Whats their endgame for Beast? Make him the most hated mutant in the mcu?

What’s their endgame for Beast? Make him the most hated mutant in the mcu?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Turn yet another classic X-Men character into a megalomaniac, I guess. They've done it to damned near everyone else already.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What Marvel's done to the X-Men is so fricking creepy to me.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Are there even any true antagonists left?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Just the ones that aremt mutant themselves, and they sjow up pretty infrequently. It now seems to be newcomer after newcomer, usually just somw shadowy human extremist group.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        But remember, Didney is woke and loves minorities, only remember The Metaphor when it's convenient

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Beast being a fricking moronic butthole isn't anything new, you should have picked someone else for your fake indignation.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why does every second poster here love to assume that someone's indignation is fake?

        • 1 year ago
          DoctorGreen

          its a cope mechanism from people who are similar to the causes of our indignation

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's a good thing you tripgay so we can just scroll past your moronic posts

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think that's OUR Beast. It's gonna turn out to be Age Of Apocalypse Beast that somehow time/reality jumped and imprisoned our Hank.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Never forget Threnody

      That's already been debunked

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think that's OUR Beast. It's gonna turn out to be Age Of Apocalypse Beast that somehow time/reality jumped and imprisoned our Hank.

        Yeah, no Dark Beast excuse, but we did just get a conveniently placed Avengers-era Beast backup listed

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          "You're not even the darkest Beast anymore."

          ...was he referring to the CURRENT Beast?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yep. Current Beast is pulling off shit that would give Mister Sinister a run for his money. So far he's:

            >Mentally enslaved an entire sovereign nation
            >Created an illegal blacksite space prison that he filled with mutants and political dissidents
            >Killed Wolverine, resurrected him as a mindless beast, then set him loose to go kill political enemies of Krakoa
            >infected little girl, former cancer survivor, with lethal mushroom virus so that he could get political leverage on her concerned father
            >Actively fricks with memory backups of X-Force members so that after their deaths their entire personalities are basically his playthings

            Am I forgetting anything else? It's getting to the point that Beast is a bigger threat to the world than Cassandra fricking Nova

            What's even the worst thing that Dark Beast has ever done?

            • 1 year ago
              DoctorGreen

              >What's even the worst thing that Dark Beast has ever done?
              he's black ?

              • 1 year ago
                Big 'dick' Lenny

                its a cope mechanism from people who are similar to the causes of our indignation

                More like dr moron

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Only in the Bishop War Games book

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              can someone explain why beast is allowed to do all this shit?
              i remember charles telling beast not to go overboard and all this shit seems like beast went well beyond that

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It just seems like there's no oversight for X-Force whatsoever. Any request Beast makes to the Council or the Five is automatically granted, which seems beyond stupid.

                Honestly my biggest problem with Krakoa right now is that it's barely evolved as a nation or setting. During the Hickman era, you could tell that the Quiet Council and the Three Laws were very basic, in-the-moment kind of measures. Except it's been four years since, and the Council still feels more like a social club than a government, with zero ability to actually govern a nation that is doing its level best to tear itself apart from within. We still haven't seen anything like more localized government, a justice system beyond the Pit or that weird Crucible shit that was almost immediately ignored, or any actual international diplomacy beyond holding a big party once a year.

                I mean frick X-Force alone has caused at least FIVE cataclysm-level events that have threatened the entire island. Meanwhile Charles gave Beast one mild talking-to then immediately fricked off forever.

                If you wanted to go all-in on the "mutant nation" premise at least make Krakoa feel like a developing country, rather than just a rotating cast of seven powerful mutants trying to fight and/or frick each other

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It just seems like there's no oversight for X-Force whatsoever. Any request Beast makes to the Council or the Five is automatically granted, which seems beyond stupid.
                Pretty much how the real CIA operated for the longest time

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Krakoa was doomed as a concept from the start because of the important fact that everyone besides Hickman was 100% disinterested in actually building a nation. Far as I can see, everyone else was more interested in making their own musings on a "mutant culture" rather than a "mutant civilization", which is precisely why the Quiet Council seems to function far more like a social club for oligarchs than an actual government, and why despite being a big player in the world's politics and economy we don't see the X-men actually being involved in either. Cause frankly, Krakoa IS just a big old playground for the writers/elites of the X-men. It was built that way from the beginning, to function as a big old playground for the X-men without the rest of the Marvel setting to spoil their fun. It was made for rich fricks like Emma Frost and Sebastian Shaw to pretend they're still upper crust, for amoral scientists like Mr. Sinister and Doctor Nemesis to frick around with their favorite subjects with no real oversight, for control freaks like Hank Mccoy and Forge to finally enact any plan they feel like, and for egotists like Professor X and Magneto and Storm to play at being worshiped as the leaders of their people while still pretending they're oppressed by the rest of the Marvel universe for not having a specific active genetic sequence.

                It's a shame too, because the idea of a society ruled by superhumans who are building their own societal values based on their own conditions was done well by Miracleman. It still shocks me that there are people who think this is the best that X-men has ever been, even though that is not even remotely true with how much wasted potential the X-office has flushed down the toilet. It'd be a lot more tolerable if the writers and fans were just more honest that this is basically one big vacation camp for the X-men from their normal routine, but they can't be.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It still shocks me that there are people who think this is the best that X-men has ever been, even though that is not even remotely true with how much wasted potential the X-office has flushed down the toilet.

                I haven't seen this, more people saying that it's the best the X-Men have been *since Morrison*, which is a much lower bar to clear.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Even then, is Krakoa really better than Utopia? Or am I just nostalgiagayging?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Like, on paper, yes the X-men are in a better position. But in terms of story beats and originality, both are on par while in terms of stakes Utopia is honestly superior. "The best since Morrison" isn't honestly saying anything, considering Morrison's whole job was just to blow up the X-men's relatively stable status quo and leave everyone else to pick up the pieces later if they even cared at all.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Did any writer actually do anything with Utopia before AvX blew it up? Because it always felt like a mutant ghetto where like a dozen mutants just hung out until the next big dumb event dragged them into the spotlight

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Even then, is Krakoa really better than Utopia? Or am I just nostalgiagayging?

                Utopia was a similar idea, but had one major fundamental difference: factionalism. While Utopia was running, so too was the Jean Grey School. One of the defining hallmarks of Krakoa isn't just that all the X-Men are on the same side here, but broadly *all* the mutants are as well, which has made for some unique and interesting stories with the traditionally villainous mutants and traditionally heroic mutants cohabitating.

                And at the very least while that premise may sound better than the execution ended up, Sinister has been a delight this entire time.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Utopia ran for roughly three years with all of the X-Men united. The Schism era lasted about a year and a half.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Utopia was a cool idea that had very few good stories.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It’s funny I agree with most of this but am still enjoying most x books.

                Anyone else find the people bawling about Beast being evil really cringe
                Doing fricked up things for the greater good for several years changing a character is conceivable to me

                It is kinda weird bc I never see love for other stories and stuff with him, just mad at the current direction

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Hey, people like what they like. I find Krakoa mostly to be a potential gamechanger for the X-men's direction that was thoroughly wasted by laziness, but as a line-wide spectacle for people who wanted to see their favorites again or just see the X-men utilizing their powers and resources in ways that they're normally allowed to by Marvel's status quo, I can see the appeal.

                The entire thing was always fundamentally Hickman throwing a fit over people pointing out that Mutants aren't a culture or society and that the allegory was being pushed past its breaking point in part because of the total lack of connection between any random Abdul, Billy-Bob, Jamal, and Ishmael because just having mutant powers is zero grounds for solidarity.

                Hickman threw a tantrum and doubled down with "Well then I'll *make* them have one!" completely missing the point that it was far, far too late for that.

                Exactly. And a lot of other people were more than happy to enable Hickman so they can get to use the X-men as a vehicle for their pet issues and weird ideas for a "perfect" society.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >we don't see the X-men actually being involved in either
                The X-Men aren't involved to insulate them from when Marvel inevitably need to make this shit go breasts up to reset shit back to status quo and because the Quiet Council is nakedly evil.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The entire thing was always fundamentally Hickman throwing a fit over people pointing out that Mutants aren't a culture or society and that the allegory was being pushed past its breaking point in part because of the total lack of connection between any random Abdul, Billy-Bob, Jamal, and Ishmael because just having mutant powers is zero grounds for solidarity.

                Hickman threw a tantrum and doubled down with "Well then I'll *make* them have one!" completely missing the point that it was far, far too late for that.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Hickman was just following Morrison

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Morrison was also shit so that checks out.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Krakoa was doomed from the start because nothing in comics lasts forever, and especially in X-Men. Eventually it'll get Genosha'ed. Or, if you prefer, X Mansion'ed.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Krakoa fricked up when they let a man called Mister Sinister into their government.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The problem there is the writers. With Hickman gone, there's no one interested in writing about Krakoan politics.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Immortal X-men and X-men Red are totally political book

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He did it all without anyone else knowing. Wolverine tracked him down and killed him when he remembered what happened to him. Unfortunately for all of them, Beast already had a bunch of clones of himself he had secretly made ready to go and now he's on the run.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I've kind of assumed that Charlie's A-OK with all of it and knows exactly what is going on as chief plotter and pushy psychic. Hell, if the writer's felt like it they could justify Hank's swan dive off the deep end with Xavier simply using a Dark Beast backup as primary for resurrecting or putting the mind whammy on him so he won't have an embarrassing attack of conscious and go to the Avengers.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Somehow I read that as "Current Beast is pulling off shit that would give Master Shake a run for his money" and I was hard pressed to disagree but curious where Korra fits into it all.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Killed Wolverine
              Issue?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, he has issues I agree.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Wolverine #26

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Didn't do a single thing wrong, he's protecting Krakoa and all moronic mutants.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He's violated the "kill no man" law more than Sabretooth, by their own standards he needs to be thrown into the pit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He's head of a nation's security, he's doing his job.

                Dumpster Baby Island was a bad idea from the start.

                Krakoa is dumb because the vast majority of mutants are actually moronic and high school drop-outs, Beast basically has to babysit all of them.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >He's head of a nation's security, he's doing his job.
                He's turned Krakoa from a potential threat that shouldn't be fricked with into an immediate/inevitable threat that should be dealt with ASAP.

                That's the exact opposite of his fricking job. Dude just murdered a bunch of blue helmets there to spy on Krakoa. Those are precisely the sorts of operations you leave alone so the world doesn't think you're about to launch a fricking attack.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly before him just casually murdering a sub full of fricking UNITED NATIONS people, you could've made the excuse that he wasn't being a complete fricking moron moron idiot, but that shit was completely ludicrous with no valid explanations at all. Almost everything else was somewhat plausible even if he was fricking up, but that shit was just dumb. What, does he think no-one's gonna notice that they're just gone?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >What, does he think no-one's gonna notice that they're just gone?
                Ostensibly he did it to cover his escape in his new giant mech, but one would think
                1. They're under constant satellite surveillance
                and
                2. Even if there aren't people watching that shit live, they'll absolutely review the footage for any signs of a fricking suspicious activity and notice the frickhuge mech after the sub's destruction
                and
                3. Nobody even fricking knew he was on board the thing but Krakoa

                So it is both dumb and crazy.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Dumpster Baby Island was a bad idea from the start.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Am I forgetting anything else?
              Lied about mission parameters to get X-Force to Jean to assassinate innocent people.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Never forget Threnody

          That's already been debunked

          I'm not 100% convinced, fwiw. If anything this makes it more likely he's had Beast's profile genetically tainted since he has access to Dark Beast just sitting right there in his lab. How much Dark Beast can he slip into a Hank wienertail before it would get noticed?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't help that Beast is basically being Sinister Jr. at this point with his own personal cloning operation to create a society of himself and then a bunch of knockoff Logan footsoldiers. The only thing he hasn't done at this point is genetically insert his cat genes into an actual cat so he could stroke it menacingly while talking.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >cat beast
              hi brian

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Whaddup and crikey, Betsy.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't help that Beast is basically being Sinister Jr. at this point with his own personal cloning operation to create a society of himself and then a bunch of knockoff Logan footsoldiers. The only thing he hasn't done at this point is genetically insert his cat genes into an actual cat so he could stroke it menacingly while talking.

                >Cat beast
                What about this beast

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                ur gonna upset the bendis

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              [...]
              I'm not 100% convinced, fwiw. If anything this makes it more likely he's had Beast's profile genetically tainted since he has access to Dark Beast just sitting right there in his lab. How much Dark Beast can he slip into a Hank wienertail before it would get noticed?

              I don't think Beast was resurrected via the Krakoan method. He had that fricked up eye for the longest time, after all, from when he was invaded by tinier men. Unfortunately Sinister wouldn't need that to frick up your genetics, or to have you resurrected via his usual cloning vats.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Well he did want to frick a cat at one point.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                A cat is always fine, anon.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Never forget Threnody
        Glad people are remembering her now. She needs to come back and shit on Beast.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >She needs to come back and shit on Beast.
          Literally? He's so evil now he'd probably enjoy get off on that.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Never forget Threnody
        Glad people are remembering her now. She needs to come back and shit on Beast.

        he was trying to save the entire mutant race from like extinction

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          At this point that's a morally reprehensible goal.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's honestly sad what modern writers did to Sinister. Literally turned him into evil mad scientist Deadpool.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          True, Gillen ruined Sinister and every other writer kept doing it because they think it's funny.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Tbh I get what you mean but honestly I feel like it is an improvement because Sinister hass always been in a very competitive niche as a character, Mad Geneticist, and he's competing against the High Evolutionary, Apoc and Magneto on their time off, The Jackal, Sauron, etc.

            He's always been a ridiculously flamboyant looking nutjob and a bit of a troll, doubling down on it helps give him more of a unique identity and there's a lot of really fun shit related to his whole thing with actively and maliciously playing the race card for a laugh. Half of what he does is a piss take of Krakoa's everything and that's honestly refreshing.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Honestly I think he was only really good in his old version in Carey's take on his Ressurection protocol programmed in other. Everything else before Gillen changed him was pretty meh.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Beast Agenda: Activated

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >confirmation message AFTER clicking ok
      Mutie IQ, everyone

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They will frick him up

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Good frick Beast. Tired of his Uncle Tom ass being treated as a hero.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Frick that homie Hank.
    All my homies hate Hank.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >What’s their endgame for Beast?
    Massive weight gain until he becomes Morbidly Obeast.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I want to feel the fur on his butt.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Love realpolitik Beast, sorry. And the idea someone will come and make him work with the classic Beast everyone here b***hes about missing, that’s why I love comics baby

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I honestly think his endgame is seeing how well the rest of mutantkind deal with someone going over the edge as much as he has. His goal is to see that the mutant nation can survive his horrible decisions.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What if he's really John Sublime?

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Uatu broke his vow of non-interference just to tell Hank he's the most arrogant shitbag in the multiverse and Hank's response was to take it as a life goal
    Beast can't die painfully enough

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The island idea would be good if it was something short but marvel has no restraint at all.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Also Kraoka is hiding Kingpin

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone else find the people bawling about Beast being evil really cringe
    Doing fricked up things for the greater good for several years changing a character is conceivable to me

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      he was already doing it in New Avengers but nobody was whinging and moaning then

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I think the overall character arc is fine, but in recent issues he's really gone well past anything that can be rationally explained in that utilitarian mindset and turned into an evil idiot. The UN sub thing is the icing on the cake.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, the two or three people who hate Hank are obviously autistic, lgbt, reddit users and regular listeners of multiple X-Men podcasts

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Christ get better material instead of repeating yourself

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Writers could easily turn Beast back into non-cat Beast again via cloning/resurrection. Undo the bullshit that Morrison or whoever did to Beast by mutating him into a monster. But none of them wants to do this and are too busy making Beast their punching bag.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    make him the next furry gay icon, and that's a good thing

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Zen is way ahead of you.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      99% of Beast's bara fans are non-comic readers so they are unaware that he's not the furry gentle giant that they knew him as when they were kids.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I miss fun beast.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >ake him the most hated mutant in the mcu?
    He's a neckbeard now so probably

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