did i watch the same movie as these guys? Did they miss the part where he's a total butthole to his gf and regrets it and the fact his father is horrifed of what he's become
>his father is horrifed of what he's become
Is that how you interpreted the ending? It seemed to me like it was his father finally understanding just how good of a drummer his son was.
He ends up playing in some shitty club in the poor part of downtown for minimum wage and 99.999999% of the population can't tell the difference between him and some kid that learned to play drums a month ago. He gave up his family and the rest of his life for this.
doesn't matter. the .00000001% who can tell are the only people he cares about impressing. he clearly has no regard for the opinions of people who can't contemplate what he's doing, encapsulated by the >isn't music subjective? >haha...no
exchange early in the film.
financial success is a goal of this era, but you have to remember from about 1990 until the era this film was released there was a strong cultural belief that money without a purpose led to ennui and a question of "what it all was for". then the maliciousness of social media and digital marketing squashed that quaint notion like a bug.
Despite the climactic ending, it's pretty obvious that the character of Andrew is going on to have a sad, bitter existence. Do people leave that movie pumping their fists and think he's 'won' or succeded? Dude is a college dropout working at a sandwich shop with massive psychologic and emotional issues. Best case scenario for him is ending up in a math rock band and not killing himself before the age of 40. Wait, what, he's literally me!
He just nailed a showcase for Bluenote and other jazz scouts. He's clearly going to be a session great of which there are like a handful in the world oh wait I just took the "who cares about drums?" b8 oh well whatever here's Vinnie.
Literally nobody cares if you can bring the goods. Its like hot chicks can get away with anything. If you can perform when the light goes red, you've got a job for life.
nobody cares if you can bring the goods
Actually they do, you moron. You're not a rockstar, you're a drummer in a big band performance, taking it over to indulge yourself just makes you look like an unprofessional butthole and would likely get him blackballed by any would be talent scouts that saw that.
Consistency pays the bills. He turned a showcase into a drumoff and his inbox was packed the next day. Even his redemption aided his mythos. These guys know who Fletcher is. They know what he did, its surely not the first time. He's just that cat who can bring it, and now has a little infamy. He'll ride that for years so long as he can keep above board.
Plus he can parlay that into mainstream greatness. Again, Vinnie...
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He's not special. There are plenty of other good jazz drummers out there, who aren't unprofessional showoffs.
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Anonymous
There are employed drummers. The greats are all showoffs.
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Anonymous
They're also one in a million.
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Anonymous
Whomever they dubbed in for Miles was no joke. Good enough to be the stand-in player for an academy award winning motion picture. I'm sure that doesn't hurt the bottom line.
That's the whole point. Fletcher wouldn't have this butthole in his conservatory if he didn't think he had the potential, and he's more of a final boss to drag out the potential. By the end, even a total uninitiate like Reiser knew that his son was something truly special, and the whole dinner table conversation now makes total sense.
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Anonymous
I'll bet the guy they got to dub in for him isn't a spotlight hogging jackass disrupting a band performance.
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Anonymous
He wouldn't have the job if he didn't bring it from time to time.
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Anonymous
Perhaps if you wanted to be the solo star of the show, you shouldn't have become a jazz drummer.
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Anonymous
>posts Sting, a rockstar
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Anonymous
After a comment about parlaying your jazz success towards mainstream, yes. Which part is too difficult 4U?
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Anonymous
Sting isn't particularly great at any one thing and is known for being incredibly easy going and care free.
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Anonymous
>Sting isn't particularly great at any one thing
As a songwriter, I could put down an 8 hour video essay against that one, but you're not entirely off.
The point isn't how Sting or Gabriel or any of the other guys that employ jazz session greats behave, the point is that mainstream session work is the gift that keeps on giving.
Manu
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Sting is great because of his flexibility and how he can combine different mediums/styles. Someone like Fletcher ends up as a replaceable cog for someone like him.
Where exactly is this "excellence"? He did a nice solo and synced with a sadist teacher for the first time. He also took over a band performance to indulge himself, the exact opposite of what some talent scout that might have been present wants to see from a big band drummer.
You wouldn't get it. The pursuit of perfection is divine precisely because it's unattainable, by showing the fruits of his labor and his hyper competence he is proving to himself and others that the school band is beneath him. He underwent pressure because he wanted to and came out stronger because of it. The 'tangible' benefits are secondary because meeting lofty expectations will make you a legend not a sycophant under the boot of someone else.
I love how so many of these morons that love the movie see themselves in Andrew and Fletcher yet none of them have achieved greatness in anything and if we're being honest they haven't even tried. It's pure narcissism and delusion.
I don't know who that is but whoever he is, I am unwilling to acknowledge that he stands in for the motivations of taste of the broader public. people want to experience greatness even if they themselves are not capable.
apollo 11 only sent 2 men to the moon, but their greatness was appreciated by billions (and enabled by thousands)
I wasn't really talking about how the average person interprets the movie. I'm primarily talking about grifters like Rex Ermoon, Lex Fridman, Dave Rubin, Matt Walsh, Destiny that are attempting to use the movie to elevate themselves in an extremely shallow and narcissistic manner.
Just watch his interview with john carmack. It's clear as day that lex is a massive pseud. >When developing the pixel pipeline for the latest occulus system, we had to be very careful about maximizing the fragment shader throughput for multi viewports. This is something that conventional game engines with deferred shading pipelines tend to struggle with >WHICH IS BETTER? JAVASCRIPT OR JAVA?
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Anonymous
Anytime Lex talks about programming he brings up some incredibly stupid shit in JavaScript or Python. People that program in dynamically typed languages should honestly just shut the frick up.
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I'm 99% sure he either doesn't program at all, or hasn't programmed more than copy-pasting some python together 10 years ago.
>someone who will never respect him out of spite
he literally said "good job" at the end, but the kid doesn't hear him because he no longer needs his approval
He broke up with a girlfriend when he was barely 20 and you're already assuming he's gonna be a lonely loser for the rest of his life.
If anything, he learned to stand up for himself and not let people's bullshit to get through him. The reason the other student killed himself was because he never put the teacher in his place, which this guy did. He might have learned the lessons that the other kid didn't so he could have a chance.
I think that people see Andrew becoming bitter and defeated because of a question of principle. If he was willing to destroy something that he deeply cared about just to fulfill his obsession towards greatness, it's no wonder that he will continue sacrificing things that are important to him for the rest of his life, only to gain the notion of being "amazing" at something. Believe me, I was a classical guitargay for some time, and the pressure that my teacher put over me to become great ended up ruining my love for guitar for quite some time, I even thought my life ended because I was so obsessed with passing the test to enter the conservatory, but nowadays I'm a much chiller and relaxed person, and I play only electric guitar because I found out it is what I really want to do. People like Andrew remind me a lot of myself in the past, and his teacher is literally like my teacher in a lot of ways.
I'd say he didn't learn to stand up for himself, because in the end he was always trying to prove his self worth to others instead of being confident on himself. The other guy that killed himself probably felt like such a failure and was so traumatized that he saw that his life had ended when things didn't go like he wanted. As I've said, I can relate to this movie on a personal level, I even cried when writing all of this. It hurts too much seeing yourself so clearly in the mirror.
She has hardly even in the movie. Would've been bad writing if she wasn't written off. I think the writers forgot about her and threw this scene in last minute to explain her disappearance
>Chazelle completed the script in 2013, drawing upon his experiences in a "very competitive" jazz band in high school. >very competitive jazz band >high school jazz band
What a loser lmao
t. guitarist in HS jazz band
did i watch the same movie as these guys? Did they miss the part where he's a total butthole to his gf and regrets it and the fact his father is horrifed of what he's become
>his father is horrifed of what he's become
Is that how you interpreted the ending? It seemed to me like it was his father finally understanding just how good of a drummer his son was.
Anon, I have bad news. You are legally moronic.
He ends up playing in some shitty club in the poor part of downtown for minimum wage and 99.999999% of the population can't tell the difference between him and some kid that learned to play drums a month ago. He gave up his family and the rest of his life for this.
doesn't matter. the .00000001% who can tell are the only people he cares about impressing. he clearly has no regard for the opinions of people who can't contemplate what he's doing, encapsulated by the
>isn't music subjective?
>haha...no
exchange early in the film.
financial success is a goal of this era, but you have to remember from about 1990 until the era this film was released there was a strong cultural belief that money without a purpose led to ennui and a question of "what it all was for". then the maliciousness of social media and digital marketing squashed that quaint notion like a bug.
The father witnesses Mephisto claiming his son's soul.
Wtf do you mean bro, he got real good at drums, it's a happy ending
Despite the climactic ending, it's pretty obvious that the character of Andrew is going on to have a sad, bitter existence. Do people leave that movie pumping their fists and think he's 'won' or succeded? Dude is a college dropout working at a sandwich shop with massive psychologic and emotional issues. Best case scenario for him is ending up in a math rock band and not killing himself before the age of 40. Wait, what, he's literally me!
He just nailed a showcase for Bluenote and other jazz scouts. He's clearly going to be a session great of which there are like a handful in the world oh wait I just took the "who cares about drums?" b8 oh well whatever here's Vinnie.
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He fricked up the performance and disobeyed his conductor.
Literally nobody cares if you can bring the goods. Its like hot chicks can get away with anything. If you can perform when the light goes red, you've got a job for life.
nobody cares if you can bring the goods
Actually they do, you moron. You're not a rockstar, you're a drummer in a big band performance, taking it over to indulge yourself just makes you look like an unprofessional butthole and would likely get him blackballed by any would be talent scouts that saw that.
Consistency pays the bills. He turned a showcase into a drumoff and his inbox was packed the next day. Even his redemption aided his mythos. These guys know who Fletcher is. They know what he did, its surely not the first time. He's just that cat who can bring it, and now has a little infamy. He'll ride that for years so long as he can keep above board.
Plus he can parlay that into mainstream greatness. Again, Vinnie...
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He's not special. There are plenty of other good jazz drummers out there, who aren't unprofessional showoffs.
There are employed drummers. The greats are all showoffs.
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They're also one in a million.
Whomever they dubbed in for Miles was no joke. Good enough to be the stand-in player for an academy award winning motion picture. I'm sure that doesn't hurt the bottom line.
That's the whole point. Fletcher wouldn't have this butthole in his conservatory if he didn't think he had the potential, and he's more of a final boss to drag out the potential. By the end, even a total uninitiate like Reiser knew that his son was something truly special, and the whole dinner table conversation now makes total sense.
I'll bet the guy they got to dub in for him isn't a spotlight hogging jackass disrupting a band performance.
He wouldn't have the job if he didn't bring it from time to time.
Perhaps if you wanted to be the solo star of the show, you shouldn't have become a jazz drummer.
>posts Sting, a rockstar
After a comment about parlaying your jazz success towards mainstream, yes. Which part is too difficult 4U?
Sting isn't particularly great at any one thing and is known for being incredibly easy going and care free.
>Sting isn't particularly great at any one thing
As a songwriter, I could put down an 8 hour video essay against that one, but you're not entirely off.
The point isn't how Sting or Gabriel or any of the other guys that employ jazz session greats behave, the point is that mainstream session work is the gift that keeps on giving.
Manu
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Sting is great because of his flexibility and how he can combine different mediums/styles. Someone like Fletcher ends up as a replaceable cog for someone like him.
His life when tumbling down and almost died in acrash but its okay guys he made the Bully teacher (who made a student kill himself) praise him!!!!
Where exactly is this "excellence"? He did a nice solo and synced with a sadist teacher for the first time. He also took over a band performance to indulge himself, the exact opposite of what some talent scout that might have been present wants to see from a big band drummer.
You wouldn't get it. The pursuit of perfection is divine precisely because it's unattainable, by showing the fruits of his labor and his hyper competence he is proving to himself and others that the school band is beneath him. He underwent pressure because he wanted to and came out stronger because of it. The 'tangible' benefits are secondary because meeting lofty expectations will make you a legend not a sycophant under the boot of someone else.
I love how so many of these morons that love the movie see themselves in Andrew and Fletcher yet none of them have achieved greatness in anything and if we're being honest they haven't even tried. It's pure narcissism and delusion.
I've tried. there are a lot of forces to overcome these days. quit making assumptions.
but even if you're right, what's wrong with people hoping for greatness for others? or is that too illiberal and anti-consumerist?
Lex Fridman isn't genuinely hoping for greatness for others ffs.
I don't know who that is but whoever he is, I am unwilling to acknowledge that he stands in for the motivations of taste of the broader public. people want to experience greatness even if they themselves are not capable.
apollo 11 only sent 2 men to the moon, but their greatness was appreciated by billions (and enabled by thousands)
I wasn't really talking about how the average person interprets the movie. I'm primarily talking about grifters like Rex Ermoon, Lex Fridman, Dave Rubin, Matt Walsh, Destiny that are attempting to use the movie to elevate themselves in an extremely shallow and narcissistic manner.
Lex Fridman is a fricking moron.
Just watch his interview with john carmack. It's clear as day that lex is a massive pseud.
>When developing the pixel pipeline for the latest occulus system, we had to be very careful about maximizing the fragment shader throughput for multi viewports. This is something that conventional game engines with deferred shading pipelines tend to struggle with
>WHICH IS BETTER? JAVASCRIPT OR JAVA?
Anytime Lex talks about programming he brings up some incredibly stupid shit in JavaScript or Python. People that program in dynamically typed languages should honestly just shut the frick up.
I'm 99% sure he either doesn't program at all, or hasn't programmed more than copy-pasting some python together 10 years ago.
lex became the top podcaster in the world through his own hardwork and determination
moronic people watch a film where a fool chases the approval of someone who will never respect him out of spite
anti-human post I hope you die next time you get on a plane.
>someone who will never respect him out of spite
he literally said "good job" at the end, but the kid doesn't hear him because he no longer needs his approval
Almost as inspirational as my favorite movie La La Land, which taught me that women only exist to stifle your dreams.
Imagine wanting to be a great drummer. The only people who give a shit about great drummers are drummers.
I did the same thing so I could learn English
Youtube hustle culture is so hilariously cringey.
Watching late 2000s/early 2010s movies is so funny. It's so optimistic about the future and catering to kids born in the late 80s and early 90s.
These movies got SO many things wrong about the future. They thought Facebook was the future. Lmao.
Whiplash is not remotely optimistic. No part of it is optimistic.
He broke up with a girlfriend when he was barely 20 and you're already assuming he's gonna be a lonely loser for the rest of his life.
If anything, he learned to stand up for himself and not let people's bullshit to get through him. The reason the other student killed himself was because he never put the teacher in his place, which this guy did. He might have learned the lessons that the other kid didn't so he could have a chance.
I think that people see Andrew becoming bitter and defeated because of a question of principle. If he was willing to destroy something that he deeply cared about just to fulfill his obsession towards greatness, it's no wonder that he will continue sacrificing things that are important to him for the rest of his life, only to gain the notion of being "amazing" at something. Believe me, I was a classical guitargay for some time, and the pressure that my teacher put over me to become great ended up ruining my love for guitar for quite some time, I even thought my life ended because I was so obsessed with passing the test to enter the conservatory, but nowadays I'm a much chiller and relaxed person, and I play only electric guitar because I found out it is what I really want to do. People like Andrew remind me a lot of myself in the past, and his teacher is literally like my teacher in a lot of ways.
I'd say he didn't learn to stand up for himself, because in the end he was always trying to prove his self worth to others instead of being confident on himself. The other guy that killed himself probably felt like such a failure and was so traumatized that he saw that his life had ended when things didn't go like he wanted. As I've said, I can relate to this movie on a personal level, I even cried when writing all of this. It hurts too much seeing yourself so clearly in the mirror.
>I even cried when writing all of this
lol gay
Women really do hold you back.
from posting on Cinemaphile?
She has hardly even in the movie. Would've been bad writing if she wasn't written off. I think the writers forgot about her and threw this scene in last minute to explain her disappearance
>Chazelle completed the script in 2013, drawing upon his experiences in a "very competitive" jazz band in high school.
>very competitive jazz band
>high school jazz band
What a loser lmao
t. guitarist in HS jazz band
Is this envy?
yeah I wish I thought to dramatize my ordinary experiences into profit kinda jelly ngl
all these angry people who never once tried in their lives are so mad. Just laugh it off like I did you rubes.