no slave leia outfit and a better role for Leia and Han as well
include Cindel Towani from the ewoks movies
Anakin still turns to the light side but DOES NOT DIE so he will still be alive in the sequels and not die until Rise of Skywalker
>Anakin still turns to the light side but DOES NOT DIE so he will still be alive in the sequels and not die until Rise of Skywalker
Marvel and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
>Luke has an actual plan for Jabba's palace (cut the runtime for this bit by half) >Replace Ewoks with Wookies >Change the Luke revealing to Leia that theyre siblings or scrap that idea entirely >Redo the throne room duel so that Vader doesn't just fall into the railing for no apparent reason >change Vaders unmasking with a slightly younger actor and more burn makeup/prosthetics
I dunno, anon. The Empire establishing and defending a shield generator on a forest full of Ewoks seems more believable than them doing the same on a forest full of Wookies.
I never thought about how easy it would be to just stick your shield generator on top of some mountain on endor hawaii or something no ewok would ever go to and park the death star in geosynchronous orbit over that. It being ewoks makes it easier to believe no one gave a shit about any threat they'd pose.
The choreography in the OT wasn't that elaborate in general. But the in-universe explanation is simply that Luke's mastery of Form V was better than Vader's at that point, and he was conflicted about fighting his son anyway.
There's several lighsaber combat forms, and canon has shown that form V tends to dominate the rest.
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this is true IRL too
karate power strikes > jittery kung fu
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it all depends on the person
luke and anakin were both physically dominating and it suited them
someone less proficient would've been wiped out by dooku
Vader imo should never be beaten through pure skill or be holding back. It's Vader. This is where him being Luke's dad can be taken too far, it diminishes the intimidation of him if he turns into a complete softie right away. Luke should have beaten him only because he was powered up by the dark side and surprised Vader when Vader himself was calm and not powered up by anger.
>>Luke has an actual plan for Jabba's palace (cut the runtime for this bit by half)
This. This is the worst part of ROTJ Luke's "plan" makes no fricking sense and is more convoluted than the Joker's plan in TDK unironically.
>don’t kill boba, actually just have him not even in the movie, he collected his shit and went on to the next job >Wookies over ewoks >don’t make Leia his sister, it’s stupid >give Han more to do
Everything luke does in Rotj is fricking great. He, wedge and lando carry the movie
Easier to say than write, but Leia and Han needed more. Once they arrive at the door on Endor their plot doesn't go anywhere, and their characters aren't developed in the movie really at all. The most they get is consciously resolving the "love triangle" which was never much of a triangle to begin with. I've never loved the Leia sister thing, but it's odd that her perspective on Darth Vader being her father isn't addressed. It makes it that much more obvious that Leia being Luke's sister was just expedient to tie off the "other" line from Empire.
Another Death Star was a mistake. Obi-Wan's scene with Luke should've had more faith in the audience.
Not anon, but assume he means Obi Wan's "from a certain point of view" tidbit, which was supposed to be a mild retcon from what he told Luke about his father in Episode IV, was unnecessary.
Not anon, but assume he means Obi Wan's "from a certain point of view" tidbit, which was supposed to be a mild retcon from what he told Luke about his father in Episode IV, was unnecessary.
. But I'll elaborate further. It was a perfect opportunity to explore Obi-Wan's motivations and his insecurities, but instead of accepting his decision to lie as understandable (which almost everyone in the audience does) and further exploring that the movie instead has him go on a tangent of sophistry which feels a bit tone deaf and unnatural.
>but it's odd that her perspective on Darth Vader being her father isn't addressed.
EU authors for both the original EU and the canon EU have included this as a plot point, it sucks that her opinions on her parentage aren't in the movie at all, not even in the sequels, when they had 30 years of hindsight.
Just kill Han off the way Harrison Ford and Lawrence Kasdan wanted to, or else introduce a new female lead for Luke.
Lucas originally was going to have Luke's sister be a new character. I presume Han would shack up with her, if he lived.
Things that need to be fixed >Leia needs something to do that develops her character, probably something about becoming a rebel leader or her using force sensitivity to do something that helps >Han needs something to do that develops her character, probably something about him being heroic and less selfish, doesn't have to be a death but a self sacrifice would really fit. >Boba Fett needs a better fight and send off >You can keep Ewoks but also make it Wookies who do the fighting, they live together or whatever.
I'm not really a writer so I don't know how to fix most of it, just make general suggestions.
It's really unfair that Leia had to wear that bikini. Everyone else should have to do it too. Luke, Han, Lando, Chewy, Vader, R2D2, everyone. The whole movie, everyone in the metal bikini. It's the only equitable solution.
I would have had Darth Vader quietly contemplate if he should save his son from as the emperor tortures him. Vader should look at his son, then to the emperor, then to his son, in silence, until he finally decides to take action.
Good idea, anon. Also: >Sarlaac is a gaping maw with tentacles, no beak. This makes it a scarier beast. >"Jedi Rocks" is replaced with an exotic, disco-esque tune sung by an alien puppet >No Dug walks down the stairs immediately before Luke enters Jabba's palace
I get that people don't like the CGI beak but original sarlacc looks like such shit. it looks like... well it looks like a bunch of fake rubber tentacles being pulled around on strings, which is exactly what it actually is.
Wookies instead of Ewoks with Chewie leading the battle. And Han piloting the Falcon but he doesn't make it out of the Death Star and dies in the explosion. Movie ends with Leia holding her belly and smiles as Luke turns to see the force ghost of his father next to Obi Wan and Yoda. Nub Nub
the ewoks themselves weren't bad, what was bad was cutting back and forth between a climactic duel between father and son and some goons shooting guns and throwing rocks innawoods
Better cinematography to make Endor more spectacular. It's a Californian Redwood forest, and those are the tallest trees in the world, but the camera work is always at ground level. More vertical or overhead shots, taking in the awesome scale of the trees, would have helped to make this location feel as exotic and faraway as Tatooine or Hoth.
>cut down Jabba's Palace, only Luke goes to save Han with Lando already in disguise there >Luke, Han, and Leia are the ones that steal the info about the Emperor instead of the Bothan spies, includes a whole new planet/action setpiece >big end battle only includes space battle and ground assault to capture the Emperor >the Rebels fail and get captured, the Emperor tells Luke that he'll let them go if Luke comes with him, Luke agrees >Emperor, Vader, and Luke go to the Throne Room, but the Rebel fleet gets attacked as they're leaving, Emperor tells Luke he must submit to the Dark Side completely if his friends are to survive >Throne Room scenes play out almost exactly the same >Luke wins the day by laying down his arms and redeeming his father, truly cementing his place as the savior of the galaxy
No Death Star, and no Endor. Bring back pic related.
This is good I'll add that you should have Han, C3PO and R2D2 die in the final battle to add weight. No Leia Luke sister thing. I know this isn't ROTJ but they should've had a scene in Empire of the rebels talking about how more systems are joining them because of the Death Star's destruction. This would explain how they amassed a big enough fleet to rush and take on the defenses of the Emperor's world in Return. Battle should be Scarif tier or better. The series should make good on its promise of the power of the force and have scenes of Vader and Luke in battle force repulsing/mass force choking troops and brining down capital ships.
Oh yeah making Luke and Leia related was contrived and unnecessary. Should've been enough for Vader to make him angry without the twinshit, and Han shouldn't have made it off Tatooine alive.
>there's too much neat shit there.
That's my problem with Jabba, there's TOO MUCH neat shit. I think they blew their budget and talent on the Palace, and it makes the rest of the movie feel kind of cheap compared to Empire.
Both RotJ and Empire were conceived hastily to capitalize on the success of their previous films, and neither are as fun, energetic, and uplifting as the original film which was an artists passion project.
I wouldn’t have made either.
I would have added this message in the end credits: This the end of a Trilogy for which no prequels or sequels can be made. Just these three movies folks! Nothing more. If someone ever gets the rights to this beloved IP and makes more stuff, please treat it as the fanfiction that is is. Go forth and enjoy your lives. May the Force be with you.
I had a total mandella affect with her death scene. i remember as a kid watching the scene where she falls into the Rancor pit, and distinctly remember hearing her scream and then hearing the scream get garbbled up as shes eaten. but i watched it and that never happens, she just screams and it cuts away to lukes entrance and thats it
I would have had Darth Vader quietly contemplate if he should save his son from as the emperor tortures him. Vader should look at his son, then to the emperor, then to his son, in silence, until he finally decides to take action.
This anon didnt even know Vader never originally said “No!” when picking up the emperor and throwing him down the shaft so what you remember might be how it was originally
Yeah there's two versions, the original where she falls in, screams and you hear her get eaten, and the "special edition" shit where you see her in the pit, it cuts away and you hear her scream but then there's nothing else
Cut out Endor entirely
Leia being Luke's sister is honestly dumb in hindsight
2nd Death Star is pretty contrived, make the plot flow a bit better
Maybe the rebels find out the location of the Emperor and basically attempt a crazy assassination attempt
In this hypothetical scenario they could have even found out the location of the Emperor (who would be in transit for once and therefore vulnerable) through some contrivance in Jabba's Palace while rescuing Han
Then Han/Lando and the rebels attack some smaller but still menacing space station/ship carrying the Emperor with their ragtag/inferior fleet, sacrificing lives so that Luke could get aboard and confront Vader and the Emperor
Lightsabers slice through people. Boba Fett doesnt go to the Sarlaac execution. Han Solo is gruffer and more consistent with the other movies. Luke switches his feet more in his duel with Vader.
Luke should bring a bunch of no name rebels to rescue Han for Boba to pick off. He survives Luke's rescue then comes back at the end battle to have a final fight with Han.
Wookies in stead of ewoks perhaps
Also, made the musical scene not an embarassing cringefest
No slave leia being such a young and underdeveloped body, always found it too naked to me
PG-13.
Also, I wish they had kept in the subplot about the death star going to blow up Endor's moon, as well as the other deleted scenes.
Luke starts off way too confident in this movie. He literally hands himself over to Vader and makes Vader his b***h. We last saw him failing. We need to see the development between the two points.
I'm surprised that so many people are against Leia being Luke's sister. I guess I've always taken this for granted, even though I know it wasn't always Lucas' intention. Can any anon's elaborate on why they think this is such a bad idea?
Cheap stupid way to solve the love triangle, any adult watching in 83 would have known the purpose of it instantly. It also needlessly shrinks the universe to have luke and leia be that connected, same tier as "Darth Vader built C3PO"
So who is the other Yoda refers to? Do you think Han should have died and, if so, wouldn't that also be a rather unsatisfying way to resolve the love triangle (which I thought was mostly resolved in Empire anyway).
So Luke would have failed and presumably been killed by Vader, but somehow Vader would be redeemed anyway and defeated the Emperor? Presumably by his feelings of guilt towards killing his son? That doesn't seem very compelling to me - almost like Vader would be redeemed no matter what happens, which seems to undercut any meaningful impact created by the characters. If he was willing to duel his son on Bespin, maim him, and allow him to jump to his possible death, I don't think Vader would have been redeemed by Luke's death.
Also, I think it makes Yoda's statement rather odd. There is "another" and he's the person they were just talking about Luke confronting strikes me as deliberately obfuscatory, rather than intriguingly cryptic.
No, Luke doesn’t die, he just doesn’t start the 3rd movie competent and confident. He should be a bit of a nervous wreck following from Empire, not pulling off 4D chess plans with Jaba and then Vader.
It's just contrived, and the story does nothing with it (
Easier to say than write, but Leia and Han needed more. Once they arrive at the door on Endor their plot doesn't go anywhere, and their characters aren't developed in the movie really at all. The most they get is consciously resolving the "love triangle" which was never much of a triangle to begin with. I've never loved the Leia sister thing, but it's odd that her perspective on Darth Vader being her father isn't addressed. It makes it that much more obvious that Leia being Luke's sister was just expedient to tie off the "other" line from Empire.
Another Death Star was a mistake. Obi-Wan's scene with Luke should've had more faith in the audience.
). Even the idea that it resolves the love triangle is a stretch because there was never really any such triangle. The entire B-plot of Empire was an excuse to develop Han and Leia's relationship, after all.
unfrick the jabba's palace plotting to make sense (this would take a complete rewrite but the finished product is so damn poorly plotted it's insane). Have the empire attack at the end of this too, they're too absent and not proactive enough despite winning the second movie.
no conversation with obi wan, no leia is luke's sister
emperor still wants to lure the rebels into a decisive ambush somehow in a way that also gives them an opportunity
han dies heroically reversing this trap
throne room stuff was good
movie ends
*you still have to manufacture some retcon of "why did obi wan lie about darth killing his father" but just do it with some cheeky metaphor and surreal imagery instead of having ghost kenobi sit down and bullshit for 5 minutes in a way that's indistinguishable from being alive
I always hated a second death star as lame but it really makes perfect sense in terms of sci-fi. It's actually much lamer to have the typical EU one-of-a-kind snowflake superweapon that could never be replicated. It shows the vitality of the empire to be able to build more and more of these things. Hell, have 3 of them in different stages of completion.
I rewatched RotJ 2 weeks ago and I feel now that replacing the Ewoks with Wookies would be like replacing Frodo & Sam with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bruce Willis.
not involve the Ewoks in the final battle
everything leads up to the throne room duel
no ewoks, no leia being lukes sister
And make it so its not cutting between the ground battle, space battle, and throne room the whole time, keep it focused
Leia keeps wearing the bikini for the whole movie. Otherwise, everything is the same.
less forest scenes
no slave leia outfit and a better role for Leia and Han as well
include Cindel Towani from the ewoks movies
Anakin still turns to the light side but DOES NOT DIE so he will still be alive in the sequels and not die until Rise of Skywalker
>no slave leia outfit
get out
>Anakin still turns to the light side but DOES NOT DIE so he will still be alive in the sequels and not die until Rise of Skywalker
Marvel and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Fricking have a nice day
>Luke has an actual plan for Jabba's palace (cut the runtime for this bit by half)
>Replace Ewoks with Wookies
>Change the Luke revealing to Leia that theyre siblings or scrap that idea entirely
>Redo the throne room duel so that Vader doesn't just fall into the railing for no apparent reason
>change Vaders unmasking with a slightly younger actor and more burn makeup/prosthetics
Ewoks with Wookies
I’ve always thought that too. Is this a common sentiment?
I dunno, anon. The Empire establishing and defending a shield generator on a forest full of Ewoks seems more believable than them doing the same on a forest full of Wookies.
Still, Ewoks are fricking dumb.
I never thought about how easy it would be to just stick your shield generator on top of some mountain on endor hawaii or something no ewok would ever go to and park the death star in geosynchronous orbit over that. It being ewoks makes it easier to believe no one gave a shit about any threat they'd pose.
not only was it a common sentiment, but it was even the original idea
>>Redo the throne room duel so that Vader doesn't just fall into the railing for no apparent reason
What are you babbling about?
When Luke beats Vader right before he cuts off his hand he just down on the railing and gives up.
The choreography in the OT wasn't that elaborate in general. But the in-universe explanation is simply that Luke's mastery of Form V was better than Vader's at that point, and he was conflicted about fighting his son anyway.
>But the in-universe explanation
In English, doc?
There's several lighsaber combat forms, and canon has shown that form V tends to dominate the rest.
this is true IRL too
karate power strikes > jittery kung fu
it all depends on the person
luke and anakin were both physically dominating and it suited them
someone less proficient would've been wiped out by dooku
Vader imo should never be beaten through pure skill or be holding back. It's Vader. This is where him being Luke's dad can be taken too far, it diminishes the intimidation of him if he turns into a complete softie right away. Luke should have beaten him only because he was powered up by the dark side and surprised Vader when Vader himself was calm and not powered up by anger.
>>Luke has an actual plan for Jabba's palace (cut the runtime for this bit by half)
This. This is the worst part of ROTJ Luke's "plan" makes no fricking sense and is more convoluted than the Joker's plan in TDK unironically.
>don’t kill boba, actually just have him not even in the movie, he collected his shit and went on to the next job
>Wookies over ewoks
>don’t make Leia his sister, it’s stupid
>give Han more to do
Everything luke does in Rotj is fricking great. He, wedge and lando carry the movie
Great point
everything aside from endor works brilliantly.
not have weird slow-motion pacing for most of the movie and repetitive scenes
not return to tattooine
no second death star
no ewoks
han dies
leia isn't luke's sister
luke's characterization is more along the lines of what mark hamill originally wanted, a samurai with a top knot etc.
Easier to say than write, but Leia and Han needed more. Once they arrive at the door on Endor their plot doesn't go anywhere, and their characters aren't developed in the movie really at all. The most they get is consciously resolving the "love triangle" which was never much of a triangle to begin with. I've never loved the Leia sister thing, but it's odd that her perspective on Darth Vader being her father isn't addressed. It makes it that much more obvious that Leia being Luke's sister was just expedient to tie off the "other" line from Empire.
Another Death Star was a mistake. Obi-Wan's scene with Luke should've had more faith in the audience.
>Obi-Wan's scene with Luke should've had more faith in the audience.
Elaborate please?
Not anon, but assume he means Obi Wan's "from a certain point of view" tidbit, which was supposed to be a mild retcon from what he told Luke about his father in Episode IV, was unnecessary.
This
. But I'll elaborate further. It was a perfect opportunity to explore Obi-Wan's motivations and his insecurities, but instead of accepting his decision to lie as understandable (which almost everyone in the audience does) and further exploring that the movie instead has him go on a tangent of sophistry which feels a bit tone deaf and unnatural.
>but it's odd that her perspective on Darth Vader being her father isn't addressed.
EU authors for both the original EU and the canon EU have included this as a plot point, it sucks that her opinions on her parentage aren't in the movie at all, not even in the sequels, when they had 30 years of hindsight.
Lucas originally was going to have Luke's sister be a new character. I presume Han would shack up with her, if he lived.
RotJ and the sequels both did Leia dirty. I'm sure Leia would've gotten more focus in IX had Fisher not died, but still.
Luke on Leia penetration
Things that need to be fixed
>Leia needs something to do that develops her character, probably something about becoming a rebel leader or her using force sensitivity to do something that helps
>Han needs something to do that develops her character, probably something about him being heroic and less selfish, doesn't have to be a death but a self sacrifice would really fit.
>Boba Fett needs a better fight and send off
>You can keep Ewoks but also make it Wookies who do the fighting, they live together or whatever.
I'm not really a writer so I don't know how to fix most of it, just make general suggestions.
One more thing just remove Leia being Luke's sister, just make Yoda's line about another being him predicting Vader's redemption.
It's really unfair that Leia had to wear that bikini. Everyone else should have to do it too. Luke, Han, Lando, Chewy, Vader, R2D2, everyone. The whole movie, everyone in the metal bikini. It's the only equitable solution.
Fine, as long as that includes Leia wearing nothing but a thong in a bacta tank like Luke did in Empire.
I'm willing to accept those terms.
Do you guys think audiences are going to go for Luke not getting the girl if leia isn’t his sister? How do you solve the love triangle?
Just kill Han off the way Harrison Ford and Lawrence Kasdan wanted to, or else introduce a new female lead for Luke.
I would have had Darth Vader quietly contemplate if he should save his son from as the emperor tortures him. Vader should look at his son, then to the emperor, then to his son, in silence, until he finally decides to take action.
Good idea, anon. Also:
>Sarlaac is a gaping maw with tentacles, no beak. This makes it a scarier beast.
>"Jedi Rocks" is replaced with an exotic, disco-esque tune sung by an alien puppet
>No Dug walks down the stairs immediately before Luke enters Jabba's palace
I get that people don't like the CGI beak but original sarlacc looks like such shit. it looks like... well it looks like a bunch of fake rubber tentacles being pulled around on strings, which is exactly what it actually is.
He did, that was one of Lucas’s additions to the OT, at least I always remember Vader not saying anything and just grabbing the Emperor
Nothing. It's perfect the way it is. Except maybe extend Jabba's Palace scenes, add more Max Rebo.
Wookies instead of Ewoks with Chewie leading the battle. And Han piloting the Falcon but he doesn't make it out of the Death Star and dies in the explosion. Movie ends with Leia holding her belly and smiles as Luke turns to see the force ghost of his father next to Obi Wan and Yoda. Nub Nub
Luke and leia aren't related, never go to jabbas palace
these two changes save the entire franchise
the ewoks themselves weren't bad, what was bad was cutting back and forth between a climactic duel between father and son and some goons shooting guns and throwing rocks innawoods
Better cinematography to make Endor more spectacular. It's a Californian Redwood forest, and those are the tallest trees in the world, but the camera work is always at ground level. More vertical or overhead shots, taking in the awesome scale of the trees, would have helped to make this location feel as exotic and faraway as Tatooine or Hoth.
>cut down Jabba's Palace, only Luke goes to save Han with Lando already in disguise there
>Luke, Han, and Leia are the ones that steal the info about the Emperor instead of the Bothan spies, includes a whole new planet/action setpiece
>big end battle only includes space battle and ground assault to capture the Emperor
>the Rebels fail and get captured, the Emperor tells Luke that he'll let them go if Luke comes with him, Luke agrees
>Emperor, Vader, and Luke go to the Throne Room, but the Rebel fleet gets attacked as they're leaving, Emperor tells Luke he must submit to the Dark Side completely if his friends are to survive
>Throne Room scenes play out almost exactly the same
>Luke wins the day by laying down his arms and redeeming his father, truly cementing his place as the savior of the galaxy
No Death Star, and no Endor. Bring back pic related.
This is good I'll add that you should have Han, C3PO and R2D2 die in the final battle to add weight. No Leia Luke sister thing. I know this isn't ROTJ but they should've had a scene in Empire of the rebels talking about how more systems are joining them because of the Death Star's destruction. This would explain how they amassed a big enough fleet to rush and take on the defenses of the Emperor's world in Return. Battle should be Scarif tier or better. The series should make good on its promise of the power of the force and have scenes of Vader and Luke in battle force repulsing/mass force choking troops and brining down capital ships.
Probably just make the Ewoks less pandering to small kids. I used to think the Jabba subplot was wasteful, but there's too much neat shit there.
Oh yeah making Luke and Leia related was contrived and unnecessary. Should've been enough for Vader to make him angry without the twinshit, and Han shouldn't have made it off Tatooine alive.
>there's too much neat shit there.
That's my problem with Jabba, there's TOO MUCH neat shit. I think they blew their budget and talent on the Palace, and it makes the rest of the movie feel kind of cheap compared to Empire.
Luke and Leia being siblings really screws with the the two other movies, especially Empire.
there have been similar stories in real life when accidental incest happens
granted, a single kiss isn't all that controversial
Both RotJ and Empire were conceived hastily to capitalize on the success of their previous films, and neither are as fun, energetic, and uplifting as the original film which was an artists passion project.
I wouldn’t have made either.
I would have added this message in the end credits: This the end of a Trilogy for which no prequels or sequels can be made. Just these three movies folks! Nothing more. If someone ever gets the rights to this beloved IP and makes more stuff, please treat it as the fanfiction that is is. Go forth and enjoy your lives. May the Force be with you.
more Jedi Rocks
More twi'lek screentime
I had a total mandella affect with her death scene. i remember as a kid watching the scene where she falls into the Rancor pit, and distinctly remember hearing her scream and then hearing the scream get garbbled up as shes eaten. but i watched it and that never happens, she just screams and it cuts away to lukes entrance and thats it
Lucas made a lot of shitty changes
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This anon didnt even know Vader never originally said “No!” when picking up the emperor and throwing him down the shaft so what you remember might be how it was originally
Yeah there's two versions, the original where she falls in, screams and you hear her get eaten, and the "special edition" shit where you see her in the pit, it cuts away and you hear her scream but then there's nothing else
cut out the teddy bear shit
1. No death star. Instead the target of focus would be the emperor
2. No ewoks.
3. Leia isn't Luke's sister.
Have every human turn into an Ewok and vice versa
I would have made the Ewoks carnivorous warriors that looked cute and were intelligent but turned into maniacs during battle.
Cut out Endor entirely
Leia being Luke's sister is honestly dumb in hindsight
2nd Death Star is pretty contrived, make the plot flow a bit better
Maybe the rebels find out the location of the Emperor and basically attempt a crazy assassination attempt
In this hypothetical scenario they could have even found out the location of the Emperor (who would be in transit for once and therefore vulnerable) through some contrivance in Jabba's Palace while rescuing Han
Then Han/Lando and the rebels attack some smaller but still menacing space station/ship carrying the Emperor with their ragtag/inferior fleet, sacrificing lives so that Luke could get aboard and confront Vader and the Emperor
nothing, it was the movie it needed to be
No Death Star 2, it's only there for more space fighting. The final "battle" could have all happened on Endor, just like Hoth
Lightsabers slice through people. Boba Fett doesnt go to the Sarlaac execution. Han Solo is gruffer and more consistent with the other movies. Luke switches his feet more in his duel with Vader.
Luke should bring a bunch of no name rebels to rescue Han for Boba to pick off. He survives Luke's rescue then comes back at the end battle to have a final fight with Han.
the opening escape was so much better than the rest of the film, they should have just ended the movie after that.
Wookies in stead of ewoks perhaps
Also, made the musical scene not an embarassing cringefest
No slave leia being such a young and underdeveloped body, always found it too naked to me
PG-13.
Also, I wish they had kept in the subplot about the death star going to blow up Endor's moon, as well as the other deleted scenes.
Luke starts off way too confident in this movie. He literally hands himself over to Vader and makes Vader his b***h. We last saw him failing. We need to see the development between the two points.
Agree, THIS is the move Disney should make. They'd have to have a lot of attention to detail so it fits with the OT and cast Sebastian Stan.
align the ewoks with the empire so luke could have his sandpeople village moment for rhyming
I'm surprised that so many people are against Leia being Luke's sister. I guess I've always taken this for granted, even though I know it wasn't always Lucas' intention. Can any anon's elaborate on why they think this is such a bad idea?
Of course the kisses like when she kisses him to make Han jealous and the fact it makes it all too convenient.
Cheap stupid way to solve the love triangle, any adult watching in 83 would have known the purpose of it instantly. It also needlessly shrinks the universe to have luke and leia be that connected, same tier as "Darth Vader built C3PO"
So who is the other Yoda refers to? Do you think Han should have died and, if so, wouldn't that also be a rather unsatisfying way to resolve the love triangle (which I thought was mostly resolved in Empire anyway).
Yeah that's tough. I'd honestly rather just leave it as a dumb mystery box the EU gays could play with than hack in some cheap answer.
The “other” could’ve just been Vader. This would have also shown that Yoda understood things better then Obi Wan.
So Luke would have failed and presumably been killed by Vader, but somehow Vader would be redeemed anyway and defeated the Emperor? Presumably by his feelings of guilt towards killing his son? That doesn't seem very compelling to me - almost like Vader would be redeemed no matter what happens, which seems to undercut any meaningful impact created by the characters. If he was willing to duel his son on Bespin, maim him, and allow him to jump to his possible death, I don't think Vader would have been redeemed by Luke's death.
Also, I think it makes Yoda's statement rather odd. There is "another" and he's the person they were just talking about Luke confronting strikes me as deliberately obfuscatory, rather than intriguingly cryptic.
No, Luke doesn’t die, he just doesn’t start the 3rd movie competent and confident. He should be a bit of a nervous wreck following from Empire, not pulling off 4D chess plans with Jaba and then Vader.
It's just contrived, and the story does nothing with it (
). Even the idea that it resolves the love triangle is a stretch because there was never really any such triangle. The entire B-plot of Empire was an excuse to develop Han and Leia's relationship, after all.
unfrick the jabba's palace plotting to make sense (this would take a complete rewrite but the finished product is so damn poorly plotted it's insane). Have the empire attack at the end of this too, they're too absent and not proactive enough despite winning the second movie.
no conversation with obi wan, no leia is luke's sister
emperor still wants to lure the rebels into a decisive ambush somehow in a way that also gives them an opportunity
han dies heroically reversing this trap
throne room stuff was good
movie ends
*you still have to manufacture some retcon of "why did obi wan lie about darth killing his father" but just do it with some cheeky metaphor and surreal imagery instead of having ghost kenobi sit down and bullshit for 5 minutes in a way that's indistinguishable from being alive
>Luke...Luke, stop!
>Two Death Stars
>Kashyyyk with Wookiees instead of Endor with Ewoks
This might be the only interesting Star Wars thread I’ve ever read on this site
I always hated a second death star as lame but it really makes perfect sense in terms of sci-fi. It's actually much lamer to have the typical EU one-of-a-kind snowflake superweapon that could never be replicated. It shows the vitality of the empire to be able to build more and more of these things. Hell, have 3 of them in different stages of completion.
Wookies instead of Ewoks
I rewatched RotJ 2 weeks ago and I feel now that replacing the Ewoks with Wookies would be like replacing Frodo & Sam with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bruce Willis.
Would unironically make LOTR better