Which was the better speech?

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The bottom one has clunky writing and doesn't even flow well. Don't even care about the message if the prose is poor.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. It's astoundingly amateurish writing.
      The Dark Knight ending is one of the most iconic moments in all of cape movies, while The Batman is already forgotten as a whole.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. It's astoundingly amateurish writing.
      The Dark Knight ending is one of the most iconic moments in all of cape movies, while The Batman is already forgotten as a whole.

      Seriously, I mean wtf even is this.
      > The City is angry, Scarred, Like me.
      > Our scars could destroy us. Even after the physical wounds have healed.
      Like what even is the point of the last sentence? Yeah, no shit we know what you mean when you say scars. It doesn't even have poetic utility there. It's pointless and just fricks up the flow of thd speech.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's really stilted writing, overextending to try and get some message across. I was already cringing at the beginning at lines like "Two years of nights have turned me into a nocturnal animal." Who talks like that? You could tell Reeves was a bad writer from the third Apes movie. It was just an embarrassing disaster full of plot holes and awkward moments.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          The "ready to strike like snakes" was worse. I was transported to the good old days of reading fanfics on fanfiction.net. But it could've been worse. An earlier version of the scene
          > Two years of nights have turned me into a nocturnal animal ... My senses are heightened now..I can
          almost smell them ...

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            fricked up the quote.
            > Two years of nights have turned me into a nocturnal animal ... My senses are heightened now..I can almost smell them ...

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I was transported to the good old days of reading fanfics on fanfiction.net
            This

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >> Our scars could destroy us. Even after the physical wounds have healed.
        I actually laughed in the theater. It's the kind of shit that's so bad that you instantly know pseuds on reddit should be going "uhhh you don't get it, it's MEANT to feel stilted bc uhhh it uhhh reflects Bruce's uhhh"

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.reddit.com/r/batman/comments/t98qmw/the_batman_ending_monologue
          > This is the greatest line of dialogue ever uttered in a live action Batman film. Sums up the character and the message of the movie. Can’t wait for the sequel.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Don't even care about the message if the prose is poor.
      This shit is not talked about enough. It's actually baffling when you compare similar scenes. Look at the "You're not my father" scene from Batman Begins and this. Matt Reeves does it in the most hackneyed and clichéd way possible. It's shocking that these people get paid millions to write this shit.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Snyder movies are literally made for stupid people to feel smarter than they really are, like most mutts

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      None of this is from Snyder, you embarrassing midwit.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Snyder
      Rent free.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The writing in BvS shits on The Batman because it was written by Chris Terrio, an actual writer, unlike hack Reeves.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The second one is dreadful.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's Halloween night, and the crowds are out in force. Heavy rain batters the streets and the people gathered to celebrate. The element of criminality is hidden in the chaos, waiting to pounce like a predatory creature of the night. But so am I. These last few years have molded me into a nocturnal predator. I must be careful when choosing my targets. This city is a big place, and I can't be in two places at once. So now there's a signal, used to call on me. But when the light hits the sky, it's not just a call, but a warning. Fear is a tool. They think I'm hiding in the shadows. No, I am the shadows.

      There, I did a quick rewrite for Reeves.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think this post is great, which is another way of saying that it is very good.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty good anon

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    the batman fricked up that ending, it's way too soon into his story for batman to already think like that, and it's just not written as well as the dark knight speech. Remember, brevity is the soul of wit

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Aesthetically The Batman is much better that Nolan's Batman, and I say that as someone who knows those movies from bottom to top and loves them, but the suit, gadgets, even the city all looked really generic. Actually Begins had a much better aesthetic in that regard, whilst Knight toned it down, too many daylight scenes, too much generic architecture. It looks like Chicago, not gothic, dirty New York. However the writing is way, way ahead of Reeves. Even in Begins which was weaker in that department. I really wish we had something that had the look of The Batman, but the writing and pacing of Nolan's dark knight.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Eh...The Batman isn't all that great looks wise. Burton is still the best in that regard. What hurts The Batman is that too much time is spent in the fricking Iceberg lounge. What's the point of all that world building if so much of the plot happens at a night club and dilapidated building.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I was thinking the same actually, in that yes Burton does have the most aesthetically strong and defined version of Gotham, you could really see that Gotham in the Burton dulogy really defined what a twisted, gothic New York full of broken down industry and eternally towering buildings all cloaked in perpetual night really would look like. But at the same time I feel that it is a little to out there, as with most Burton movies. Whereas The Batman strikes a more balanced approach with realism. It still looks like it could be real, whereas Burton with the curved buildings and sprawling giant factoies and The Warriors style gangs is a lot more artistic and fantastical.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Begins had a good Halloween aesthetic. I don't know why Nolan gave up on it.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I prefer The Batman over The Dark Knight
    the cinematography is better

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know if the bottom one is from Pattinson Batman or Affleck Batman because I haven't seen either of their movies, but the second part of the speech there reads awkwardly. Would probably be better if he didn't spell out that he's not talking about physical scars, seems like that much is already pretty obvious.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pattinson. Affleck is "Men are still good".

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        For a such a reviled movie, it has some pretty good monologues. The 1 percent speech was also good.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Terrio is a good writer.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I like

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's sad isn't it? The dialogue is poetic in many areas but that hardly went into the evaluation of this movie.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It honestly just utterly filtered the 110 IQ journo goobers that had to review it. Theatrical missing 30 minutes of runtime didn't help.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, the actual shocking part is people acting offended that it was trying to be poetic and profound. I remember a critic specifically mocking the opening and the sentiment can be summed up to "lol, why is this capeshit trying to be poetic and shieet?" Like they were offended that it was trying to be more than generic fun.

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    any speech in any movie sounds stupid, people don't talk like that unless they're on some public event and even there people just skim through it and clap

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    TDK by a lightyear. The scars shit is like the magnum opus of Matt Reeves' dorkiness. It's why TDKs ending is still remembered around the world as one of the greatest and most impactful endings in all of cinema while the only people that even bring up reeves' shit are dorks like him on social media that will never get over their inferiority complexes. These people enjoy being dunked on by older brother figures as if they had a fetish for it.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >dorkiness
      Perfect.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why did matt reeves get batman in the first place?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        He is friends with JJ Abrams, WB signed up Abrams to give them ideas for movies and shows and paid him millions upfront, the only thing coming from it all is a batman cartoon WB had to sell to amazon.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >JJ Abrams
          Yuck.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Without irony I prefer James gunn to take care of the dcu than jj Abraham and matt Reeves

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because WB/Geoff Johns basically forced Ben Affleck out of the project and after the Josstice League fiasco he was over it anyways and started drinking heavily again. So WB were desperate to find a director and people dick rode Reeves mediocre ape movies so they went with him.

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Which was the better speech?
    This is like asking which was the better film between Goodfellas and John Travolta's Gotti. TDK has one of the best movie endings of all time. Meanwhile, the Batman's entire third act is dogshit.

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pattinson's monologues were awful. It sounded like those poems you write with refrigerator magnets.

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >meanwhile zack snyder can't even form proper sentences

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Zack Snyder didn't write BvS fricking dipshit

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You don’t get it. Pattinson’s version of the character is literally a moron. That’s why he sounds so stilted, redundant and says little of value.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't wear hockey pants.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >gritty capeshit is better!
    >nooo zoomer gritty capeshit is better
    >nooooo you midwits le underperforming sadboy capeshit is better
    i seriously hope you capeshitters are still teenagers because i can't imagine you lot being adults without hurling my guts

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Post your favorite flicks, So I can laught it.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        i will only if you post hand with timestamp so i know you're not a Hispanic or pajeet

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm 100 IQ but at least I'm white
          Sad.
          t. 100% white anon

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Weren’t you just chimping out over capeshit in general? Why would conversing with him about the subject matter more to you if he was Britbong like yourself, an American or a Swede with good English education?

            The cowardice is amusing. I'd have respected you more if you had actually posted a list even if it was underwhelming.

            Watch how the capeshit swarthoids recoil when discovered. "I've been found out!"

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I didn’t recoil. I asked you a question. You were just criticizing superhero movies in general and now you’re saying you’ll actually entertain a conversation if someone proves they’re white? Why? What do you gain from that other than a headache? Why not just leave the thread and find one that interests you? Answer me you son of a mother prostitute b***h

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Weren’t you just chimping out over capeshit in general? Why would conversing with him about the subject matter more to you if he was Britbong like yourself, an American or a Swede with good English education?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            OK I'll give you an answer. 90% of capeshitters (especially snydergays) you encounter are swarthy indians or sudacas. These subhumans drastically lower board quality by spamming mindless capeshit company wars and shilling eceleb social media accounts. Call them out and they throw hissy fits. By making them post their hand I make them acknowledge their brown skin, which they loathe.

            >you son of a mother prostitute b***h
            you basterd bich bhenchod i frick your mother

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              also meant for

              I didn’t recoil. I asked you a question. You were just criticizing superhero movies in general and now you’re saying you’ll actually entertain a conversation if someone proves they’re white? Why? What do you gain from that other than a headache? Why not just leave the thread and find one that interests you? Answer me you son of a mother prostitute b***h

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >people in India are Indian
              Shocking

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Hello anon, I'm Indian and I can guarantee I have better taste and a better grasp over cinema than you do.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yet you're in a capeshit thread talking with other autists here..what does that say about you?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Capeshit is almost like any other genre. There's good and there's trash. I say almost because the nature of capeshit and the amount of money involved means the ratio of good to trash is pretty bad. Still, TDK is as good as any other action epic(Braveheart, The Matrix, Gladiator, Terminator 2). The only reason I clicked this thread.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                bhak saale, bada aaya kinosseur

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah? why has india never once won an oscar for best foreign language film? name one indian director who has a shred of the talent that fellini or tarkovsky or ozu or scorsese or godard showed.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Easy, M. Night.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous
        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          The cowardice is amusing. I'd have respected you more if you had actually posted a list even if it was underwhelming.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oi, I can’t believe it either! It’s a sad thing innit? These poor buggers would prefer talking about Batman than talking to a bird. Sad state of affairs, o right.

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Feel bad for Pattinson because he’s a good actor, but the writing and the editing were just poor overall. It’s already forgotten. The idea of rewatching that three hour movie does not interest me at all.

    Even in those lines right there:
    >Vengeance won’t change the past.
    Ok
    >mine or anyone else’s.
    Redundant
    >I have to become more.
    Ok
    >People need hope.
    Ok
    >To know someone’s out there for them.
    Redundant and has nothing to do with the first line “vengeance can’t change the past”

    “Vengeance can’t change the past. I have to become more.” Then finish with something like “to show people the future is worth fighting for.”

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >“Vengeance can’t change the past. I have to become more.” Then finish with something like “to show people the future is worth fighting for.”
      That's a decent solution.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The worst thing is that many of the themes that are dealt with here have already been explored in previous films. Hope, fear, being a symbol of justice. All of this made it so much better. Batman Begins

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Batman looked like someone took scenes and themes from other Batman movies and stitched them together. Idk if a movie has ever felt more clunky to me either. The pacing of the final action scene is so bad. The thing that really got me was him electrocuting himself instead of just throwing that Batarang. Silly in the context of the character.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The thing that really got me was him electrocuting himself instead of just throwing that Batarang
          Tbf, it's not a batarang. It's just a knife. This Batman doesn't have Batarangs.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Tbf, it's not a batarang. It's just a knife. This Batman doesn't have Batarangs
            Ah, well if that is the case that's even worse.
            No Batarangs and no Batman pocket knife.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's cuz The Batman is literally a moron. They took "the world's greatest detective" and turned him into a complete idiot. He didn't solve any of the Fiddler's stuff properly and was 2 steps behind the entire time.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            He also had to be told what happened to his parents when all the clues were there. He had to just look into more than not at all

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            This was my biggest problem with the movie. Batman was a complete moron. That whole “Rata Alada" segment was ridiculous. Even Riddler was like "Huh? You haven't figured it out?". Strange way to characterize Batman when this was supposed to be the most detective Batman movie ever made.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              12-year-old Bruce Wayne in "Gotham" was a better detective than The moron.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I could’ve sworn I saw critics and moviegoers alike praising The Batman for bringing Bruce back to his detective roots. I haven’t seen the movie myself yet but was that just easily impressed idiots that would’ve been happy with any “detective scenes” they threw in?

          • 10 months ago
            TheBatmanFan

            I disagree. He's quite smart, and it falls in line with The Long Halloween well.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >He's quite smart

              He literally doesn't figure out the Riddler's plan at any point and has to have important stuff explained to him. He's an idiot.,

              • 10 months ago
                TheBatmanFan

                What does he have explained to him?
                Batman never figures out who the killer is in Long Halloween. Year Two Batman sometimes fails.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                The Long Halloween is a terrible comic, and so is Dark Victory and Hush.
                Jeph Loeb is a terrible comic writer. Every comic of his is a dumb thriller/mystery that serves as nothing but an excuse to throw several of the known villains as mere cameos so fanboys can be giddy about their appearances, and then an asspull ending that doesn't make any sense where the main killer/villain is some random guy.

              • 10 months ago
                TheBatmanFan

                I think it's a great comic, so do most Batman fans, so I guess it comes down to us disagreeing on that.
                Anyway, what did Batman need told to him?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Most Batman fans are fricking idiots that enjoy terrible. Actually, most comic readers and fricking idiots.

              • 10 months ago
                TheBatmanFan

                I disagree, but okay.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Jeph Loeb? SHIT. Tom King? Scott Snyder? SHIT. Chuck Dixon? SHIT.

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    One is written as a true resolution to the story at play, the other is a diary entry by a dork trying to fit his incongruous ideas together in the most hamfisted way possible.

    Dark Knight may have its faults, but it sure as shit isn’t the ending writing/denouement.

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    People still remember the ending of TDK. Nobody cares about The Batman anymore.

  20. 10 months ago
    TheBatmanFan

    The bottom, absolutely.
    Fits the character perfectly, is beautifully structured, and a perfect ending to a masterful character arc.
    TDK's is a bit too pretentious sadly, and too redundant, whereas Reeves takes each new line to extrapolate on an idea.
    TDK is great, but The Batman is perfect.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why does his armor look like he have breasts?

      • 10 months ago
        TheBatmanFan

        Hey! You're back.
        Remember when you got BTFO'd?
        That was a good thread.

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pattinson Batman is such a pussy.

    • 10 months ago
      TheBatmanFan

      I disagree. He was pretty damn tough.
      Man took a bomb to the face without damage. Man walked away from a crash perfectly fine.

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    the emo-batman quote sounds better but I didn't get to see in the movie because it had me fallen asleep at that point

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