Considering how fucked everything else, people didn't know how good they had it >mindless Snyderslop >nice atmosphere >great soundtrack >beautiful and sexy girls doing action sequences and dancing in lingerie
You fuckers have all the fault of the current state of films
He's unironically a stunted manchild, it's easier to understand why his movies are crap when you consider he has the brain power of a 15-year old.
Granted, I too find explosions and sexy women exciting but he just doesn't have the ability to make it into a good 90-120 minute movie.
Some nice trailers though.
He's unironically a stunted manchild, it's easier to understand why his movies are crap when you consider he has the brain power of a 15-year old.
Granted, I too find explosions and sexy women exciting but he just doesn't have the ability to make it into a good 90-120 minute movie.
Some nice trailers though.
and in that he is uwe boll with a bigger budget
6 months ago
Anonymous
naw man, as basic as snyder is, he still can frame a shot and direct actors, uwe boll can't do neither.
Sure but at least Michael Bay has the decency to have better people than him write his scripts. Sucker Punch is the result of giving Snyder free reign.
And people are still waiting eagerly for his next movie that he wrote, Rebel Moon.
Truth. He interpreted Watchmen like a 15 year old would interpret it. The only things he understood and liked were the snappy one-liners, the pretty shots and the cool costumes. He completely missed all of the context , subtext and themes of the book. He couldn't even get the fucking smiley badge right even though it's one of the most blatantly obvious pieces of symbolism in the thing. He's a very superficial guy, the definition of style over substance.
>He completely missed all of the context , subtext and themes of the book.
Name them.
6 months ago
Anonymous
He didn't understand the smiley
He didn't understand the Comedian's joke and by extension the pink squid
He didn't understand Ozymandias' logic
He didn't understand the transformation of Rorschach
He didn't understand how the story is ultimately about fate and the means with which we attempt to control it, and the grey areas of morality which run parallel to those means in times of conflict
To name a few
6 months ago
Anonymous
He understood everything you listed.
6 months ago
Anonymous
No he didn't. He didn't understood the importance of the alien squid either.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Fuck the alien squid, you nit-picking homosexual.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>missing the point of the climax of the entire story is nitpicking
6 months ago
Anonymous
cant cover everything in books
gotta pick and choose what to cover for 2 hour movies and he did a better job than any other director would have done apart from maybe Villeneuve, then again, it is hard to beat a 10/10 unfiltered kino like the watchmen movie was
6 months ago
Anonymous
>He didn't understood
I thought it was the snyder fans who were supposed to be ESL?
6 months ago
Anonymous
another snyderbro can't take blatantly true criticism about their hack daddy; surprise, surprise.
6 months ago
Anonymous
See
>He didn't understand how the story is ultimately about fate and the means with which we attempt to control it, and the grey areas of morality which run parallel to those means in times of conflict
This was 100% in the movie, as it was one thing I took away from the movie and I never read or saw anythng else watchmen related, then or now
. Everything that anon listed is present in the movie. It is like the dumb complaint that Zack Snyder presented the characters as cool whereas the comic present the characters as pathetic. This is such a dumb complaint from nit-picking homosexuals. The characters are present as cool and pathetic in equal measure in both the comic and the movie. You've Rorschach scaring and cleaning the floor with the cops in both, while also being a fucking ugly weirdo in both.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>He didn't understand how the story is ultimately about fate and the means with which we attempt to control it, and the grey areas of morality which run parallel to those means in times of conflict
This was 100% in the movie, as it was one thing I took away from the movie and I never read or saw anythng else watchmen related, then or now
6 months ago
Anonymous
That idiot just want to complain. Everything he listed is present in the movie.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It was in the movie by accident because it's in the book and because it's one of the core themes. It would be impossible not to include it. Doesn't mean Snyder actually got it, because he misses key elements attached to it, like the clock face smiley.
>missing the point of the climax of the entire story is nitpicking
Exactly. If you don't get the squid, you don't get the joke.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It was in the movie by accident because it's in the book and because it's one of the core themes. It would be impossible not to include it. Doesn't mean Snyder actually got it
Dude, what are you even saying. How can something be present in the movie if the director doesn't understand it. Movies aren't made in a way where you can accidentally do something other than an actor improvising or something happening while shooting that the director likes so much that he keeps it. Even then the director keep that material in the final cut by design.
You just want to cry about Zack Snyder being a dumb jock as if he was that kid that pulled your underwear back in highschool.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Snyder would have to actively gut the entire movie to remove the fate/destiny themes from it. It applies to every plot thread and every character. He didn't write Watchmen. The fact that it's in the movie doesn't mean he grasped the meaning of it, as evidenced by the fact that plenty of associated subtext was omitted on his watch, and also the fact that he spends almost all of the movie's runtime replicating gags, one-liners, and pretty iconic shots verbatim, without much else. Also Snyder's like half my size lol. I've got nothing against the guy, he seems cool and he cuts a genuinely hype trailer, but his filmmaking talents are mediocre at best, and Alan Moore's brand of socio-political commentary/philosophy is absolutely not his forte.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>You just want to cry about Zack Snyder being a dumb jock as if he was that kid that pulled your underwear back in highschool.
I've always felt this was the source of the seethe Snyder elicits from redditor types. They see him as an outsider encroaching on their territory and want to gatekeep him out of their precious nerd spaces. Pretty sad and pathetic stuff.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The clock symbolism is in the movie. Next time pay attention to what you're watching.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It was in the movie by accident
Ah so now it WAS in the movie, but by accident.
Interesting.
6 months ago
Anonymous
didn't say it wasn't bro
6 months ago
Anonymous
>muh reddit mortality >muh fake and gay lovecraftian squidderino >muh rorschach can't be sympathetic >muh heckin smiley
Congrats, you're somehow lower than the average Snyder pajeet
6 months ago
Anonymous
those things would have objectively improved the movie tho. a grade a asshole like book rorscach getting disgusted at ozzy highlights the gravity of his 5d plan on a level that some vaguely violent vigilante movie version simply could not. but i do understand that hollywood is a business first and foremost and some concessions have to be made
6 months ago
Anonymous
>some vaguely violent vigilante movie version
Of course you're one of those idiots that think the movie made Rorschach too cool.
6 months ago
Anonymous
no i don' t think he's cool at all just a neutered version of the book rorsch
I mean i didnt read the comic books because im not a nerd (or a homosexual) but the movie was really good, def in my top 50 all time favourite movies
6 months ago
Anonymous
The book's full of great inventions and moments, and a lot of them are carried over faithfully. If I'd never read the book I'd probably like the movie too. But I have read the book which has everything the movie does and a whole lot more, plus it doesn't clumsily streamline everything it's trying to say for idiots, by an idiot who didn't know what the fuck he was reading in the first place, but thought he liked it anyway. Great trailers though.
6 months ago
Anonymous
These posters were pretty good too, if anything.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don’t think you understand how Hollywood works, pleb.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Silk Spectre is so hot.. i masturbated to that one scene of her in the movie when i was younger
6 months ago
Anonymous
Wait...you're telling me...that the Hollywood adaptation of a book has to cut things out and simplify things for the medium and to appeal to a wider audience???????
WTFFFF?????? IM GOING INSAAAAAAAAANEEEEEE SAME ME WATCHMAAAAAAAAAAN
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Sacrificing artistic integrity to pander to pajeets is LE GOOD
Rakeesh outs himself
6 months ago
Anonymous
People have been doing it since the beginning of Hollywood you retard.
If people adapted books exactly how they are written then movies would be 10 or more hours long.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Artistic integrity =/= movie length dumbie
6 months ago
Anonymous
That's objectively incorrect because the fault of the movie is that it's pretty much an overstuffed one for one adaptation of the book that somehow completely misses the nuances and themes of the story.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>completely misses the nuances and themes of the story.
But it doesn't. That's just you being a nitpicking homosexual. Every time you're asked to talk about the nuances and themes you back-track and say dumb shit like it is still there but the director somehow couldn't understand it still.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I spent 12 months reading graphic novels attempting to get into them buying practically all of the highest rated ones. I can confirm the only two worth reading even as a not homosexual are Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns. After that there's only a few honourable mentions like Batman Year One or The Uncanny X-Men. Would genuinely recommend reading Watchmen though, it's great and easily surpasses absolutely everything in its medium.
>he didn't get the smiley badge right
God I love the novel but some of you book people are absolutely insufferable. Just because it doesn't look EXACTLY like the fucking clock hand doesn't mean he "didn't get it" ... it looks like a real blood drop because it IS AN ADAPTATION OF THE GRAPHIC NOVEL JESUS CHRIST
The movie isn't perfect... maybe not even great... but it's really fucking solid. Especially from a studio. There's shit I would change but it is very faithful to the main concepts of the book.
6 months ago
Anonymous
why is it that Snyderfags just absolutely crumple like a house of cards when you insult their senpai
Show some dignity ffs
6 months ago
Anonymous
Holy kek are you fucking retarded? YOU don't understand the point of the pin do you?
Learn to visual language.
Niggas needing dialogue or voice overs to understand what is going on is literally what is killing cinema.
What is shown, how it is shown, why it is shown should be enough of its own to tell a story. You just need to engage with the film.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>What is shown, how it is shown, why it is shown should be enough of its own to tell a story
How can you type this out but also not know/understand the difference between style and substance?
Is this trolling? I rate 8/8, nuanced as fuck and you've gotten me hook, line, and sinker.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I know very well the difference, but as i said sometimes style can be substance. You can tell a lot about a character just by how it is dressed and presented. No matter how cool the character looks or behave.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>as i said sometimes style can be substance
Style IS substance.
>Style IS substance
Good morning, sir!
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, you're a moron.
6 months ago
Anonymous
2/8, your earlier trolling had more effort put into it.
how funny. I was just thinking of this film after a recent thread in Cinemaphile about VanHudg bait posting.
The movie had some memorable action sequences but still sucked because it tried too hard to be deeper than what it was. Snyder should've just gone all in on the stupid action and not have that weird world-in-a-world plot shit.
The movie is unironically about MK Ultra and how its techniques are still used to this day by the entertainment industry to create sex slaves.
You've to understand about the history about the MK Ultra and some of its programs to fully get what the movie is going for, though i think the movie does it job well enough that you can get the general plot without much knowledge about mind programs.
Funnily enough, I've literally just watched this tonight. The Chinese chick looked good in the kinky military uniform, but the film itself was absolute fucking dogshit. I genuinely don't know how Hack Snyder doesn't die of embarrassment writing this garbage.
Oh we all got the fucking movie, dum dum. It's the most basic story ever. It's just bad. Snyder apologists always pull this "GUESS YOU DIDN'T GET IT HUH?" bullcrap to justify his movies being terrible.
Dude, c'mon.
The action scenes are her dissociation from the rape she is suffering. You can see it when she is called to fuck the three mobsters and in her fantasy they're three giant samurais. The rape not being shown and instead being imagined as this great battle is to show that's how she views it and copes with it. So it does matter.
The opening scene is literally the most important scene of the movie.
The narrator isn't Baby Doll but Sweet Pea, Baby Doll life is presented as a stage play (that stage play is played later by Sweet Pea in the Asylum), and both the "old man" and "little girl" are both mentioned as potential guardians angels.
The Samurai that the girls later slay, bleed light, which gives reference to how the light bulb shattered when Baby Doll accidentally shot her sister.
The Steampunk Zombies that the girls later slay, they bleed steam, which gives reference to how the steam came out of the pipe when the bullet hit the pipe.
The Bunny mech with a pink bunny painted on it, that Amber later rides, which gives reference to the scene when Babydoll is kissing her sister goodnight moments before her step-father tries to attack her, and her sister has a very similar pink bunny on the bed next to her.
It’s incredibly revealing that the film opens with a stage because we are the audience. We watch Babydoll’s story unfold while Sweet Pea is telling a voiceover about guardian angels. Babydoll arrives to Lennox House Asylum at the same moment that Sweet Pea says, “We can deny our angels don’t exist, convince ourselves they can’t be real. But they show up anyway. At strange places, and at strange times. They can speak through any character we can imagine, they’ll shout through demons if they have to: daring us, challenging us to fight.”
As if that’s not obvious enough, right before Babydoll’s lobotomy, we hear Sweet Pea shout, “Stop!” We cut to a stage. Sweet Pea is wearing a wig reminiscent to Babydoll’s bleach blonde hair. She’s practicing another scene with Madame Gorski. The opening scene was Sweet Pea acting out her past trauma in her mind, except she imagined Babydoll in her place. There’s even an earlier parallel between the two when there’s separate scenes of the both of them sitting on a bed with their backs to the audience.
They’re the same person, except Babydoll is what Sweet Pea aspires to be. Babydoll comes to her in a form of a guardian angel to help her escape—she’s motivated, determined, nothing seems to scare her. These are qualities that Sweet Pea has to work to achieve. She’s going to get the lobotomy regardless, but right when it happens she disassociates one last time so she can achieve that paradise. That disassociation is the result of the entire movie.
It’s incredibly revealing that the film opens with a stage because we are the audience. We watch Babydoll’s story unfold while Sweet Pea is telling a voiceover about guardian angels. Babydoll arrives to Lennox House Asylum at the same moment that Sweet Pea says, “We can deny our angels don’t exist, convince ourselves they can’t be real. But they show up anyway. At strange places, and at strange times. They can speak through any character we can imagine, they’ll shout through demons if they have to: daring us, challenging us to fight.”
As if that’s not obvious enough, right before Babydoll’s lobotomy, we hear Sweet Pea shout, “Stop!” We cut to a stage. Sweet Pea is wearing a wig reminiscent to Babydoll’s bleach blonde hair. She’s practicing another scene with Madame Gorski. The opening scene was Sweet Pea acting out her past trauma in her mind, except she imagined Babydoll in her place. There’s even an earlier parallel between the two when there’s separate scenes of the both of them sitting on a bed with their backs to the audience.
They’re the same person, except Babydoll is what Sweet Pea aspires to be. Babydoll comes to her in a form of a guardian angel to help her escape—she’s motivated, determined, nothing seems to scare her. These are qualities that Sweet Pea has to work to achieve. She’s going to get the lobotomy regardless, but right when it happens she disassociates one last time so she can achieve that paradise. That disassociation is the result of the entire movie.
Now, what's the profile of the person who'd hate a movie like this?
Jamie Chung had a 10-second role as a nameless hostess at Connor's wedding in Succession season 4, which I thought was really a decline in her career, but the other actresses in Sucker Punch have all declined as much or worse
>Jamie Chung had a 10-second role as a nameless hostess at Connor's wedding in Succession season 4, which I thought was really a decline in her career,
Isn't Kieran Culkin her borther in law?
Now i will be entering into the actual truth behind to why this movie was made and is so hated by the mainstream media. The movie is all about the Monarch mind control technique
The movie does come across as confusing because there is one important fact about this movie that is not known to most viewers that makes the movie (slightly more) cohesive and coherent: Sucker Punch is about trauma-based mind control. It tells the story of a victim of Monarch Programming (more specifically Beta or Kitten programming) as she becomes increasingly dissociative. The movie takes place in the slave’s psyche, where dissociation is a defense mechanism to escape the unbearable trauma of abuse. The deep dark secrets of Monarch mind control are never truly presented on screen yet they are implied in meanings and symbols throughout the movie.
Sucker Punch provides a taste of the confusion lived by actual MK slaves as the film subjects its viewers to some of the same mind twists: Illusion, deceit, reversal, and doublespeak. As the movie advances, the line between reality and fiction becomes increasingly blurry and messages become mixed up. At face value, the movie can be perceived as being about the empowerment of women, but the mind control symbolism of the movie indicates that it is actually about the exact opposite. Our hero Babydoll is looking for “freedom” but, in the end, “freedom” is definitely not what she thought it would be.
The movie takes place during the 1950-60s (despite glaring anachronisms), a period during which actual MK-Ultra experiments were known to be taking place. The main protagonist of Sucker Punch is a twenty-year-old girl known only as Babydoll. Her name strongly suggests mind control: “baby dolls” do not control their movements or environments. Babydoll’s background and road to mind control mirror the story of many real-life Monarch slaves: an abusive parent caused multiple traumas at a young age, making her predisposed to dissociation. Her “ownership” is then transferred to an institution where the actual programming takes place, under the supervision of specialists (handlers).
The story of Babydoll is indeed the typical story of real-life Monarch slaves, who are often subjected to abuse at a young age. After several years of mistreatment, the ruthless parental figures have then no trouble handing over the children to MK authorities – clearing them of the possible criminal charges they could face for years of abuse.
>“The type of father who is most preferred by the Programmers to offer up their children for programming is the phile. If a father will abuse his own little baby girl, then the Programmers know that the man has no conscience. This father’s involvement in criminal activity (and thereby his vulnerability) can be continually increased. They want men who they believe will not develop any qualms later on in life about what they have done.” >– Fritz Springmeier, The Illuminati Formula to Create a Mind Control Slave
The step-father calls the police and accuses Babydoll of killing her own sister – a crime he committed. She is arrested by the police and immediately drugged. Her ordeal as a Monarch slave begins.
The mental institution in which Babydoll is placed has all of the characteristics of a mind-control programming site. The threat of physical and sexual abuse is constant during the entire movie and several techniques are used to trigger dissociation.
Music is extremely important in the institution (and in actual Monarch mind control) where it is used as a programming tool. Most of the songs heard during the movie have suggestive lyrics which, in the context of mind control, can to trigger dissociation. As Babydoll is taken to her cell, Yoav’s cover of the song “Where is my Mind” is heard. The lyrics describe the feeling of dissociation:
>With your feet in the air and your head on the ground >Try this trick and spin it, yeah >Your head will collapse >But there’s nothing in it >And you’ll ask yourself >Where is my mind... >Where is my mind... >Where is my mind...
In the institution, Baby Doll learns that her step-father paid to subject her to the ultimate form of mind control: a complete lobotomy. The administrator of the mental institution tells the step-father: “Don’t worry, she won’t even remember her name when I’m done with her”. The movie then fast forwards to the scene of the lobotomy.
Right at the moment where the doctor is about to hammer the orbitoclast into Baby Dolls’ brain, dissociation occurs and the viewers are taken to an alternate reality. We are taken to the dissociative, imaginary world created by Baby Doll’s psyche, in which she embodies an alter persona: a Beta Kitten.
In Monarch mind control, there are several types of programming, depending on the use the handlers want to make of the slave. In Sucker Punch, it is obvious that Baby Doll and her friends are subjected to Beta Programming – also known as Kitten programming. The emphasis in the beginning of the movie on her step-father’s abuse is, in Monarch Programming terms, the anchor.
>“All the programming of each & every slave is anchored upon some type of trauma. One of the first fundamental traumas will be watched, filmed, coded & used as an anchor. For instance, the most brutal abuse of a girl by her father will be used as an anchor upon which to build the Beta programming. (…) Extreme psychosis is created within a child trying to deal with the issues created by the incest from the child’s most important figure–their father figure.” >– Ibid.
In Babydoll’s alternate reality, the mental institution becomes a club run by a mobster – who is, in real life, the institution’s administrator. The “mental patients” of the institution are dancers…with extras. This distorted version of reality implies one important thing that is not directly mentioned in the movie: If Babydoll deals in prostitution in her alternate reality, it implies that she is subjected to the same treatment in the mental institution. In actual Monarch programming, repeated and systematic abuse is used to create trauma and dissociation.
In her alternate reality, Babydoll embodies an alternate persona – what is called a Kitten – who are programmed to give favors. The programming removes inhibitions and, as we’ll see, Babydoll will be trained to “let herself go” and become sensual on demand.
It is during the scene of the lobotomy that we first see Babydoll dissociating, turning the sordid operation into an alluring dance routine.
Despite appearances to the contrary, the movie never truly condemns forced prostitution or even mind-control practices. Everything is turned into a fantasy, making the situation cool and attractive. For example, Babydoll’s Kitten alter persona is constantly dressed as a schoolgirl who is brought in by a priest.
In her alternate reality, Babydoll is forced to dance and please clients. Since her alternate world is a product of dissociation, which “sugar-coats” reality to make it bearable, we can deduce that she is forced to do the same actual mental institution, but the movie never actually shows it.
Vanessa Hudgens is a former Disney star, there are numerous links between Disney’s child stars and Monarch programming.
Not unlike other movies on the theme of mind control (see Black Swan), tricky mirror effects and confusing reflections are often used during Sucker Punch to symbolize the blurring of the line between reality and fiction and to give the viewers a small sense of the world of a MK Slave.
So where do the cool action scenes fit in all this disturbing creepy mess? Well, they all happen in Babydoll’s head as a way to escape reality. Each action scene occurs when Babydoll is forced to perform an alluring dance.
Using music as a programming tool, Vera Grosky (the institution’s doctor who becomes the dance instructor in the alternate reality) tells Babydoll to “let everything go”. In other words, she must dissociate. Following Vera’s orders, when the music starts, Babydoll is catapulted into a second level of fantasy world. During the length of the song, the dance turns, inside Babydoll’s head, into an imaginary action scene that vaguely reflects reality. This multiple level of dissociation is Babydoll’s defense mechanism against the cold hard reality: the third level of the action scene means that she is dancing in the second level of the club, which means she is most likely being abused in the first level of the mental institution (I hope this is not too confusing).
During this first dissociative action scene, Babydoll meets the “Wise Man”, the guide who will lead her to “freedom” … and I use that word in quotation marks for a reason. While it may appear that throughout the movie, the Wise Man guides Baby Dolls towards liberty, he knows all along that his help will lead her to the exact opposite – total lobotomy. More on this later.
The second action scene takes place in Germany, during WWI. Once again, Baby Doll is forced to dance. The song she must dance to is extremely meaningful: It is a remake of the classic song White Rabbit by Jefferson Airplane. In the context of mind control, the song’s lyrics take on a profound meaning:
>One pill makes you larger >And one pill makes you small >And the ones that mother gives you >Don’t do anything at all >Go ask Alice >When she’s ten feet tall >And if you go chasing rabbits >And you know you’re going to fall >Tell ’em a hookah smoking caterpillar >Has given you the call >Call Alice >When she was just small
This classic song can be interpreted in several ways but, in the context of this movie, it perfectly fits into the theme of mind control. As seen in previous articles, the movie Alice in Wonderland is used as an actual Monarch programming tool, where the slave is told to “follow the White Rabbit” through the Looking Glass – the Looking Glass equalling dissociation. For this reason, the symbol of the white rabbit became an important symbol of mind control in popular culture.
During the entire movie, Babydoll’s only goal is to “leave this place” and to “be free”. On numerous occasions, the process is referred to as “going to Paradise”. However, like actual Mind Control slaves, the viewers of the movies are confused with deceitful double-speech and inversions – using attractive words to describe horrible realities. In the movie, “Paradise” and “Freedom” do not equal escaping the mental institution, but rather signify complete dissociation from reality. The Wise Man who seems to be guiding Babydoll toward “freedom” actually leads her to the acceptance of her lobotomy as the only way to truly “be free”.
This disturbing ending reflects the even more disturbing reality of Monarch slaves: even if they escape the grips of their handlers, they cannot escape the suffering and the trauma they have been subjected to. Babydoll apparently realizes this fact. So, in the end, instead of escaping the institution with her friend Sweet Pea, Babydoll acts as a true hero and sacrifices herself to free her friend, creating a diversion that allows her friend escape. Babydoll is seized and taken to be lobotomized.
After the doctor performs the lobotomy, he says: >“Did you see the way she looked at me? Just in that last moment. It was like … she wanted me to do it”.
When Sweet Pea boards the bus, she realizes that the bus driver is the Wise Man who guided Babydoll toward her lobotomy. He tells her to get some rest because she has “a long way to go”. Is he leading her to freedom or to a dissociative “paradise”?
Most moviegoers come out of Sucker Punch believing that its a movie about “empowerment”, “women fighting back” and whatever other buzzwords they’re using these days. While some might perceive Babydoll as a strong woman fighting back against the oppression of men, others might conclude that the movie caters to the perversions, turning them into a fantasy. The same double-speak can be attributed to the movie when relating to the theme of mind control. While the main message of the movie appears to be about “fighting for freedom”, a deeper look at the movie reveals that it might be saying the opposite. In the end, Babydoll’s “battle” was not one of rebellion and freedom, but for escape and dissociation. Her “guide” was not an agent of liberation, but a handler who owned the keys to her psyche, guiding her into the fracturing of her personality.
The final words of the movie, said by an off-screen voice, also play on reversals and double-speak. Is it an empowering speech on self-determination or a description of the handler’s complete control of the slave’s psyche? >“Who honors those we love with the very life we live? Who sends monsters to kill us and at the same time sings that we’ll never die? Who teaches us what’s real and how to laugh at lies? Who decides why we live and what we’ll die to defend? Who chains us? And who holds the key that can set us free?”
Through illusion, deceit, and double-speech, the viewers witness a subtle promotion and glorification of the very things the movie apparently goes against. I guess this is why they called the movie Sucker Punch.
This shit is why Sucker Punch was made and why it was so hated by mainstream media. It wasn't just critics bashing a movie. When this movie was released you'd see critics, producers, directors, journalists, and so on actively bashing the movie and trying to downplay it as a movie.
“Trauma-based mind control programming can be defined as systematic torture that blocks the victim’s capacity for conscious processing (through pain, terror, drugs, illusion, sensory deprivation, sensory over-stimulation, oxygen deprivation, cold, heat, spinning, brain stimulation, and often, near-death), and then employs suggestion and/or classical and operant conditioning (consistent with well-established behavioral modification principles) to implant thoughts, directives, and perceptions in the unconscious mind, often in newly-formed trauma-induced dissociated identities, that force the victim to do, feel, think, or perceive things for the purposes of the programmer. The objective is for the victim to follow directives with no conscious awareness, including execution of acts in clear violation of the victim’s moral principles, spiritual convictions, and volition.
Installation of mind control programming relies on the victim’s capacity to dissociate, which permits the creation of new walled-off personalities to “hold” and “hide” programming. Already dissociative children are prime “candidates” for programming”.
Monarch mind control is covertly used by various groups and organizations for various purposes.
Satanic ritual abuse is real people. Do your research on the pedophiles rings and MK Ultra. Most celebrities have been abused to the point that they have alternate personalities that can only be activated by their abuser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrPZ37VojlU
Heres a list of celebrities I know for a fact has been abused.
Justin Timberlake
Britney and Jamie Spears
Ryan Gosling
Reese Witherspoon
Mila Kunis
Drake Bell
I think the movie Sucker Punch is the most blatant and revealing movie about MK Ultra and sexual abuse.
What do Satanism, human trafficking, mind control experiments and child sex abuse have to do with the U.S. government? According to the testimony of experts and survivors, the CIA utilized all of these elements and more for their Top Secret Project Monarch, part of the MK-ULTRA mind control program. For reasons of National Security, dozens if not hundreds of people, many of them children, were allegedly subjected to unimaginable rape, torture, and bloody satanic rituals, with the aim of fracturing the human mind through trauma. This created multiple personalities that could then be programmed to perform specific tasks. Many of the purported victims say they were used to satisfy the sexual urges of the rich and powerful, even U.S. presidents. For these purposes, the CIA is said to have sought help from intergenerational cults, as well as child pornography and snuff film networks.
Don't believe me? Search for Process Church of the Final Judgment.
The Dark Occultists who run the entertainment industry utilize fashion as a means of occult communication to others ‘in the know’, indicating through symbolism, the individuals they have under their control as literal ‘sex slaves’. Animal Print clothing is employed for this method of communication as it symbolizes the uninhibited or “wild” instincts brought out in the slave via Project Monarch’s Beta or “Sex Kitten” Programming; and when triggered will perform any action (or sex act) required by the handler.
This form of mind-control essentially destroys the ‘sacred feminine‘ within the female victim, turning them into nothing more than a piece of meat to be used and abused by the handler, at any given time. Women however, are not the only gender who suffer from this form of programming, as many men who have undergone Monarch Programming signify Beta Programming via the animal print clothing they wear.
If you are a parent of young children or teenagers who are considering a career in the entertainment industry, become educated via occult symbolism and keep your children as far away from Hollywood or the entertainment industry as possible. Monarch Programming is destroying the human race one person at a time, the children need to be protected and the best method of doing so is through education and knowledge of these horrendous activities and ultimately non-support to the industries who are perpetrating these crimes against Humanity.
Shit film. Great pussy.
OP Smells like cool ranch.
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Considering how fucked everything else, people didn't know how good they had it
>mindless Snyderslop
>nice atmosphere
>great soundtrack
>beautiful and sexy girls doing action sequences and dancing in lingerie
You fuckers have all the fault of the current state of films
besides, the best cover of Where Is My Mind ever.
Never seen it but I love this poster.
Say what you will about Snyder but the son of a bitch sure does know how to promote movies
He's unironically a stunted manchild, it's easier to understand why his movies are crap when you consider he has the brain power of a 15-year old.
Granted, I too find explosions and sexy women exciting but he just doesn't have the ability to make it into a good 90-120 minute movie.
Some nice trailers though.
He's a kid bumping action figures together turned hollywood director.
and in that he is uwe boll with a bigger budget
naw man, as basic as snyder is, he still can frame a shot and direct actors, uwe boll can't do neither.
That’s Michael Bay too
filtered
Dude, I love Bay’s movies too.
>ah yes, dildos. kino
Sure but at least Michael Bay has the decency to have better people than him write his scripts. Sucker Punch is the result of giving Snyder free reign.
And people are still waiting eagerly for his next movie that he wrote, Rebel Moon.
Bay gets a free pass for Transformers kino
But his movies aren't crap at all.
Truth. He interpreted Watchmen like a 15 year old would interpret it. The only things he understood and liked were the snappy one-liners, the pretty shots and the cool costumes. He completely missed all of the context , subtext and themes of the book. He couldn't even get the fucking smiley badge right even though it's one of the most blatantly obvious pieces of symbolism in the thing. He's a very superficial guy, the definition of style over substance.
>He completely missed all of the context , subtext and themes of the book.
Name them.
He didn't understand the smiley
He didn't understand the Comedian's joke and by extension the pink squid
He didn't understand Ozymandias' logic
He didn't understand the transformation of Rorschach
He didn't understand how the story is ultimately about fate and the means with which we attempt to control it, and the grey areas of morality which run parallel to those means in times of conflict
To name a few
He understood everything you listed.
No he didn't. He didn't understood the importance of the alien squid either.
Fuck the alien squid, you nit-picking homosexual.
>missing the point of the climax of the entire story is nitpicking
cant cover everything in books
gotta pick and choose what to cover for 2 hour movies and he did a better job than any other director would have done apart from maybe Villeneuve, then again, it is hard to beat a 10/10 unfiltered kino like the watchmen movie was
>He didn't understood
I thought it was the snyder fans who were supposed to be ESL?
another snyderbro can't take blatantly true criticism about their hack daddy; surprise, surprise.
See
. Everything that anon listed is present in the movie. It is like the dumb complaint that Zack Snyder presented the characters as cool whereas the comic present the characters as pathetic. This is such a dumb complaint from nit-picking homosexuals. The characters are present as cool and pathetic in equal measure in both the comic and the movie. You've Rorschach scaring and cleaning the floor with the cops in both, while also being a fucking ugly weirdo in both.
>He didn't understand how the story is ultimately about fate and the means with which we attempt to control it, and the grey areas of morality which run parallel to those means in times of conflict
This was 100% in the movie, as it was one thing I took away from the movie and I never read or saw anythng else watchmen related, then or now
That idiot just want to complain. Everything he listed is present in the movie.
It was in the movie by accident because it's in the book and because it's one of the core themes. It would be impossible not to include it. Doesn't mean Snyder actually got it, because he misses key elements attached to it, like the clock face smiley.
Exactly. If you don't get the squid, you don't get the joke.
>It was in the movie by accident because it's in the book and because it's one of the core themes. It would be impossible not to include it. Doesn't mean Snyder actually got it
Dude, what are you even saying. How can something be present in the movie if the director doesn't understand it. Movies aren't made in a way where you can accidentally do something other than an actor improvising or something happening while shooting that the director likes so much that he keeps it. Even then the director keep that material in the final cut by design.
You just want to cry about Zack Snyder being a dumb jock as if he was that kid that pulled your underwear back in highschool.
Snyder would have to actively gut the entire movie to remove the fate/destiny themes from it. It applies to every plot thread and every character. He didn't write Watchmen. The fact that it's in the movie doesn't mean he grasped the meaning of it, as evidenced by the fact that plenty of associated subtext was omitted on his watch, and also the fact that he spends almost all of the movie's runtime replicating gags, one-liners, and pretty iconic shots verbatim, without much else. Also Snyder's like half my size lol. I've got nothing against the guy, he seems cool and he cuts a genuinely hype trailer, but his filmmaking talents are mediocre at best, and Alan Moore's brand of socio-political commentary/philosophy is absolutely not his forte.
>You just want to cry about Zack Snyder being a dumb jock as if he was that kid that pulled your underwear back in highschool.
I've always felt this was the source of the seethe Snyder elicits from redditor types. They see him as an outsider encroaching on their territory and want to gatekeep him out of their precious nerd spaces. Pretty sad and pathetic stuff.
The clock symbolism is in the movie. Next time pay attention to what you're watching.
>It was in the movie by accident
Ah so now it WAS in the movie, but by accident.
Interesting.
didn't say it wasn't bro
>muh reddit mortality
>muh fake and gay lovecraftian squidderino
>muh rorschach can't be sympathetic
>muh heckin smiley
Congrats, you're somehow lower than the average Snyder pajeet
those things would have objectively improved the movie tho. a grade a asshole like book rorscach getting disgusted at ozzy highlights the gravity of his 5d plan on a level that some vaguely violent vigilante movie version simply could not. but i do understand that hollywood is a business first and foremost and some concessions have to be made
>some vaguely violent vigilante movie version
Of course you're one of those idiots that think the movie made Rorschach too cool.
no i don' t think he's cool at all just a neutered version of the book rorsch
I mean i didnt read the comic books because im not a nerd (or a homosexual) but the movie was really good, def in my top 50 all time favourite movies
The book's full of great inventions and moments, and a lot of them are carried over faithfully. If I'd never read the book I'd probably like the movie too. But I have read the book which has everything the movie does and a whole lot more, plus it doesn't clumsily streamline everything it's trying to say for idiots, by an idiot who didn't know what the fuck he was reading in the first place, but thought he liked it anyway. Great trailers though.
These posters were pretty good too, if anything.
I don’t think you understand how Hollywood works, pleb.
Silk Spectre is so hot.. i masturbated to that one scene of her in the movie when i was younger
Wait...you're telling me...that the Hollywood adaptation of a book has to cut things out and simplify things for the medium and to appeal to a wider audience???????
WTFFFF?????? IM GOING INSAAAAAAAAANEEEEEE SAME ME WATCHMAAAAAAAAAAN
>Sacrificing artistic integrity to pander to pajeets is LE GOOD
Rakeesh outs himself
People have been doing it since the beginning of Hollywood you retard.
If people adapted books exactly how they are written then movies would be 10 or more hours long.
Artistic integrity =/= movie length dumbie
That's objectively incorrect because the fault of the movie is that it's pretty much an overstuffed one for one adaptation of the book that somehow completely misses the nuances and themes of the story.
>completely misses the nuances and themes of the story.
But it doesn't. That's just you being a nitpicking homosexual. Every time you're asked to talk about the nuances and themes you back-track and say dumb shit like it is still there but the director somehow couldn't understand it still.
I spent 12 months reading graphic novels attempting to get into them buying practically all of the highest rated ones. I can confirm the only two worth reading even as a not homosexual are Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns. After that there's only a few honourable mentions like Batman Year One or The Uncanny X-Men. Would genuinely recommend reading Watchmen though, it's great and easily surpasses absolutely everything in its medium.
>he didn't get the smiley badge right
God I love the novel but some of you book people are absolutely insufferable. Just because it doesn't look EXACTLY like the fucking clock hand doesn't mean he "didn't get it" ... it looks like a real blood drop because it IS AN ADAPTATION OF THE GRAPHIC NOVEL JESUS CHRIST
The movie isn't perfect... maybe not even great... but it's really fucking solid. Especially from a studio. There's shit I would change but it is very faithful to the main concepts of the book.
why is it that Snyderfags just absolutely crumple like a house of cards when you insult their senpai
Show some dignity ffs
Holy kek are you fucking retarded? YOU don't understand the point of the pin do you?
This thread smells like fucking curry
Watchmen is pretty good. Especially the long version with the pirate story embedded
>mad over a comic book
Kek seethe harder you manchild
This motherfucker probably thinks the series was a high point in television.
>katana
>1911
holy kino
>literally a japanese schoolgirl
I Kneel
I jerked off to these posters often as a teenager
I think this was my favorite
my gf at the time saw it with her sister and said i couldn't go because she didn't want me seeing sexy girls.
sweet Jesus. I'd break my pelvis slamming that
Zack Snyder really has something against big tits and fat ass
mommy
So great film?
I need to rewatch that movie. I might do a little snyder marathon, bar the DC films since they're still fresh in my memory
disappointing shit movie
Reminder that Snyder still wants to release a directors cut of this movie that nobody has seen.
One of the worst movies ever made.
Not even in the top 10 worst movies.
I dunno man, it's really, really bad. A prime example of "Style over Substance" if there ever was one.
Style IS substance.
Indian hands typed this post.
Learn to visual language.
Niggas needing dialogue or voice overs to understand what is going on is literally what is killing cinema.
What is shown, how it is shown, why it is shown should be enough of its own to tell a story. You just need to engage with the film.
>What is shown, how it is shown, why it is shown should be enough of its own to tell a story
How can you type this out but also not know/understand the difference between style and substance?
Is this trolling? I rate 8/8, nuanced as fuck and you've gotten me hook, line, and sinker.
I know very well the difference, but as i said sometimes style can be substance. You can tell a lot about a character just by how it is dressed and presented. No matter how cool the character looks or behave.
>as i said sometimes style can be substance
>Style IS substance
Good morning, sir!
Yeah, you're a moron.
2/8, your earlier trolling had more effort put into it.
agreed. prime fapping material tho.
oof imagine just sticking your dick in that party
>not one black, ugly or fatty
wow it really was a different time...
mfs will see this and be like "eww, that movie sucked!" lol. lmao
I’ll just take Hudgens and Chung. The rest can stay.
It is, I brought a chick to it and we didn't care about the plot and were over each other isntead.
Thanks for that one, Snyder.
This
All the women in that movie are flat and ugly. Shit taste you have OP.
why does she look like a litte girl in women clothes
> CRINGE
KYS
This movie is so bad, even the surprise ending sucks
Sucker Punch 2: The Rise of The Wall
Ah man
If you ever needed evidence that Asian women age better than all the others, here you go
That girl from lemony snicket looks good too
True, she looks natural and fresh-faced, I like that
Emily still a qt
when they meet up like this, are they looking at each other and accepting they've all hit the wall? or do they just not acknowledge it
they know, all women know, they just cope with 'oh girl you're fantastic' and other inane shit
Holy shit Emily is still looking cute as fuck. The Asian one looks good too.
The other ones jobbed to the wall hard style
But they don’t look that bad?
Except for Hudgens
She’s still hot
Amber won
great sex appeal and she looks incrediblely fuckable in that outfit
how funny. I was just thinking of this film after a recent thread in Cinemaphile about VanHudg bait posting.
The movie had some memorable action sequences but still sucked because it tried too hard to be deeper than what it was. Snyder should've just gone all in on the stupid action and not have that weird world-in-a-world plot shit.
Gangs of New York
oh noooooo sucker punch girls lost and now they're reduces to sexual slavery for their entire youth
oh noooooo that sucks!
Emily still a qt. I liked class of 07.
it must be rough to have peaked at 14
I need to rewatch this movie
I just rewatched it a couple weeks ago. it holds up surprisingly well
it unironically is
>it unironically is
Doesn't seem that tough, Americans voted one in as president.
it must be rough to be a pedo
All women do.
What is it with zoomies either dressing like whores, or raiding their great-grandma's closets?
>zoomies
She's a millennial.
The movie is unironically about MK Ultra and how its techniques are still used to this day by the entertainment industry to create sex slaves.
You've to understand about the history about the MK Ultra and some of its programs to fully get what the movie is going for, though i think the movie does it job well enough that you can get the general plot without much knowledge about mind programs.
I'm inclined to agree with you, but
>You've to understand
completely obliterates your credibility
if they're turning girls like this into sex slaves how do I get one?
Funnily enough, I've literally just watched this tonight. The Chinese chick looked good in the kinky military uniform, but the film itself was absolute fucking dogshit. I genuinely don't know how Hack Snyder doesn't die of embarrassment writing this garbage.
>all these niggas that were filtered
Oh we all got the fucking movie, dum dum. It's the most basic story ever. It's just bad. Snyder apologists always pull this "GUESS YOU DIDN'T GET IT HUH?" bullcrap to justify his movies being terrible.
What's the movie about then, smart pants?
Can't you fucking read?
I want to see you use you big boy words to explain the plot and the characters.
To Snyder Brainlets any word is a big boy word.
>wait is sweet pea baby doll?
Wtf, who would think this?
>"This was never my story. It's yours."
They hint at it pretty heavily throughout the entire film.
ah, so it's basically mulholland dr.
its fucking shit
Says the homosexual.
its retarded. nothing matters if its in her head. none of the action is real, everything is imaginary
>its retarded. nothing matters if its in her head. none of the action is real, everything is imaginary
Dude, c'mon.
The action scenes are her dissociation from the rape she is suffering. You can see it when she is called to fuck the three mobsters and in her fantasy they're three giant samurais. The rape not being shown and instead being imagined as this great battle is to show that's how she views it and copes with it. So it does matter.
>Nazis
Whoever made this never watched it and probably got their opinion from a fucking youtuber.
Zack Snyder has never made a film worth watching.
I'd take Browning over Hudgens.
MY WIFE ROCKET
The opening scene is literally the most important scene of the movie.
The narrator isn't Baby Doll but Sweet Pea, Baby Doll life is presented as a stage play (that stage play is played later by Sweet Pea in the Asylum), and both the "old man" and "little girl" are both mentioned as potential guardians angels.
The Samurai that the girls later slay, bleed light, which gives reference to how the light bulb shattered when Baby Doll accidentally shot her sister.
The Steampunk Zombies that the girls later slay, they bleed steam, which gives reference to how the steam came out of the pipe when the bullet hit the pipe.
The Bunny mech with a pink bunny painted on it, that Amber later rides, which gives reference to the scene when Babydoll is kissing her sister goodnight moments before her step-father tries to attack her, and her sister has a very similar pink bunny on the bed next to her.
Sucker Punch is rape-kino.
I'd rape this cast, if you get what I'm saying
It’s incredibly revealing that the film opens with a stage because we are the audience. We watch Babydoll’s story unfold while Sweet Pea is telling a voiceover about guardian angels. Babydoll arrives to Lennox House Asylum at the same moment that Sweet Pea says, “We can deny our angels don’t exist, convince ourselves they can’t be real. But they show up anyway. At strange places, and at strange times. They can speak through any character we can imagine, they’ll shout through demons if they have to: daring us, challenging us to fight.”
As if that’s not obvious enough, right before Babydoll’s lobotomy, we hear Sweet Pea shout, “Stop!” We cut to a stage. Sweet Pea is wearing a wig reminiscent to Babydoll’s bleach blonde hair. She’s practicing another scene with Madame Gorski. The opening scene was Sweet Pea acting out her past trauma in her mind, except she imagined Babydoll in her place. There’s even an earlier parallel between the two when there’s separate scenes of the both of them sitting on a bed with their backs to the audience.
They’re the same person, except Babydoll is what Sweet Pea aspires to be. Babydoll comes to her in a form of a guardian angel to help her escape—she’s motivated, determined, nothing seems to scare her. These are qualities that Sweet Pea has to work to achieve. She’s going to get the lobotomy regardless, but right when it happens she disassociates one last time so she can achieve that paradise. That disassociation is the result of the entire movie.
Now, what's the profile of the person who'd hate a movie like this?
*forgot pic
Jamie Chung had a 10-second role as a nameless hostess at Connor's wedding in Succession season 4, which I thought was really a decline in her career, but the other actresses in Sucker Punch have all declined as much or worse
Jamie Chung is in all the upcoming Zack Snyder's projects, similar to Jenna Malone.
>Jamie Chung had a 10-second role as a nameless hostess at Connor's wedding in Succession season 4, which I thought was really a decline in her career,
Isn't Kieran Culkin her borther in law?
No? I think you're mixing up her with Brenda Song, who is Macaulay Culkin's wife.
Holy shit. Does that make me a racist?
From a certain angle, and with certain facial expressions, they do look somewhat similar. But if you're posting on Cinemaphile you're a racist anyway
Jena Malone was in the Hunger Games movies, which were plenty successful
But they're not the leads, they're supporting cast and I think fairly low on the billing unless I'm mistaken
Honestly, star power and celebrity is dying, as long as youre working you're in a good spot
So the whole thing was a dream even her sister leaving the asylum? Made no sense.
Now i will be entering into the actual truth behind to why this movie was made and is so hated by the mainstream media. The movie is all about the Monarch mind control technique
The movie does come across as confusing because there is one important fact about this movie that is not known to most viewers that makes the movie (slightly more) cohesive and coherent: Sucker Punch is about trauma-based mind control. It tells the story of a victim of Monarch Programming (more specifically Beta or Kitten programming) as she becomes increasingly dissociative. The movie takes place in the slave’s psyche, where dissociation is a defense mechanism to escape the unbearable trauma of abuse. The deep dark secrets of Monarch mind control are never truly presented on screen yet they are implied in meanings and symbols throughout the movie.
Sucker Punch provides a taste of the confusion lived by actual MK slaves as the film subjects its viewers to some of the same mind twists: Illusion, deceit, reversal, and doublespeak. As the movie advances, the line between reality and fiction becomes increasingly blurry and messages become mixed up. At face value, the movie can be perceived as being about the empowerment of women, but the mind control symbolism of the movie indicates that it is actually about the exact opposite. Our hero Babydoll is looking for “freedom” but, in the end, “freedom” is definitely not what she thought it would be.
The movie takes place during the 1950-60s (despite glaring anachronisms), a period during which actual MK-Ultra experiments were known to be taking place. The main protagonist of Sucker Punch is a twenty-year-old girl known only as Babydoll. Her name strongly suggests mind control: “baby dolls” do not control their movements or environments. Babydoll’s background and road to mind control mirror the story of many real-life Monarch slaves: an abusive parent caused multiple traumas at a young age, making her predisposed to dissociation. Her “ownership” is then transferred to an institution where the actual programming takes place, under the supervision of specialists (handlers).
The story of Babydoll is indeed the typical story of real-life Monarch slaves, who are often subjected to abuse at a young age. After several years of mistreatment, the ruthless parental figures have then no trouble handing over the children to MK authorities – clearing them of the possible criminal charges they could face for years of abuse.
>“The type of father who is most preferred by the Programmers to offer up their children for programming is the phile. If a father will abuse his own little baby girl, then the Programmers know that the man has no conscience. This father’s involvement in criminal activity (and thereby his vulnerability) can be continually increased. They want men who they believe will not develop any qualms later on in life about what they have done.”
>– Fritz Springmeier, The Illuminati Formula to Create a Mind Control Slave
The step-father calls the police and accuses Babydoll of killing her own sister – a crime he committed. She is arrested by the police and immediately drugged. Her ordeal as a Monarch slave begins.
The mental institution in which Babydoll is placed has all of the characteristics of a mind-control programming site. The threat of physical and sexual abuse is constant during the entire movie and several techniques are used to trigger dissociation.
Music is extremely important in the institution (and in actual Monarch mind control) where it is used as a programming tool. Most of the songs heard during the movie have suggestive lyrics which, in the context of mind control, can to trigger dissociation. As Babydoll is taken to her cell, Yoav’s cover of the song “Where is my Mind” is heard. The lyrics describe the feeling of dissociation:
>With your feet in the air and your head on the ground
>Try this trick and spin it, yeah
>Your head will collapse
>But there’s nothing in it
>And you’ll ask yourself
>Where is my mind...
>Where is my mind...
>Where is my mind...
In the institution, Baby Doll learns that her step-father paid to subject her to the ultimate form of mind control: a complete lobotomy. The administrator of the mental institution tells the step-father: “Don’t worry, she won’t even remember her name when I’m done with her”. The movie then fast forwards to the scene of the lobotomy.
Right at the moment where the doctor is about to hammer the orbitoclast into Baby Dolls’ brain, dissociation occurs and the viewers are taken to an alternate reality. We are taken to the dissociative, imaginary world created by Baby Doll’s psyche, in which she embodies an alter persona: a Beta Kitten.
In Monarch mind control, there are several types of programming, depending on the use the handlers want to make of the slave. In Sucker Punch, it is obvious that Baby Doll and her friends are subjected to Beta Programming – also known as Kitten programming. The emphasis in the beginning of the movie on her step-father’s abuse is, in Monarch Programming terms, the anchor.
>“All the programming of each & every slave is anchored upon some type of trauma. One of the first fundamental traumas will be watched, filmed, coded & used as an anchor. For instance, the most brutal abuse of a girl by her father will be used as an anchor upon which to build the Beta programming. (…) Extreme psychosis is created within a child trying to deal with the issues created by the incest from the child’s most important figure–their father figure.”
>– Ibid.
In Babydoll’s alternate reality, the mental institution becomes a club run by a mobster – who is, in real life, the institution’s administrator. The “mental patients” of the institution are dancers…with extras. This distorted version of reality implies one important thing that is not directly mentioned in the movie: If Babydoll deals in prostitution in her alternate reality, it implies that she is subjected to the same treatment in the mental institution. In actual Monarch programming, repeated and systematic abuse is used to create trauma and dissociation.
In her alternate reality, Babydoll embodies an alternate persona – what is called a Kitten – who are programmed to give favors. The programming removes inhibitions and, as we’ll see, Babydoll will be trained to “let herself go” and become sensual on demand.
It is during the scene of the lobotomy that we first see Babydoll dissociating, turning the sordid operation into an alluring dance routine.
Despite appearances to the contrary, the movie never truly condemns forced prostitution or even mind-control practices. Everything is turned into a fantasy, making the situation cool and attractive. For example, Babydoll’s Kitten alter persona is constantly dressed as a schoolgirl who is brought in by a priest.
In her alternate reality, Babydoll is forced to dance and please clients. Since her alternate world is a product of dissociation, which “sugar-coats” reality to make it bearable, we can deduce that she is forced to do the same actual mental institution, but the movie never actually shows it.
Vanessa Hudgens is a former Disney star, there are numerous links between Disney’s child stars and Monarch programming.
Not unlike other movies on the theme of mind control (see Black Swan), tricky mirror effects and confusing reflections are often used during Sucker Punch to symbolize the blurring of the line between reality and fiction and to give the viewers a small sense of the world of a MK Slave.
So where do the cool action scenes fit in all this disturbing creepy mess? Well, they all happen in Babydoll’s head as a way to escape reality. Each action scene occurs when Babydoll is forced to perform an alluring dance.
Using music as a programming tool, Vera Grosky (the institution’s doctor who becomes the dance instructor in the alternate reality) tells Babydoll to “let everything go”. In other words, she must dissociate. Following Vera’s orders, when the music starts, Babydoll is catapulted into a second level of fantasy world. During the length of the song, the dance turns, inside Babydoll’s head, into an imaginary action scene that vaguely reflects reality. This multiple level of dissociation is Babydoll’s defense mechanism against the cold hard reality: the third level of the action scene means that she is dancing in the second level of the club, which means she is most likely being abused in the first level of the mental institution (I hope this is not too confusing).
During this first dissociative action scene, Babydoll meets the “Wise Man”, the guide who will lead her to “freedom” … and I use that word in quotation marks for a reason. While it may appear that throughout the movie, the Wise Man guides Baby Dolls towards liberty, he knows all along that his help will lead her to the exact opposite – total lobotomy. More on this later.
The second action scene takes place in Germany, during WWI. Once again, Baby Doll is forced to dance. The song she must dance to is extremely meaningful: It is a remake of the classic song White Rabbit by Jefferson Airplane. In the context of mind control, the song’s lyrics take on a profound meaning:
>One pill makes you larger
>And one pill makes you small
>And the ones that mother gives you
>Don’t do anything at all
>Go ask Alice
>When she’s ten feet tall
>And if you go chasing rabbits
>And you know you’re going to fall
>Tell ’em a hookah smoking caterpillar
>Has given you the call
>Call Alice
>When she was just small
This classic song can be interpreted in several ways but, in the context of this movie, it perfectly fits into the theme of mind control. As seen in previous articles, the movie Alice in Wonderland is used as an actual Monarch programming tool, where the slave is told to “follow the White Rabbit” through the Looking Glass – the Looking Glass equalling dissociation. For this reason, the symbol of the white rabbit became an important symbol of mind control in popular culture.
During the entire movie, Babydoll’s only goal is to “leave this place” and to “be free”. On numerous occasions, the process is referred to as “going to Paradise”. However, like actual Mind Control slaves, the viewers of the movies are confused with deceitful double-speech and inversions – using attractive words to describe horrible realities. In the movie, “Paradise” and “Freedom” do not equal escaping the mental institution, but rather signify complete dissociation from reality. The Wise Man who seems to be guiding Babydoll toward “freedom” actually leads her to the acceptance of her lobotomy as the only way to truly “be free”.
This disturbing ending reflects the even more disturbing reality of Monarch slaves: even if they escape the grips of their handlers, they cannot escape the suffering and the trauma they have been subjected to. Babydoll apparently realizes this fact. So, in the end, instead of escaping the institution with her friend Sweet Pea, Babydoll acts as a true hero and sacrifices herself to free her friend, creating a diversion that allows her friend escape. Babydoll is seized and taken to be lobotomized.
After the doctor performs the lobotomy, he says:
>“Did you see the way she looked at me? Just in that last moment. It was like … she wanted me to do it”.
At least, Babydoll’s sacrifice allowed Sweet Pea to escape the institution and be free, right? Not so sure.
After the escape, Sweet Pea is shown at a bus station about to leave town. When she enters the bus, a boy, who looks oddly familiar, looks at her.
When Sweet Pea boards the bus, she realizes that the bus driver is the Wise Man who guided Babydoll toward her lobotomy. He tells her to get some rest because she has “a long way to go”. Is he leading her to freedom or to a dissociative “paradise”?
Most moviegoers come out of Sucker Punch believing that its a movie about “empowerment”, “women fighting back” and whatever other buzzwords they’re using these days. While some might perceive Babydoll as a strong woman fighting back against the oppression of men, others might conclude that the movie caters to the perversions, turning them into a fantasy. The same double-speak can be attributed to the movie when relating to the theme of mind control. While the main message of the movie appears to be about “fighting for freedom”, a deeper look at the movie reveals that it might be saying the opposite. In the end, Babydoll’s “battle” was not one of rebellion and freedom, but for escape and dissociation. Her “guide” was not an agent of liberation, but a handler who owned the keys to her psyche, guiding her into the fracturing of her personality.
The final words of the movie, said by an off-screen voice, also play on reversals and double-speak. Is it an empowering speech on self-determination or a description of the handler’s complete control of the slave’s psyche?
>“Who honors those we love with the very life we live? Who sends monsters to kill us and at the same time sings that we’ll never die? Who teaches us what’s real and how to laugh at lies? Who decides why we live and what we’ll die to defend? Who chains us? And who holds the key that can set us free?”
Through illusion, deceit, and double-speech, the viewers witness a subtle promotion and glorification of the very things the movie apparently goes against. I guess this is why they called the movie Sucker Punch.
Should I watch the extended or theatrical cut?
This shit is why Sucker Punch was made and why it was so hated by mainstream media. It wasn't just critics bashing a movie. When this movie was released you'd see critics, producers, directors, journalists, and so on actively bashing the movie and trying to downplay it as a movie.
“Trauma-based mind control programming can be defined as systematic torture that blocks the victim’s capacity for conscious processing (through pain, terror, drugs, illusion, sensory deprivation, sensory over-stimulation, oxygen deprivation, cold, heat, spinning, brain stimulation, and often, near-death), and then employs suggestion and/or classical and operant conditioning (consistent with well-established behavioral modification principles) to implant thoughts, directives, and perceptions in the unconscious mind, often in newly-formed trauma-induced dissociated identities, that force the victim to do, feel, think, or perceive things for the purposes of the programmer. The objective is for the victim to follow directives with no conscious awareness, including execution of acts in clear violation of the victim’s moral principles, spiritual convictions, and volition.
Installation of mind control programming relies on the victim’s capacity to dissociate, which permits the creation of new walled-off personalities to “hold” and “hide” programming. Already dissociative children are prime “candidates” for programming”.
Monarch mind control is covertly used by various groups and organizations for various purposes.
Once you see it, you will find it everywhere.
https://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/08/living/confessions-ex-sex-kitten-o/index.html
This isn't just schizo talk. This is real. There's a reason why the media demonized this movie.
Satanic ritual abuse is real people. Do your research on the pedophiles rings and MK Ultra. Most celebrities have been abused to the point that they have alternate personalities that can only be activated by their abuser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrPZ37VojlU
Heres a list of celebrities I know for a fact has been abused.
Justin Timberlake
Britney and Jamie Spears
Ryan Gosling
Reese Witherspoon
Mila Kunis
Drake Bell
I think the movie Sucker Punch is the most blatant and revealing movie about MK Ultra and sexual abuse.
okay who set off the bot
What do Satanism, human trafficking, mind control experiments and child sex abuse have to do with the U.S. government? According to the testimony of experts and survivors, the CIA utilized all of these elements and more for their Top Secret Project Monarch, part of the MK-ULTRA mind control program. For reasons of National Security, dozens if not hundreds of people, many of them children, were allegedly subjected to unimaginable rape, torture, and bloody satanic rituals, with the aim of fracturing the human mind through trauma. This created multiple personalities that could then be programmed to perform specific tasks. Many of the purported victims say they were used to satisfy the sexual urges of the rich and powerful, even U.S. presidents. For these purposes, the CIA is said to have sought help from intergenerational cults, as well as child pornography and snuff film networks.
Don't believe me? Search for Process Church of the Final Judgment.
The Dark Occultists who run the entertainment industry utilize fashion as a means of occult communication to others ‘in the know’, indicating through symbolism, the individuals they have under their control as literal ‘sex slaves’. Animal Print clothing is employed for this method of communication as it symbolizes the uninhibited or “wild” instincts brought out in the slave via Project Monarch’s Beta or “Sex Kitten” Programming; and when triggered will perform any action (or sex act) required by the handler.
This form of mind-control essentially destroys the ‘sacred feminine‘ within the female victim, turning them into nothing more than a piece of meat to be used and abused by the handler, at any given time. Women however, are not the only gender who suffer from this form of programming, as many men who have undergone Monarch Programming signify Beta Programming via the animal print clothing they wear.
If you are a parent of young children or teenagers who are considering a career in the entertainment industry, become educated via occult symbolism and keep your children as far away from Hollywood or the entertainment industry as possible. Monarch Programming is destroying the human race one person at a time, the children need to be protected and the best method of doing so is through education and knowledge of these horrendous activities and ultimately non-support to the industries who are perpetrating these crimes against Humanity.
The only reason MET Gala even exist is so the handlers can parade their sex slaves around to each other.
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I was hoping this thread would be full of Hudgensposting judging from the OP
very disappointed in Cinemaphile
I really meant this
Damn you guys just love overreaching
Sex & Cum
For me, it was when she played Dora.
pure fuck meat
hudgens is hot and you're a troll OP. Snyder is Bay with somehow less subtlety.
Snyder is Bay. Snyder is Bay. Snyder is Bay.
You sound like a homosexual repeating this over and over again.
OKAY Snyder is beneath Bay happy now?
>Snyder is Bay
I don't see the bad thing.