Why do people say this? I literally just watched 300 last night, usually it watch it two or three times a year because of the sheer masculinity in it, and I don't get any gay vibes. Aragorn deadass kissed another man and nobody calls him a gay, but you hold your countryman and battle brother's hand while arrows rain down on you, suddenly you're a gay? Explain.
Not sure what point you're making, but since they're both based off the same historical event and Frank Miller himself said he was inspired by the movie, there is a connection.
The point is the source material literally doesn't matter.
If I record myself saying "a bunch of Italians do stuff" and give you the Godfather, which film has greater depth and expression? The second. And does the source material matter whatsoever? No.
Not just men. This is my mother's favorite movie. There was a period of time in the mid 2000's where she probably watched the whole thing 20+ times. We had cable and dad's. dvds to choose from.
It's just a lot of pure emotions. Loyalty to the emperor that gets murdered and having his family killed as part of the cover up. Then going from being a general to a lowly gladiator and building up loyalty with his fellow men plotting revenge. It's masculinity kino.
Idk maybe there's something genuinely inspiring about having a main character who's a strong virtuous man who gets dealt the shittiest hand possible then turns it around completely by continuing to be strong and virtuous rather than folding against seemingly unbeatable odds over and over again then killing the homosexual tyrant who ruined his life with his final breath... with prime Ridley Scott writing, directing, cinematography, soundtrack... nah why would men enjoy that?
>gets dealt the shittiest hand possible
Yeah it's so terrible being the protege of a wise emperor and having thousands of men at your command and being rich and famous OH NO BOO FRICKING HOO frick off moronic nepo baby shill.
lol his family gets murdered and he gets sold into slavery and is forced to kill or be killed for sport... but you're saying that his suffering is invalid because he was successful before that... Absolute loser mindset, I bet you unironically say "eat the rich"
Its the ultimate movie about having your cake and eating it too as a man. He gets to be loyal to authority while confronting the establishment. He gets to be loyal to his wife while fricking the side chick. He gets to be the father of his cuckson without having to live to put in the work. He gets to be the hero of his friends without having to sacrifice for them. He gets to be both the revolutionary hero of the republic and the nameless commoner.
Doing any of these for real demands sacrifice, he doesn't have to make any in the movie for real.
Great post, it's unrealistic bullshit that only promotes being subservient to "le alpha" pieces of shit IRL because it convinces you that they're virtuous while they're the worst liars and cheaters and c**ts.
I like this movie but I hate the desaturated look it started with historical kino. I much prefer classics like Ben Hur, The Fall of the Roman Empire (which this is a remake of) or Spartacus.
It depicts the stoic man in suffering and the noble sacrifice, complete with an immediate recognition of the sacrifice as noble by an in-film audience, namely the coliseum attendees.
>complete with an immediate recognition of the sacrifice as noble by an in-film audience, namely the coliseum attendees.
That feels a bit too convenient
>That feels a bit too convenient
It is, but it's also part of the fantasy, that your sacrifice will be unambiguously well received and immediately tested and demonstrated to be true.
The reality of sacrifices, that they're often messy and given to an unappreciative population, isn't nearly as cathartic to men.
A military man in the grecian time period is stoic. A man who must bear horrors ans false imprisonment for the furthering of an abstract ideal is stoic. A man who's lost everything he values yet doesn't succumb to despair is stoic.
Why do you claim he isn't?
>What does "stoic" mean to you moron
Stoicism as laid out by Epictetus and practiced by Aurelius, which among other things means keeping your passions and emotions in check, continually acknowledging the shortness of your own life, and placing value in ideals beyond your own self. I dont expect him to be a philosopher on the stoa, but he practices the common military application.
Not raging like a tardbaby when someone slights you and plotting an incel revenge plot out of feefee asspayne?
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I think we can agree that someone murdering your child and raping and murdering your wife while burning down your land and selling you into distant slavery is more than just a slight.
But even then, if it were simple revenge, the film would have ended at the halfway point when Maximus had a chance to kill Commodus post-combat. The final outcome isn't about revenge, it's about justice and attempting to preserve the high ideals of Aurelius. Transcendental values.
But you knew all that already, anon.
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Anonymous
>more than just a slight.
Doesn't matter you're stoic it's out of your control just shrug it off.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stop being a woman and explain what your problem is.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
His problem is he's a b***h, likely because he's insufficiently stoic. Oh well.
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Anonymous
Already did, Maximus is a whiny loser who lets emotions control his entire life.
It's about relationships between men but without the weird homoeroticism of 300. Also the the MC is allowed to cry.
Why do people say this? I literally just watched 300 last night, usually it watch it two or three times a year because of the sheer masculinity in it, and I don't get any gay vibes. Aragorn deadass kissed another man and nobody calls him a gay, but you hold your countryman and battle brother's hand while arrows rain down on you, suddenly you're a gay? Explain.
It's the ahistroical speedo armor and obsession with male fitness. Also the fact that spartans practiced pederasty IRL.
Gladiator could've been made in 1960
300 is an original masterpiece
300 is the better movie
>300 is an original masterpiece
It's based off a comic book which was based off a film from the 60s.
>"A bunch of Italians do things"
>[The Godfather movies]
See the difference? The mode of expression matters. Like, a lot.
Congratulations. You now understand the medium of film.
Not sure what point you're making, but since they're both based off the same historical event and Frank Miller himself said he was inspired by the movie, there is a connection.
The point is the source material literally doesn't matter.
If I record myself saying "a bunch of Italians do stuff" and give you the Godfather, which film has greater depth and expression? The second. And does the source material matter whatsoever? No.
they would have had a charismatic lead in the 60s unlike gladiator or 300
kys homosexual
Not just men. This is my mother's favorite movie. There was a period of time in the mid 2000's where she probably watched the whole thing 20+ times. We had cable and dad's. dvds to choose from.
It's just a lot of pure emotions. Loyalty to the emperor that gets murdered and having his family killed as part of the cover up. Then going from being a general to a lowly gladiator and building up loyalty with his fellow men plotting revenge. It's masculinity kino.
Death smiles at us all... all a man can do is smile back
Was Commodus even a bad emperor in the movie? (Not talking about him being a good person; which he obviously wasn't)
No, thus why the senate (which is portrayed as largely virtuous and correct) wasn't fond of him.
Watch the extended edition
Idk maybe there's something genuinely inspiring about having a main character who's a strong virtuous man who gets dealt the shittiest hand possible then turns it around completely by continuing to be strong and virtuous rather than folding against seemingly unbeatable odds over and over again then killing the homosexual tyrant who ruined his life with his final breath... with prime Ridley Scott writing, directing, cinematography, soundtrack... nah why would men enjoy that?
This backstabbing c**t got away with everything tho
>help maximus
>AHH FRICK MY KID AND WIFE IS BURNING ALIVE AND NOW COMMODUS IS MAKING PIG NOISES AND MOCKING THEM AHHHH
They never mention him having a wife or kids
>gets dealt the shittiest hand possible
Yeah it's so terrible being the protege of a wise emperor and having thousands of men at your command and being rich and famous OH NO BOO FRICKING HOO frick off moronic nepo baby shill.
lol his family gets murdered and he gets sold into slavery and is forced to kill or be killed for sport... but you're saying that his suffering is invalid because he was successful before that... Absolute loser mindset, I bet you unironically say "eat the rich"
because it good
I miss peak Russell Crowe
he should do more comedies, he was a funny mfer in nice guys
I really like that movie too. I think the porn angle split an already small audience.
Because it and Troy are well made historic fiction designed around masculine principles such as honor, family, duty, strength, and resilience
Its the ultimate movie about having your cake and eating it too as a man. He gets to be loyal to authority while confronting the establishment. He gets to be loyal to his wife while fricking the side chick. He gets to be the father of his cuckson without having to live to put in the work. He gets to be the hero of his friends without having to sacrifice for them. He gets to be both the revolutionary hero of the republic and the nameless commoner.
Doing any of these for real demands sacrifice, he doesn't have to make any in the movie for real.
Great post, it's unrealistic bullshit that only promotes being subservient to "le alpha" pieces of shit IRL because it convinces you that they're virtuous while they're the worst liars and cheaters and c**ts.
I'm not quite that cynical about it but yeah, its pure fantasy
Thanks
This is the most based answer I've ever seen in response to this woman's question.
>He gets to be the hero of his friends without having to sacrifice for them.
he literally fricking dies
>He gets to be the hero of his friends without having to sacrifice for them.
homie his wife and kid died a horrible death and were raped beforehand
haha what?
BECAUSE IT IS A STORY ABOUT FAMILY, HONOUR, BRAVERY, AND RESILIENCE.
I DID NOT SAY I KNEW HIM I SAID HE TOUCHED ME ON THE SHOULDER ONCE
are you not entertained?
Absolute puerile revenge fantasy Boomer slop
good score tho
I actually don't like it that much.
I like this movie but I hate the desaturated look it started with historical kino. I much prefer classics like Ben Hur, The Fall of the Roman Empire (which this is a remake of) or Spartacus.
Are you not entertained?
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It depicts the stoic man in suffering and the noble sacrifice, complete with an immediate recognition of the sacrifice as noble by an in-film audience, namely the coliseum attendees.
>complete with an immediate recognition of the sacrifice as noble by an in-film audience, namely the coliseum attendees.
That feels a bit too convenient
>That feels a bit too convenient
It is, but it's also part of the fantasy, that your sacrifice will be unambiguously well received and immediately tested and demonstrated to be true.
The reality of sacrifices, that they're often messy and given to an unappreciative population, isn't nearly as cathartic to men.
Except Maximus wasn't stoic at all lmfao.
A military man in the grecian time period is stoic. A man who must bear horrors ans false imprisonment for the furthering of an abstract ideal is stoic. A man who's lost everything he values yet doesn't succumb to despair is stoic.
Why do you claim he isn't?
What does "stoic" mean to you moron, having a stone face and roid gut lmfao?
>What does "stoic" mean to you moron
Stoicism as laid out by Epictetus and practiced by Aurelius, which among other things means keeping your passions and emotions in check, continually acknowledging the shortness of your own life, and placing value in ideals beyond your own self. I dont expect him to be a philosopher on the stoa, but he practices the common military application.
What does it mean to you?
Not raging like a tardbaby when someone slights you and plotting an incel revenge plot out of feefee asspayne?
I think we can agree that someone murdering your child and raping and murdering your wife while burning down your land and selling you into distant slavery is more than just a slight.
But even then, if it were simple revenge, the film would have ended at the halfway point when Maximus had a chance to kill Commodus post-combat. The final outcome isn't about revenge, it's about justice and attempting to preserve the high ideals of Aurelius. Transcendental values.
But you knew all that already, anon.
>more than just a slight.
Doesn't matter you're stoic it's out of your control just shrug it off.
Stop being a woman and explain what your problem is.
His problem is he's a b***h, likely because he's insufficiently stoic. Oh well.
Already did, Maximus is a whiny loser who lets emotions control his entire life.
Gee.. I wonder why
i dont. it's alright, 7/10
because swords
This movie is what it means to be a man
>Are you not entertained!?
I am wholly and fully entertained.
Somebody wasn't entertained eh?
Women, gays, trannies, jannies and zooms don't understand camaraderie and spiritual male bonding.
What of good Silonius?
Times you acted like the Pope's Gladiator?