When will the "evil Superman" trope go away? Its retarded and only dumb normies think Superman is a boring character
When will the "evil Superman" trope go away? Its retarded and only dumb normies think Superman is a boring character
When will the "evil Superman" trope go away? Its retarded and only dumb normies think Superman is a boring character
Dude
WEED
LMAO
has the evil superman trope even been done that much outside of comics
Brightburn, Injustice, and pretty sure there was one on Arrow, plus it was done at least twice outside of the big 2 comics (Invincible and Irredeemable) and countless times within
Invincible is pretty much the only one that ever had anything interesting to say about it
Why can't we just get a show or something like this but with a sadistic magical girl who goes mad with power instead of some guy
Sounds significantly worse than if it was some guy
>muh ebil underage magical girl goes on panty quest
Back to /a/, gay.
shut up bitch. also it's not a panty quest, it's an edgy panty massacre.
>muh tranime
Dilate
there's only a single tolerable edgy panty massacre
kys
>Moeshit but edgy
wow, it's even more mentally ill now
I think you mean Scarlet Witch
And then then it was just discount Sayians.
Saiyans are discount Kryptonians.
Kryptonians weren't used to bringing down planets for a mutant alien to sale for money.
>Saiyans are discount Kryptonians.
This. Goku is Superman and Vegeta is Zod.
but those all suck, The Boys did it right, he's a great character
Superman is a boring shitty character. Having psycho versions of him like Homelander or Omniman is more interesting than a boring american boyscout god bullshit.
It's an illegal alien and a xeno and it must be exterminated.
Lex Luthor is the real hero.
Based and imperiumpilled
Omniman is more like Zod or Vegeta
We haven't really gotten the all-american boyscout since the Donner movies, though
this
hes more interesting as the baddy
>Superman is a boring shitty character
said the retarded man, the conflicts of superman are better than just uuh i have too much power, and his stories are superior to any gay clone of him.
Okay okay. You need your skydaddy to be good, I get it.
lmao, good comeback there. Also Superman isn't even the strongest League member now anyway
Yeah we get it. You don't understand the concept of morality.
it's not a morality problem
it's just superman's powers are much more interesting when they belong to an opposing force
you could make superman mildly interesting if he was the antagonist and the POV is from the bad guys, but at the end of the day you have to root for the bad guys
its why homelander is much more interesting than superman, cuz he's unstoppable
Not that anon but you simply need to broaden your tastes on what makes Superman interesting. You believe that, due to his abilities, Superman can only be made compelling in a story when he is the unstoppable and overbearing authoritarian force against the plucky good guys. It's not that you're mistaken, it's just that you've just completely reduced Superman to just his powers, completely divorcing it from his entire character.
interesting superman writing requires smart writers who create nuanced situations with "unpunchable" moral problems.
>superman builds homes for the homeless, 90,000 contruction workes now unemployed
>superman prevents an ethnic cleansing, former victims preform counter genocide when he steps away
>superman uncovers immigrant child prositution trafficking, but must prevent race riot.
current ~~*writers*~~ are too censored to cover the hard topics that would make good superman stories. the writers who go independent always end up wasting that creative freedom by promoting an agenda instead of creating a nuanced situation with multiple POV's and no clearly correct answer.
Then you get something like For the Man Who Has Everything or What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & The American Way? which are forever remembered as one of the great Superman stories.
They seethe because you tell the truth.
true
Let me guess retard you think dragonball z is boring and a rich retarf furry that struggles with clowns is interesting
Dragonball > Z
I don't watch gay chink shit
dragonball is shit, shonenmoron
No, dragonball is obviously better, goku is way more entertaining than superman lol
>Superman is a boring shitty character
>IdontreadcomicsbutImentitledtohaveone
boo
>I don’t read the comics
Uh, yea?
yep hence shit opinion, Supermans great, do you think his comic is just him being like OnePunchMan in every issue?
Fuck off to whatever the comic book board is, this is /misc/
/toon/ - comics and cartoons here.
our board is better than yours
the only good threads here are baneposting and dumbledore threads
That's fine, fuck off back.
This is true, I've had better convos here about comics than /toon/.
No wonder capeshit won’t die
there has not been a single good superhero movie since 2011.
most of them suck.
>/toon/ - comics and cartoons
Man /toon/ has been shit since comics is now shit. Pretty sad since I use to go to /toon/ everyday but now I never go there
Well because a lot of people migrated to /misc/ because /toon/ has been shit
Tbh I only go to /toon/ to mock comics these days.
What the fuck am i reading? Did they really brought Morrison's Empty Hand for this shit? Jesus Christ.
So let's say, hypothetically, that right now Pariah (the guy whose role was to fuck up and suffer forever in COIE) is canonically more powerful than Darkseid, and the Empty Hand is the LITERAL hand the Great Darkness used to shake God's in that Swamp Thing comic, and that his evil plan is trapping superheroes in worlds where everything went right for them and they're with their families but there's no crossovers with other superheroes? That is to say Barry still has his kids and stuff, but he isn't with Superman or anything because Superman has his own happy dimension. And apparently this is evil and will kill the multiverse with hope or something?
How would that make you feel, anon?
Fucking... nothing, actually. Just disappointed at how low DC has fallen. Fucking hell.
Honestly, good for you. It's debatable if comics were ever worth getting invested into, but they definitely aren't now.
DC died with Flashpoint.
Who the fuck is that? DC Doom?
Oh, it's Pariah. Sure, why not. Personally I would have used Jimmy Olsen.
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Kell_Mossa_(Pre-Crisis)
Remember the guy who spent COIE crying about accidentally causing it? Yeah, he's come up a long way in the world. According to the Great Darkness itself he's cosmically powerful and can help it "save the multiverse" by destroying the current "false" one and bringing back the family he lost among other things.
By the way the stupidest thing that happened in this pic isn't the Empty fucking Hand being enslaved, it's the fact that the Empty Hand was FULLY SUPPORTING the Great Darkness' goals and there's literally no reason for it to be enslaved
What saddens me about this is that the modern comics are so shitty and the writers so braindead that their only recourse is to reuse age old "big" characters from the 80's like Pariah, The Great Darkness, and so on that were all from separate stories and unironically *link* them up into a huge podge mess in an attempt to create some new twist and provide a kind of artificial escalation.
It's the same reason why in the last 3 Crisis events the writers have been unironically going "Batman with Joker insanity can solo the multiverse, mid-diff". They can't even escalate right, they just keep pointing at these classic characters and going HEY ISN'T THIS GUY COOL? ISN'T OUR LEGACY COOL!? HE'S SOOOO SMART
It's the same reason right now fucking Deathstroke is leading the supervillain war with the superheroes. This shit was done already and it was done better in Forever Evil where it was the actual Crime Syndicate invading Earth, but this time you're supposed to believe a bunch of shitty C and D-lister bargain bin villains led by an A-list street level man with a sword can meaningfully oppose Supergir and Dr. Fate among others.
Oh yeah, did I mention most of the A-List villains are nominally working with the heroes after the last cosmic retard brawl? Luthor. Vandal. Hell, Black Adam straight up JOINED the League at Superman's request even though the last event made everything canon-including, presumably, World War 3.
Im more sad with the sutur guy massacring everyone as a pastiche galactus
Yeah but the opinion is on Superman's character which is hand in hand with the comic medium. Besides even on tv/movie format Superman is flawed
/misc/ has been /toon/-lite for years
>Television & Film
TPBP. The invincible boy scout shit is boring as fuck.
Superman, despite all of his powers, is still very human. This is what makes him interesting, all of the moral dilemmas he gets put through.
t gay pothead losers with no father in the home
You described yourself
Nice projection, Satan. You're the one looking for role models in capeshit lmao.
>Omniman
He's more than developed enough as a character to not just be superman but le bad
He's still counted as a Superman expy. Same goes with Marvel's Sentry, Blue Marvel and many others throughout superhero-related media
Justice League Unlimited really fleshed out Superman's character
>punches him and then goes to where he is being shot and overhand smashes him into the ground
thats great and I like when thats done, its what I would unironically call hype.
regular and evil Superman are both boring characters
We really need a boy scout hero
I swear, the Superman archetype is the only character where people can only accept a pure paragon of virtue or an absolute monster. Few attempts at actual character complexity.
This one's good, though.
Superman is perfect paragon of virtue, but Clark Kent has struggles like everyone else.
I like his relationship with his CIA handler in this storyline, but dislike that he doesn't warn his kids to beware the man.
>their moms spanked them
kinky
Yeah this one is actually a good story about "Superman if real" like, he wouldn't be a super goody but he wouldn't be evil either. Mostly he'd be paranoid and scared of goverments fucking him up, like this story shows. There's also a batman one that was done in the same style but it wasn't as good.
I blame the writers. You look at, I don't know-Raoh or Dark Schneider and you can have this super powerful guy who also walks the thin line between good intentions and foul motives or methods. But capeshit writers need their flying brick to be a paragon, demon or clown for whatever reason.
Nah. Superman is great.
>genuinely kind person
>shows that having kind relationships with people helps make someone a good person
>chooses to be a savior despite all his power, just because
>has a fortress of solitude, keeps the titanic in there, a museum of cool shit he found in space, and cool weapons he got off villains
>isn't even human but is more human than most of us
I could go on, Superman haters are just edgy gays who don't think that genuine good can exist in this world because a girl rejected them or their moms spanked them.
I'm a fuckin' heretic but I think Superman is great and also Evil Superman can be great if written well. Imo the problem isn't the character at all; part of what makes Omni-Man endearing is he does sincerely love Mark and Debbie after all. The problem is that writers these days are too cynical, too busy letting Current Year news and trends live rent free in their heads and too unimaginative in order to write a compelling, engaging Good Superman story. On the other hand, it's very easy for those writers to imagine how visceral and fucked up an Evil Superman is.
For example, back when Darkseid and Mr. Mxyptik weren't powercrept they often put Superman in situations where he can't beat them head-on. Darkseid is /roughly/ as powerful physically as Superman, and also has homing beams that can do whatever the plot needs them to. Mr. Mxyptik just fucking warps reality. So to beat Darkseid Superman has to let the beams chase him all over town, and then fly PAST Darkseid in such a way they hit him in passing. And to beat Mr. Mxyptik Superman has to trick him into spelling his name backwards because of bullshit imagination wish logic.
It's much easier for writers to imagine Homelander making a career-climbing wagie piss herself by throwing a tantrum, than it is for writers to imagine the kind of enemy who gives someone as powerful as Silver Age Superman a serious challenge in an INTERESTING way that also doesn't cost a fortune in SFX.
Based.
Superman is the only wholesome thing that a garden gnome ever created.
based post, made all the /toon/ons seethe
Nice bait.
I agree. I don't mind wholesome characters, but Superfag ticks me off the wrong way. Maybe it's the wasted concept, maybe it's because he's too overpowered to assume the role of the relatively passive bystander. More than that, I just hate his utterly banal character. I prefer Xavier as someone in that vein.
He knows he's carrying that crap show
he's a massive gay living it up in a faggy show
It hasn't worked since Red Son, but that won't stop them from trying
>Red Son
Kingdom Come*
Kingdom Come is shit, no idea why it gets praised so highly
What the fuck are you on. Kingdom Come was a good deconstruction of the JSA.
>It's a deconstruction! Superheroes have god complexes, so deep!
It's been done a million times and done better.
Not on the level of Kingdom Come and not to the level of actually using Christianity as its center piece made during the climate of the 90s.
That bit was completely superfluous and added exactly nothing. They could have and should have cut that old hobo from the story, nothing would have changed.
Anyone who says superman has a god complex doesn't understand the character. A god rules. Superman doesn't choose to rule. He doesn't see himself above others despite his crazy power. That's the whole reason why he could ever be deserving of having the power to begin with, whereas a god's power is unconditional.
>deconstruction
Why are incels so obsessed with this word?
It's a word stupid people use to feel smart
Superman isn’t bad in Kingdom Come, he’s just misguided a little. Although Kingdom Come did start the Psycho Violent Wonder Woman meme.
I agree.
The only time I have ever actually liked Wonder Woman is when she executes the dude who killed Blue Beetle.
Max Lord is based tho its just that Ted was more
>Superman isn’t bad in Kingdom Come, he’s just misguided a little.
He placed motherfuckers in a Gulag, threatened to kill the entire UN representatives, and in the end was happy about handing all the meta-humans to Wonder Woman's totalitarian "paradise" to be programed.
That's just Mark Waid being Mark Waid.
Seriously, i will never understand Kingdom Come popularity outside of the art. The story makes no sense and the characters are all fucking dicks. In the end i was feeling bad for the Cable wannabe character. Superman and Batman are easily the spiteful fucks in the entire comic.
Wasn't Kingdom Come a response to 90's anti-heroes?
Yes. I THINK the idea was to show how the 90's type of anti-heroes that were being introduced all sucked and we needed the traditional superheroes of old back because the values they embodied, but in reality the comic just show Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman to be egocentric spiteful fucks that get their way in the end.
Yeah alot of comics fail their mission statement.
>Yes. I THINK the idea was to show how the 90's type of anti-heroes that were being introduced all sucked and we needed the traditional superheroes of old back because the values they embodied, but in reality the comic just show Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman to be egocentric spiteful fucks that get their way in the end.
the moral was that there were too fucking many superpowered characters and most of them had to die
I feel like its been too long since I read kingdom come, thats the one where superman has given up since the public now desires these violent heroes who are willing to kill, I don't remember that much about it if wonder woman is some kinda totalitarian.
also
>threatened to kill the entire UN representatives
based.
didn't get btfo enough on /toon/, OP?
Didn't your wife get enough BBC last night, cuck?
Do you know how weird it is to just randomly use that as an insult?
Lmao cry some more, cuck
american moment
i think he's based
i've always thought he was the most watchable character.
i'm not white, btw
The evil Superman trope has been going on for decades but its foray into mainstream television is relatively new.
This. most people haven't read or even heard of any of those comics so their first exposure is either Homelander or Omni Man.
How have we arrived at a point in this culture where telling a story about a good superman sounds like some crazy groundbreaking fringe idea?
It is the prevailing opinion that Superman is too preachy on its messages and that being an immutable and incorruptible boy scout is too boring of a concept for modern Western audiences.
no, people loved captain America
Writing for Captain America and Superman are two completely different things. Superman can't even be the All-American hero anymore since he's a "global force for good" or some shit.
captain America was even more gay than this shitshow.
>captain America was even more gay
Can he be gay with me?
But modern western media is preachy as fuck. I think it's more that people think optimism, empathy and genuine decency just have no place in this generally cynical, bitter and pessimistic zeitgeist. But I'd say that's all the more reason it's needed.
>I think it's more that people think optimism, empathy and genuine decency just have no place in this generally cynical, bitter and pessimistic zeitgeist. But I'd say that's all the more reason it's needed.
elites won't encourage acts of "respect" or "compromise" until they have exhausted their ability to "marginalize" and "dominate." plebs will continue to behave divisively as long as they're unemployed or have to compete for the few non-low paying jobs - claim to eat the rich, actually eat the middle class. this was the late 70's + 80's vigilante comics + punk rock/protest zeitgeist. even though things picked up economically by the mid 80's, good times cultural production lagged and didn't kick in until the early 90's.
>prevailing opinion
Shut the fuck up you worthless garden gnome cock sucker.
How many Superman expys do you think have been created now? How many do you think are even good? It is supremely easier for lesser writers to write Superman when he's just this authoritarian power man.
they need to do a good superman movie, not some edgy schlock but something really fun. Like an adaptation of all star superman or maybe even some silver age stuff.
>they need to do a good superman movie
Boring
no
Superman stands for truth, justice, and the American way even if the country doesn’t.
Yeah let's watch "nihilism and excess: the show" for the 900th time, that'll really get us going
Why do you think the most die-hard of Superman detractors are often Battfags?
Superman's challenge should be to be a good person. We should see him struggle with it. That would be interesting. Not just bad or good Superman, but a normal Superman.
That's what Snyder literally did and people hated him for it.
Snyder made superman grimdark
Yeah cuz that was totally like Berserk.
>only dumb normies think Superman
So do movie writers and producers. The best they could do in modern times was a Jesus archetype. They don't want Superman to do weird shit like fight aliens off-plant or wizards in another dimension, and they don't want him to leave that piece of shit Metropolis is the trash where it belongs. I fucking hate how adaptations glue Superman to that city.
The only good deconstruction of superheros was Watchmen. Everything else is just derivative, self indulgent garbage.
The whole point of Watchmen was to showing how stupid it is to take these types of characters and try to apply real world logic to their actions.
watchmen was a product of it's time - cold war uneducated plebs living under a manufactured threat of nuclear paranoia - which was an aspect that the movie failed to capture or communicate to an audience born a generation later.
>also if moore had done actual technical research, and made adrian's masterplan would include a risk analysis determination that nuclear "annihilation" was actually surviveable. but it's art, not science.
similarly, the boys is a product of an era when the GWOT, MIC and Halliburton, "no wars for oil," "iraq has nuclear weapons," and "nationbuilding" are the yuppie-protest zeitgeist boogeymen.
It's like comparing the early issues of The NAM to Ennis's Punisher Nam stories.
Nuclear war would be a permanent death for human civilization that we would never recover from. There would be survivors but they would be a diminishing breed of poisoned people living short lives full of cancer and being given nothing from the Earth.
>Hiroshima Population 2022
2,072,344
Literally uneducated hippie fearmongering. You morons think TV is real. Worst case scenario, white people emigrate to South America and Africa, life goes on.
the bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki were two bombs significantly less powerful than anything we have today, and that did result in radioactive fallout spreading far beyond the borders of those cities making people in the surrounding areas incredibly ill to the point where many of them died. A large scale nuclear war would put enough fallout into the air that for years it would only be black rains that bring death to all people, animals, and crops, while polluting the rivers and groundwater.
The idea that because hiroshima and nagasaki recovered that nuclear war is harmless seems to me to have very little thought put into it.
Even if by some kind of miracle Africa and South America would be spared by both the nukes and the subsequent nuclear fallout, the few remaining whites would be slaughtered to the last man and the wastelands of Europe, Asia, and North America would be colonized.
is this the topic where gnomish boys try to impress mexican men? sure looks like it. TOP FUCKING KEK!!!
They should call it " someone exploding for shock value until its boring" instead of "the boys"
I think its based on a comic book called the boys. Naming it something else may get confusing
It barely follows the books anyway. They changed one of the most important parts of the story with Black Noir
yooooooooooooo dude shut up i fucking love the boys the boys is so good man its hecking epic wholesome big chungus keanu
>only dumb normies think Superman is a boring character
bro, you like capeshit, you have no right to talk about dumb normies, you pathetic manchild
It's becoming cape -"shit" because hack writers keep ruining it with their bitch basic interpretations of it.
>Superman from Kansas
>greatest hero the world has ever seen
>Superman from New York
pic related
Bring back the good ol' values from honest and hard working people. Fuck this liberal garden gnomes.
>Bring back the good ol' values from honest and hard working people. Fuck this liberal garden gnomes.
yeah the garden gnomes ruined Superman, who do they think created him in the first place?
SUUUUUUUPERMAAAAAAAN
Fuck The Boys series for thinking it had any right to mock this comic.
It's a kind of interesting idea but it can only be a one-off. The problem is there is nowhere to take the story: god is evil and wants to kill us.....so he kills everybody, the end, great story good use of time. That's all it is and can ever be, less a concept for a story than a mere thought experiment.
So when Amazon, with homelander, tries to stretch an indefinite amount of seasons over that very flimsy premise, you get a character that is not allowed to ever do anything by the writers. He can act evil and mean and threatening, but you can't actually show it on a large scale without ending your story. Superman goes bad = humanity is extinct OR magical plot device ends the threat. Shit's boring man, there's a reason nobody cares about alternate universes.
It's just a neat idea that people mistake for profound, because there is very little to really think about.
I mean they absolutely could if they had balls. He literally said it last episode. He is powerful enough to cripple the government, home defences, and critical infrastructure if he wanted to. Essentially flipping the narrative game table creating an entirely new story.
People would eat that shit up if done properly. Folks love bold, crazy plot twists like that like GoT's Red Wedding. I remember the scene where Homelander laser eyes all the people in the crowd in Manhattan and people were pissed at the blue balling that it was fake and just in his head. I say why not go there? He is powerful enough and day by day getting more unhinged. It would suprise the hell out of everyone if he went that far but given his character it would seem almost inevitable, it would be the obvious direction he would take in these circumstances but nonetheless no one wouldel expect a conventional tv show to actually go ahead and do it! And imagine if he succeeded, completely broke the world as we know it like a dime-a-dozen Marvel villian that actually manages to defeat the system and rule over the ashes. It would give the Boys, some of which obviously would survive this epic moment, a whole new sense of stake. Exactly laid out in Homelander and Butcher's late night discussion in Episode one of s3.
They could pull off one of the biggest twists in television history given how popular this shit is and make the Red Wedding seem like a children's picnic. It would be very bold because lots of people would die, very expensive as they couldn't use their sets anymore and realistically showing the action / aftermath of an apocalyptic Amercia would be costly. But most importantly it's and a very uncomfortable direction to take the show in, the tone would be completely fucked and the cheap satire and dick jokes aren't available to you anymore after something like that the stakes are too high to fuck around anymore. The burden of worldbuilding this action would be very difficult as well to make it seem realistic. Writing entire new social, political, economic systems is always a huge challenge. That's probably why it will never happen and if Homelander does decide to 'go for it' he will get curbstomped by girls getting it done just like Stormfront was. Staus-quo must be preserved.
I really hope they do take that direction, otherwise the show will lose any stake it has if nothing big never happens
There's so many odds stacked up against it I think. GoT was the closest tv got to something like I described and after s3 essentially nothing happened. The highest stake of the show was the Battle for Winterfell and after that the show was basically done for creativity. No Queen Dani ruling over the ashes she dies as soon as the poltical / social makeup of Westeros was compromised so we go back to essentially a status quo. I think even GRRM isn't ambitious enough to go that direction and would end his book similarly if given the chance 'King Bran will rule justly and with rational taxation yadda yadda.' Even kinda trashy anime like Code Geass did this in the last season and the fans went ballistic they called it the greatest anime ending ever
Besides budget I think tone is another killer. Evangelion is a good example of what it takes when you change narrative direction that quickly. Half way thru the show the tone freefalls. No more fan-service, no more jokes, no more funny animals, no more comedic side characters. Real stakes don't allow for any of these cheap satirization of Cinemaphile and Marvel shit anymore. In such an environment you have to actually do some real writing. Comedy will be bleak but derived from circumstance, from character reaction to the new world. Loved characters will get their hands dirty and the true ugliness, or beauty of them will be exposed. It would be crushing work for the cast as inevitably lots would die and or characters that survive wouldn't come out for the better particularly Butcher. But for fuck sake THAT'S REAL WRITING. Sopranos 6B executed this shit perfectly it was like an entirely different show and we truly, truly saw who these people were by the end. Shame it didn't last longer.
Im kinda pissed because there is so much potential here for this kinda story to be told. The fandom and budget are all there, all we need is a bold visionary director who can take Homelander in for a home run, but I know it won't happen
the writers of this show won't do that simply because they can't. It is, before anything else, a comedy produced by Seth Rogen. The want their little show to riff on the news and pop culture, it's about teasing 'the mainstream', while ironically being very mainstream.
To actually show Evil Superman would be a billion-dollar roland emmerich disaster movie with planes falling out of the sky and nuclear bombs going off. The biggest action set piece The Boys has ever had is a fist fight between four people in a field, and a barn blowing up.
It would also validate Homelander's conception of himself, which is the last thing the writers want to do. As much as people like him, or love to hate him or w/e, he is in the show to be humiliated and ultimately to lose.
Homelander? More like Basedlander.
>Superman evil
Isn't superman about grooming a kid and treating him like shit?
I thought that was batman
>what are the teen titans?
bro they all had sidekicks
The Golden Age comics are a trip!
golden age supes = best supes
silver age = most overrated supes
>silver age = most overrated supes
All-Star is, I love Superdickery.
>fatty
>dressed nicely
>eating a stick of celery and what looks like baked ham in a sit-down restaurant
It was a different time
>Clark Brosnan
Superman's real secret identity in the comics is An Asshole.
>LE SUPERMAN BUT EVIL!
God I fucking hate people that say this retarded shit.
Super powered heroes with super strength and flight have been a thing for a hundred fucking years, as a concept this goes as old as mankind.
Even the eye laser and freeze breath were stolen from other characters.
Superman doesn't have a monopoly on being super.
I'm pretty sure Superman was the first super hero. Hes pretty old bro.
Normalfags are the biggest consumers of capeshit. Nobody cares about what some comic nerds, think hence the MCU making all sorts of changes because they think it's what the audience is paying for.
It's actually pretty interesting
Genius IQ here. Superman is a boring character.
Dr. Manhattan is the most ''realistic'' not-Superman, if you want to try and be realistic about glowing god-men. He is not a good man like the real one or a bad man like Homelander, he is not a man at all. He becomes too alien to be able to understand or participate in the world, he does not understand what people want from him, he resolves to leave the planet. That is all more interesting than 'yeah but what if he went SICKO MODE and started melting army guys' who cares
>,he does not understand what people want from him
A point completely invalidated when he zapped Rorschach to preserve Adrian's plans for peace for the time being because Sally spoke to him about the value of life.
He has moments of trying to do the "right thing", what he thinks people want of him. Like winning Vietnam.
They have their parallels, hence Geoff John's Doomsday Clock but I wouldn't call Doc a Superman expy.
Ugh, Fucking John's always tinkering with shit & making it worse.
>Forces such as the Anti-Monitor and Extant have been responsible for the shifts in Superman's timeline.
Extant? What did he do? Zero Hour? That was done by Parallax-oh wait. Johns doesn't want to talk about that.
kek
qrd?
Superman is actually super boring. I don't think Snyder was wrong in doing some of the stuff, the real problem is the execution. Basically you put Superman into that type of world and situation but he actually needs to inspire the fuck out of everybody. Unfortunately that didn't really happen in a believable way.
>Unfortunately that didn't really happen in a believable way.
>believable
sounds like a you problem.
all 7 billion of you
>that didn't really happen in a believable way.
>Knock, Knock
>"Who's that?"
>"It's Superman, I heard someone shouting, is everything okay?"
>"Hey bitch, you hear that? Even Superman thinks you talk too much!"
>woman throws bottle
>"Please calm down ma'am"
>"Don't tell me to calm down, get out of my house and mind your own business you goddamn alien."
if you watched COPS before Floydd cancelled that show, this would be a very beleivable setup. Now superman just needs to help them reconcile. Brave, Daring, Inspirational!
Strangely has a Hitman comic vibe where Supes shows up
See there, Ennis understands Superman. Thus, his writing of Homelander in the comics works as a character with independent thoughts and motivations that contrast Superman. Homelander's divergence is from being raised without Ma and Pa Kent - he has no roots, no empathy, and no desire or obligation to help anyone. Ennis takes that fundamental change and expands the universe from there. The show's writers OTOH just mimic surface level behaviors. Thus the earlier poster says: homelander is just another edgelord that has no motivation beyond fucking and doing drugs. Deconstructions require you to understand the original source material - no such luck for the hollygarden gnome.
>c-culture and history is not real guys
This is Reddit-tier Kallergi kids thinking and makes me hate Superboring even more
I think Snyders was the best realistic Superman, like a “what if he existed in our world?” Superman. And I like BVS because it deals with the fallout of his existence. Too bad his development got cut short, there definitely is a pathway for him to become an ultimate Superman that’s confident in himself and his actions. Granted I didn’t like the direction he was going in for the Snyderverse, it seemed like he was going to sit in the back, be quiet, and just be evil Superman while Batman takes front and center. And I don’t think Cavill’s Superman should be or is capable of becoming evil anyway. Going back to the criticism on him killing Zod in MoS, many supercoomers wanted a deus ex machina cop out for him, but what’s the point of the strongest being if you aren’t going to put him in the toughest positions? I think Cavill’s Superman should be an indestructibly good person continually facing evil, horrific, and seemingly impossible to defeat/overcome obstacles but can because he’s fucking Superman. His only limit is that he can’t overcome his desire to save people. Which is what Lois confronted him about in MoS, disappearing all together simply isn’t an option for him
I have mixed feelings about BvS but I unironically enjoyed MoS. Felt like it hit a good balance of dramatic and cheeky. I'm also curious where Snyder was going to go with Darkseid. He spent BvS hyping him up as this cosmic force, in ZSJL he shows up basically by hologram to offer Steppenwolf "redemption" but I'm not convinced we'll ever see him again given the absolute STATE of the DCEU between Heard and Miller.
Also, I know about how in the comics Uxas becomes Darkseid after murdering his brother Drax for the Omega Effect but it was a bit awkward that wasn't explained at all even in ZSJL. From the audience's perspective Darkseid invaded Earth halfcocked, got BTFO by Avatar: The Last Airbender-tier attacks and had to be rescued. Doesn't help they claimed he forgot about Earth from bloodloss despite being surrounded by minions with spacefaring capabilities lmao
>I have mixed feelings about BvS
I liked it but it would have been perfect if it was Metallo instead of Doomsday. I remember an anon likening the shit with Arthurian legend, like how Superman is Arthur and Doomsday is Mordred ,etc
Everything about the Doomsday fight reminds me of the New 52's godawful introduction to Darkseid. It's different on various levels, but I still really feel like someone wanted to evoke that moment, just with a character they could pose as a credible threat to the Trinity but still kill off without wasting Darkseid.
Yep would have been better if it was Metallo, he'd stlil be a powerhouse that can 1v3 Supes,Bats and Wondie but has that emotional impact of a villain because his accident was indirectly caused by Superman
On a more smoothbrain level, I just think a robot that's roughly as fast and powerful as Superman but also has some bullshit like an AoE krytonite radiation blast or omnidirectional built-in lasers would look cooller on the big screen than what was blatantly the cave troll from Moria until he got nuked.
I kind of get what they were going for with him growing in the look of the classic Doomsday as he takes damage in the battle, but dammit the cave troll resemblance is too strong.
Eh, I actually really didn't understand why they went with Doomsday, he's not really a "classic" superman villain, yeah Doomsday "killed" Supes but after that he literally became monster of the week villain. Metallo is a classic Superman Rogue, they could have also went with Eradicator or Cyborg Superman too
>he's not really a "classic" superman villain
I think in the writers' minds he is, just because of The Death of Superman. Like right now in the comics Doomsday has been retconned into an avatar of the Great Darkness because the retard writers think he's SO ICONIC he deserves to have some cosmic bullshit justifying his existence instead of just being a big retarded monster. Which is what he is.
>comics Doomsday has been retconned into an avatar of the Great Darkness
Lmao. DC really went down. I thought with rebirth and shifting back to pre FlashPoint itd get better but nah. Doomsday was literalyl just monster of the month
>because the retard writers think he's SO ICONIC he deserves to have some cosmic bullshit justifying his existence
this is my single greatest issue with comics, I like spiderman a lot, my favorite hero, but I hate the spidergod and the spidermen being so important and having these vampire gods who roam the multiverse hunting them, spiderman is the friendly neighborhood super hero who fights smaller threats but is sometimes dragged into larger conflict because he is HIGHLY over qualified to be fighting mobsters, and he just helps people who are down on their luck, when the prowler shows up he convinces him to sell his inventions instead of being a super villain, he doesn't give him a concussion and toss him in jail, he is a human and down to earth hero, not a super powered god hopping universes and making deals with the devil to save his antediluvian aunt.
The crippled dude should have been made into Metallo.
The crippled dude WAS Metallo before the script got rewritten.
Concept art from the earlier stages of the movie.
ZSJL is full of inconsistencies. Aquaman arriving with a shirt on despite taking it off every time he leaves, Wonder Woman destroying the building while trying to stop the terrorists from doing that, steppenwolf should’ve known what earth was the moment the motherbox called out to him. If DC producers did their job by noting and correcting those inconsistencies and tightening the runtime so it didn’t have to be 3hr minimum the movie would’ve been fine. I guess the real nails in the coffin were Johns trying to remake the movie in his own image and Kevin’s 2 hour mandate. Apparently Snyder had a 2h45m cut, I wonder what it looked like.
>Aquaman arriving with a shirt on despite taking it off every time he leaves
That's just Aquaman trying to show off.
I genuinely still have no idea what they were trying to convey with the random woman singing in Norwegian when Aquamomoa was going into the water.
It was a music about a girl crying the loss of the chaddest chad of her small village, which cuts to the scene of Martha mourning the loss of her son.
Homelander is based. Best take on the trope so far.
Superman is boring, but only if his supporting cast is boring too. Superman basically needs his plot/cast to create situations that are interesting for him to be interesting (which isn't a bad thing, it's just not executed well that often).
It actually kinda already had. Injustice, invincible, the boys, plutonian are all old stories that got made into new media. No original "evil Superman" story has been made in decades
Miracleman, A God somewhere.
>plutonian
ending of that and irredeemable was pretty bad lol. idk why but a lot of comics now especially elseworld is wayy too gore-y for me. I mean there has been gore comics in elseworld comic for both DC and Marvel but these days its amped up to a hundred.
Idk anon, comics during the 2000s were really violent and edgy.
They were, but now its amped up by a lot. Idk guess it shows the cultural difference and how people today like a lot of blood
Not original, never will be watchmen tier, but as long as Amazon don't stretch this in twenty seasons of i am le bad superman, i will do fucked up shit, but not now wait next season, it's watchable
They show how soulless corporations use woke/gay/chud shit to sell things. Great season already.
How about dropping capeshit then? Maybe try and watch better shows or something.
Except Superman is a boring character
>LE STRONG MAN THAT FLIES AROUND IN SPANDEX AND UNDERWEAR AND HAS SOOPER DOOPER POWERS
good or evil this shit is fucking lame and should have died out 50 years ago, read an actual book about heroism you fucking children
Read Worm. That is all.
>only dumb normies think Superman is a boring character
Not only is Superman boring, he has also always been a shallow mouthpiece for the insipid propaganda of the moment.
he was funny comical character on the beginning, the moment it started to be a more serious character was the moment it started to suck.
If The Boys really wanted to be subversive they would NOT have homelander finally go full-Holocaust when the time came. The point of the character is that he is inadequate and will not rise to the occasion, even if that occasion is him embracing his evil destiny. He will lose interest, he will not follow through, or he will snap out of it after being furious for five minutes like most screamers, and feel bad afterwards. He's a flake, he's very childish, he has no stable identity. Being Evil Superman at least requires an iron will and some sort of vision for the world, and Homelander has none of that.
The Boys comic series is not very good but at least when it came time for Homelander to take over the world he was promptly fucking killed.
So what's gonna happen is the tone will stay the course and Homelander will get some pathetic meme death wimpering while the Boys / Girls get it done. It was not particularly compelling when Stormfront get btfod so I doubt it will be compelling the second time round.
>It would also validate Homelander's conception of himself, which is the last thing the writers want to do. As much as people like him, or love to hate him or w/e, he is in the show to be humiliated and ultimately to lose.
This is so important too. Let Homelander rise to the occasion validates his ideology and methods. In this climate where people with these 'problematic' personalities are seen as dangerous this cannot be allowed. They dont think we can handle another Tony Soprano. We're too stupid to realize Homelander's path is a road to loneliness and self annihilation. Given how especially popular and memed he is obviously the Cinemaphileners will rally to him and take his example! So yeah, the moment he tries anything he will get btfod and beg his mommy for butter milk like an absolute moron having accomplished nothing in his pathetic, worthlessness existance.
Given the above, Butcher is probably the only one who has real interesting potential but he may too fall into the same pit.
Agreed. The writers would sooner kill him than let him win on his own terms or in any way that would make them, a bunch of LA millennials, uncomfortable.
People have to remember that if you're posting 'wow he's just like me, based /ourguy/'', this character exists specifically to mock and disappoint you. He is in the show to be a loser and at some point in a future season to die. It's just why rush it when you can get a few more seasons out of the show and the looming threat of Homelander going nuts.
Such a shame. People eat this shit up. Homelander and Butcher are by far the most popular characters. Audiences are simple creatures, they like good action and stakes overall more than anything. Good characterization is an extra, but with a mass audience such as this a great clash between these two would put butts in seats to watch this show just like s4 of Breaking Bad.
The s3e1 scene with those two CLEARLY signals that something like that is goin to go down. But we all just know here that it won't happen. The subversion will not be something dramatically sound that follows character logic and ups the stakes it's probably going to be some preachy bullshit that ends up disappointing fans more than anything. And even if it doesn't disappoint, it will probably ene up being forgotten.
The worst case will, yes, them stringing this crap out for four more seasons to make $$$ and suddenly have everything of consequence happen in the finale.
I could think of not a more gigantic waste of potential between Butcher and Homelander's psychological deterioration set up in this season alone, than to just waste four more fucking seasons with corporate drama, cheap / dated satirization, Boys sup-fighting subplots that will ultimately be forgotten, and relationship drama just to have all that come to ahead in the 11th hour and fizze out.
Last season was largely a waste of time, right now is probably it for them to actually do something big and give a real sense of dramatic direction otherwise the show will probably be cast aside and forgotten for its 15 minutes of fame
Homelander verbalizing that that's what he wants is what makes me think he will not get it.
That would take commitment, you can't exactly have your funny haha american satire and commentary show that reddit eats up if you, yu know, scorch america to the ground. or at least straight up have homelander take over. it would turn into a completely different show that would require the writers to take it seriously. most likely it's gonna go down like in the comics, homelander will snap, try to take over, fail and be killed and then butcher will try to kill his friends too and then himself because he is self-destructive. this show doesn't have the balls to do anything like that.
If they bring in the Compound V pollution element and have Butcher pursue his ultimate solution he could legitimately become one of the best villains on TV
I doubt it though since its Amazon
I don't know if they can really do that with how the world is in the show, its my biggest issues with the show, there is less supes because they are more controlled with the compound V and each baby was picked instead of the pollution being a thing that causes random cases of supes, and I can't remember if there is many international supes in the show, love sausage shows up but only has a gag reference, supes in the show have been around just as long as in the comic but they feel like there impact on the world has only mattered for decades, though I could be wrong since its been a while since I watched the show.
So whats this gays weakness then? Im not watching this shit.
His desire for attention
in the show we don't know yet, but there has to be something. Just like good Superman needs kryptonite to be interesting, bad Superman likewise needs a weakness to function as a character in a dramatic story.
The writers will presumably pull some deus ex machina out of their ass when the time finally comes to kill Homelander. In the comics it was Black Noir, in the show it will be his son or some plot device.
>Just like good Superman needs kryptonite to be interesting,
Wat?
Fucking smoothbrain
The most kino evil Superman has ever been and he was just pretending.
I guess I'm a dumb normie because Superman is boring as fuck. You have to make up supremely gay comic book shit for him to be evenly or outmatched. Evil Superman is always more interesting.
Look at /toon/ it never goes away
>and only dumb normies think Superman is a boring character
lol, fuck off neckebard, superman is shit
How many "Super hero is le evil" movies are we going to get.
Literally all you have to do make Superman interesting again is to model him after the old Fleischer cartoons.
>Strong enough to be exciting
>Still vulnerable enough that thugs armed with the "right kind" of weapons pose a threat.
I thought Henry was great as superman, man of steel was kino.
Apart from The Boys and Invincible, what other evil supermen are there?
Marvel has a gazillion of them, and half of them are different versions of Hyperion.
Brightburn
Injustice Superman
Justice Lord Superman
Red Son Superman
Ultraman
Brainwashed Superman in BvS and JL
Irredeemable
They're also making this one into a movie. And fucking Jay-z of all people is producing it. It's gonna be so shit.
>They're also making this one into a movie. And fucking Jay-z of all people is producing it. It's gonna be so shit.
Jesus Christ, the comic was already badly executed enough. How does this even fit into 2 hours? The plotline goes on for months/years in universe.
It's simple-they'll just do what The Boys did and rewrite every major character to be very, very different to what they were like in the comics.
Jesus from The New Testament
Give us an evil batman story where superman has to stop him
>laser beams Batman
>movie over in less than a minute
So basically Lex Luthor vs. Superman?
The problem is they have dragged the ass out of this one.
I miss good old comics.
For me the worst part about new comics isn't even the social pandering or the pushing of (popular character). It's how shit the escalation is. The writers want to tell you this new character stronger than ever before but they don't want to draw the kind of trippy cosmic bullshit that Kirby or Starlin did back in the day. They just draw some evil fanfiction Batman slamming a planet into a salamander goddess' face AND go BRO SEE THAT SHIT THAT WAS A MULTIVERSE LEVEL ATTACK FUCK NOTHING LIKE THIS HAS EVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE even though we've had shit like the Spectre and Dr. Fate interfering with the creation of the universe.
When will tv show trope end? I’m getting tired of being strung along
I'm only in s2 but. I thought stormfront didn't look right for what she's supposed to be...
Sure enough I checked the early life.
When the newly made AI turns rogue trope does.
Capeshit gays, stop shitting up my board; fuck all of you.
SAGE
he's not even evil. he's just a regular guy with too much power. this is what happens when any one of us get super powers and stakes are actually real. it's not like he has super human intellect. he's just a fucking dude with super man powers. any one of us would just use it to fuck whomever we wanted or get whatever we demanded. he at the very least does nice shit every once in a while. you ever meet an actor irl before? most of them are huge assholes. it's the same thing.
Everything you just described is the textbook definition of evil. Even villains are capable of acts of goodness. Just look at any famous person.
>Even villains are capable of acts of goodness.
notice how you didn't say "evil people" and instead use villains. that's because not all villains are evil. they are just antagonists in whatever story they're being written in.
literally a guy with too much power and no opposition. to say that he wasn't a product of his environment is to not fucking understand anything about him.
>Idi Amin isn't evil bro, he just has too much power
When they make him black
I agree. Nihilistic superman Dr. Manhattan was a better take.
People complaining about tropes today would have never survived the 90s. We had to deal with it then, and now so do you.
BOTH