The savior stuff is around the time it died. Negan was good but couldn't carry the show on his very own and all the episodes being soaked in generic capeshit tier speeches and generic gunfire action scenes was unbearable... not to mention the blatant executive israelitery like dragging out the cliffhanger and the dumpster """"twist""".
It actually briefly picks back up into watchable after Rick fricks off, in my opinion. We get actual zombie scenes again combined with interesting antagonists and Negan continuing to be kino instead of Rick making the exact same point ad infinitum while gesturing broadly and not making eye contact. But it dipped back into the void forever eventually.
Season 1-2 are good, the prison as a whole was the shows peak (frick you I loved the ebola arc) and after that it's all downhill. It's almost prophetic how sharply it nosedived in quality after they left the prison. Remember Terminus? Or the hospital stuff and Beth dying? Neither does anybody else.
Basically this. The prison and the governors city was cool and should have been enough to start a solid community. But the cage fights were dumb and the whole “people need to release anger” is dumb. Also Rick losing his mind seeing ghosts was boring. Also yes, gun fights were somehow more boring than the long winded speeches.
Recently picked it up again and I found it to be quite comfy. I dropped it around S4 when it originally aired, and started again from S6 for some autistic reason. Guess I wanted to distance myself from the mess that it was.
Since then I'm up to date and I was really bummed out when Rick left. Attaching myself to one or two characters has been a good driving force to watch it all now. Watching Rick, Abraham or Alden was really nice. But they're dead now and the remaining cast isn't that great. Aaron is pretty ok but he's kind of hollow. Any scene with just Daryl and Carol together became an instant skip.
All in all it was better than I expected, I started rewatching it from S1 now just to see Rick again.
the show had rare unexpected pockets of kino later on >faction spends a few scenes moving past basic survival, just trying to find a projector bulb to bring people from different towns together for a rare novelty so they'll bond >bandits randomly send them a letter and demand payment or they'll "turn away" people traveling roads close to their town >said townspeople realize they're probably not bloodthirsty buttholes if they'd simply "turn away" people on the roads and meet up to try to negotiate >bandit guy gives them a hard time and insists on materials they don't have >one of them asks him when the last time any of the bandits had seen a movie (like 10 years after the apocalypse) >scene abruptly ends >twenty minutes and one or two different scene transitions later some different characters are having trouble on a random road >the bandits show up out of nowhere glad to help them, implying they took the deal and agreed to help out so they could see a movie
it was a rare good bit of writing with enjoyable setup and payoff. call me onions all you like but it was fun
>it was a rare good bit of writing with enjoyable setup and payoff. call me onions all you like but it was fun
It certainly has a lot of moments like those. You see characters get built over multiple episodes, even seasons, in a very well thoughout way. There's even blink and you miss 'em moments that are done well, like when Ezekiel and Michonne kiss and they say that yea it can never happen, maybe in another universe.
Imo it works much better as a streaming service show. My biggest gripes with the original airing was the piss poor pacing and influx of bottle episodes. When Negan appeared, it was followed by 2 bottle episodes (one in the Kingdom and one in the Sanctuary) when really everyone wanted to see the outcome of Abraham/Glenn's death on the group. Imagine waiting 4 weeks for a sliver of resolution, but this happens 4 times a season. Maddening. It works better without the drip fed content
Having watched it after it all aired I have to say I found the bottle episodes to be surprinsingly good. At first it came out of the blue and I wanted to be done with so the story can advance, but after a couple more of them it was quite refreshing to take a break from it all and just have a neat little story from time to time.
Hell, I'll even go a step further and say they didn't have enough bottle episodes. I feel like they dropped the ball with Negan pretty hard. They tried to make him sympathetic showing him as a NEET playing videogames, but there was too big of a skip in his development from the death of his wife to founding The Saviours. Yea, you show him get the bat and the leather jacket but that's Solo tier world building. Where did Han get his blaster, some guy gave it to him. Where did Negan get his bat from, some guy gave it to him. Really weak, don't just show me the moment he became an insane person with a bat, show me how he became a leader, how he convinced so many people (by fear, intimidation, respect) to follow him. Show me Negan, not his merchandise.
>show me how he became a leader, how he convinced so many people (by fear, intimidation, respect) to follow him
The show itself shows this to some extent. He exerts control over weaker groups and takes their strongest people. The groups lose strong men and become more dependent and the saviors get stronger. It's why he wants Daryl so fricking bad for like five episodes after he gets punched for killing Abraham (who openly defied him from the start and had to go).
addendum: I may not have clearly stated this enough but I think the idea is that he started with a handful of people like Rick's group, the weak died and the strong were left to begin fricking with the weak and more groups/settlements fell under his rule/were willing to be thug murderers for amenities and it snowballed
all it takes is one butthole from your little town wanting a warm bed and a TV to sell your ass out or otherwise frick you all over so he can go be a stooge and operate radios for the saviors
They really could've made an episode showing Negan create his community somehow mirroring what Rick did. You have so many interesting characters on the Saviours side that you could breathe some humanity in them, like Gavin, Arat, Dwight, Simon. Show how Negan created his council and how it's not that different from what Rick's doing.
Hell they did it with Maggie when she killed the last of the Reapers (when Elijah gives Maggie no choice but to enact revenge). It was such a small part in that episode, but it showed how people can be pushed to do horrible things because they have to protect or keep the trust of the people near them.
>Gavin, Arat, Dwight, Simon
I think all their backgrounds are explored more organically in the show tbh. All the little hints about Simon being a psychopath before outright telling you what he did, same with Arat
You've got some good ideas, it's a shame the show never really jumped into the water with them. Early on after Negan loses they've got the saviors running what are essentially slavery work camps, not allowed to hold guns and left defenseless if they "voluntarily" leave. Daryl says to Rick that he's pretty much doing the same thing Negan did, "protecting them" in exchange for their work and should have just killed them to begin with. 95% of the remaining savior characters being murderous buttholes and killed anyway in the end fully prove him and Morgan correct.
Whose breasts? Or unrelated pic?
Who's this? Are those natural?
It's the broad on the left. She got a pretty great on-screen backstory with the governor but it's wasted and not really brought up again. She does nothing for several seasons before dying with other forgotten and irrelevant characters en-masse in a move to desperately rake up ratings.
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what the frick, she had gigantic breasts the whole time?
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I know, right? They really piled on the layers of denim and flannel to hide it to the end. I liked her hair earlier on too, it framed her face better when it wasn't all tied up.
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Enid was also busty, though not as much as her
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This was a dark day. But who took her body?
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I'm glad I dropped this before I could see best girl death
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>95% of the remaining savior characters being murderous buttholes
Most of them being buttholes is just a product of the community they created. They wanted power and security through fear, so they had to play the part and before they knew it they became buttholes because that's how the system works. Even Eugene, who's the most caring polite autist in the entire series, abuses that power when getting the drugs from that worker, which is brought home by the fact that not only does he intimidate her but takes all the medicine, and everyone around just watches. If even Eugene can be corrupted by this system I think it would have been interesting to see how the system was created.
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>Even Eugene, who's the most caring polite autist in the entire series, abuses that power when getting the drugs from that worker, which is brought home by the fact that not only does he intimidate her but takes all the medicine, and everyone around just watches
I rewatched this scene within a month or two ago, I think you're misremembering. He realizes she's bowing to his authority as an actual savior and takes the amount of drugs he initially wanted, but then also takes a bunch of seemingly useless trash that the worker caste of the sanctuary values (like dirty broken desk fans etc). What he wanted was free, he just skipped a line and took some trash with him. It's for comedic effect but you've got the right idea that he does it to show the viewer he's dipping into the power trip and coming around. Eugene's struggle was actually a good aspect of the savior arc, too bad it ended with such a moronic scene. I loved it when he figured out on his own that the ladies of the evening were conning him to poison Negan. Somebody post the gif/webm of that final stand
Oh yea, Negan's introduction was so drawn out. Him killing some main characters felt like 2 hours of edging. I can't imagine how frustrating it must've been when it was originally aired. That whole series of evens didn't make much sense either. The Saviours are presented as these big brain masterminds that can orchestrate these elaborate traps, but when the main cast wants revenge they turn into random evil buttholes that can easily be outmaneuvered.
Now that I think about it, why the hell did Rick just decide to go on a murder spree after meeting Hilltop? Yes he can be ruthless but only against people that have wrong him or the ones he cares about. And all of a sudden he's ok with murdering complete strangers in their sleep. It's honestly a miracle everyone got out of there in one piece, imagine having your entire base guarded by just two goobers that go out together to get got.
>I can't imagine how frustrating it must've been when it was originally aired
It's bad even when bingewatching it years later. The entire episode is Rick running in circles around an RV and staring into the camera with red eyes like Brendan Fraser with random cut up pieces of them getting bashed. It's like 20 or 30 minutes into the episode AFTER the cliffhanger until they actually show Glenn dying.
Even at the time everybody on Cinemaphile clocked Abraham or Glenn biting it, if not both of them (which some legitimately did). Abraham standing up to Negan and kneeling tall made him stick out as the obvious target, which obviously gave question as to whether Glenn would get the bat too or not. That fake out shit with all the other characters, as if Negan was about to club a sick pregnant woman to death was so moronic and such a waste of time. I can't believe somebody actually wrote that as it played out, it HAD to be AMC meddling milking it out for max airtime and commercials.
When they left the prison the show starting falling into a routine. By the time Negan showed up I was already done, Rick made way too many rookie mistakes just for the sake of plot
Rick wasn't even a real character by the time he got shoved off the show. He jumped from moralgayging to ruthless to moralgayging and back like six fricking times.
I wanted to see how Rick died, so I looked it up. I was only partially surprised to see how lazy his "death" was. It seemed like the actor had had enough of the show but AMC wanted him, so they had to compromise
I still can't get over that they didn't even kill him. They couldn't plan a single season paced around Rick handing it off to Morgan or a new person or somebody else before a cinematic sacrifice to please the masses, they gave him two or three episodes of being annoying and then helicoptered him offscreen so they could timeskip and make a fricking movie trilogy. Then covid fricked that, so we're left with Rick in limbo nine years after getting abducted. What a garbage heap.
Call me crazy but it was the routine that kept me engaged. Here's main baddie #1, his community is fricked and he dead now. Here's main baddie #2, his community is fricked and he good now. Here's main baddie #3, she dead now and her henchman is the main baddie now, but their community is fricked and he also dead now.
Season 11 kinda blows chunks in that regard. My boy Alden died for what, The Pope? The Reapers? Who the frick are these people, 10 buttholes that get presented as these big brain masterminds that can orchestrate these elaborate traps, but when the main cast wants revenge they turn into random evil buttholes that can easily be outmaneuvered? SEEN IT! Oh but wait, the Commonwealth has a main baddie too who's at the big brain mastermind stage now. I'll continue watching it but only after all the episodes are out.
Very looking forward to the Rick movie though.
>rick movie
You poor bastard. It's a new show now and Michonne will somehow be in it. But maybe it'll be serviceable if they're the only known leads and the rest of the cast is new, well-written and openly expendable. Good chance of that, right?
The funniest thing about the Rick/Michonne project is that it's been put off so long now that, in universe, both have abandoned their kids for 6 years (Rick) and 2 years (Michonne). Michonne left her kids the day before a goddamn war. And the radio equipment she was using to contact Judith and RJ was wrecked the day after she left. For all Michonne knows, Judith and RJ are fricking dead and due to the lack of movement on the spin off, the character is in limbo with this. Hilarious in a way how bad the pacing is
When they left the prison the show starting falling into a routine. By the time Negan showed up I was already done, Rick made way too many rookie mistakes just for the sake of plot
Call me crazy but it was the routine that kept me engaged. Here's main baddie #1, his community is fricked and he dead now. Here's main baddie #2, his community is fricked and he good now. Here's main baddie #3, she dead now and her henchman is the main baddie now, but their community is fricked and he also dead now.
Season 11 kinda blows chunks in that regard. My boy Alden died for what, The Pope? The Reapers? Who the frick are these people, 10 buttholes that get presented as these big brain masterminds that can orchestrate these elaborate traps, but when the main cast wants revenge they turn into random evil buttholes that can easily be outmaneuvered? SEEN IT! Oh but wait, the Commonwealth has a main baddie too who's at the big brain mastermind stage now. I'll continue watching it but only after all the episodes are out.
Checked and this. The show reminded me of supernatural. The same issues over and over again following a strict formula. >group meets new people/settlement >everything is perfect and safe and will be self sustaining with just a few more improvements. >Rick finds some small moral flaw or has a dick measuring contest with leader >ITS NOT SAFE HERE >somehow zombies get in because the writers remember 5 episodes into the season that it’s a zombie show. >whole place burns down and the group loses one of their side characters. >repeat
Drawing out the Saviours Arc was a poor decision, All Out War should have started halfway through Season 6. There's no reason they needed to have so many Kingdom and garbage people episodes.
To me season 8 was when I really checked out. I honestly couldn't really recall a single plot point of the Whisperers arc or any recent season.
I think a big part of it starting to suck is it gets really depressing, like the Kingdom is gone Alexandria and Hilltop are always to the brink. They killed off tons of major characters, even side characters they could've expanded on and replaced them with shitty characters no one cares about. It's basically just the Daryl, Maggie, and Negan show now.
introducing Negan, he was so over the top he seemed cartoonish . Also keeping Rick down for too long. Hard to watch. Wanted to punch him, quit b4 that story line finished. Saw this - good guys get less White, bad guys almost 100 percent White. show runners bragged all couples were mixed race or gay.
>shane leads a group without incident for months while rick is in a coma/presumed dead >shane usurps rick's role and impregnates lori and raises her existing young son as his father figure >somehow, rick returned >rick immediately takes up the mantle as leader for no apparent reason >rick makes several consecutive mistakes as a leader that nearly get his family killed >said mistakes get several non-family members killed >shane tells him repeatedly he's being a fricking idiot and going to get his family killed >rick refuses to listen and wants to release a murderous bandit who knows where they live back to his group of armed thugs >shane stops him and tries to kill the bandit >rick beats the shit out of him and takes the bandit back home to "think on it some more" after like a week of holding him and feeding him >shane concludes rick is going to get everybody he cares about killed and cannot properly protect them like he did >shane kills the bandit and then tries to kill rick to save them >out of nowhere shane is murdered by the child he raised like his own >both lori and said child end up dying in painful, miserable ways because rick actually could not protect them
>>rick makes several consecutive mistakes as a leader that nearly get his family killed >>said mistakes get several non-family members killed
Kek yeah I remember thinking this when they get to Alexandria. The leader there eventually hands over control of Alexandria to Rick because "he understands this world" and "he kept them alive". For frick sake he got like 25 people killed just in his mismanagement of the Prison and subsequent conflict with Woodbury. And as soon as he gets to Alexandria he gets like 5 people killed due to his decisions. And his attempts to rectify the mistake got another 10 people killed (including the Alexandria leader)
People justify it because Shane goes a little crazy. But that’s mostly caused by the giant dick measuring contest brought on by Rick. Although Shane probably should have exerted more authority when Rick came back but he pussied out because he felt bad he fricked his wife.
There was a planned scene showing that Shane's gun wasn't loaded and he wanted Rick to kill him all along, some kind of suicide attempt. They ended up dropping it for some reason. Thought it would have been a good addition
It's pretty funny, in the comic (for the 50 or so pages Shane is in it) he's a total coper who's wanting them to stay put and wait for rescue, while experiencing mood swings. TV Shane shits all over him.
For anyone that enjoyed TWD, what are your thoughts on the spinoffs?
Did you even bother to watch them?
Are they any good as standalone series?
How do they compare to the main series?
I watched quite a bit of fear the walking dead, and it was incredibly stupid. In one scene some people in a pickup truck drive next to a group of zombie, get out of the car and start shooting at the zombies. When the magazine is empty he just stands there trying to reload it while the zombies get closer and eat him.
I don't mind stupid shit like this if the show sets it up well. They don't know what zombies are after all, if you didn't know what vampires were and they started mass-murdering people at night you wouldn't think to grab a crucifix or some garlic, you'd assume blasting a hole in one with a bolt-action rifle from your gun safe would do the trick and be confused as your neck got raped by a ghoul with a rapidly-healing torso wound. But FTWD goes too moronic too fast with no set up
>Fear
Garbage for the first 4 years, then becomes kino. Fear season 4 onwards is better than season 9-11 Walking Dead >Beyond
Garbage aside from the scene right at the end >Tales
Haven't seen a good episode yet
I think the idea was that they could get the zombie out and in the future use the well after enough weeks/months had passed since it was intact and had only leeched out so much. But when the zombie burst and poured gallons of internal infected liquid into the well it was pretty much indefinitely ruined. It's not like zombies are constantly dripping blood after all, it was a safe bet that it hadn't leaked out *that* much.
It's a byproduct of fricked up pacing. They meet Jesus and immediately get two entirely new factions on top of the saviors to deal with, so there's a ton of information crammed into a relatively short time. Considering conflicts were always 1v1 between Rick and some Big Bad beforehand it's no shock most viewers thought it was jarring. The jump from tight-knit group to townstead/community is the worst part of the show by far but both sides have their moments.
I read on this board it's implied europe did it (presumably as a call-back to the CDC guy saying france was the closest to figuring it out), european zombies go faster and that the daryl show set in europe will touch more on it
that's all
as far as zombie media goes I've always been a fan of not knowing for sure but with multiple sources of conflicting information in said media, in real life you'd be subject to a thousand different avenues of horseshit trying to insist they have the answer just like dawn of the dead with channels going from preachers to virus stuff etc etc
up to you to figure it out like anything else
Ehh kinda. The Europeans tried to cure it and accelerated the disease, they didn't start it. Europe has fast and intelligent walkers that then in seconds, not minutes, but there's no evidence they started it (yet).
I thought Negan and the Saviours were fine they're much better than they were in the comic's. Saying that, I gotta go with
Imo it works much better as a streaming service show. My biggest gripes with the original airing was the piss poor pacing and influx of bottle episodes. When Negan appeared, it was followed by 2 bottle episodes (one in the Kingdom and one in the Sanctuary) when really everyone wanted to see the outcome of Abraham/Glenn's death on the group. Imagine waiting 4 weeks for a sliver of resolution, but this happens 4 times a season. Maddening. It works better without the drip fed content
the problems I had with the Saviours arc is the pacing. When you're not waiting a week for resolution, or 12 weeks for the mid season premiere, the show is much more palatable.
>I bet that is when most of america abandoned the show as well
Lmao not even close. The viewers begun dropping a bit in S8 but didn't start cratering until Rick left
that dumbfrick episode when the governor stood outside the jail with a tank screaming
RICK I HAVE A TANK
RICK I HAVE A TANK
RICK I HAVE A TANK
RICK I HAVE A TANK
the entire god damn episode
completely fricking moronic season finale. total shit
stopped watching for like 3 years after that
somehow got roped back in. the terminus season was kinda kino
the Alexandria arc was shit. haven't watched since the season they killed negan
S6 or 7
Season 6. Bloated boring shite.
Was garbage from season 1 episode 1.
This. I don't know any one that watches this shit
Nah the pilot makes for a decent standalone film. The rest is absolute trash, I do agree.
low standards
Interracial sex
Negan and the saviors ruined it
Also king black man and his tiger
booba
Does maggie appear naked in the show or any media? Just for curiosity
She was somewhat topless in a comedy movie but only in flashes
The savior stuff is around the time it died. Negan was good but couldn't carry the show on his very own and all the episodes being soaked in generic capeshit tier speeches and generic gunfire action scenes was unbearable... not to mention the blatant executive israelitery like dragging out the cliffhanger and the dumpster """"twist""".
It actually briefly picks back up into watchable after Rick fricks off, in my opinion. We get actual zombie scenes again combined with interesting antagonists and Negan continuing to be kino instead of Rick making the exact same point ad infinitum while gesturing broadly and not making eye contact. But it dipped back into the void forever eventually.
Season 1-2 are good, the prison as a whole was the shows peak (frick you I loved the ebola arc) and after that it's all downhill. It's almost prophetic how sharply it nosedived in quality after they left the prison. Remember Terminus? Or the hospital stuff and Beth dying? Neither does anybody else.
I stopped watching after Beth died, don't even remember what episode that was
but it got really boring and shit
Basically this. The prison and the governors city was cool and should have been enough to start a solid community. But the cage fights were dumb and the whole “people need to release anger” is dumb. Also Rick losing his mind seeing ghosts was boring. Also yes, gun fights were somehow more boring than the long winded speeches.
Season 2
S7 when absolutely nothing happened all season then it left with "tune in next season for something finally happening"
Recently picked it up again and I found it to be quite comfy. I dropped it around S4 when it originally aired, and started again from S6 for some autistic reason. Guess I wanted to distance myself from the mess that it was.
Since then I'm up to date and I was really bummed out when Rick left. Attaching myself to one or two characters has been a good driving force to watch it all now. Watching Rick, Abraham or Alden was really nice. But they're dead now and the remaining cast isn't that great. Aaron is pretty ok but he's kind of hollow. Any scene with just Daryl and Carol together became an instant skip.
All in all it was better than I expected, I started rewatching it from S1 now just to see Rick again.
the show had rare unexpected pockets of kino later on
>faction spends a few scenes moving past basic survival, just trying to find a projector bulb to bring people from different towns together for a rare novelty so they'll bond
>bandits randomly send them a letter and demand payment or they'll "turn away" people traveling roads close to their town
>said townspeople realize they're probably not bloodthirsty buttholes if they'd simply "turn away" people on the roads and meet up to try to negotiate
>bandit guy gives them a hard time and insists on materials they don't have
>one of them asks him when the last time any of the bandits had seen a movie (like 10 years after the apocalypse)
>scene abruptly ends
>twenty minutes and one or two different scene transitions later some different characters are having trouble on a random road
>the bandits show up out of nowhere glad to help them, implying they took the deal and agreed to help out so they could see a movie
it was a rare good bit of writing with enjoyable setup and payoff. call me onions all you like but it was fun
>it was a rare good bit of writing with enjoyable setup and payoff. call me onions all you like but it was fun
It certainly has a lot of moments like those. You see characters get built over multiple episodes, even seasons, in a very well thoughout way. There's even blink and you miss 'em moments that are done well, like when Ezekiel and Michonne kiss and they say that yea it can never happen, maybe in another universe.
Imo it works much better as a streaming service show. My biggest gripes with the original airing was the piss poor pacing and influx of bottle episodes. When Negan appeared, it was followed by 2 bottle episodes (one in the Kingdom and one in the Sanctuary) when really everyone wanted to see the outcome of Abraham/Glenn's death on the group. Imagine waiting 4 weeks for a sliver of resolution, but this happens 4 times a season. Maddening. It works better without the drip fed content
Having watched it after it all aired I have to say I found the bottle episodes to be surprinsingly good. At first it came out of the blue and I wanted to be done with so the story can advance, but after a couple more of them it was quite refreshing to take a break from it all and just have a neat little story from time to time.
Hell, I'll even go a step further and say they didn't have enough bottle episodes. I feel like they dropped the ball with Negan pretty hard. They tried to make him sympathetic showing him as a NEET playing videogames, but there was too big of a skip in his development from the death of his wife to founding The Saviours. Yea, you show him get the bat and the leather jacket but that's Solo tier world building. Where did Han get his blaster, some guy gave it to him. Where did Negan get his bat from, some guy gave it to him. Really weak, don't just show me the moment he became an insane person with a bat, show me how he became a leader, how he convinced so many people (by fear, intimidation, respect) to follow him. Show me Negan, not his merchandise.
The bottle episodes are fine in isolation but on original broadcast they were frustrating as frick lad
>show me how he became a leader, how he convinced so many people (by fear, intimidation, respect) to follow him
The show itself shows this to some extent. He exerts control over weaker groups and takes their strongest people. The groups lose strong men and become more dependent and the saviors get stronger. It's why he wants Daryl so fricking bad for like five episodes after he gets punched for killing Abraham (who openly defied him from the start and had to go).
addendum: I may not have clearly stated this enough but I think the idea is that he started with a handful of people like Rick's group, the weak died and the strong were left to begin fricking with the weak and more groups/settlements fell under his rule/were willing to be thug murderers for amenities and it snowballed
all it takes is one butthole from your little town wanting a warm bed and a TV to sell your ass out or otherwise frick you all over so he can go be a stooge and operate radios for the saviors
They really could've made an episode showing Negan create his community somehow mirroring what Rick did. You have so many interesting characters on the Saviours side that you could breathe some humanity in them, like Gavin, Arat, Dwight, Simon. Show how Negan created his council and how it's not that different from what Rick's doing.
Hell they did it with Maggie when she killed the last of the Reapers (when Elijah gives Maggie no choice but to enact revenge). It was such a small part in that episode, but it showed how people can be pushed to do horrible things because they have to protect or keep the trust of the people near them.
>Gavin, Arat, Dwight, Simon
I think all their backgrounds are explored more organically in the show tbh. All the little hints about Simon being a psychopath before outright telling you what he did, same with Arat
You've got some good ideas, it's a shame the show never really jumped into the water with them. Early on after Negan loses they've got the saviors running what are essentially slavery work camps, not allowed to hold guns and left defenseless if they "voluntarily" leave. Daryl says to Rick that he's pretty much doing the same thing Negan did, "protecting them" in exchange for their work and should have just killed them to begin with. 95% of the remaining savior characters being murderous buttholes and killed anyway in the end fully prove him and Morgan correct.
It's the broad on the left. She got a pretty great on-screen backstory with the governor but it's wasted and not really brought up again. She does nothing for several seasons before dying with other forgotten and irrelevant characters en-masse in a move to desperately rake up ratings.
what the frick, she had gigantic breasts the whole time?
I know, right? They really piled on the layers of denim and flannel to hide it to the end. I liked her hair earlier on too, it framed her face better when it wasn't all tied up.
Enid was also busty, though not as much as her
This was a dark day. But who took her body?
I'm glad I dropped this before I could see best girl death
>95% of the remaining savior characters being murderous buttholes
Most of them being buttholes is just a product of the community they created. They wanted power and security through fear, so they had to play the part and before they knew it they became buttholes because that's how the system works. Even Eugene, who's the most caring polite autist in the entire series, abuses that power when getting the drugs from that worker, which is brought home by the fact that not only does he intimidate her but takes all the medicine, and everyone around just watches. If even Eugene can be corrupted by this system I think it would have been interesting to see how the system was created.
>Even Eugene, who's the most caring polite autist in the entire series, abuses that power when getting the drugs from that worker, which is brought home by the fact that not only does he intimidate her but takes all the medicine, and everyone around just watches
I rewatched this scene within a month or two ago, I think you're misremembering. He realizes she's bowing to his authority as an actual savior and takes the amount of drugs he initially wanted, but then also takes a bunch of seemingly useless trash that the worker caste of the sanctuary values (like dirty broken desk fans etc). What he wanted was free, he just skipped a line and took some trash with him. It's for comedic effect but you've got the right idea that he does it to show the viewer he's dipping into the power trip and coming around. Eugene's struggle was actually a good aspect of the savior arc, too bad it ended with such a moronic scene. I loved it when he figured out on his own that the ladies of the evening were conning him to poison Negan. Somebody post the gif/webm of that final stand
Oh yea, Negan's introduction was so drawn out. Him killing some main characters felt like 2 hours of edging. I can't imagine how frustrating it must've been when it was originally aired. That whole series of evens didn't make much sense either. The Saviours are presented as these big brain masterminds that can orchestrate these elaborate traps, but when the main cast wants revenge they turn into random evil buttholes that can easily be outmaneuvered.
Now that I think about it, why the hell did Rick just decide to go on a murder spree after meeting Hilltop? Yes he can be ruthless but only against people that have wrong him or the ones he cares about. And all of a sudden he's ok with murdering complete strangers in their sleep. It's honestly a miracle everyone got out of there in one piece, imagine having your entire base guarded by just two goobers that go out together to get got.
Oh yea, Jesus was cool too.
>I can't imagine how frustrating it must've been when it was originally aired
It's bad even when bingewatching it years later. The entire episode is Rick running in circles around an RV and staring into the camera with red eyes like Brendan Fraser with random cut up pieces of them getting bashed. It's like 20 or 30 minutes into the episode AFTER the cliffhanger until they actually show Glenn dying.
Even at the time everybody on Cinemaphile clocked Abraham or Glenn biting it, if not both of them (which some legitimately did). Abraham standing up to Negan and kneeling tall made him stick out as the obvious target, which obviously gave question as to whether Glenn would get the bat too or not. That fake out shit with all the other characters, as if Negan was about to club a sick pregnant woman to death was so moronic and such a waste of time. I can't believe somebody actually wrote that as it played out, it HAD to be AMC meddling milking it out for max airtime and commercials.
Rick wasn't even a real character by the time he got shoved off the show. He jumped from moralgayging to ruthless to moralgayging and back like six fricking times.
I wanted to see how Rick died, so I looked it up. I was only partially surprised to see how lazy his "death" was. It seemed like the actor had had enough of the show but AMC wanted him, so they had to compromise
I still can't get over that they didn't even kill him. They couldn't plan a single season paced around Rick handing it off to Morgan or a new person or somebody else before a cinematic sacrifice to please the masses, they gave him two or three episodes of being annoying and then helicoptered him offscreen so they could timeskip and make a fricking movie trilogy. Then covid fricked that, so we're left with Rick in limbo nine years after getting abducted. What a garbage heap.
>rick movie
You poor bastard. It's a new show now and Michonne will somehow be in it. But maybe it'll be serviceable if they're the only known leads and the rest of the cast is new, well-written and openly expendable. Good chance of that, right?
The funniest thing about the Rick/Michonne project is that it's been put off so long now that, in universe, both have abandoned their kids for 6 years (Rick) and 2 years (Michonne). Michonne left her kids the day before a goddamn war. And the radio equipment she was using to contact Judith and RJ was wrecked the day after she left. For all Michonne knows, Judith and RJ are fricking dead and due to the lack of movement on the spin off, the character is in limbo with this. Hilarious in a way how bad the pacing is
When they left the prison the show starting falling into a routine. By the time Negan showed up I was already done, Rick made way too many rookie mistakes just for the sake of plot
Call me crazy but it was the routine that kept me engaged. Here's main baddie #1, his community is fricked and he dead now. Here's main baddie #2, his community is fricked and he good now. Here's main baddie #3, she dead now and her henchman is the main baddie now, but their community is fricked and he also dead now.
Season 11 kinda blows chunks in that regard. My boy Alden died for what, The Pope? The Reapers? Who the frick are these people, 10 buttholes that get presented as these big brain masterminds that can orchestrate these elaborate traps, but when the main cast wants revenge they turn into random evil buttholes that can easily be outmaneuvered? SEEN IT! Oh but wait, the Commonwealth has a main baddie too who's at the big brain mastermind stage now. I'll continue watching it but only after all the episodes are out.
Very looking forward to the Rick movie though.
Checked and this. The show reminded me of supernatural. The same issues over and over again following a strict formula.
>group meets new people/settlement
>everything is perfect and safe and will be self sustaining with just a few more improvements.
>Rick finds some small moral flaw or has a dick measuring contest with leader
>ITS NOT SAFE HERE
>somehow zombies get in because the writers remember 5 episodes into the season that it’s a zombie show.
>whole place burns down and the group loses one of their side characters.
>repeat
Look at the size of those sunglasses!
For me it was when Rick died.
S1E1
Drawing out the Saviours Arc was a poor decision, All Out War should have started halfway through Season 6. There's no reason they needed to have so many Kingdom and garbage people episodes.
Who's this? Are those natural?
Alanna Masterson who played Tara
Presumably natural
To me season 8 was when I really checked out. I honestly couldn't really recall a single plot point of the Whisperers arc or any recent season.
I think a big part of it starting to suck is it gets really depressing, like the Kingdom is gone Alexandria and Hilltop are always to the brink. They killed off tons of major characters, even side characters they could've expanded on and replaced them with shitty characters no one cares about. It's basically just the Daryl, Maggie, and Negan show now.
Jugs
hatchet?
introducing Negan, he was so over the top he seemed cartoonish . Also keeping Rick down for too long. Hard to watch. Wanted to punch him, quit b4 that story line finished. Saw this - good guys get less White, bad guys almost 100 percent White. show runners bragged all couples were mixed race or gay.
I couldn’t handle the bland scenery and characters.
Whose breasts? Or unrelated pic?
This chick is a Scientologist.
Too big
When Rig failed to protegem. Ain't like it wuz. Ain't like it wuz.
>shane leads a group without incident for months while rick is in a coma/presumed dead
>shane usurps rick's role and impregnates lori and raises her existing young son as his father figure
>somehow, rick returned
>rick immediately takes up the mantle as leader for no apparent reason
>rick makes several consecutive mistakes as a leader that nearly get his family killed
>said mistakes get several non-family members killed
>shane tells him repeatedly he's being a fricking idiot and going to get his family killed
>rick refuses to listen and wants to release a murderous bandit who knows where they live back to his group of armed thugs
>shane stops him and tries to kill the bandit
>rick beats the shit out of him and takes the bandit back home to "think on it some more" after like a week of holding him and feeding him
>shane concludes rick is going to get everybody he cares about killed and cannot properly protect them like he did
>shane kills the bandit and then tries to kill rick to save them
>out of nowhere shane is murdered by the child he raised like his own
>both lori and said child end up dying in painful, miserable ways because rick actually could not protect them
>>rick makes several consecutive mistakes as a leader that nearly get his family killed
>>said mistakes get several non-family members killed
Kek yeah I remember thinking this when they get to Alexandria. The leader there eventually hands over control of Alexandria to Rick because "he understands this world" and "he kept them alive". For frick sake he got like 25 people killed just in his mismanagement of the Prison and subsequent conflict with Woodbury. And as soon as he gets to Alexandria he gets like 5 people killed due to his decisions. And his attempts to rectify the mistake got another 10 people killed (including the Alexandria leader)
People justify it because Shane goes a little crazy. But that’s mostly caused by the giant dick measuring contest brought on by Rick. Although Shane probably should have exerted more authority when Rick came back but he pussied out because he felt bad he fricked his wife.
There was a planned scene showing that Shane's gun wasn't loaded and he wanted Rick to kill him all along, some kind of suicide attempt. They ended up dropping it for some reason. Thought it would have been a good addition
It's pretty funny, in the comic (for the 50 or so pages Shane is in it) he's a total coper who's wanting them to stay put and wait for rescue, while experiencing mood swings. TV Shane shits all over him.
What did she mean by this?
imagine the smell of the sweat under her boobs
stop it. I can't take this loneliness anymore please stop
>pepehands.jpeg
End of Season 1.
Thats all i could watch.
For anyone that enjoyed TWD, what are your thoughts on the spinoffs?
Did you even bother to watch them?
Are they any good as standalone series?
How do they compare to the main series?
Nobody?
I watched quite a bit of fear the walking dead, and it was incredibly stupid. In one scene some people in a pickup truck drive next to a group of zombie, get out of the car and start shooting at the zombies. When the magazine is empty he just stands there trying to reload it while the zombies get closer and eat him.
I don't mind stupid shit like this if the show sets it up well. They don't know what zombies are after all, if you didn't know what vampires were and they started mass-murdering people at night you wouldn't think to grab a crucifix or some garlic, you'd assume blasting a hole in one with a bolt-action rifle from your gun safe would do the trick and be confused as your neck got raped by a ghoul with a rapidly-healing torso wound. But FTWD goes too moronic too fast with no set up
>Fear
Garbage for the first 4 years, then becomes kino. Fear season 4 onwards is better than season 9-11 Walking Dead
>Beyond
Garbage aside from the scene right at the end
>Tales
Haven't seen a good episode yet
Season 8 was when they started quoting the Koran so probably around then.
S2 when they got fat zombie out of that diseased well. What were they thinking? Were they going to use it for water afterwards???
I think the idea was that they could get the zombie out and in the future use the well after enough weeks/months had passed since it was intact and had only leeched out so much. But when the zombie burst and poured gallons of internal infected liquid into the well it was pretty much indefinitely ruined. It's not like zombies are constantly dripping blood after all, it was a safe bet that it hadn't leaked out *that* much.
The prison shit with the governor and rick hallucinating
I unironically dropped it the moment it got to the fella with the CGI lion. Just felt like it had lost all momentum by then.
It's a byproduct of fricked up pacing. They meet Jesus and immediately get two entirely new factions on top of the saviors to deal with, so there's a ton of information crammed into a relatively short time. Considering conflicts were always 1v1 between Rick and some Big Bad beforehand it's no shock most viewers thought it was jarring. The jump from tight-knit group to townstead/community is the worst part of the show by far but both sides have their moments.
Did they get round to explaining what caused the zombie outbreak yet?
Made in a lab by frenchies, or space i dunno
I read on this board it's implied europe did it (presumably as a call-back to the CDC guy saying france was the closest to figuring it out), european zombies go faster and that the daryl show set in europe will touch more on it
that's all
as far as zombie media goes I've always been a fan of not knowing for sure but with multiple sources of conflicting information in said media, in real life you'd be subject to a thousand different avenues of horseshit trying to insist they have the answer just like dawn of the dead with channels going from preachers to virus stuff etc etc
up to you to figure it out like anything else
Ehh kinda. The Europeans tried to cure it and accelerated the disease, they didn't start it. Europe has fast and intelligent walkers that then in seconds, not minutes, but there's no evidence they started it (yet).
The final episode of season 1. It was a straight-up bad finale and the series never recovered.
After 3 honestly. The zombie show just turns into a normal drama TV show with zombies walking around.
The negan arc killed it for most and it never really recovered, even though everything past that is great the damage has already been done
I thought Negan and the Saviours were fine they're much better than they were in the comic's. Saying that, I gotta go with
the problems I had with the Saviours arc is the pacing. When you're not waiting a week for resolution, or 12 weeks for the mid season premiere, the show is much more palatable.
Whisperer and commonwealth arcs were ruined by Rick being gone
Season 2
Reminder that Michonne left her kids to die and hasn't been in contact since she left
5 minutes after it started
Shanes death.
The type of characters in the show changes to the ridiculous after the farm.
Is this show over yet? I stopped watching after season 3. I bet that is when most of america abandoned the show as well
8 episodes left
>I bet that is when most of america abandoned the show as well
Lmao not even close. The viewers begun dropping a bit in S8 but didn't start cratering until Rick left
that dumbfrick episode when the governor stood outside the jail with a tank screaming
RICK I HAVE A TANK
RICK I HAVE A TANK
RICK I HAVE A TANK
RICK I HAVE A TANK
the entire god damn episode
completely fricking moronic season finale. total shit
stopped watching for like 3 years after that
somehow got roped back in. the terminus season was kinda kino
the Alexandria arc was shit. haven't watched since the season they killed negan
Negan is still alive.
whatever. it was the season that ended with rick in a landfill or whatever and then he sees a helicopter.
final episode of season 1
After S1.
I can't remember the name, I think it was Morgan.
It was his backstory episode where they showed how he became a ninja turtle.
Remember when she quit because she thought she was going to have a career and she had to beg to come back? God damn I love this delicious b***h
Why did the trash people forget how to speak?