggrandizing bullshit that supersedes the real thing

      [...]
      The Mission Impossible movies didn't become popular by catering to the audience of the old TV show, but rather established their own audience wanting awesome thrillers starring Tom Cruise. Same with Matt Damon Bourne movies. Nothing like the books, but special in their own way. The idea of adaptations being "for the fans" has never been true, and the idea it's in any way true is some kind of warped man-child fan entitlement thing. The Halo TV show is made for people who don't give a shit about the games, will never give a shit about the games, and want a fun sci-fi TV show. The games don't matter. Halo as a game series won't exist in 50 years. But the TV show might.

      >Mission Impossible movies
      Delivered action, with the expectation of "James Bond, but American", same for Bourne. 'Fidelity' to source material is qualitative. Halo and other fandom cashgrabs do not even deliver on the most basic premises and setups. The two GOT fraudsters firm-handshaking Boomer Martin into exactly this bait and switch is representative of the problem. Hollywood & mass media are in a catabolic, self-cannibalizing stage at every level.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not that they hate the material, they just wanted to do their own thing full of pozzed commentary but they couldn't sell it so they have to turn beloved franchises into a mix of their ideas (because they are too arrogant to abandon them) with a lazy attempt to adapt the source. It's why things like cowboy bebop with dick jokes, death note with black L, resident evil with black wesker and his lesbian daughters or velma now being indian and lesbian happen. They are all frustrated writers who think they have a moral obligation

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No one tell this guy that 343 did and still does exactly this for every Halo game they worked on from Halo 4 onwards.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's another one to add to that image.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A decade of nothing but continual failure and they're still in business. It boggles the mind.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          343i are immune to consequences for some reason. The way MCC launched as should have killed them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Microsoft rains money into a bottomless pit of human waste is how 343 still exist.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            When it comes to games, they have literally nothing else, they have to keep throwing money at it
            And it's still circling the drain

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's another one to add to that image.

        lol
        lmao

        343 was a mistake, and Bungie should never have signed away Halo.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They didn't really have much choice. The Myth 2 uninstall bug cost them a lot of money.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean, if they didn't sign it away they'd have been working in the Halo mines forever. They didn't have much choice.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bungie signed over the IP to Microsoft when they got bought in 2000.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Seems they made the exact show they wanted and got to keep the rights

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    more like gaylo, nawm sayin?

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there weren't more scenes with alien feet

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bunch of fags and women writers who never played the game or read the books, obviously

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      she had a nice ass

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not bad at all for a white girl.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    everything

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Halo isn’t groundbreaking sci-fi, but it’s still cool because it’s story arc centers around the conflict between humans and aliens. That type of story is always cool. The problem with this show is that we didn’t get enough development of the human vs. alien conflict. 3/10 episodes had some type of combat, sure, but it takes more than bing-bing-wahoo to tell a story. For a series that’s about the human-alien conflict, there was very little story development of the aliens. In GoT the bad guys (I.e. the Lannisters or the skin flaying guys) will have some exposition scenes, usually in an inner sanctum of a castle talking about assasination plans or strategy for imminent battle. Cheap and unimaginative, sure, but it builds up the story arc. There should have been some scenes like this with Covenant generals and their priestly class talking about the destruction of human colonies, etc. something, anything, really. This show needed more aliens

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Halo isn’t groundbreaking sci-fi, but it’s still cool because it’s story arc centers around the conflict between humans and aliens. That type of story is always cool.
      Not really, because it comes with a whiff of pro-fascist sentiment. The fantasy of a just war against an enemy that must be destroyed because they are different from us. Halo has a huge risk of devolving into pro-US military wank, and the games do this all the time. The US government is evil. Its military is an instrument of evil. So by nature Halo inherits that. The greatest videogame film director of all time, Paul W.S. Anderson, understood this in his film Soldier. The true dignity of a soldier is to turn his weapons against the military industrial complex.

      The best thing Master Chief can do is shoot Keyes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fascism is fun. You should try it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why didn't we listen to this fucking hero?
          We could have saved the Empire.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        John's emotional breakdown is very similar to Todd crying for the first time, and being confused by the feeling of tears on his face. The big problem with the Halo show is that it wants to be like a Paul W.S. Anderson adaptation, and Halsey even resembles Claire Hennessey from Death Race. But it doesn't have Anderson's VISION. It doesn't have this AESTHETICS. It feels more like Gavin Hood's Ender's Game than Anderson's Soldier. It's just good, much like the bland and mediocre Halo game narratives, when it could be kino. It's Welcome to Raccoon City when it could be Resident Evil Retribution.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >an enemy that must be destroyed because they're different from us.
        Oh, so you never played the games either then?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Halo sees the enemy as being fanaticism of the outsider, when the real enemy is fascism. The enemy is within, not without.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No it doesn't? The enemy in Halo is explicitly a theocratic fascistic minority faction within the Covenant who arranged for the war of extermination against humanity to perpetuate their own power and control. At the end of the games, we literally make friends with the aliens. Just say you don't know what you're talking about.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >No it doesn't? The enemy in Halo is explicitly a theocratic fascistic minority faction within the Covenant who arranged for the war of extermination against humanity to perpetuate their own power and control.
              And that's pro-American wankery. Halo has a huge problem where the premise and setting are just Americans jerking off about how they're the good guys. The real evil in this world is America, not the brown terrorists. Halo the TV show understands this. Halo the game fanbase doesn't. Because they've spent years loving thinly veiled American propaganda. The US military literally used Halo as a recruiting tool.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, not everything is allegory and no one is talking about brown people but you. Aliens being bad guys isn't an American invention but you're so schitzo brained you seem to think everything must secretly be US propaganda. The military-industrial complex and many characters and organizations in the UNSC are explicitly evil in the text too. The humans doing incredibly monstrous things when backed into a corner is a recurring theme.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon, not everything is allegory
                The Halo show is explicitly interpreting Halo the games as a copycat of the evil human government from Soldier. John is Todd. He was always Todd because Bungie are huge plagiarists. But Halo the games were designed to appeal to Americans who think of themselves as the good guys. But the Halo TV show is subversive, and understands that Americans are the bad guys. The UNSC is basically Space America. And they're the bad guys becausae that's how it works in the real world.

                It doesn't matter that the games are delusional about this. They're just pandering to gamers who have the political sophistication of a blunt spoon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The UNSC are the bad guys
                Again anon, it's really blatantly obvious you've never consumed Halo media outside the show. The Human-Covenant War wasn't fought over ideology or territory. The war was about is humankind gets to exist or not. There's only one bad side in that scenario and it's not the guys who's basic war goal is "not go extinct"
                Super telling how as soon as I pointed out that your basic point was objectively wrong you immediately started moving goalposts though.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Americans jerking off about how they're the good guys.
                I don't understand the issue.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day you insufferable gay bitch

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was made in the era of peak wokeism and clown world. It should've been made in 2008 and it should've been Blompfcamp and Jackson

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Blomkamp fucking sucks, imagine pining for a guy whose output gets worse every single thing he makes

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They thought Master Chief was a character and not just a robot killing machine. They should have just made an R-rated version of Star Wars Clone Wars where you have marines having episodic adventures where they occasionally run into a spartan and see some wild shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They thought Master Chief was a character and not just a robot killing machine.

      Turns out they know the story better than you? Halo isn't a gormless Doomguy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Halo is a person
        have a nice day

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >John Halo isn't a person

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        John Halo has always been a self insert, same with every Halo protagonist.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          wrong

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"Wake me... when you need me"

        Master Chief literally understands his entire purposes is to be a gun aimed at whatever threatens us. He knows his place in the universe and isn't some over emotional person.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This would have been kino. Even Legends was closer to being on the right track with a couple of its episodes.

      >They thought Master Chief was a character and not just a robot killing machine.

      Turns out they know the story better than you? Halo isn't a gormless Doomguy

      Hello 343 cuck.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They wrote it for girls for some reason

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Girls are the only people paying for medis anymore young guys will just pirate stuff or watch reaction videos

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's just inherently broken, it choosing to draw focus on the morality of the spartan program whilst not an inherently bad idea completely breaks what Halo is about, at least within the games people like.

    Halo is a touch pulpy space adventure that was elevated by Halo 2's script fleshing out the political dealings within the Covenant, and the introduction of the Gravemind, as humanity was fighting it's last war for survival after being reduced to a single planet, intersected with the wonder of discovering what the Forerunners left behind.

    HaloTV has humanity being engaged with the Covvies for sometime, it's not first contact and it's not one planet left but people also think that aliens is UNSC propaganda, so the militaristic desperation subtext of Halo is gone. I was going to write a much longer post but I just cannot be bothered committing anymore energy to this show, I will say outright fucking weird how much the show nailed Halsey.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I will say outright fucking weird how much the show nailed Halsey
      DON'T CARE
      I still liked qt anime Halsey better.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Halo should've been judge dredd. He doesn't take his helmet off, minimal dialogue, but whenever he speaks its some badass line. The action scenes showcase how he's the best of the best. The covenant should fear him and tremble when he shows up on the battlefield. Give us a secondary character who we can "relate" to that accompanies master chief on the mission. That's how I see a halo movie working anyways. What do you guys think

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Halo should've been judge dredd.
      Which Judge Dredd? The 1995 Stallone one, or the 2012 one that was a career-ending financial failure?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >2012 one that was a career-ending
        Career ending for who exactly?
        Alex Garland? Karl Urban? Lena Headey?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >purposely not saying Olivia Thirlby
          disingenuous

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            She's done plenty of TV work and is in Nolans Oppenheimer biopic.
            Next

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Necessary and unfortunately reminder that Dredd was a massive commercial failure, it completely bombed. That style didn't appeal to anybody but a niche.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have seen a shocking number of Halo (game) fans try to argue that a Halo adaptation should be like the 2012 Dredd movie, and I have to question whether these people have any understanding of the film/TV industry. Dredd bombed incredibly hard. It's like The Thing. The Thing bombed. The prequel bombed. Yet people see no irony in arguing that new films should be more like The Thing. Yes, imitating financial catastrophes is a great way to run a movie studio.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was also a no name IP that no one besides a small handful of nerdy boomers know about and the trailers made it look like a C-list generic capeshit flick in a time where Marvel and DC were at the absolute height of their game

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not to mention the extreme positive word of mouth is the only reason anyone is currently talking about Dredd. Dismissing its stirytelling because it flopped at the box office is like Dismissing Shaw Shank Redemptions storytelling because it flopped at the box office. And I agree. If Halo were to work as a movie while staying true to the original trilogy it would be very much like Dredd 2012

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Not to mention the extreme positive word of mouth is the only reason anyone is currently talking about Dredd.
            Execs thinking that positive word of mouth will result in a successful sequel is how we got a The Thing prequel that flopped just like the first The Thing.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You people can defend this crap all you want because 'fuck Cinemaphile' or whatever, the show is still garbage.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >A show for the "I don't like video games but I'd like to know a version of the lore so I don't feel left out of the pop culture zeitgeist but leave out the yucky boy stuff I won't like" demographic
    >does poorly
    Every single time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>does poorly
      Did it, though? Paramount claim they're happy with the show, although obviously the big streaming platforms are pretty opaque about numbers.

      It's not like we have any evidence of the Halo show doing poorly with its target demographics. If the show doesn't get renewed for Season 3, that will clinch it, but Halo has been a constant fixture on the Paramount+ Top 10 since launch.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Paramount also claims to be happy with Star Trek Discovery and Picard, and we know for a fact both those shows have gotten shitty numbers every season yet they continue to double down on them regardless

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No they haven't, this is you just being deranged and delusional again.
          Both those shows are very successful.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No matter how many times you repeat this, shill, it won't make it true.

            >we know for a fact both those shows have gotten shitty numbers
            Do we? Aren't these streaming exclusives that aren't monitored by Nielsen ratings? How would we know for a fact

            Help me understand here

            It doesn't take a genius. I've never met anyone but bots and shills who claim to like the Kurtzmann Treks. Except Lower Decks, which may be lame but at least isn't actively offensive like Discovery and Picard are.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's a good idea to be skeptical about these things
              I've never met a person who watches NCIS but that show is apparently approaching 20 seasons and is still one of the top rated dramas on television

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >we know for a fact both those shows have gotten shitty numbers
          Do we? Aren't these streaming exclusives that aren't monitored by Nielsen ratings? How would we know for a fact

          Help me understand here

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unless there's some proof that shows like Picard are costing more to make than Paramount are making back from them, it seems like it's just fans saying, "Nobody I know likes them." Is there some concrete evidence these shows don't have a new audience? Because I see these cases where the old audience doesn't like something and assumes the world revolves around them. But meanwhile a completely new audience has latched onto, say, Star Trek TNG, which OG fans didn't like.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >But meanwhile a completely new audience has latched onto, say, Star Trek TNG, which OG fans didn't like.
            You are literally pulling bullshit out of your ass and citing it like fact. Holy shit, is this the level of shills /misc/ gets for Kurtzmann? Fuck off.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It is a fact that TNG didn't do well with original Star Trek fans, and led to a fanbase schism.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Discovery literally carried P+ in the US and ranked in the most watched shows on Netflix when they had it worldwide, and Paramount took on board hundreds of millions of dollars of cost to buy Netflix out (they were fully funding it's 100m+ per season budget) and get the show back for P+. It's beyond delusional to think Discovery entering season 5 is some secret failure that they're just making more of, again at hundreds of millions of dollars of cost, because ???? to own Trump or some similarly insane brain dribble?
            Picard is on Amazon and did huge numbers there as well.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm starting to think that internet pop culture discussion is starting to turn into literal alternate facts stuff where people convince themselves that Captain Marvel is hugely unpopular and Disney are secretly buying tickets.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Halo didn't do poorly.
      The only people who don't like it are game freaks, and they don't like the games anymore either!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem, anon, is that the streaming industry likes to hide concrete viewership numbers. Even Netflix obfuscated them a bit. If the Halo show were a movie, we could say, "Oh, it made 500 million dollars. It's clearly really popular, and we have demographic breakdowns and CinemaScore and things like that." With streaming it's all murky, and people choose to believe what they want to believe. You see this with people pretending that The Witcher Season 2 wasn't popular.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The problem, anon, is that the streaming industry likes to hide concrete viewership numbers.

          All that does is stop people playing Fantasy Baseball with tv ratings, it has very little actual meaning.
          When they say something does well they're not making it up (note: if you unironically think they do, you are unhinged) and you can combine that with things like whether it gets more seasons versus being shitcanned as an obvious indicator
          Do we know their actual profit/loss money amounts? No. Do we need to? No, we're not fucking shareholders.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Case in point, people can shit-talk the Resident Evil films all they want. Resident Evil: Retribution was an R rated movie that made 240 million dollars on a budget of 60 million. "The fans don't like it!" Evidently, they liked it enough, even if they didn't like it as much as Resident Evil: Afterlife, which made 300 million dollars on a similar budget. The thing about box office is that cold hard cash is cold hard cash. Resident Evil movies were successful. Monster Hunter was not. So nobody is going to make more Monster Hunter films anytime soon.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Note that the Resident Evil tv series got slam dunk cancelled on just one season, if things fail, they don't just keep making it and pretend it's succeeding for weird invented reasons broken brained people think up in this Swiss cheese brains

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Very true. Although it is worth noting that a lot of famous TV shows didn't do super well in their first season, and you could easily argue that given a second season the Netflix RE show might have proven itself in the long run. Netflix is very cancel happy currently, and they took AGES to renew Sandman, which is indicative of where the economy is right now.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Halo didn't do poorly.
        It absolutely did. It's the same problem that so much franchise based content has: requires fanbase support, but tells fanbase to go fuck itself before it even starts. Then tries roping in normies, but is so out there with random shit that someone from the fanbase would get (but would hate because it's in hard fuck you mode) that it has no hope of succeeding.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Entitled female gnomish writers who just want a free meal, hate wypipo things and see every gig as a chance to be an activist. That's it really.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am in the process of making a 40-60 minute cut that would cut out all of the Kwan and Soren bullshit, keep chief’s helmet on throughout and remove all traces of Pablo while also adding in music from the games. Additional voice lines for chief and Cortana would be spliced in. Would anyone watch it?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Noble effort anon, but even with all that, the TV show's plot is painfully generic compared to the worldbuilding of the games and it would still pale in comparison.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I guess, still I’m enjoying making it so there’s no real loss in finishing it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hell yeah brother, drop the link when you got it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would anon. I should add that I only played two Halo games, though.

      >why are you pretending not to understand that to most people the games are the source material?
      To most people the TV Witcher show is the source material, because way more people have seen the TV show. So I guess the shoe is now on the other foot. Funny how that works.

      Book fans whined about the game. Game fans whined about the show. But show fans aren't going to whine because they don't give a shit about the books and the games.

      Books fans didn't whine about the games, stop being a bitch. No fucking American can comment about what book fans did because they didn't get a translation until after the second game was release. Only Eurochads can.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Paramount shill posting hard

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every franchise showrunner seems to despise the material they're working on these days

    WHERE IS THE LOVE

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is what happens when you put women in the writer's room

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make a show about a game but do nothing the fans of the games would want and it's not good enough to stand on its own

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's not good enough to stand on its own
      The IMDB reviews and Paramount's reports on performance seem to indicate it did exactly that. People love the Halo show.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I liked it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >this female character is supposed to be a supersoldier genetically, drug, and surgically enhanced to be a perfect weapon.
      I cannot suspend my disbelief this much.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People who want permanent mask Chief are the ones who don't understand that video game Chief is a flat no personality self insert you actually see for like 30 minutes out of those 10 hour games while his AI girlfriend expositions to you most of the rest of the time inbetween shooting stuff endlessly
    You think that would actually fly as the centerpiece of 8 hours of tv?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They also don't understand that the Halo games have shit stories and terrible writing, not unlike Resident Evil fans. They're delusional, and adaptation creators end up walking on eggshells. Wheras people like Michael Bay did what he wanted with Transformers, made 3 banging movies and two shit ones, and ignores all the cartoon fan whining.

      The real problem is the online dominance of fandom, of man-children emotionally invested in pop culture who get very angry at not being the center of the universe, and who HATE that their dumb nerd knowledge is invalidated by adaptations that do their own thing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Bay
        >made 3 banging movies
        LMFAO, bet it makes you seethe that Bumblebee ended up being better received than Giant Robot Testicles.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not that guy but I'm a pretty unapologetic fan of the first three Transformers movies, albeit 2-3 tip into so-bad-its-good territory since they're where psychotic Optimus Prime really gets his thing on.
          I also think Bumblebee is a better movie than all three of them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Transformers 2 has noticeable quality issues, but the first three films form a coherent trilogy that ends in a satisfactory way. They're spectacular action films with some real heart, particularly in the first film. TF4 and TF5 are shit, and were made for the money, creatively bankrupt and hollow. But that doesn't make the first three films any less special.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bumblebee is basically just Herbie Fully Loaded with Transformers. It's an okay movie, but it left zero lasting impression. I remember lines like "Is it fear or courage that compels you, fleshling?" or "Is your daddy home?"

          Michael Bay was slated to direct Terminator 3 at one point, and watching Transformers 3 you can really tell.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Bumblebee is basically just Herbie Fully Loaded with Transformers.
            And yet, not only did it end up being better received by both normal audiences, critics and fans, it isn't an eyesore.
            >I remember lines like "Is it fear or courage that compels you, fleshling?" or "Is your daddy home?"
            Brief moments of brilliance. You know what they say about monkeys and Shakespeare.
            >Michael Bay was slated to direct Terminator 3 at one point,
            He should, maybe the franchise would have died faster.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >And yet, not only did it end up being better received by both normal audiences, critics and fans
              The 2007 Transformers movie has an 85% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea audiences prefer Bumblebee.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Transformers 2: 57%
                >Transformers 3: 55%

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Transformers 2 and 3 simply weren't as good as the first film, which is wont to happen. They didn't meet the bar of quality of the first film, but were still enjoyable romps.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bumblebee had good word of mouth, but it one of those victims of how a movies success can depend on what came before it
                It's like how X-Men First Class is one of the better regarded but weaker performing movies in that series, because it came after X-Men 3 which was awful but everybody saw because they loved 2

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bumblebee had good word of mouth, but it one of those victims of how a movies success can depend on what came before it
                That is also true, but I think you're potentially underestimating how much of a role Michael Bay played in Transformers' popularity. Nobody actually cares about the TF IP except nerds. They care about Bay's version. Cool geeks and sexy girls, fast cars and explosions. US military fetishism. Deep themes touched on then never leveraged because it would get in the way of the explosions.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And it had some cool in game mechanics.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Christ this is ugly. Much more unforgivable than any woke shit, the color, framing, lighting, cgi elements, none of it works together. I'd replace the technical people before the writers

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It doesn't take a genius. I've never met anyone but bots and shills who claim to like the Kurtzmann Treks.
    Reminder that because of limited fandom, globally, the only version of Star Trek that is popular are the JJ Abrams movies. Those had a much bigger reach than any previous version of ST, although obviously I'd agree they're a bit soulless. The big problem with Star Trek is that it was always super US-centric in terms of fanbase, and struggled to do big numbers theatrically elsewhere until the JJ films, although obviously people in the UK and stuff knew about Kirk and Scotty.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >moronfied half the cast
    >Didn't put in the only moron everyone give a shit about

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>Didn't put in the only moron everyone give a shit about
      I don't think anyone outside the game fanbase knows who Johnson is.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We already know the writers didn't play the games.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't think anyone outside the game fanbase knows who Johnson is.
        what the fuck kind of excuse is this?
        >only our audience will know what this is
        THAT'S THE POINT

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Network TV showed the first ep.here to try to get Paramount+ sign-ups.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What network?

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've seen Resident Evil (game) fans who are bitterly in denial that the Resident Evil films are what most people in the mainstream associate Resident Evil with. Music? The Manson theme, not the Mansion theme. Wesker? They associate Wesker with RE Afterlife Wesker. Who is the main character of Resident Evil? It's Alice, of course. Or else "Milla". The ability of game fans to be in denial about this is a lot like how fans of Avatar the Last Airbender are painfully in denial about James Cameron's Avatar being a household name, while Last Airbender is some kid's show. It's the secret of being popular without having an obnoxious "fandom" making fan art and stuff.

    That's why nobody turned up to Welcome to Racoon City, and why the Netflix show was cancelled. What is the Resident Evil brand? It's Alice, end to end. No Alice, no buy. Cry about it, but it won't change. The videogames exist in their own bubble, and that's fine. But nobody recognizes Jill Valentine outside of fandom. Everyone knows who Milla Jovovich is.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >halo thread
    >the resident evil guy is already here
    Yep nothing of value in this thread

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can't really talk about videogame adaptations without talking about the most successful videogame adaptation in history, anon. It's like talking about American pop music without talking about Michael Jackson. Resident Evil eclipses the other franchises in a hilarious way.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nope this bro is in every Halo thread praising the adaptation for being a minimal viable product to milk (you)’s. You can check the archives literally every single Halo thread he eventually shows up.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Halo show is good, so..?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's objectively, artistically, spiritually and theoretically not though. Sorry, honey, you lost this one.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's good, and I hope the second season doesn't go off the rails because the Brave New World guy is in charge now. Fortunately, the Halo games are falling apart, so hopefully that fanbase will die off soon and we won't have to deal with them anymore.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're on the wrong side of history here, champ. Sorry to burst your bubble.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                History is written by the victors. Paramount not only aren't cancelling the Halo show, they're already looking to franchise their franchise. Which means spinoff shows.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ooh, yeah, that's a big "yikes" from me. You, see, you're just talking put your ass with no sources, so like, you're just a babbling piss baby. Oof.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You, see, you're just talking put your ass with no sources
                The exact words Paramount used to describe Halo after seeing the Season 1 numbers were 'enormously franchizable".
                https://screenrant.com/halo-season-1-franchise-paramount-response/
                It's amazing how much the idiot game fanbase is seething and crying, wallowing in their own irrelevance as the Halo TV show takes over the franchise. God, it makes me so hard to see man-children crying angry tears.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it wasn't made for fans of the game!!!
    Even if it wasn't made for the fans of the games, they still managed to make something so bad that not even people with a passing knowledge of the videogames would want to spend time watching.
    They failed making old fans happy. They failed making new fans period. They're just fucking failures all around.
    I know the odds of anyone who actually had the ability to make decisions on that shit show reading this post are next to impossible but if by some miracle they do:
    Please have a nice day. Your family will understand why you did and they'll most likely be relieved you did.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They failed making new fans period.
      The Halo show is very popular. Only addled crackheads are in denial about that. What the fuck are you talking about you loon?

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Something I've noticed in recent years with nerds is this desperate cope to pretend that popular things are not in fact popular. Often involving feminist superheroes or whatever.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine the kind of mommy kino we could have gotten from a Paul W.S. Anderson Halo series. The biggest problem with Halo the show is that it doesn't ooze sexuality. It doesn't feel like the characters are wearing thinly disguised BDSM outfits. It doesn't feel like the director has real vision. It's very workmanlike, standard, conventional.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It doesn't feel like the characters are wearing thinly disguised BDSM outfits
      Imagine the balls a director to put in h4 Cortana now

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this.
        give us what we fucking want. stupid gay garden gnomes.
        I don't want to see masterchief take his helmet off and see the actor's big gnomish nose in every fucking shot and I don't want to see him butt fucking naked fucking some other gnomish actress playing a human in the Covenant.

        I want to see Cortana's huge tits and perfect hourglass figure jiggling with every calculated sway of her body.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With how bad 343 has been fucking Halo on a regular basis the powers that be intentionally made the show that much worse to take some of the ridicule off of them.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If 343 actually released a finished game
      with an active playerbase, then maybe that could have been a sound strategy

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you think they originally had something good and it just got butchered a piece at a time? I lean towards the theory that it was actually some old crappy Mass Effect show script that got repurposed.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I seriously love these military industrial complex propaganda pieces.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They completely butchered the lore, in the books Halsey told the Spartans day one their purpose and everything, she didn't wanted them to turn against her and ruin her program by lying to them. They did the complete opposite on the show for fake drama
    All Humans can activate the Forerunners tech in the games, the Covenant can't (or at least can't activate the rings), the Prophets knew this and that's why they wanted to eradicate us to preserve the Covenant, the shit in the show doesn't make any sense.
    The show looks like some cheap sci-fi script that nobody wanted until they put a Halo skin on it, and that's pretty much it.
    I understand the point of making the MasterChief a "character" but he whines all the time, treats the helmet like a fucking motorcycle helmet and fucks a enemy spy.

    I still don't understand in 2022 how they didn't make this :
    >One Halo CE movie, faithful adaptation to launch the IP
    >Bunch of Halo shows or miniseries on their streaming devices between movies
    They had golds in their hands, I mean how many dudes playing Halo 3 in 2007 are dads right now ? They already had an audience with fond memories of that era and they butchered it big time and a fucking season 2 in on the way.
    At least the Resident Evil show was rightfully cancelled

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Before 343 took over, Humans were the direct genetic descendants of Forerunners.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know, I hated what they did with them in H4 by making them a different species.
        Not to mention the Didact who at least had the potential to be the main villain of the new trilogy, and instead they killed him off in a comic book and somehow Cortana turned evil, ultimately making Noble team's sacrifice pointless
        Kinda liked Infinite, because the gameplay is fun and the campaign is better than H5, but goddamn the story is a fucking mess

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ultimately making Noble team's sacrifice pointless
          ah fuck it literally never occurred to me that now Noble Team are the art school to Cortana's Hitler.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who knew that turning one of the heroes who saved the galaxy thrice over into a deranged maniac wanting to enslave all sentient life wasn't a good idea? Not 343, that's for sure.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thankfully, this isn't true. Bungie made them not forerunners.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It made more sense that the clusterfuck lore that we got now.
          I think the Floods are now from spare spores that they gave to eat to their space dogs or some shit.

          Not to mention H4 and 5 where you have to do homework and read fucking books to understand wtf is going in the games.
          In the Bungie era except maybe read the manual you had nothing to do, the books were to expanse the universe

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What went wrong?
    Throwing Halo props into a script that clearly was meant to be Mass Effect.

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    W*men

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everything that happened to Halo after Bungie left is what went wrong and it will continue to keep being wrong. Just fucking kill the franchise already.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lol
    lmao

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I feel sorry for Joe Staten. He probably joined to work on Halo again because he actually cares for it, but he looks like he's had his soul sucked out of him the past few months.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Halo community really overhypes him. He's a good writer but he wasn't the game director or anything.
        Not to say that I don't like him, but he's not the Halo mesiah twitter makes him out to be.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Staten's career in Halo is a frustrating and unfortunate one.
          After his writing elevated, and arguably saved Halo 2's single player, he was given the director's chair to a spin off and to work alongside Peter Jackson on the Halo movie. Then Halo 3 suffered without his writing, then the movie was cancelled, then the spin off was cancelled and quickly reformed into ODST from the scraps, then his ideas were stolen by Neil Blomkamp, the same idea again being perverted by 343 in Halo 4, then his ideas were also perverted/tossed out/reused/rewritten by Bungie themselves on Destiny.

          Dude deserves a win.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The man wrote Contact Harvest, a fucking great book that oozes that distinct Halo vibe we all know but can't describe. That book is what Halo season 1 should've been.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Customer and Growth-Focused Gaming Business Leader
      Lmao indeed.

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is far easier to list what went right. The list would be zero items.

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    alright, lets play a game

    name at least ONE GOOD THING about the show
    not saying the show is good, but there are some aspects that are
    >I think the Halsey cast is good
    >Although Cortanas design kinda sucks, having Jen Taylor do the voice was a good decision
    >The Spartan Costumes in most scenes look great still some scenes where they look rubbery when impacting something

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >name at least ONE GOOD THING about the show
      It won't get a second season.

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    post the big girl spartan

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    actual retarded showrunners or a deliberate failure. maybe they thought if they have such a shitstain of a show their other offerings look good.

    it's a shame though, because we've gotten a glimpse at Halo through the old commercials and Blompkamps short films. but a great original story is too much to ask for from these imbeciles.

    its a shame really. If it had been me I'd have adapted Halo: Reach for season 1. I'd have gotten Marty to do the soundtrack again, and the writers job would have been to play halo reach 10 times and read the fall of reach in order to come up with enough story for 10-12 episodes. i think the first half of the season would've been NOBLE's attempt to destroy thesupercarrier. following that I'm not sure what would work better: halo: reachs story as it stands, or try to blend it with the fall of reach prowler/nav database plot.

    either way i think this would have been THE biggest scifi show that would brought in so many people: old halo fans, fans of BSG, fans of Stargate, fans of the expanse and just people who want scifi action. for newbies it would have ticked all the boxes to introduce the world of halo and leave them wanting more.

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm just confused.
    Ever since the former Witcher writer revealed that members of the writer's room hated and mocked the source material everyone has drawn the connection between the two shows. However the show was a 343 project as much as it was a Showtime/Viacom/Paramount project, 343 were green lighting every single one of these choices, and whilst I know they are that stupid judging from the writing in their own games, it just doesn't make any sense how they are so inept to allow the choice made in the TV show to even happen.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >343 were green lighting every single one of these choices,

      Doesn't mean shit, they were eager to launch the IP and get money from it, it's been 10 years of destroying Halo, they don't give a fuck.
      It's like the Godzilla movie from the 90's, the actual project was faithful while being fresh for a new audience, they canned everything, greenlighted the new project from hot shots directors of the time and ended with a shitshow that had almost nothing to do with Godzilla. And there's countless examples of that kind of stuff in Hollywood.

      Staten's career in Halo is a frustrating and unfortunate one.
      After his writing elevated, and arguably saved Halo 2's single player, he was given the director's chair to a spin off and to work alongside Peter Jackson on the Halo movie. Then Halo 3 suffered without his writing, then the movie was cancelled, then the spin off was cancelled and quickly reformed into ODST from the scraps, then his ideas were stolen by Neil Blomkamp, the same idea again being perverted by 343 in Halo 4, then his ideas were also perverted/tossed out/reused/rewritten by Bungie themselves on Destiny.

      Dude deserves a win.

      I read a few weeks ago the cancelled Halo's movie script, it wasn't perfect and definitely needed some changes, but goddamn it was miles better than the show.

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >15 years too late
    >diversity casting
    >written (presumably) by garden gnomes

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I genuinely think Halo has moments of great story telling and it certainly has a lot of great art, music, ideas, books, and just a generally cool setting. I think it deserves to be included among the best video games ever.

    These types of shows are just a symptom of our civilizational decay. By now many franchises are old enough to have gone through multiple different forms like Dragon Ball becoming Z then Super. Most of the franchises that maintain their quality are overseen (even if it's nominally) by their original creators. Halo should've ended at 3, but Bungies vision concluded at Reach. We've had zombie Halo since Halo 4 dropped these alternate reality(?) Shows are just the next step down and possibly the bottom of quality because I'm not sure how you can get and shittier beyond making a cash grab kids movie like some of the garbage from the 80s.

    I can't even be sad over this show it's funny to me. What's sad is seeing how everything has become like this show even things in real life.

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think someone realised late in the day that the asia girl story was trash so they retooled it. That's why you get that one whole episode that's just the end of her season arc, someone was like "we need to handle this shitpile, just get it over with once and for all".
    I don't like this "chosen one" shit they did with John, just feels dumb and hacky.
    I liked some of what they did with the interior ONI politics, but I think they made them too overtly bad in their haste to do a whole "evil fascists oppressin' cute innocent separatists" thing. In the games it felt more like they were super shady but within reason considering existential threats to mankind, in the show it feels gratuitous and less credible.
    The premise of the Covenant adopting a human is pretty shaky but I think the character turned out well, some good dynamics at play. They did a good job making it ambiguous whether or not she was being genuine, she's a pretty subtle character which is rare.
    I don't think it's necessarily bad writing but I don't like how they're handling John & Cortana's relationship. It's just less enjoyable than what they developed across the games.
    The score is NOT GOOD. The music is such a huge part of the atmosphere of the games, really feels like they dropped all the balls on the music front.
    Fundamentally: not enough Halos for 90% of the show.

    But overall it wasn't so bad, I'll probably watch the second season.

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Could've just focused the entire thing on a Band of Brothers squad of ODST with Master Chiefs plotline interspersed and crossing paths just like the games. Instead we got the diversity olympics again featuring Car 2021 Model 846 instead of warthogs. There's no oversight in the film industry at this point

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some of the action scenes are pretty good. Literally everything else about this abomination is bad.

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just about every single thing.

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This show isn't great
    But it's important to bear in mind there's a huge school of people whose review of this show will be based on shit like "They had jackals using energy swords, can you believe it? JACKALS using ENERGY SWORDS"

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Kai, Riz, Miranda, Catherine, Cortana, Makee.

    Nothing at all. I'm drowning in waifus over here and am looking forward to the next season and hope its about the Fall of Reach.

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