What's the verdict? largely faithful to the events or tries too hard to garner sympathy for the feds?
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What's the verdict? largely faithful to the events or tries too hard to garner sympathy for the feds?
What's the verdict? largely faithful to the events or tries too hard to garner sympathy for the feds?
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as a complete outsider on the matter, from the other side of the ocean, it was pretty shocking. And not in the way Tiger King shocked me. I had zero sympathy for the feds
>we were robbed of a timeline where the ATF was held accountable for their frickup and disbanded
>I had zero sympathy for the feds
no one should, they're scum, look in to what they did at ruby ridge
>guy just wants to live off the grid with his family
>government steps in and murders multiple members of his family for it
Fricking hell America
FF would be aghast at the alaphabet agencies
>Free masons would be aghast at institutions doing free masons bidding
Randy weaver died a few weeks ago. RIP.
That shit still pisses me the frick off and I'm from Scandinavia. Honestly I will never be able to blame someone for wanting to take all the fricking feds with them to the grave
Idk but I like the video where one atf Black person gets shot from behind the wall while climbs down.
>tries too hard to garner sympathy for the feds?
It literally accuses the US government of war crimes.
but it shows them feeling remorse for their actions at ruby ridge and leading up to waco, sorta.
>oh my god i am sooooo sorry
>anyway bro check out this sick pic I took with this burnt child's corpse, we fricked those pedos up yo
so is it faithful to the true events or does it try to garner too much sympathy for the feds (HRT negotiator who didnt pull a trigger) it's a simple question.
The feds in general and the Clinton DoJ in particular are pretty savaged. The negotiator and the one guy who they sent in early on are portrayed with sympathy.
If anything it's too kind to Koresh, who while clearly crazy isn't portrayed as the psycho abuser many say he was.
Only Michael Shannon's character, every other fed was a piece of shit like in reality.
>Only Michael Shannon's character, every other fed was a piece of shit like in reality.
One of the sources for the show was a book written by the guy Shannon plays. Idk if he was a decent guy irl.
I wasn't there so I don't know but based on my own personal research this show was approximately 80% faithful
I know this is the board of zero sincere replies but I'll give it a shot. The show is decent as a docudrama. It's probably just a hair more sympathetic to David than is warranted. It doesn't really go too deep on the background, which is legit compelling and casts David in a way more sketchy light, and the timeline of events definitely means shit gets compressed and highly dramatized for entertainment value, which is high to be fair. This is an entirely fair estimate; .
Look the ultimate point of all this is that no matter what you think of Koresh, whether he was an evil chomosexual or a based and gunpilled man of god, there was zero reason, frickin' none, for the compound to burn to the ground. It was not a metaphysical impossibility to haul the guy in for some honestly light felony charges and avoid all this shit. There were multiple offramps for this outcome, all of which were ignored by the Feds. At each chance to lead to the good end, the Feds chose the objectively worst possible option.
One of the survivors who contributed to the show did a really compelling lecture circuit. Look it up on the CSPAN archives or something.
>It's probably just a hair more sympathetic to David than is warranted. It doesn't really go too deep on the background, which is legit compelling and casts David in a way more sketchy light
I lose my shit every time I think about Roden challenging Koresh to a contest to raise the dead to decide who should lead the Branch, and Koresh just calling the cops on him for desecration of a corpse.
>It's probably just a hair more sympathetic to David than is warranted.
Disgaree. This was a war crime on American soil against a random religious order for no reason other than to prevent the ATF from being defunded.
The series is based on two books, one by one of the hostage negotiators, one by one the branch davidians. It's an incredibly neutral take.
Based on any book and article I've read about the subject and the audio of the phonecalls, the federal agents were worse than depicted in the series, behavior that wouldn't be believable if shown in fiction.
/ourguy/ Wendigoon took those glow in the dark Black folk to school. Frick the governent.
>Shea Wingham
BASED
>inb4 every fed who lurks this site turns this thread into an ATF dindu nuffin pissing match
They painted David like he wasn't a complete psycho
Great show though
>"i want my schizo ramblings broadcasted on national television, then i will give up and come out"
>ok, we agree to your terms
*broadcasts schizo ramblings on national television*
>"no no no no, why didn't people take my schizo ramblings seriously!!! i ain't coming out!!"
>...
Feds did nothing wrong.
hows it feel being a israelite slave?
the davidian's flag has a star of david on it
They understood the bible better than most people alive.
time for your meds
>time for your meds
one joke
how else am I supposed respond to schizophrenia?
insanity is what it is
yeah but a lot of these evangelical sects of christianity that believe the end days are imminent also believe that a sign of the end times is the mass conversion of israelites to christianity. that's why there is so much support for israel in american politics.
>how else am I supposed respond to schizophrenia?
by coping and seething of course
you should look up what Adventism actually is
not an argument
It shows no sympathy for the feds at all
>ATF agents would pull down their pants, spread their cheeks and moon the women and children
lol what the frick.
>The day before the fires began the Feds told the BDs they were no longer willing to let anyone leave and joked they should invest in fire insurance.
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE
Kinda based ngl, they still deserve to be hanged though
You gotta love what you do!
i mean i found it to be a bit too sympathetic to david karesh to be honest. they just kind of gloss over him using the cult to frick everybodies wives and children and get cult members to sign over all their wealth to him
>panned by ((critics))
Karesh was a peice of shit but the ATF is a million times worse. Pure fricking evil. They should be dismantled entirely and the agents should've been held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. But the law is often times a fricking joke. I hope I don't fall down some stairs into my collection of electrified acid vats.
>Karesh was a peice of shit
Wild how people still parrot federal disinfo broadcast on CNN and Oprah 40 years ago. Koresh was whatever, if the BD's hadn't become targets of this they'd be just another religious offshoot like the Mormons.
Sorry anon. You're totally right. Where can I look into this without mainstream bias? Seriously I'd like to get a fuller understanding.
Okay where can I look into this without youtube documentary bias?
It's wendigoon he's completely unbiased. Too bad he's inevitably gonna be taken down soon so appreciate him while you still can.
The internet
Wendigoon is a literal christcuck that cried at reading Dantes Purgatory
I don't see the issue here.
That's the point I was making
Get off Cinemaphile and go read a book if you’re gonna be a little homosexual who’s too good for a highly educational YouTube video
David Thibodeau book A Place Called Waco/ Waco: A Survivor's Story (it exists under various titles) is what the show is based on and it's a solid account from a BD survivor. Sinister Twilight a Tragedy Near Waco is a good summary if you can find it.
The Big Lie is a good contemporary account.
First hand account.
Alex Jones gained a lot of his early credibility from supporting the Waco survivors and getting their stories to a wider audience. But idk were you'd find quarter century old episodes of infowars.
The fact people here recommend Alex Jones over William Cooper shows how absolutely moronic this website is. /misc/ doesn't even know who william cooper is.
>/misc/ doesn't even know who william cooper is.
Nupol is /b/ tier. Also this guy died before I was born. Got a link?
http://hourofthetime.com/milton-william-bill-cooper-mp3-collection/
Checked. And thank you.
start with episode 829 and after that you can decide whether you think he is credible or not
I love wendigoon.
He also calls Karesh a bad person.
The reason the public even know about Waco is because the survivors made books and documentaries about it. Understanding Waco was on Amazon but got taken down. There's a two part one I foget the name of. Anyone remember?
The only things you might consider wrong about Koresh was that he married a 14 year old (legal at the time) and had a harem (which is mainstream these days). He was far removed from the stereotypical sociopathic cult leader image.
>But the law is often times a fricking joke
The law exists to defend the status quo or sustain any development that the status quo would benefit from. The law of the modern world is a delusion, a futile attempt to instill order on the chaotic progress and expansion of industrial civilization
Yeah unfortunately law matters even less now. It only applies to normal people. Hillary and lawyers just got off squeaky clean even though it was their lies and fake server that they setup with a misspelled trump name to get the whole fake Russia thing going for instance.
LOL
Are all governments as terrible and evil as ours? I can't imagine Iceland being too bad but I honestly have no idea.
no, most are more so. the northern european and atlantic govt's are rare exceptions, the US is somewhere in between, but the majority of govt's on earth are authoritarian dictatorships that commit mass murder, incarceration, resource deprivation, and torture on their populace, and tend to lean into religious or ethno state cleansing campaigns.
in a majority of countries on earth you could be jailed or killed for even typing what i just typed.
The US doesn't incarcerate its population?
Where did he say that?
>the US is somewhere in between, BUT the majority of govt's on earth are authoritarian dictatorships that commit mass murder, INCARCERATION, resource deprivation, and torture on their populace
Try reading the post in question next time
every single government's job is to steal as much of your shit as they can and kill you if they can't
This.
All three letter organisations should be eliminated.
They bombed the MOVE Black folk so I forgive them
Michael Shannon
Shea Whigum
Paul Sparks
Glenn Fleshler
Boardwalk Empire Kino
GlowBlack folk should all be killed in front of their families.
Why does the ATF even exist? Doesn't the FBI already cover all that shit?
The ATF exist as a tribute to American excess and gun/law enforcement militarization. They exist to make situations worse and ensure worse outcomes for anything they're involved in. Frick the feds
they send in the ATF for arsons, bombings, and other serious weapons. koresh basically had enough guns in his compound to where the FBI wouldn't be effective
>they send in the ATF for arsons, bombings, and other serious weapons.
ATF are a joke organization and this statement is false.
>Why does the ATF even exist?
they exist to kill you
Legislate and enforce people trying to have fun.
To make any tense situation worse and to guarantee a bodycount
Should I watch it just for e-girl Leia?
it was fairer to the ATF and Janet Reno than reality. I don't believe they wanted it to be polarizing but in doing so didn't truly show the levels of moronation the ATF and FBI pulled.
Blackpilled has a good recap on the mini series. It's total propaganda.
>Blackpilled has a good recap on the mini series. It's total propaganda.
Youtubers laundering government propaganda is the modern equivalent of the oprah waco special.
Based Lon Horiuchi
This was one of Big Harv's last productions. Godspeed.
rip randy weaver
Qrd.
I lived right next to it at the time going to college.
Real life it turned into meth cult where kids were being raped.
>I lived right next to it at the time going to college.
>Real life it turned into meth cult where kids were being raped.
Source: CNN
What?
I went to a baylor satellite
It was a meth cult where kids where getting raped.
Whats your source, some "youtube video"?
You're almost 50 years old are you.
Your math sucks and so does your english. Satellite school. As in I was going to classes while in highschool.
We'd see the culters coming in with the kids at stories. Kids always had bruises and shit.
Early 40's btw.
You are a subhuman for trying to bury what happened to those children. Is it for clicks? Why
Stores*
Bruises on their arms, necks, all drugged out.
Just terrible shit.
>Bruises on their arms, necks, all drugged out.
>Just terrible shit.
Cute larp, please go on
Atf shill
Thousands of people saw those kids like me.
Why are you lying about the horrible things that happened to them?
Is it for clicks? Do you lack any morality?
Glowin' like the sun.
See
Why do thirdies ger called out then scurry offtp the 5 other thrradsthey are in?
Why do they keepposting links for clicks?
Thousands of us saw those kids. Inver mentioned the fbi or atf
All i said was those children were being abused,raped, drugged and beaten.
Nothing to do with leos was mentioned
Your evil is catching up to you and you're having a stroke. I hope it's really awful.
Use another article made by the guy wanting globohomogenity which trashes america while you accuse us of being the globohomo
You have been brainwashed. You moron.
If you have a family I hope it's really awful for them too, they deserve it for not doing everything in their power to get away from you.
I broke your ass
If anyone's interested, there's an old documentary called Waco:The Rules of Engagement that was on Amazon Prime and various streaming sites, I think it's from 1997.
I don't understand why people still defend out government. I just don't.
>I don't understand why people still defend out government. I just don't.
This is a question that needs answering.
Because anarchy bad or something.
>nooo you can't just immolate the heretics because...
>...you just can't!
You can and you must
>We gotta sacrafice the heckin kiddos to moloch
The US government is The Great Satan and so are the enuchs who simp for it
What matters is who is immolated, not the merits of those who do it. What happened to the Cathars? Immolated, gone forever. What happened to the Koreshians? Immolated, gone forevever. What happened to the Lutherans? Unimmolated, multiplied, mutated, shitting up the world for centuries.
>What matters is who is immolated, not the merits of those who do it.
Larping moron
>religious podophilic nutjobs burn themselves alive
why should we feel bad for them, again?
a lot of the kids that the atf were supposedly trying to save also got burned up. most would see the death of innocents as a bad thing.
either the atf lit the fire, killing the children, or they failed to stop the nutjobs lighting the fire after creating and escalating the situation, so it's their fault either way
The Davidians did everything they could to stop the ATF from saving them, it's the Davidian's fault.
they could have just gotten a normal arrest warrent, arrested the leaders when they were out on the street (the leader was in a band and regularly played in a local bar) and calmly searched the place. instead they set up stakeouts, sent in an undercover agent, then launched a seige against a group of well armed fanatics in a compound filled with women and children. this was the atf's fault.
so every time a criminal gets violent the cops should just back off and let them continue on their rampage? ok lol
>so every time a criminal gets violent the cops should just back off and let them continue on their rampage? ok lol
This except the Feds were the violent armed criminals. The only mistake the branch davidians made was agreeing to a cease fire to let the ATF retread. If they had finished them off then they would have been in a better position to negotiate.
the atf started the violence anon, they rolled up to private property with tanks and helicopters, the leader was unarmed and had his hands above his head and was shot twice. they should have acted like police officers and not wannabe action heroes.
they managed to convince a judge they needed a freakin military raid on private property, they could have easily gotten a warrant to arrest them for child endangerment if they tried. but they didn't want to do that, they wanted to shoot people.
i don't support the pedo cult, but kids died and it was the atf's fault. it was a complete failure from start to finish, and could have easily been resolved with no loss of life. they didn't even try.
>i don't support the pedo cult
Except there was no mention of child abuse (or any other alegation) until the cover story was put out via the media. It would have been easier for the feds to conduct the raid if they had come up with that story sooner. They didn't, it's fake.
weirdly he was married to a 14 year old which i think is fricked up, but it was actually legal in texas at that time with parental consent, which he had
he defo fricked her
Absolutely weird but at the same time the couple just look like background characters from King Of The Hill.
>they could have just gotten a normal arrest warrent
Not really. They had no grounds for one.
This post glows in the dark.
I will watch just for michael shannon kino
History is written by the immolaters, not the immolated
Didnt watch it, but did it show how the feds set fire to the compound and then executed the people as they escaped the flames?
It was suprisingly objective for a network tv show.
The feds didn't set fire to the compound, the Branch Davidians did. They were a suicide cult, after all. Coleman had fuel poured all over the compound as evidenced by survivor testimony.
>The feds didn't set fire to the compound
They sprayed flammible CS spray at the compound for 12 straight hours then sent in a tank with a torch rig while joking on coms about burning the place down. This was all caught on film. Nice google search tho.
its not the spray thats flammable is it? its the type of canisters that they know for a fact gets so hot that they start fires. they chose to shoot those into the house when they could have just...not
You sound like an idiot because you have no idea what you are talking about.
>You sound like an idiot because you have no idea what you are talking about.
>Medical examiners in California say they have positively identified the body of former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner, the man authorities say killed four people over the past two weeks in a campaign of terror against the LAPD. Dorner’s body was found in the burned-out ruins of a California mountain cabin ending the most extensive manhunt in California’s history. Questions are being raised over whether police intentionally set his hideout on fire after police officials confirmed the use of incendiary tear gas. An audio recording from a police scanner appears to show officials from the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department planning to deploy “burners.” In another recording that was aired live on the television station KCAL, a police officer can be heard in the background shouting, “We’re going to burn him out,” and “Burn it down!” We are joined by former Seattle Police Chief Norm Stamper, who says, “Whether it was intentional or not, a very predictable outcome of deploying seven burners in what appears to have been a wooden cabin would predictably leave it in rubble.”
no the spray is definitely flammable, look it up
No only is it flammable, they sprayed it for so long it saturated the gas masks the BDs had. Children had already died from asphyxiation. The fires were a coverup by the feds, as was bleaching the ground to destroy evidence and what they did to the recovered bodies.
they also knew that the kids couldn't wear gas masks because they don't make gas masks that small. they knew spraying the gas would probably kill them.
So are you doubting eye witness testimony of people who were inside the compound, then?
>joking on coms about burning the place down.
Never happened.
It wouldn't have mattered if they did or not, considering the Davidians started the fire themselves.
>It wouldn't have mattered if they did or not, considering the Davidians started the fire themselves.
Didn't convince anyone on CNN 30 years ago and isn't convincing anyone now.
Maybe you could read a book about the subject and come up with a better take? Y'know instead of hitting the same three wikipedia talking points over and over?
What is your evidence that they didn't start the fire, then? Because there's a lot more evidence that they started it rather than the feds.
>Allegations that the government started the fire were based largely on an FBI agent's having fired three "pyrotechnic" tear gas rounds, which are delivered with a charge that burns. The Special Counsel concluded that the rounds did not start or contribute to the spread of the fire, based on the finding that the FBI fired the rounds nearly four hours before the fire started, at a concrete construction pit partially filled with water, 75 feet (23 m) away and downwind from the main living quarters of the complex.
Prepared to die, suicide cult, same difference.
oh that reminds me, i should have added a line
about how the government investigated itself and found no wrongdoing. so you know its legit
Ah, I see how this is going to continue. I provide evidence, you dismiss it with glib one-liners. The report included non-government expert testimony on multiple issues.
why did the atf and fbi lose the front door that would have proven that they didnt fire into the burning building while people were trying to escape?
its not really fair when you kill everyone who could challenge your accounts and accidentally lose all evidence that could paint a bad picture for you
cops, not even american cops, have a world wide reputation of flying off the handle and turning into vengeful assassins when one of their own gets shot or killed. normally people give them a pass because it happens during lawful duties. the ruby ridge and waco situation is such a big deal because the government could never convince anyone what they should have been there in the first place and the atf changed its story for its involvment at waco several times, ending up on what seem to be a lie since they posed in front of the dead children they claimed to care so much about and dont seem to care that their operation to save them from harm killed all of them. the atf and fbi should be the MOST critical about all of this but instead they admit to zero(0) wrong doing and paint themselves heroes despite the entire thing being a total disaster even by their own standards and admitted reason for getting involved
You guys lost any crediblity
When you tried to deny it was a meth pedo cult
Why
Should
Anyone
Believe
You
Now?
Spacing to set you off
>there's no evidence that they did anything wrong, this is evidence that they did something wrong
The mind of a schizophrenic.
You can read the special counsel report yourself. I have done more due diligence than you. Where is the evidence of any of your claims?
>I have done more due diligence than you. Where is the evidence of any of your claims?
I really don't think you grasp how out of your depth you are and what a 30 year propaganda battle with the US government looks like. Waco isn't a casual field of study.
>btfo by a simple ctrl+c of a wikipedia page
lmao
reminder that this attitude is literally what caused the oklahoma city bombing
everyone knows you killed innocent people at ruby ridge and children at waco and gloated about it and gave yourself awards.
>They expressed anger at the federal government's handling of the 1992 Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) standoff with Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge, as well as the Waco siege, a 1993 51-day standoff between the FBI and Branch Davidian members that began with a botched Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) attempt to execute a search warrant. There was a firefight and ultimately a siege of the compound, resulting in the burning and shooting deaths of David Koresh and 75 others.[26] In March 1993, McVeigh visited the Waco site during the standoff, and again after the siege ended.[27] He later decided to bomb a federal building as a response to the raids and to protest what he believed to be US government efforts to restrict rights of private citizens, in particular those under the Second Amendment.[16][28][29][30][31][excessive citations] McVeigh believed that federal agents were acting like soldiers, thus making an attack on a federal building an attack on their command centers.[32]
>reminder that this attitude is literally what caused the oklahoma city bombing
True, but Mcveigh was a known federal asset, which complicates the matter.
>reee Reee ReeeREEEEE YOU CAUGHT ME LYING WALL OF TEXT YOU ARE SATAN! REEEE
You haven't provided any evidence because you don't know anything about the case. Google Search Ctrl + C is not evidence.
>The report included non-government expert testimony on multiple issues.
The report widely regarded as a fiction designed to prevent legal action against an agency frick up? That report?
What do you not believe about the report, and do you have any evidence to back it up? Where is your argument?
you glow
>they were a suicide cult so you JUST KNOW
>except they werent an actual suicide cult but whatever
meanwhile you think this logic cant be applied to feds
>maybe public servants would would puff out their chest and pose in front of the burned corpses of the children they were supposedly saving cant be trusted and their accounts should be heavily scrutinized, especially since the ones who could challenge their accounts are all dead
>try to rescue children from evil pedo cult by starting a siege and spraying them with tear gas 12 hours straight, killing a lot of the children through asphyxiation
FBI and the ATF are literal terrorists sanctioned by the federal government.
Most died from being burned alive by a fire started by the Davidians.
You're glowing homosexual
hes just mad because biden pulled his nomination after he did a leddit ama and made was still completely unapologetic and even kept making up lies like saying the davids were shooting down military and police helicopters with 50cal rifles
>>reee Reee ReeeREEEEE YOU CAUGHT ME LYING WALL OF TEXT YOU ARE SATAN! REEEE
Is that daily mail?
yes. did you want to talk about something about the story?
klaus schwab runs daily mail.
ok. did you want to talk about the story or challenge something about it or...?
Are you a big klaus schwab fan?
no. so did you want to talk about the story about the atf agent lying to the public and getting caught or...?
Do you know who klaus schwab is?
so did you want to talk about the lying government agent who got caught with proof of lying in the thread about how suspect the governments involvement at waco and ruby ridge was or...?
Do you know what klaus schwab sells and who he is?
How much of klaus schwab's nonsense have you read?
>the side of the argument championing had evidence shuts and and changes topics as soon as evidence they dont personally like pops up
really makes you think. wheres that front door chipman? why cant you fricks stop killing kids?
I don't blame the cops. Everyone has been shitting on them and trying to defund. them or outright abolish them.
If I was a cop I would tell you ungrateful fricks to deal with it yourself too.
cops acted first by standing by while Black folk and commies rioted and attacked people across the country an entire summer
if you dont act like a public servant or a hero, dont get pissy when people dont respect you and dont treat you like one
People rioted and freaked out because a cop tried to do his job and some Black person died of fentanyl while being arrested.
Again, if people want to abolish the police, then let them deal with the consequences.
"people" didnt riot. Black folk and leftest criminals did, the fricks the cops are paid to deal with. the entire country was furious at them and the cops literally kneeled to them instead of doing their job
Tim pool is q con artist who got kicked off anything legit after he was caught making up documents and lying to the rest of the press
Try again
Get your David Brock horsehit out of here.
Um no. He wrote 2 of his own laws then presented to the rest of the press as democrat bills and got caught.
So try again
Dude
klaus schwab... just man. Lol just frick lol. Wow. I guess you are into globohomogenity and pods lol im not even into that conspiracy shit but klaus schwab proposes it jesus you are so schizo
>Do you know what klaus schwab sells and who he is?
He's a fat moron given a platform to talk about his heckin meatless reddit future as a distraction from the only real goal of his group which is centralized digital currency.
Pretty much. Hes that guy. He runs daily mail lol
it's just /misc/ teens' newest boogeyman after soros went mainstream
>Do you know who klaus schwab is?
Idk, don't you have a more creative way to derail the thread?
His choppers go caught firing on the compound on their own IR footage so he has to double on this nonsense.
>The helicopters did NOT fire at the compound in fact THEY fired at the helicopters!
THOSE WERE JUST SOLAR FLARES AND SWAMP GAS YOU WHITE SUPREMACIST CONSPIRACY THEORIST
THE SUN BOUNCED OFF THE WINDSHIELD AND BECAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING IT LOOKED LIKE MACHINE GUN FIRE
>leftie gungrabber managed to get downvoted on r/politics
Holy kek
Sure thing glowie. You're gonna get lynched and I will be laughing at you
Say the line glowtard!
>Most died from being burned alive by a fire started by the Davidians.
YAAAAAAY!
So let me get this straight, if the fire was started by the Davidians, could it be said that the fire was a direct result of being under siege by the ATF and the FBI for days? Also, its fine to kill a few of the children you were trying to rescue as long as you don't kill most of them. Got it.
Whatever happened to that homosexual sniper that was involved in both Ruby Ridge and Waco?
the chink? sounds like hes in the thread one hand typing
This was kino
Video Games are art.
average schizo /misc/tard
>"That's an insightful interpretation of Revelations, Dave, you can frick my wife now"
>Koresh never completed his Revelation on the Seven Seals