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Never seen this cover before.
Its contents have nothing to do with the actual story.
Sonic Universe was notorious for having covers with Sonic and he wasn't in the series for 90% of the issues. Which is refreshing but still...
I mean you need to sell them comics somehow
What is that comic actually about?
Woman fights and fricks vampires. The comic doesn't get into all the sex IIRC but the books are your standard stories where sexless women fantasize about getting spitroasted by pale skin immortal chads.
>the books are your standard stories where sexless women fantasize about getting spitroasted by pale skin immortal chads.
I like how this is said as if the majority of Cinemaphile isn't equally pathetic regardless of gender. Like that time the Twilight author reversed all the characters' genders and all of a sudden guys weren't hating it as much.
Just because the same can be true for the opposite gender doesn't make either less pathetic.
I'm literally gay so I have no idea what you're talking about. Not that anon by the way, I just want to know who Sonic will recruit for his pirate team.
>I just want to know who Sonic will recruit for his pirate team
Then why did you reply to me while I was talking to someone else?
I. Just. Want. To. Know.
So which one of us misses the Archie comics? Be honest
the art had more soul
Not with Gray and ABT on IDW. If it had Skelly it would be perfect.
Many of us.
I don't. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
That doesn't mean I love IDW, but it's a different kind of problem.
Bait/shitposting/general-homosexualry leaking/obsessed/unhinged/etc. have a nice day.
opinions don't exist in your world do they.
Only if they agree with his position probably
Stupid ones don't.
Me but I’d be down for a reboot.
Ian
I won't pretend like it wasn't ass but at least it was interesting ass.
Eh kind of, I miss the crazyness of Archie but sure it was mostly bad. IDW isn't bad, but it feels tied down by Sega mandates.
I do.
people like to say the comic was awfull from the begining to the end, when the comic was funny to #1 to #20 started to get a serious tone from 21 to 50 but just decent in quality, was a total dumpster fire from 50 to 159, thanks to penders and karl bollers autism, to be the most awesome comic from 160 till the end of life of the comic.
Some characters have bad reputationor are overhated for shipiping wars and stupid storytelling by bad writers on 51 to 15. yes i'm talking about sally.
There was a time a lot of people were invested in it when flynn started to salvage everything, i'm not saying he's perfect but you can be certain the comic had it's best moments when he, aleah baker and tracy yardley started to be the main writers.
Sonic universe was awesome even on it's own.
The art quality started to get awesome when yardley was introduced on 159 too.
His art was so good at the time even his style became the de facto main style in the comic. We can't forget about awesome artists like evan Stanley, diana skelly, adam bryce Thomas, jammal peppers and specially ben bates, special mention to matt herms for being an awesome colorist.
I think the comic is overhated too, but still have some bad bits, like sonic and tails fight and charmy being brain damaged to be like his game counterpart, all in flynn writing, but all those things were fixed in the reboot, which was cool too.
The Sally thing was more bad writing on the dark era and the slap being fodder to shipping wars.
Exactly these. The comics aren't perfect and the characters have had low points but it was at least interesting for the most part and only legitimately bad during the truly dark era. It's just easy for people that want to hate the series to find things to present as if it was representative of the entire comic. And Sally being the face of the SatAM/Archie-only characters is the easy target because she's had badly written moments as well. Bollers regretted the slap, Ian regretted giving Charmy brain damage, and Penders gives no fricks.
Thank god! Sonic fans that know what they are talking about.
The comic is not perfect but game purist and shippers are obnoxious almost all the time, I mean, we know is an alternate universe, why being an ass in the first place shouting is not Canon in the first place?
The comic is overhated, and sally as a character too because some bad writers, and the fact some people are jackasses just because amy is not sonic love interest in that universe.
That comic at the end of his life was a good sonic content and had good quality consistency for almost 12 years.
I Don't know why the sonic general started to hate flynn that much when he, along with his wife and tracy yarldey were the ones who managed to save the comic from the dark ages in the first place, flynn is not perfect but you can be certain he is not trash like penders or bollers in terms of quality writing.
The current archie sonic comic staff was so good at their job, they brought almost all the team to idw sonic, flynn started to write for forces, tyson hesse became a main animator in the games and designed movie sonic, yardley and abt did comics for actual sonic games like the prelude of sonic and the secret rings and the prelude of sonic forces.
But sonic fans hate archie just because is archie, when the main staff have worked internally for sega since the secret rings.
>But sonic fans hate archie just because is archie
Tribalism and autism. Sonic has drastically different continuities and people pick a side and fling shit at the others. A true Sonic patron can enjoy everything or at least not get hung up on the stuff they're not a fan of.
The sonic general only hates archie because one guy spammed archie hate for years until it drove fans and discussion out.
>What if Bonger the Warmonger fought Knuckles?
>Whuzzat?
>Reeeeeead the comic
This is no discussion, this is shilling.
If you're talking about archie, is it really shilling if it's been discontinued and can no longer be officially purchased?
I felt that Flynn-era Archie Sonic was the most consistently good comic at the time. I used to read a bunch of cape comic series back when I first got into Sonic, but ended up dropping them one by one. Something always kept happening that made me lose interest; a good writer got replaced with an awful one, or my favorite characters got killed off, or big events fricked shit up. I gradually quit reading everything else but stayed with Sonic. I like action/adventure stories with humor, and got what I wanted from those comics.
>I felt that Flynn-era Archie Sonic was the most consistently good comic at the time.
You now remember MXYL.
NTA, but "was the most
consistently good" is not equal to "every issue was a masterpiece", anon
Pretty much nailed it. Though I loved the Sonic and Tails fight. Only part I ever didn't like during that 2nd age was that issue during the King Naugus arc where Sonic gets over his depression in a single fricking sentance. The rest was so stupidy unexplainably good. Every Reboot since has been worse for me. IDW is good and will satisfy most but I'm not into it and I'm surprised at how often I find out something I don't like was the result of the writers trying to get around the demands of Sega marketing suits. Something that always amused me about Archie is when people complain it's not "like the games," as if Sonic games have any kind of consistancy.
>Something that always amused me about Archie is when people complain it's not "like the games," as if Sonic games have any kind of consistancy.
Writing went out the window after SA2 until Unleashed and then went back out the window since, the comics are much better than the stories in a majority of Sonic games.
It is not related to the games stories, but rather to the world and setting presented, even with the inbetween soft reboots.
Sonic X, despite the whole Isekai bullshit, is more in tune with the world and setting presented in the games than the comics were at the time.
Did that make it better? Not really, but for sure it wasn't the factor that made Sonic X unappealing (at best).
Archie is pretty dense with backstory but that's one of the things I like about it over the games.
Not at all.
At the end of the day, IDW is just more of the same. A few changes here and there, but none of them change the quality at all.
Not really, they're on polar opposites of the spectrum. Archie tried way too hard, and IDW doesn't try hard enough.
IDW is literally the exact same thing but with less characters and less ridiculous lore.
I don't miss it, but it was so bad it's good, which is bettet than constant mediocrity.
I await the next storytime
every single day since it was gone.
It was the only version I unironically loved outside of Sonic Boom.
But I wouldn't mind it getting replaced with something similar to the reboot with more story variety, stronger editing & a focus less on events and more on character interaction & shorter adventures. Reboot Archie but done right.
If it were up to me, I'd have 3 Sonic comics (anthology book about Sonic, capeshit event book by Flynn & Sonic Universe book by Baker & others) plus the ocassional spinoff limited series.
All the time
IDW has some decent ideas, but it's yet to reach the same heights.
IDW surpassed Archie by issue 7.
I miss Sonic Universe and Mega Drive
Post reboot definitely. Pre reboot was shot, good riddance
>Pre reboot was shot
in the heart and Ken's to blame, he gave Sonic a bad name.
I don't because Archie wasn't the only Sonic media consumed like some people.
Intellectually I know not all archie fans are like that guy with the sally doll but these threads are doing a great job of helping me forget that.
It wasn't good and I wouldn't want it continued under any circumstance, but I miss reading it as a kid and with that months-long storytime on Cinemaphile
I don't miss the furry soap opera drama BS or the yellow boxes telling me to read some 20 year old issue in order to understand the comic im currently reading. But I do miss the stories being somewhat daring and interesting without the SEGA mandates breathing down their neck.
>Preboot, not one bit.
>Reboot, kind of.
Funny enough, the Pendering got rid of what I hated the most in Archie Sonic, which was all the Penders Echidna Lore (inb4, I hated it way before it became a meme... I truly preferred the game's Knuckles and its Echidna lore to Penders' take on it).
After they didn't need to shoehorn it for continuity's sake anymore, the entire comic became a lot better... for me, at least.
the entirety of Ian Flynn run was great
You forgot House of Cards and Super Scourge exist bro
both were good get fricked
Confirmed shit taste
>wine
Aren't they all from a country that says no until 21?
It's just grape juice. Which is only weird because Knuckles should have a bottle. Anyway, they're mobian teens, meaning they're likely to have sex and kids at that age.
>everyone gets teen pregnant
>even sonic does
>amy doesn't
Surprisingly in Light Mobius for both versions, Sonic and Sally don't have kids until they're in their late 30s. Rob o' the Hedge got his echidna wife knocked up super fast. Elias was originally the father of his wife's kid but she already had the kid and it didn't make sense given the amount of time that passed so it got retconned so the father was her first husband. Amy probably ends up an unmarried woman with no kids.
She was supposed to marry tails but sega said it was a no no and he ended up with mina (which i honestly like because archie tails had the worst luck finding a decent girl, and mina stopped dating douches, even if it was an alternate universe. Their kids were cool characters too)
>and mina stopped dating douches
MXYL Tails is a douche.
>Their kids were cool characters too)
...No. Just no.
>MXYL Tails is a douche
Literally when? He barely even appeared.
Now i know you're talking out of your ass, because the douche in those stories was sonic, and tails just stayed away from him, when they wanted to fix the timeline the two apologized and became best friends once again.
Tails wasn't a douche at all, his wife mina and their kids even loved him a lot, Even mina called him miles instead of tails and fought the dark legion herself when they knocked him out. Tails only had a bad relation with sonic because sonic was the douche in the first place.
So this is the good thread ?
Depends on if it attracts the shitposters.
Both seem fine so far
That's why we're supposed to have a decoy thread with something controversial about Sally in the op.
Well the other comic thread is talking about Penders stuff. Guess this one is saved.
There's no controversy, Sally is a piece of shit.
Nah. Even so, the problem is Sally attracts far too much of negativeness and schizophrenia for our own good. We literally got a Barneygay 2 roaming on Cinemaphile for Sonic threads for enforcing his insane crusade against a comic book.
That's Sonic you're talking about.
A fancomic a day, keeps gnarling brats away.
So far, so good.
Yes. Other thread is a lost cause.
Hope you saw
, there's a very familiar looking walrus.
You're welcome!
Someone posted this on the storytime thread when it was near bump limit.
You can guess who the artist is.
And thats all for now
>You can guess who the artist is.
Pirate Sonic just works. In fact, he'd work in a lot of settings. Really hoping Prime delivers on something like this and not be a steaming pile of meh.
I guess Sally never considered Bunnie as her best friend.
She literally said Bunnie was her best friend during the time she was conflicted about wether to hook up with Monkey Khan or not, despite the fact Nicole had long since replaced her as the "best friend" by then.
well since the op image is a One Piece reference I can say that Wano sucks
What if Opal the jellyfish were inflated to an enormous size?
Degenerate, but based.
Her ass is supposed to be her feature.
Actually her head is
Man, i really miss the aquatic mobians, i miss archie in general
So would you guys have loved to see soft-boot Archie having along the pre-boot characters? I'm curious about how would have been their redesigns.
Everyone would have loved that.
Honestly I'd like a complete reboot. Start from the beginning but cut out all the crap and keep focused and integrate more of the game lore from the start.
You might as well not read Sonic comics, if all you want is game lore. If not even soft-boot presumably appeased you, then just stick to the games.
You can have both. In fact, that’s what the reboot was doing.
I agree completely, but your wording from before implied you want more game lore, which that would overwhelm the comic's. That's what I don't want, for the record.
The Archie Lore and Game lore are irreconciable, the Game lore was very much overtaking the Archie lore to the point the remaining parts of it felt strangely tacked-on. There was literally no reason to still have Sally and the other FFs still there by then.
Yeah, like I said, just stick to the games.
Good post.
Archie from the beginning didn't want anything to do with stuff from the games and when the reboot happened it turned out to actually work out. So it's entirely possible to do it from the beginning. In fact, the early Archie specials covered some of the games. That's how we got Knuckles and the Chaotix being a thing for so long in the comics despite it being a one time thing for the games. You can have both and not have one overtake the other.
How would a preboot, reboot, and IDW crossover work out?
It wouldn't
But what if it could?
Archie
>Penders insanity
>relationshit drama
>endless Echidna bullshit
>reboot wastes all its issues on one arc
IDW
>entire cast is moronic
>boring Zombot arc
>most interesting characters are some lesbian OCs and their edgy psycho nemesis
Fleetway
>Sonic is a loveable butthole with a hidden heart of gold
>Knuckles is actually intelligent
>only ONE other echidna as one of Knuckles' villains
>likeable characters like Porker, Tekno, and Ebony
>no relationshit drama
>crazy-ass adventures with dimension-hopping and pirates and Tails' war to save a fantasy world from goblins and shit
Take the Fleetway-pill, bros.
Fleetway was fine, nothing special aside from some interesting ideas and characters.
C'mon, evil Super Sonic? The Brotherhood of Metallix? Dr. Zachary and his Laputa-ripoff bots? The Marxio brothers?
All that shit was completely insane, in a really good way.
Archie also has some fun ideas of its own, doesn't make it not shit overall.
>The Marxio brothers?
Boring ripoff, not that fun or funny.
I'm not saying Archie didn't have anything good, it's just that Fleetway has all that shit and doesn't have a bunch of boring Penders nonsense to slow the fun down.
But Penders made everything more fun after leaving and after the comic ended, so it balances out.
Got me there, the Penders insanity is pretty fun to mock.
Eh, I dunno. I enjoyed the gonzo stories and the crazy adventures a lot. The cast really got a chance to shine, like when Brutus managed to remove his own self-destruct device and backstab Eggman, or how Grimer was actually loyal unlike Snively or Starline, or Tekno's adventures with Amy. All of that was a lot of fun, and was pretty different from what we got from Archie or IDW.
>Tekno's adventures with Amy
Those never felt like they had any stakes so I ended up skipping them after a while.
They were mostly random adventures that amounted to nothing except for the one that took them to Earth. That's when they met the general that later tries to invade Mobius. He was pretty fun since he was completely unhinged and obsessed. Sonic even went to the British PM to get him to cut the general's funding and shut his group down.
>They were mostly random adventures that amounted to nothing
Yeah that was how I felt about it.
>They were mostly random adventures that amounted to nothing
Well yeah, but it's fiction. None of it actually amounted to anything, it's just meant to be entertaining.
Maybe I'm biased, though. I'm a big fan of short stories and concise storytelling, so I think the "Adventure of the Week" format just appeals to me.
>it's just meant to be entertaining
And that's subjective. The Amy and Tekno stories weren't really interesting to me because they went to a new place, made a bunch of puns, solved the problem they were sent there to fix, often through sheer luck/coincidence/contrivance, and then were sent to the next place to do the same thing again.
>they went to a new place, made a bunch of puns, solved the problem they were sent there to fix, often through sheer luck/coincidence/contrivance, and then were sent to the next place to do the same thing again.
Sounds like AOSTH
But no memes, cartoony animation, Jaleel White, or Robotnik.
>it's just meant to be entertaining.
I enjoy some good filler but the Amy stuff was just boring to me. Good for you if you liked it though, at least it has an audience.
After Robotnik gets overthrown Fleetway gets really bad. Like half of the stories become an assembly line monster of the week show involving some one-off Mobian turning into a villain drawn by Mick McMahon who’s really phoning in the art.
People who claim Fleetway never had a dark age have never read Fleetway all the way through.
>After Robotnik gets overthrown Fleetway gets really bad.
Same thing happened to Archie. Autists b***h about Eggman never facing consequences in IDW, but as soon as he's out of the picture things always get worse.
Eggman barely appears in IDW as the main villain. You can say he’s the main antagonist of Metal Virus but I’d disagree, it’s repeatedly hammered home that he has no control of the situation and gets supplanted by Zavok like halfway through. The only other time he’s gotten focus as the main villain is the short Belle arc, the rest of the comic is focused on OC villains and the Zeti as the main antagonists.
Yes, but now imagine how bad it would be if he wasn't in IDW at all.
Robotnik fricking carried that comic. Even after he gets overthrown his stories are easily the best. I was hoping for Zachary to be something more than "echidna that is evil for reasons" but he never steps up. Grimer was pretty good but he was just holding things down while Robotnik was away. Nackforce was in full effect so that was fun.
There's a reason why Fleetway is obscure and people only really care for Schizo Super Sonic. Just take comfort that barely anyone knows about the series to really hate it. Aside from Super, nothing really stands out. It's just okay.
Fleetway is ok at best. It hardly resembles the games at all and if it didn't have Sonic in it I doubt anyone would have paid attention. You could almost say the same for Archie but it at least incorporated aspects of both cartoons so it had fans from those too.
Fleetway is the one with more consistent quality, Ironically the euroartstyle is it weak point, because not everyone is into that kinda style. That and the sonic of that continuity is kinda like a jerk butthole, sadly, it enden in the adventure arc.
Because the comic online needs to be taken like another thing.
It's officially endorsed by StC's creators, it's not just its own thing.
>Fleetway is the one with more consistent quality
I'd say the opposite. Each issue had 4 stories and the quality and content varied greatly, even when they were all Sonic-based stories. Archie goes stretches with the same writers and artists before changing things up. IDW is definitely the most consistent with only a couple main writers and a standardized style and Sega sometimes ruling out or enforcing things.
decap attack is unironically the better comic to come out of fleetway is the thing.
This is a bad example because sonic always needs to be on model acording to sega, it was more obvious when pencillers start to draw background characters or original secondary characters like the freedom fighter or tangle and whisper.
The more obvious are steven buttler with his pseudo human anatomy and james fry because his art sucked.
But all your example look different whe you see the full issue soecially comparing i don't know tyson hesse with jamal peppers.
Sega’s own GAMES weren’t fricking on model. They never really followed the promotional art designs and even game to game you see massive changes in art style. Sonic cd and parts of sonic 2 break the art style, sonic riders and 06 are extremely removed from the art style, and if you line up sa1, sa2, and heroes you see 3 completely different 3d model art styles that don’t share much in the way of design characteristics. Let alone the animes like sonic x and the ova, which further deviate from the existing art styles.
Any time sonic zoomers talk about anatomy or art style it sounds like people who have never fricking drawn talking.
We're not talking about the games, this is about the comics because we're on Cinemaphile, not Cinemaphile, not /mmg/, Cinemaphile. So talk about the comics and cartoons and report the off topic babble from mega autists and game gays.
No, we’re talking about sega and aonic when we talk about how sega “restricts” the franchise.
Remember all the weird fricking pixar humans in sonic unleashed? Oh wait, you fricking zoomers dont know shit about frick and get all your opinions from sonic-tubers
>remember video game?
Kek why should I give a single shit what you say if it isn't about DiC, Archie, or IDW? Frick right off lmao.
I didn't really think about until know but Zoro and Knuckles have the same exact personality and character dynamic.
The French Sonic Conics are objectively, mathematically the best.
>have only 1 story
>it’s utterly great
>100% success rate
Also the manga for that one bunny milf who breastfed Tails
Are we talking michiyoshi doujin or an official comic?
Official comic.
At least I think she’s a bunny.
Tails is fricking thirsty
What would a Sonic comic by Michiyoshi be like?
Tails-centric.
That was indeed fun and I wanted more. Amy had a real mouth on her and Sonic and Knuckles weren't even really rivals but close friends having fun. And Sonic was really nice to Tails.
Damn, just read it! That was without a doubt the best drawn Sonic comic of them all!
Just read 'em
Wow, you're right, the french comics are best
Silver
Sonic would sooner recruit Shadow than Silver.
Yes but Silver is easier to get. Recreuiting Shadow would be like recruiting Vegeta
Are the Archie comics worth reading or should I just start with IDW? Wondering cause I just got into playing sonic, I'm playing in release order and I just stared heroes.
>Archie comics worth reading
For the sheer insanity and comicbook nonsense, yes. It also does drastically improve toward its end.
Thanks for the advice. I'll probably start idw after I get caught up with the games, then I will give Archie my best shot.
Archie is an investment and you have to understand that a lot of it isn't that good but most of it is entertaining. It's completely different from the games. IDW is fine and you'll likely enjoy that but you're not going to get anything crazy like you'll find in Archie. And if you do read Archie, start at the beginning. You'll want a guide because there's a lot of specials and side comics worth checking out.
Yeah, Archie comics are definitive Sonic along with AoSTH, SATAM and of course the Genesis games. Reboot can be skipped though.
>Reboot can be skipped
Reboot had some fun ideas and worldbuilding that is worth checking out, even if it doesn't deliver.
>Reboot can be skipped though.
Not if you like the games from 98 to 05
Yeah but start at 252
I think Archie is getting storytimed next month, right
Not that I know, it was fully storytimed last year though.
Also, how come we never tried storytiming Sonichu during the fan comic storytime ?
Because it isn't a fan comic, it's official to internet continuity and even had its own cartoon.
It even has its own readcomiconline page
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Sonichu
Maybe?
But the ride which storytimed archie is still ongoing. It can't just loop forever, can it?
No one posted it yet so here you go.
By casualty you don't have the graphic explaining the quality of the comic?
If nothing else that blurb on the right does pretty good implying it doesn't actually get good until 160.
Start at 252 for the reboot which has an Unleashed Adaptation and then gets cancelled
Start at 160 for preboot Kino which is my personal recommendation. At this point there's tones of lore but anything you need to know is usually apparent and if not there's mobius encycopedia
Start at the Start if you think you're hard enough
Out of all the Sonic comics, what is your favorite story/moment/whatever? For me, it's always Mecha Madness. Spaz is the best Sonic artist and he's at his best for these two issues. Writing is pretty cheesy but it adds to the fun.
Sonic Quest because it's basically Sonic 2, the best of the classic games.
Dr. Finitevus siccing Knuxerjak on everyone. He makes Eggman, the Freedom Fighters, the Enchiladas, and everyone else look like total chumps, and it is absolutely cathartic.
Sonic 175. Kid me genuinely though Snively killed the Freedom Fighters for the first few pages, then Eggman in an amalgamation of a bunch of his mechs viciously beats the dogshit out of Sonic in a one sided beatdown. My jaw was on the floor the entire time.
IDW Sonic threads get more traction than Archie Sonic threads. Fleetway Sonic threads don't exist.
Maybe in current times bro, 12 years ago when archie was alive and in the pinnacle of it's quality, the threads were always at it's fullest with discussion. Even the the reboot was popular here until its demise in 2017.
I came here in 2016 so I don't really give a shit about boomers talking about a kids comic ten years ago.
>Archie
>pinnacle of it's quality
>The Moebius Invasion
>Iron Dominion
>Shadow Saga
>Tails Adventure
>Treasure Team Tango
>Silver Saga
2008-2011 Archie was peak non-game Sonic media
I read absolutely nothing from those years.
You aren't missing out.
You should fix that
Nah. I have zero interest in ian’s writing style or the way that tracy yardley and co draw the characters. I hate how they make sonic look and act. His face looks fricking stupid in those comics and his mouth is big and awful looking. He’s also constantly making shrek faces. Frick that shit. It is the opposite of appealing for me. Their art is cancer.
I shall deem you the Yardleygay. Now go! Go out and shit up every forthcoming Sonic comic thread to the extreme!
Why are you even here bro, in an archie and IDW comic thread of all places?
Because i like correcting morons on how stupid they are, and i like sonic!
e-girl porn is legal in japan and you can see naked e-girls on anime tv over there.
Iron Dominion was boring and Treasure Team Tango hinged on certain characrers being written wrong.
>Fleetway Sonic threads don't exist.
>Cinemaphile only ever makes threads to b***h about things and shitpost and argue over mediocre tripe, never discusses anything good
Thanks for admitting that Fleetway Sonic is best.
Preboot Flynn is the best, nobody talks about Fleetway because it was the most forgettable one. You're right that most threads are outrage bait for (you)s though.
Relly? I find archie threads have the highest ratio of actual discussion v. shitposting out of any threads, on Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile.
>nobody talks about Fleetway because it was the most forgettable one
They don't talk about it because it was good and didn't include any Penders moronation or Vegetadow the Edgehog or anything that's easy to shitpost/argue about.
Like I said, most forgettable. It is decent but not amazing and not terrible for the majority of its run and the creators weren't spergs.
>There are people in these threads, who didn't experienced the original archie sonic ride
Man thas was probably one of the best experiences i had in this place, too bad i didn't save any pics about the reactions of some issues, but i remember laughing like a maniac when titan tails appeared, i hope some anon saved the pics.
The drawgays were top notch too, specially the guy who drew sexy pinups of every archie sonic girl.
I caught the recent one, with all the SonElias posting and the Shadowspammer. Was the original better?
It was a real experience my friend, like this guy said
there was plenty of discussion way back in 2011 or was is in 2010? The original ride was something it happened because people were preparing themselves for the first sonic and megaman crossover.
And people joined for laughs at the rollercoaster of quality in art and writing of the dark era, just to be baffled how good things were when flynn and yarldey started to be in charge.
The reactions pic anon is refering are a collection of reaction post when the silliest or terrible writing and art happened inthe comics, or when legit something awesome happened in the flynn era, it was magical.
A lot of drawgays joined too at the time.
Forget it? I was there but i can't remember in which year the ride started, but the pin up drawgay had drawings with the year 2013 on his drawings
This is the continuation.
Hahahahaha! Good times. One of the best threads of the original ride.
Bruh, the sally pin-up post disappeared, too bad.
Next one when?
It was awesome, someone remember pic related?
Pitch the epic crossover between them.
>Massive multidimensional threat attacks all three universes.
>All 3 Sonics too busy bickering and being homos to stop it
>IDW Shadow jobs like a fricking moron, much to the embarrassment of Archie Shadow
>Shortfuse jobs b/c the villain punked him while he was in the middle of recounting his origins again
>Archie Knuckles and IDW Knuckles get mad and angst about the Master Emerald and pick fights with Archie Shadow and Fleetway Sonic and accomplish nothing
>the Freedom Fighters all bicker and yell a lot and job
>Archie Shadow beats up Metal Sonic again
>Eggman gets punked by the villain, yet somehow remains as all-powerful as ever
>Finally Fleetway Knux gets mad and flies the Floating Island like a mech and blasts the villain with that badass lightning cannon and saves the day
>Massive multidimensional threat
Snore. Take it to hollywood.
Eggman Nega is the main villain.
Am I supposed to clap because I recognize the character? He's literally just Eggman but more evil.
>He's literally just Eggman but more evil.
Worked for Archie Eggman.
Yes, it worked when there was one Eggman at a time. Are you ok, moron?
I don't even know what you're b***hing your ass off about.
Eggman but more evil is fine as a concept but is less impactful when you introduce it as a separate character in a universe that already has an evil Eggman. So I repeat: moron, are you ok?
I'm not bothering to discuss anything with you. You sound like an butthole.
You had nothing of substance to offer in the first place so good riddance. Eggman Nega has never been a good character and crossovers are just as uncreative as him 9 times out of 10.
No, you're just a frickhead. I don't have discussions with frickheads since you're too emotionally-driven and bias.
You're having a discussion right now despite saying you wouldn't. I can't trust anything you say because you completely lack any integrity whatsoever.
No, this is not a discussion.
Like I said, nothing you say matters because I can't trust anything you say anymore. Come up with better ideas than crossover shit and Eggman 2.0 next time or don't be so taken aback when it's not treated as incredibly inspired.
Considering he looks like he's wearing shades, I personally am looking forward to Ian Flynn turning Scratch into this classic, unused bird character.
We don't need them at all.
doesn't matter what you think. ian's gonna do it and you're gonna just have to take it.
>ian's gonna do it
Sega's not gonna let it happen. I think him constantly trying to push his luck is making them completely disregard the Freedom Fighters.
I don't think SEGA knows what "Freedom Fighters" is. It's more that Ian can probably push to get a Sonic Spinball Classic adaption done and include those specific incarnations of the characters.
You're just a hate baby with a chip on your shoulder because you think there is "correct" and "wrong" sonic. Ian's saying that this gives him a good pitch, but you're pissed because you waste all day b***hing at anons about how much you hate certain characters arbitrarily.
>It's more that Ian can probably push to get a Sonic Spinball Classic adaption done and include those specific incarnations of the characters.
Sega will probably tell him to replace them with Flickies.
"grrr i hate characters from other thing so much grrrr"
>You're just a hate baby with a chip on your shoulder because you think there is "correct" and "wrong" sonic.
NTA but it's probably less that and more that the FFs have nothing much to offer the franchise in general. The only ones that help the setting's stories more than hinder them are Bunnie and Nicole. The rest are too underpowered with not enough to make up for it to justify being recurring characters and without their backgrounds and histories from Archie, they have no reason to be forced into the story.
imagine requiring characters to be fighters in order to be in the story.
what a boring fricking book idw must be.
any character has anything to offer the franchise because you can hold a them up and go LOOK! A CHARACTER! and if it's an old one you can go LOOK! OLD CHARACTER! that's all sonic homosexuals want, is characters to look at and go "oooo, character!"
"Be forced into the story" the story of what? Classic Sonic? The thing that doesn't have a story or a long running book and just shows up for one offs? Are you moronic?
You know that no one fricking minds reinventing characters, right? Look at the fricking sonic movie. they completely changed everything! people love that shit! as long as the end result works then they'll fricking eat it up like sloppy chili dogs.
It's not even about fighting potential, israeliteel can fly and barely carry one other person and she's still more intereting than most of the FFs can be outside of their own (or even in) settings in Archie. I don't hate them but they would bog down the story by being so unable to do anything extraordinary in most situations. Also if you're willing to change them so much you might as well just not have them represented at all. Anyway I'm just saying this with the idea in mind that people would want them to be mainstays like they used to be, I think the FFs would be fine for like a small arc and then some minor appearances on occasion later.
>Look at the fricking sonic movie. they completely changed everything!
But they didn't change that Sonic is fast, a good guy, and can do cool shit because that would take away from him doing cool shit which is one of the main things that makes him great.
bog down the story of WHAT? israeliteel isn't a CLASSIC character. Spinball is a CLASSIC game and if they adapted SPINBALL it would be for CLASSIC SONIC, not MODERN SONIC. You fricking moron.
Nah, change as much as you can, no one but you cares about that lol.
Oh my god your understanding of characters is on like a 4th grade level. Why do they let children on this fricking website? Shadow is fast a good guy and does cool shit but theres fricking more to him than that.
Sally just needs to be a confident tomboy who butts heads with Sonic and tries to think her way out of problems and help the others. That's not hard to reinvent while still maintaining, dumbfrick.
Do you even think before you type or do you just rattle off some pre-packaged shit from discord?
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt but the FFs would be even worse in classic aside from slice of life shit like Sonic driving.
>Backs it up with nothing
You don't actually think at all, you just run your mouth. Did you forget that bunnie is a CYBORG??? (Or that Amy in classic doesn't have powers and is basically helpless 90% of the time???)
Oh wait i'm getting a brain blast oh shit here it is: What if Sally had a staff with a grapple hook on one end that could also act as a shock wire? Oh shit now she's useful for alot of things that other characters aren't without replacing anyone and that only took me like 8 seconds to come up with. (Plus it'd fit with her established traits, fighting with cunning instead of strength)
Amy isn't a tomboy, she's a valley girl. Also, you fricking mixed up your versions again and started talking about MODERN again. Classic Amy was a fricking little girl who tried to tell fortunes with tarot cards and cried when robots chased her. She's the OPPOSITE of tomboy. She's a girly girl!
You do know that when a woman butts heads with a man it's different than when a man does it, right? Sonic always gets the best of Knuckles when they bicker, but Sally could give better than she gets. That was the defining aspect of hers and sonic's character interaction, and no one in the games actually shares that aspect. Knuckles is an idiot who Sonic makes look stupid, but Sally is witty and makes SONIC look stupid. That's a unique dynamic!
Congratulations. You just described a Mary Sue.
I already brought up Bunnie and Nicole, amnesiac. I'll give you hookshot though, I was mainly thinking of later issues where Sally doesn't do much aside from rely on Nicole.
>She's a girly girl!
That's consistent in modern too. They're not that different as characters between the two eras aside from the situations they're put in.
amy's character was MASSIVELY altered by Sonic Adventure 1, you fricking zoomer. that was the ENTIRE POINT of Amy's story in that game! She went from being a damsel to being self-reliant! Classic Amy is NOT self-reliant. She is a CHILD.
Nicole wasn't in Sonic Spinball you dumb moron. You are so fricking stupid oh my god. Oh my god.
>Classic Amy is NOT self-reliant.
She has been in the comics and Mania cartoon. Archie Amy wasn't but classic Amy in MD and IDW can hold her own just fine.
>She is a CHILD.
Still is in modern,along with most everyone else still being the same ages regardless of art style change.
>Nicole wasn't in Sonic Spinball
Doesn't mean they can't grandfather her in through Sally.
amy was almost never in the archie comics until sa1 you idiot. you're such a fricking poser. you just yell ARCHIE ARCHIE without actually knowing what it means. Classic Amy has like 3 stories where she has speaking roles in archie before she got aged up, and she wasn't fighting badniks.
She was in one episode of the mania cartoon and she was still fricking scared of metal sonic and didn't actually fight anything. In Sonic Origins the first thing we see of her is her crying and running away from a robot.
Ian wasn't talking about putting archie shit in IDW, he was talking about adapting Sonic Spinball and the characters in Sonic Spinball. You're schizo posting like crazy.
Sonic teases and puts down sally all the time. When was the last time you actually watched it? They were treated like equals, but it was in an era where it was okay for a female character to be put down by a male so the dynamic actually worked and felt natural.
>you just yell ARCHIE ARCHIE
All you do is purposefully misinterpret things that aren't Archie so it fits your narrative.
>She was in one episode of the mania cartoon and she was still fricking scared of metal sonic and didn't actually fight anything.
I thought characters didn't need to fight to be relevant or independent?
>In Sonic Origins the first thing we see of her is her crying and running away from a robot.
Because CD is her first appearance and she's strictly a damsel in distress there.
part of was also responding to
as well, but i forgot to add the reply marker.
that's not mary sue, that's just "a girl". Sally in the cartoon wasn't a mary sue, she was just hitting sonic's wit with something he wasn't prepared for, a woman's perspective. Fricking BULMA outwits Vegeta. Wives being able to disarm their husbands is a common trope. (Even in GF/BF relationships or platonic ones) Mary Sue is when a character is perfect at everything and everyone loves them. Someone who constantly gets mocked by a friend and relies on others to shore up her weaknesses isn't a Mary Sue, that's just a woman.
>Mary Sue is when a character is perfect at everything and everyone loves them
that the first definition of mary sue theres a second one you're forgetting
There's only one definition you stupid fricking moron. (I can tell you're bluffing because you didn't post this "second definition" and I doubt you'll have a source)
Sonic doesn't need a sassy female character that's able to outwit him and make him look stupid. These are the problems people have with Sally.
Sonic doesn't need 7 different rival characters either, but here we are.
Stories aren't built on needs, they're built on what's interesting, you insecure incel. Remember when Sonic Boom made Amy more like what we're fricking describing Sally as being? The thing you just said is unnecessary because you just come up with reasons to hate the character and think about if it's a valid one or not NEVER?
Boom Amy gets put down all the time though, that's not at all how Sally gets treated in her cartoon.
>Stories aren't built on needs, they're built on what's interesting
Which is ironic since your idea is literally built on a need to bring back Sally and it's not even interesting.
>you insecure incel.
LOL.
>Remember when Sonic Boom made Amy more like what we're fricking describing Sally as being?
Except Boom Amy wasn't what you described Sally. Her character wasn't to outwit Sonic and make him look stupid.
>The thing you just said is unnecessary because you just come up with reasons to hate the character and think about if it's a valid one or not NEVER?
By your own admission. You aren't making the character desirable. She's sounding like a Mary Sue you'd hear someone describing their own donut steel.
no, it's not my idea. it's ian's. and it's not a need, it's an interest that HE has.
Amy outwits sonic frequently in boom, she's just also an insecure schizo who constantly ends up the butt of jokes herself.
I like how you just avoided the whole "what's the second definition?" thing? Making a character desirable isn't making them a mary sue, that's making them more FEMININE. Jesus do you not know what a fricking woman is? There's a documentary you should probably watch that just came out recently...
What did i "purposefully misinterpret"? Are you just pulling this accusation out of your ass? yes you are! You clipped out the part where I told you that you were wrong about classic amy in the old archie sonic books! You're so transparent and petty lol.
Yes that's my argument. You were arguing that Amy was the same as Modern, I was explaining how she WASN'T. The reason I am doing so is to illustrate how Sally would be just as valid as Amy even if she didn't fight badniks, because Classic Sonic already had a character who was useless most of the time and needed rescuing!
Yes, a sonic story with a useless character who exists to be rescued. Almost like Classic Amy is not like Modern Amy! (Also, Ian rewrites Modern Amy's personality anyways. He macho's her up much more than she's treated in the japanese games where she still makes sad faces and asks sonic to save the flickies)
>Making a character desirable isn't making them a mary sue, that's making them more FEMININE.
Check out this masculine tomboy. Total butch, isn't she?
no that's a little girl with a VERY FEMININE personality and a SHY, IMPRESSIONABLE demeanor. what point are you even making? are you saying you want to frick cream?
So why does the series need a second useless female tagalong if it already has Amy? In that case you should at least be arguing for Bunnie over Sally to at least add a strong female character who can keep up with the game characters. Are all Rally for Sally gays this deranged?
>Almost like Classic Amy is not like Modern Amy!
Modern Amy has been basically just like classic Amy since Colors which including classic era is longer than she was her Adventure era self.
>Also, Ian rewrites Modern Amy's personality anyways. He macho's her up much more than she's treated in the japanese games where she still makes sad faces and asks sonic to save the flickies
Guess there's no need for Sally then if Ian's Amy is basically Sally but better and actually made for the games.
Not a Rally for Sally gay, don't care about that shit at all. Nice try at an excuse but nope. I just like harassing a fricking moron in sonic threads who never fricking lets up. The character is only as useless as the author makes them. Characters don't need powers to be useful. Just write situations that are about more than just beating up robots. have a brain!
no she fricking hasn't. You're fricking wrong. Amy wasn't even in the REAL version of colors. Do you even remember the games or do you just blurt shit out to win arguments online? (yes you do)
Again, not talking about modern. You dumb moron. You're actually the stupidest fricking homosexual in these threads. Fricking lord. oh my fricking god. (Ian's amy isn't in the games, the games write amy to be a bleeding heart girly girl who loves love and crushing on sonic) Modern Amy isn't in the classic sonic comics and classic amy doesn't act like modern amy or like sally. Your understanding of sonic is "he does cool things and is good and fast" so you're the last person who should be commenting on what a fricking character trait is. How fat and acne ridden are you, anon? Are you trans maybe? You from Brazil??
Still waiting on that Second Definition of "Mary Sue" that you didn't have, homosexual.
>The character is only as useless as the author makes them. Characters don't need powers to be useful.
Then you run into the same problem Archie did where the less powerful characters hold back the story because Sonic is basically furry DBZ and its setting involves fighting and people with super powers.
sounds more like an ian problem to me. i stopped reading around 100 issues or so and never ran into that problem. SATAM never had that problem. Even DBZ manages to always have a place for Bulma. Did you forget about Bulma or did you just blurt shit out without thinking again?
Y'know what action series doesn't have a problem giving weaker characters something to contribute? One Piece.
Maybe get a brain, anon.
>SATAM never had that problem.
Because it has almost nothing to do with Sonic and had exactly 3 of the game characters.
>Even DBZ manages to always have a place for Bulma.
And Sonic always has a place for Tails.
>One Piece
Has nothing to do with anything outside of one issue's cover being an homage.
so what you're saying is being like "The games" drags the stories down and makes them overly reliant on action?
Tails is a fighter. The reason I mentioned Bulma is because she's a non combatant, you fricking moron.
It's an example of good writing in the same genre as dragon ball without relying on heavy duty combatants. You brought up dragon ball, i brought up its successor. Eat shit.
I like how you just delete parts of the post you're replying to and try to pretend they didn't happen. Nice to know how many wins I've wracked up so far.
You never supplied that second definition for Mary-Sue. (because you were making shit up)
I almost feel sorry for you. You're clearly very bad at this and only doing it because you're addicted to fighting online, but you can't fricking manage to do anything with it. The best you got is flooding threads and saying richmonk and rally4sally. I'm surprised you're still in these threads. The only thing you're good at is bumping the thread close to its post limit. No one ever agrees with you, you never win arguments. You just come off as looking like an autistic sperg every single time.
>so what you're saying is being like "The games" drags the stories down and makes them overly reliant on action?
The games are the games and most fans of them like them the way they are, which is why most anyone who likes the games was put off by pre-Ian Archie. Ian's run on Archie focused on action a lot of the time and it was usually weaker when it didn't, like the romance and politics that ruined Archie but had to be in there still since it was an established part of the continuity.
>Tails is a fighter.
Without machines, he hasnt done much fighting since 06.
>The reason I mentioned Bulma is because she's a non combatant
She used machine guns in her first appearance. Just like Tails her fight involvement diminished over time but they still both serve a relatively similar role.
>You never supplied that second definition for Mary-Sue.
A different anon brought that up which is why I didn't reply to that.
most fans like different games and constantly complain about the ones they don't like, you dumb shit. most people who liked the games read the fricking archie books because they weren't zoomers raised on meta era garbage. ian's bad at writing dialog and character because he's not a very tallented writer. mike gallagher could write better content than he could. you zoomers are just pretending to understand what the first two eras of sonic were like at the time, but you're fricking clueless.
Yes and people fricking hate the stories of the meta era games and their use of the characters.
Oh my god you don't know shit about bulma. you're grasping at straws. she uses machine guns for GAGS involving friendly characters. she doesn't actually FIGHT ANYONE.
"Every time I frick up it's a different anon, even though if you go through the posts backwards you can see that i brought up mary-sue thing" Nice backflip escape, schizo. (do you know how to see post id's to tell when people are samegayging? most people don't!)
I literally only stated I wasn't the Mary Sue anon, it's not like I'm not taking credit for the other replies I've made to you. If you want to bring up post IDs then go ahead, show me where they say me and them were the same replier.
>most fans like different games and constantly complain about the ones they don't like
And they still prefer the stories to be closer to the games they like, not melodrama and ripoffs of star wars and israeli history.
>ian's bad at writing dialog and character because he's not a very tallented writer.
Subjective.
>mike gallagher could write better content than he could.
Mike writes more like Colors with all the references and memey dialogue.
Sally just needs to be a confident tomboy who butts heads with Sonic and tries to think her way out of problems and help the others. That's not hard to reinvent while still maintaining, dumbfrick.
You are listing traits characters already have. Sally is not needed. Confident tomboy? Amy's not the full article, but she's close. Butt heads with Sonic? Knuckles. Thinks out of problems and helps others? Tails. Get out of town.
>Sally acting as an older sister to Classic Amy and giving her someone to look up to like Tails does with Sonic.
Sounds forced and unnecessary.
>IDW in general is lacking in female interactions that aren't about being lesbians...
Never mind, you're just a moronic shitposter.
Tekno should be made canon.
>Silver, Blaze, Marine, and Cream
It's shit. At least the porn will look good.
Can we please just not bicker each other for bickering's sake? You guys are doing this again for the thousandth time for all the history here. It's fine to argue if you'd like or not a certain character or more to come back, but do it in a calm manner.
The duality of man.
You're right, let's just agree on what the best aspects of the franchise are instead of liking different things. Go ahead anon, list the objectively best aspects that no one could argue against.
Who was in the wrong here?
Fiona, but the Ride has taught me that Sonic is at fault as well.
He certainly didn't help, since he fricked Fiona and strung her along as part of a deluded attempt to "help" Tails get over his feelings for an older girl. Seriously, what the frick Sonic. Just talk shit through.
He romanced an evil robot copy of her younger self, and so he then fell in love with the real one when she showed up.
>He romanced an evil robot copy of her younger self, and so he then fell in love with the real one when she showed up.
Well then it sounds like Tails is at fault.
>fell in love with
*was infatuated with the idea of
I forgot, why did Tails like Fiona?
Everyone was in the wrong in this scenario, tails was wrong for thinking he had a chance with fiona just because he was in love with a robotic child version of her, when the original was a teenager and he was a child reaching to preteen, sonic for being a douche and dating her so tails could forget her, and fiona because she was a wolf in sheep disguise because she was actually bad and only interested in scourge, the slap in general was mean from her part because tails only wanted her to stay good but she slapped him, so he could learn you can trust nobody.
You know it's bad when SCOURGE is probably the most innocent one in that scenario.
Well to be fair, fiona was second timing with scourge when she was actually dating sonic, So no one is really innocent in that scenario.
Is it second timing when they're the same?
Also Scourge himself is a cheater
His the same character but for a different universe so, is a different dude, that and sonic and scourge personalities are totally different even if they are the same person.
Sonic, Tails and Fiona
The frick?
It’s not wrong at all to love someone. It’s not wrong to have feelings. It is wrong to betray your friends/“brothers”. How the frick is Tails possibly at fault for Sonic being a self-centred ungrateful douche?
He’s not. Sonic was entirely at fault for that horrible shit and nobody else.
>It’s not wrong at all to love someone. It’s not wrong to have feelings.
It is if you are a guy.
Is not bad to like someone anon,the thing with tails is, he tried anyway when fiona explicitly said to him she wasn't interested at all in him. You can't make someone fall in love with you just because, specially if the're not interested in you at all.
Is like a 10 years old having puppy love with a 20 years old, of course the adult is not going to be interested in the kid, unless the adult is a degenerate.
But fiona had her own evil agenda, was second timing with scourge and sonic was a douche for thinking dating her would stop tails for trying and failing miserably.
Everyone was wrong in that scenario, but sonic was the worst for thinking in such a stupid and douchy idea.
Did the Archie sonic comics ever get collected?
They were, but penders legal issues got archie to stop new compilation releases, they were called sonic archives biut the last compilation, just reached to sonic #88 to #91 the last one was released in February of 2015.
Don't forget about the sonic universe arc compilations volumes, they reached at scourge lockdown wich was #29 to #32 until they were canceled for the same reasons in august of 2014
Do you guys think ian will finally release Lost Hedgehog Tales after IDW get cancelled or will this shit be on a paywall ?
It's a never ever. He probably wants to believe he'll be able to adapt the stories in some way someday.
Again, no proof I'm that guy aside from inane conclusions you drew from your own wish for everyone arguing with you to be one person.
>the death egg is literally a ripoff of star wars, super sonic is a ripoff of super saiyan, Sonic 2's mecha sonic is a ripoff of mecha godzilla (including the upgraded version in the tube). SA2 is one of the most beloved stories in the franchise and it's extreme melodrama.
All ripoffs of action franchises so you admit the stories should be action oriented, yes including SA2 because all the drama is saved for the last 20 minutes as it's all action before then.
Based arguing autists keeping this thread alive while the other one is about to drop off.
>She's not even alive!
She flies super fast in her light ball form.
>all that she can manage is to get knocked down by echidnas
She's actually strong but hates fighting. Now who hasn't played the games?
I figured out why you only reply to the first sentence or so in a paragraph, because your text translator has a character limit, and because you can't read what you're pasting over, you don't realize how much of the paragraph isn't getting translated! You're JUST a fricking brazilian or some fricking indian homosexual. That's why your arguments are so fricking garbage and low grade, you literally don't understand fricking english and have trouble with anything that's longer than a hundred or so characters! Holy shit this is funny as frick. You won't see this part of my post because I put it so far down in the paragraph but goddamn, archie hater homosexual exposed as the biggest homosexual in the thread.
>Alright everyone, here's the other Sonic thread. Be sure to make sure nobody still has any of the metal virus on them.
I'd like to point out that today was the day where lewdposting got the last laugh over farnsworth posting. You were too slow farnsworth poster, better luck next thread!
I WAS FRICKING THERE BUT GOT SCREWED OVER BY TWO THREADS MADE AT THE SAME TIME
Genuinely sorry to hear that, I've enjoyed your thread finishers. Still, it was nice to win just this once.
I was going to curse the zeti for being boring and forced jobbers.
You'll win next time Farnsworth, your posts always put a smile on my face.
Oh yeah, I was waiting for him to show up but he never did
And it was a sex flipped Sonic.
You don't get to see that very often on the ride with all the twink and Rotor thirsting.
Is this just the post-IDW thread Discord server now?
>sex flipped
No eyelashes so it's just hot boy Sonic.
>No eyelashes so it's just hot boy Sonic.
Before you say that mascara is guyliner I see no bulge, only rockin' breasts.
Those are his pecs
When is Eggman Nega showing up in IDW?
>When is [REDACTED] showing up in IDW?
https://twitter.com/BumbleKast/status/1537072438499938305
Sally, Bunnie, Rotor, Mutski, and Scratch are probably showing up in a Classic Sonic one shot in a year or two, if Ian has anything to say about it.
Sega is still gonna cuck him.
no reason to think that. this probably gives him a solid enough pitch to get access to JUST the characters in spinball, since those could be argued as being versions of these characters that are established as part of the classic brand, which means he could use THEM, but he can't include antoine, snively, chuck, nicole, dulcy, lupe, naugus, grounder, or other versions of robotnik. Because Spinball's island as depicted as existing in classic sonic's world, it means that he can extend that to anything that was in spinball, which would mean those characters as well as shit like the fricking blue guys that jump on the fricking furnace blower things in table 2.
It's probably more to do with Sega mandates making really strict rules about characters being restricted to only showing up in one brand at a time, and not necessarily avoiding archie shit specifically.
You're getting your hopes too high like, Ian. Sega has to reason to oblige to that.
people used to think mighty and ray would never be back and here we are!
Mighty and Ray existed as game character. The characters Ian are existing for were never established in the games, they are from a cartoon. Ian might as well begging for Sonic X characters.
the characters had game iterations in a game that is established as part of the classic sonic canon. nothing about that cartoon has to matter. (I know it's you, you're making the same arguments you made before and you're doing it in the exact same way. Your translator doesn't see very far down the paragraph so you won't see this callout lol. i wonder if attaching a sally picture to this post will trigger you?)
it can be a one off. spinball isn't a complicated thing to adapt. you just reference levels and work some characters into a story where sonic gets separated from tail and winds up in the toxic sewers.
>I know it's you, you're making the same arguments you made before and you're doing it in the exact same way.
Probably because it IS me? I already refuted you the first time.
>one off
Ian won't be satisfied with that. If he gets the nod from Sega then he will go to IDW to get something more. I see his plan, his steps, his goal. He's been slowly making progress but the approvals may never come. But he has a chance.
That can't be, shitposters told me he actually secretly hates the FFs and could have added them this whole time but chose not to.
If it does get approved by Sega, the next hurdle would be getting IDW to agree to a classic ongoing or mini. That's going to be a thing we'll see with the publisher as a whole later this year.
>no reason to think that.
Anon, I...
Do you WANT the Zone Cops to nuke the threads?
>Zone Cops doing their jobs.
Hey, they take [REDACTED] pretty seriously.
>you replied to the first sentence in a few of my points because your translator doesn't do whole paragraphs
What are you even babbling about, schizo?
FEET
The average Sonic fan is actually like this
Anon, you sound insane.
>basic pattern recognition is insane
I don't care who's who and I'm not reading all that shit. Don't continue it. Go have some fun.
Now that we've come to the end of the Metal Virus saga, I feel the pull to start reading ahead.
Just be ready for the comic to never reach the levels of Metal Virus. It really is the peak of IDW and the comic kind of shambles about afterwards.
And miss out on the social aspect of reading with others and getting to react in real time with everyone else?
>and 90% fetishes.
And what do you call pansexual, to being bisexual, to being a femboy, to being trans?
I keep sexualities and fetishes separate. There's a difference to Sonic changing his gender and being stepped on by a giant barefoot Tails rendered in SFM models.
It's interesting to see Sonic go from being flirty with everyone, to being bisexual, to being a femboy, to being trans. It's definitely something I've seen mostly on tumblr. Twitter seems to favor gay Sonic more. Deviantart is all over the place but mostly Sonamy or Sonadow. Furaffinity is cursed and 90% fetishes.
>is cursed
You say that like InkBunny doesn't exist.
No I'm not going to get an account to check what it does.
I only got an account for Ardan Norgate. Some accounts are fine but definitely degenerate but most of that site... I'm probably on a watchlist now seeing what goes on there.
>Twitter seems to favor gay Sonic more.
You mean Sonic in general or character? Cause Twitter is absolutely the worse when it comes to those conversions, specially this month.
In total, every Sonic character available becomes every letter of the woke abc possible, meanwhile the worst possible crackships thrive.
The worst part is that unlike FA and IB (where they are changed for porn's sake, and everyone knows that), Twitter folk unironically pretend their headcanons have validity and are unable to admit it is because it turns them on.
I just try to ignore it for the most part, they're poor refugees from Tumblr after all! Anyway, the performative wokeness is just to hide the fact that LGBs are the real chads of the alphabet soup.
>There's variations of Sonic but I've seen quite a few that explicitly state Sonic is trans.
Fair enough, there is a lot of Sonic smut out there of all shapes and sizes. Nowykowski7's isn't though, but if I posted the image explaining it, I'd probably get sent to the Mandatory Vacation Zone.
Yeah, he's written better in game with guys than with Amy for the most part. That, and the fandom has a lot of fujos. Boom does a good job of Sonamy though.
>He's not trans though, in that case he's a male with male secondary characteristics and personality, no breasts, but a vulva. So he's intersex/andromorph.
There's variations of Sonic but I've seen quite a few that explicitly state Sonic is trans.
There's a little bit of everything on every platform but from my experience, people really like shipping Sonic with other guys.
>people really like shipping Sonic with other guys
Probably because he avoids pussy like the plague.
>Probably because he avoids pussy like the plague
Does he though? As far as I remember, Amy is the sole pussy he rans away from.
Admittedly, I prefer him with men, but he does at least like girls. It's only Amy he runs away from. He's been various levels of flirty with Blaze, Shahra and Merlina. He also had Madonna, a human girlfriend, in the design stage. It's mostly because he values his independence and Amy comes on too strong. He did agree to go on a date with her at the end of Unleashed, but was sucked into Camelot just as he had bought them both chili-dogs.
>I prefer Sonic with men
Why?
Honest question.
Mostly because I prefer men, and think he has much better interactions with characters like Shadow and Knuckles than he does with Amy in the games. It's also easier to self insert as a guy fricking Sonic than a grill. He can work well with girls though, like Amy in Boom and Sally in Archie (sometimes).
He's wind-sexual and you know it!
Remember the Sally slap and why she did it? Or how Sonic handled being a family man in the future Mobius comics? He likes girls, but I think he hates the idea of officially committing to a girl and settling down. It'll put a lot of restrictions on one's lifestyle.
Most of the stuff was editorial wanting relationship drama. And King Sonic lost his family and the first thing he did when he got back with Sally was knock her up again. The only reason he wasn't entirely happy in the future was because all the threats were gone and it was peaceful. From the very beginning for SatAM and Archie, Sonic and Sally were endgame. It's just that writers and editors wanted to complicate it and ship each of them with others.
>The only reason he wasn't entirely happy in the future was because all the threats were gone and it was peaceful.
And then when a threat finally does appear, his kids take care of it like it's nothing.
>From the very beginning for SatAM and Archie, Sonic and Sally were endgame. It's just that writers and editors wanted to complicate it and ship each of them with others.
And then the final writer gets his way and makes Sonic sexless and Sally a lesbian, just like they were always meant to be.
>always no way gay's amy
>always likes hanging out and pestering his rivals and enemies who are almost always males
Game Sonic definitely doesn't do himself any favors if he ever claims to be straight. I know some are fine with him being asexual. Just a guy hanging out, having fun, and not being interested in getting laid. Of course the west has no problem showing him liking girls. Sonic Boom being the only time Amy had a chance.
>Twitter, Tumblr fujos and the like pretending Sonic is anything but an hetero cis male hedgehog
I fricking hate this fandom so much...
Well, given we somehow reached the topic... the first time I saw Rouge's alternate costume in SA2B, she immediately reminded me so much of Poison (from Final Fight and Street Fighter), and given that the two's mannerisms being similar... well, brain did a very specific association that never left my head.
Since then, the idea has only grown on my head to the point I can't think of Rouge without thinking she's packing some big israeliteels of her own down her pants... if you get my drift.
>mfw Rouge is hiding a 20 inches long dick along a pair of balls of proportional size to her breats in those hotpants
Why is this funny? And hot?
>Rouge is actually a dude
>Knuckles is actually a girl
Not sure how we ended up here... but truly I love it
>Rouge is a sultry bisexual twink who hits on both fem-Knuckles and Shadow
I need porn of this and I need it now!
Who takes commissions?
>Good one from the last thread was Sally acting as an older sister to Classic Amy and giving her someone to look up to like Tails does with Sonic.
Infantilizing Amy just for the sake of propping up Sally would piss off people, she's fine the way she is. Plus, Tails already handles what Sally would probably by doing if they're even allowed to use Nicole.
>Classic is really lacking in female reps
Honey's on the table and there's nothing stopping them from making new characters either. Not that they really need to anyway.
>IDW in general is lacking in female interactions that aren't about being lesbians...
Take off your shit-pper glasses then.
Sega giving little crumbs will always lead to disappointment I feel. If the Sega reps didn't get any word about the FF's I doubt a freelancer like Ian would have much leeway. They like him because they feel like he's making Sonic into what they want.
Anon, the fact that Sega told Ian and the others to specifically exclude the FF's and to lay off other spin-off material in the first place should tell you.
Can't SEGA comprehend that people legitimately LIKE the FF?
Besides, they allowed them in the SatAM cartoon and the Archie comics. It's too late to object to them now. Should have put the brakes on SatAM when they had the chance.
>they allowed them in the SatAM cartoon and the Archie comics
If anything, I do wonder how much input SoJ had at the time.
From what I understand, it was mostly them leaving everything to SoA.
Thus the question is: Had they have actual meddling in those times, would any of that even been go past the pitch meeting?
>Besides, they allowed them in the SatAM cartoon and the Archie comics
I mean, they were created for SatAM in the first place with the Archie comics as some kind of promotional piece before it became its own thing.
>It's too late to object to them now.
What has it been, 6-7 years since then? Sega seems to think they're doing good without them.
>Should have put the brakes on SatAM when they had the chance.
I agree, then we'd have be spared of future homosexualry. Maybe they wouldn't have a sour taste when it comes to spin-off media, who knows.
Tails was in love with an evil robot that only got close to him to gain his trust. Imprinting that onto a teenage Fiona and expecting anything to come out of it was moronic and probably came across as creepy to Fiona.
Tails was in love with the real Fiona who he had known for a year while Sonic was in space. Sonic only knew Fiona for a few days and got with her anyway. If it's ok for Sonic to pigheadedly exploit Fiona as his "rebound" after knowing her only a few days, it's ok for Tails to develop love for someone he's known for an entire year.
By your own logic what Sonic did was even less excusable, because Tails knew her for a long time and Sonic didn't know her at all, yet Sonic got with her anyway with no regard at all to how it would crush Tails and no regard to the fact Sonic himself didn't know her in the slightest.
Imagine betraying your supposed best friend over someone you don't even know. Archie Sonic is a piece of shit.
Actually he sounds based, I cuck kids all the time though so I can relate. Are you a kid, by chance?
No, just your Mom’s boyfriend.
She tells me to ask you to get off the computer and lose some weight
>>just your Mom’s boyfriend.
That wouldn't be possible. My mother died giving birth to me.
That must be nice. My mom didn't even give birth to me.
Honestly, the only comeuppance I can think of that’d completely atone for that awful arc would be if Tails started fricking Sally and Amy in revenge. Imagine having to explain that to Takashi Iizuka, lol
Tails and Amy should've been a thing.
Ew, no thanks.
Not for shipping reasons, just that their personalities don't mesh at all
But they both like Sonic and follow him everywhere, except in the future where he's a hobo.
Wasn't your idea that they should be a couple instead of Amy and Sonic? If so they're gonna have to bond over something other than "Sonic is so amazing isn't he?". Especially if it's in Archie.
NTA but Amy has good chemistry with Tails. In fact she has good chemistry with a lot of characters but not so much with Sonic. They've known each other since Sonic CD. In the comics Tails and Amy are kidnapped together. And if you want something that leads to romance, have it so that Amy realizes she no longer has a chance with Sonic but Tails starts manning up and being a more self reliant hero. Or maybe he gets too full of himself like Sonic does and Amy has to jump in to help him and they make a great team. So Amy's love for Sonic just becomes admiration and she realizes that Tails is pretty cute, courageous, and actually returns her affection.
>NTA but Amy has good chemistry with Tails
No she doesn't. Across the entire series they've never even spoken to eachother about something that isn't Sonic.
And your idea is literally just Amy using Tails as aa substitute for Sonic, which neither Tailsgays nor Sonamygays would enjoy
>sonic will never returns amy's feelings
>amy is never allowed to move on
Poor Amy.
Don't worry I'm sure they'll get together for once in Pr-aaahahhHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA
Oh god, sorry, I just couldn't even type that with a straight face. Yeah, it's never gonna happen.
They were supossed to end up together in the future timeline, see this previous post
, honestly it could be an interesting idea to see them together, specially because in archie they had the same phisical and mental age but amy got older because she used a special ring which granted her wish to be older so sonic could be intersted in her.
It could be interesting to see how she falled in love with him, but fans would probably think she used tails to replace sonic like some fans think with mina (which to me is a very simple minded idea, but i guess fandom and masses are like that, they always repeat the opinion of someone else)
But let's be real for a moment here, at the time amy fans were trying to destroy sally for being sonic love interest, (i'm neutral at her, but the shipping autism of some people ar off the charts, we need to understand she was the love interest of sonkc in another universe aside from the game canon) imagine the autism seething rage if she not only ended up with tails, but got knocked up by tails and had a couple of kids in the process.
The rage could be palpable.
>used tails to replace sonic like some fans think with mina
Tails literally acts like Sonic in that future so it makes sense.
He doesn't though. I can't think of a single time he acts like Archie Sonic does.
That doesn't disregard what I said. He actually thought he had a chance with the real Fiona because of the robot meanwhile Fiona was just being nice to a kid.
Also, I know Sonic was a piece of shit, nowhere did I say he was innocent you don't have to harp on about it.
It puts this in a new light after reading Ian's Other M.
? Something like this happened there?
No, Ian just shipped Sonic x Fiona together as the main couple. Though yeah, it was Penders who wrote that issue.
Other M is Ian's fan comic he did before he started writing for Archie. Sonic's mind gets transported to an alternate world where Knuckles is evil and rules the world with Tails and the Chaotix under his command. Sonic starts dating Fiona in that world but she's pretty much Sally, although there is a Sally in that world but they never meet and she dies. But that was Ian's first ship along with Bunnie and Bean. So of course when Fiona goes evil she gets with Scourge. Ian gets his Sonic and Fiona ship and his Sonic and Sally ship. And Tails gets no one.
Barby for me is a strange archie anomaly, when she debuted in archie, she looked like she had the same age as tails, i guess that's why the writers wanted her to he his love interest, but when the comic started to progress some artist didn't knew how to draw her and started to give her a more taller adult body, and funnily enough the artist who drew after him started to do the same, but the attractions for tails stayed and started to look doubtful. Their first meeting wa actually kinda cute when she looked the same age as him.
Yeah it was cute a the time, but some early archie pencillers were really bad at their job just look at the difference between their first meeting and the artist who started to draw her with adult proportions.
Just give me time to post the second image.
This is the other guy, it was strange how she was so infatuated with him at the point even sonic said she was crazy for him but she looked way older thanks to that penciller. It was more funny to know she somehow stayed that way when the comic progressed intstead of fixing the original problem
Easy fix would've been to let Tails grow. Towards the end of the series, most characters were in their late teens. I can see Barby being 2-3 years older, which might make someone like Sonic and Sally raise their eyebrow but ultimately be fine with it. Also, here's more of Barby and Tails getting along. Kind of makes you wonder if the writer and/or artist were fans of plucky boys and daring ladies.
Did Flynn actually do the Sonic/Fiona pairing before it became the official couple in the pre-Flynn Archie comics? I used to think he did it because it happened in the source material, but I never looked into the release dates of those comics.
Fiona starting to date Scourge makes sense. She did have a shady past and some grudges against Sonic, and she only got together with him in the aftermath of Scourge flirting with all the girls while impersonating Sonic. I'm not sure how much Sonic even actually cared for Fiona anyway; they hadn't interacted all that much, and his reason to approach her was pretty dumb. Should've just let Tails ask her out and get rejected.
Sonic is a teen, teens do dumb shit.
Based Ian. Everyone else is autistic for always giving Tails romantic interests.
Li moon existed and was interested in him in the flynn run, so that's a lie. But i guess you are right at the end because she was one of thos characters who got obliterated when lenders legal issues started and the second genesis wave killed a lot of characters.
Li Moon wasn't interested in him, she was a background sneak-in by Yardley who never met him again for more than 3 years of comics, like when he drew Tails blushing over Wave when they met.
Not him but There's literally a full page when she's flirting with him trying to serve him tea, another page of both being playfull when she got soaked when the teapot broke and tails was drying her, and another page of her being shy at the end of the arc when she's giving him a picnic basket when they were saying their goodbyes.
And i'm not saying this with shipping eyes at all.
>characters interact at all ever
>"bros you just don't get it, they are totally into each other"
Uh-huh, keep digging yourself deeper anon. I look forward to seeing your slashfics in later threads.
Those 3 things, which you are describing as much bigger than they were - she wasn't "flirting" with him, just offering him tea, and she wasn't shy, just handing over the picnic basket in the background - were nothing but add-ins by Yardley. Same as when he drew Tails blushing over Wave complimenting his gear, or Tails' Coffee cup lore in IDW.
They weren't intended to be an actual thing, which is why they never met again for the entirety of Reboot.
*Preboot
All this and the slap and Archie characters in IDW, why are the artists always fricking over the comics?
None of that is Tails "deserving" any of this.
Thinking you have a chance isn't wrong. Shooting your shot isn't wrong. Being in love isn't wrong.
Tails wasn't angry at Fiona for rejecting him, he was angry at Sonic for being a treacherous pile of shit.
It's the idea of his "love" that was wrong, he was infatuated with the idea of Fiona and nothing more. It wouldn't have been as serious if not for Sonic complicating things by being a moron and using his idea of "preventing" Tails' heart being broken as an excuse to get over his heartbreak with Sally. That's what you get with shitty drama though.
>Tails wasn't angry at Fiona for rejecting him, he was angry at Sonic for being a treacherous pile of shit.
Okay.
>Thinking you have a chance isn't wrong.
It is when you act as socially inept as Tails was
???
Nothing Tails ever did beforehand was socially inept. He even tried asking her out on a date in the Mina concert story.
>girl acts nice to you
>SHE WANTS THE D
Like I said, socially inept.
Ok I get it now, you never actually read the comics. Thank you for telling me.
The pages are in this very thread anon. Sometimes people are just nice to others.
Like I said, read the comics instead of guessing off of Cinemaphile thumbnails.
Tails wasn't angry at Fiona for rejecting him, he said so himself like twice. He was angry at Sonic for selfishly betraying him.
Yes but the point is he thought he had a chance with Fiona even though she never showed any romantic interest in him because he is socially inept.
, you're a sweet boy and I like you, BUT...
"Go to Hell you little homosexual" would've actually been a far less hurtful thing to say than that.
Yeah, you just don't get it. Next time you feel like sharing your cancerous opinions, please don't hesitate to keep it to yourself.
>I agree, then we'd have be spared of future homosexualry.
Giga-based.
>Can't SEGA comprehend that people legitimately LIKE the FF?
Is it at all possible that the FF fans are just an extremely vocal minority and don't truly represent a demographic that's worth courting?
>before going under the "golden era of Archie Sonic" only sold ~5000 copies per issue
No...
No. Not at all
Indeed, it's not possible because it's certain.
You're wrong. Respect the feelings of others
Funny how your "others" always means "me".
That's a Archiehomosexual. Of course they are all like this. Notice that only they are the ones to make up all the drama around them, shield themselves against everyone telling rightfully of being tired of their malarkey, and finally, they provoke everyone with "muh feelings".
Literally, all the bad things of this fandom can be traced back to them. I'm not kidding. Talk about getting addicted over some irrelevant side-media noncanon literal fanfiction shit.
Don't bother asking anon
And time, time again, Archiehomosexuals prove themselves as easily vincible, pathetic, delusional literal cry babies. The entire thread has only gotten to bump limit because of one singular Hispanic Archiecuck who's deluded enough to think he knows better than actual Sonic visual consistency designing parameters that only SEGA knows, and for a good reason.
And they wonder how come they got their shaky awful reputation for decades. Imagine my shock to know they would be this much of obnoxious moronic morons, since they are obsessed with some uncanon fanfiction shit that went on for way too long.
Lol. Good thing SEGA finally curbstomped the FFs. Beyond that they were always useless and never fit into Sonic, they only attract the worst kind.
This.
There was more off topic shit than actual Archie discussion. You basically just shit up the thread and declared victory over a strawman you made up.
>vincible
FYI, vincible hasn't been used much in modern English since the late 1700s, and was only really popular in the late 1600s.
Chaos radiation obviously!
Will Sonic find the One Piece?
He already got the stretchy arms, although that's only when he's a werehog.
Nightmare Luffy
Super sonic gear 5 when?
No, he can't swim to save his life.
That logic didn't stopped luffy for trying, and he's actually one of the most known pirates in current time in one piece story.
Before you anons start bickering again, let me point out that a good number of posts earlier this thread are missing for some reason.
Are you talking about the pajeet that got butthurt when anon called him out for using google translate and not knowing anything about the franchise except for his intense hatred of Sally?
Weird that a bunch of posts get deleted the moment trannies flood in and start talking about how trans and frickable every 14 year old sonic character is.
Archiegays can't handle IDW CHADS' power. Y'all too busy talking about relationship drama between animal children instead lmao.
Most of the posts werent even about archie, idiot. The pajeet was just an archie hating autist who couldnt stop talking about it.
>Most of the posts werent even about archie
They were about Sonic though and archie isn't the only comic
If you don't want to check the archives, you can use the userscript Cinemaphile GhostPostMixer to see them in thread. It works with Cinemaphile X, and makes for very comfy viewing. It's about 50/50 schizos arguing and me talking about lewd things.
God i hate the way they draw the characters so fricking much. It’s almost as bad as sonic the comic for me.
Me too I freakin hate on model art. Where are the mega milkers and le thicc thighs? This kids media needs to be made for mature adults like me!
The first problem is their model sheets are fricking ugly as sin. The second problem is that sonic was always going off model. Sonic cd and sonic riders are super off model and people love them. Even sonic 2 used the american mohawk style for certain frames on sonic and even for the design of silver mecha sonic. Fast forward to the 3d games and every single game until unleashed had a different art style and they were all good. The shittiest thing about meta era sonic is the homogenous design. I was fricking bored when frontiers JUST looked like forces again. New art styles make something more memorable and give it a fresh identity.
>New art styles make something more memorable and give it a fresh identity.
...Except when Archie does it. Got it.
Archie always had different artists bring their own style to the books until yardley came in and made everything conform to his shitty ugly style where sonic looks like a dreamworks frick. It looks fricking cheap to boot. He muzzled better artists like spaz and butler just to “keep things on model” imagine if cd or riders were forced to stay “on model”. What a stupid fricking thing to want.
People actually like Spaz and Butler? Spaz does an ok knockoff classic style sometimes but everyone I know made fun of Butler for drawing human bodies with Sonic heads.
Y’know who has a human body with a sonic head? I’ll give you a guess (and no, redesigned sonic team racing model sheets that would be unable to replicate her old art and designs in past games dont count)
Human arms aren't that big anon. If yours are you should probably see a doctor.
Human arms can look all sorts of ways depending on the art style. Ever hear of a guy called megaman?
Megaman is a robot.
Not all megamen are robots. Ashe is a full blooded human. (Even dr wily and light had weird proportions!)
Those are just big sleeves not big hands.
The hands are still huge, and again: panty and stocking. (Oh look what i found, incredible!)
Just post Oshima's humans in Billy Hatcher and Balan Blunderland, it's literally Sonic styled humans and proves the point even better than examples from other franchises.
But I thought Sonic doesn't have a set style?
I don't know what humans should look like in classic aside drom OVA's generic anime style of the time but Oshima's stuff looks the closest to modern style since Unleashed Sonic.
Megaman's art style proportions applied to humans too until the X series.
>Ashe is a full blooded human.*
Needs an asterisk since she's a humanoid.
She’s a human, so was Ceil. Yknow who has weird proportions despite being a human? The kids from balan wonderworld. I could probably throw a fricking dart at my gaming collection and hit a series with humans that have weird shaped hands.
I wasn't bringing up the humanoid thing because of proportions, just because in ZX the humans are all augmented. Ciel technically is too despite being actually human, just mentally since she was made to be super smart.
Ceil isnt augmented. Neither is neige. Are you just pulling this out of your ass???? I could just go to the fricking other shit the artist has drawn. Your gripes are so fricking pedantic lol.
>Ceil isnt augmented.
I said "technically" for a reason. I guess a better term would be genetically enhanced but I didn't think you would be such a moronic sperg about it.
>According to the "Mega Man Zero Official Complete Works" source book, Ciel is a product of Neo Arcadia's technological advancements, which is what allowed her to attain such a high level of knowledge at such a young age.
There, since you apparently weren't aware of her background at all.
>I could just go to the fricking other shit the artist has drawn.
What the frick does this shit have to do with anything? Are you moronic?
>Your gripes are so fricking pedantic lol.
Look who is fricking talking.
Because “megaman is a robot durhurhur” was the fricking complaint in the first place that anon used as an excuse to get away from his moronic post about rouge arms. You wanting to have a debate about what really constitutes a human in the middle of a fricking sonic thread is unnecessary to the core argument.
Which is why I wasn't going to make a big deal about it until you pushed the issue. You said Ashe was a full-blooded human which was a lie because humanoids have reploid parts installed and reploids in that time have human parts installed, got corrected, then got mad and proved yourself to know even less of what you were talking about than you had previously let on, got told again, and are now trying to end it now that you've fully embarassed yourself. I didn't even want this part of the discussion to happen, you did this to yourself.
Really now
Generations model has more human proportions.
Rouge’s proportions changed dramatically between SA2, Heroes, 06, and Riders. She was always much more of a stylized human bodyshape with a bat head.
She has the same general proportions as everyone else, the only difference is enhanced chest and thighs because the 90s were a different time.
Rouge wasnt a 90’s character you fricking bafoon. God i hate zoomers. (Generations is her most recent style model and she has an extremely buxom body type with visible ass crack and breasts)
She's an honorary 90s character and the earliest 2000s was honorarily a different time.
No she isn’t. You’re fricking moronic. SA1 was 1999. Just admit you didnt fricking check when SA2 came out and stop making excuses for your moronicry.
>Just admit you didnt fricking check when SA2 came out
No lol. The early 2000s are part of the 90s, deal with it :^)
No they’re not. 2002 was a very different time. Games and culture had already radically changed by that point as a result of technological advancement, cultural evolution, the bush era, and 9/11. You’re just trying to hide behind “cute excuses” because you fricked up. (And you’re dodging the core point that rouge’s more human proportions continued through all the games not based on sonic heroes)
Her more human proportions are just slightly thicker legs and bigger boobs, her overall anatomy is still no different than any other Sonic character.
Wrong. I didnt know that amy had a fricking ass crack. Oh wait she doesnt! Tyson hessie redesigned rouge to try to force her to look more like amy’s body style, but when you put his version of rouge next to any other game’s rouge art or models, it’s clear how fricking in acurate this idea is. Rouge has a body shape that could easily be mapped out to a skeleton and musculature. Amy is hard to draw in an anatomical mindset because she was designed to be wirey limbs coming out of a small pear shaped body. You can’t give amy anatomy without modifying her design, but rouge naturally follows anatomical rules of art and anyone familar with drawing human characters can easilt slip right into drawing rouge.
You dont know what any of that means though, do you?
>Oh wait she doesnt!
How do you know? It's covered by her skirt. You wouldn't loom up a 12 year old's skirt, would you?
I jack off to amy non fricking stop. (Sega constantly gives us a look up her panties and its just sticks coming out of a circle)
Artists dont just draw the clothes. They draw the body first and then draw the clothes ontop of that as a guide.
>Sega constantly gives us a look up her panties and its just sticks coming out of a circle
A circle wearing panties so you don't see anything.
>They draw the body first and then draw the clothes ontop of that as a guide.
The bad ones don't.
t. beg
She doesn’t always wear them
You really want to use classic characters as examples when this is about Rouge who is a modern character?
I’m using relevant elements. Amy is designed as being a bean with wires coming out of it. Rouge is designed to have anatomy and an actual body. People keep using moronic dodges and i keep showing them how moronic and wrong they are.
No one wants to admit theyre wrong on the internet, it’s easier for them to just change the subject or whatever.
>No one wants to admit theyre wrong on the internet, it’s easier for them to just change the subject or whatever.
At least you admit that's why you jumped to classic Amy when you realized the only difference between SA1 Amy and Rouge is Rouge's legs and chest being bigger.
Oh you’re pajeet. You’re just clipping out the first sentence because your translator doesnt translate the whole post.
I already explained how you’re wrong. I’ll make the sentences separated ao your google translator picks them all up!
Rouge currently has full anatomy from shoulders to an ass crack that visibly runs seamlessly into her legs.
Amy you can’t draw using anatomical rules without changing her design. Her limbs don’t make sense with how they connect to her body if you try.
Rouge, on the other hand, can perfectly be adapted to if you know how to draw a person. She follows all the same rules.
Tyson Hessie’s sonic team racing model sheets redesigned the character and wouldn’t be a viable guideline to duplicate her old designs at all.
Rouge follows anatomical rules in her design, amy doesn’t.
It’s very awkward to try to draw amy or sonic if you’re used to drawing peopls, but Rouge is easy to draw because she follows the norms of art and anatomy.
Rouge is more than “bigger legs and chest”. The way her limbs and body work are human adjacent, whereas amy’s arent.
You clearly dont understand the first thing about art or drawing. You’re just copying someone else’s argument. You don’t know shit.
>You’re just clipping out the first sentence because your translator doesnt translate the whole post.
I thought your pajeet thing was about leaving out the last part of each post. You're so desperate to make this pajeet meme a thing. Anyway since you obviously have no intent on actually discussing anything I guess I'll stop here. It was nice while it lasted, shitposter.
Pajeet runs away as soon as he runs out of excuses in his bag of tricks. No brain on those shit people. They make terrible sonic fans.
If i wanted to talk about character personalities i wouldnt do so in the barren wasteland of bad writing that is the fricking sonic franchise. I’d do it in something that has actual fricking good writing like one piece, ranking of kings, spy x family, jojo, kipo, american dad, kaiji, and so on. Sonic hasn’t had good writing since sonic adventure 2.
>one piece, ranking of kings, spy x family, jojo, kipo, american dad, kaiji, and so on.
Holy mother of normalhomosexualry! You have no business talking about characters anywhere, kek!
>calling american dad normal gayging
You’re in a fricking sonic thread and you’re trying to pick on the king that is one piece? Okay why dont you tell me about the complex fricking case that is jet the fricking hawk lol.
Zoomer Sonic fans are bottom of the barrel garbage.
Pfffhahaha
>F-Family Guy but as a government agent is so le n-niche you guys! One Piece is g-good because it's p-popular!
Holy kek! Never act like you have good taste again. Jet is cool because he's an butthole and has the skill to back it up and he's way the frick better than that normalhomosexual garbage you just acted like we should respect you for namedropping.
Imagine being this much of a homosexual that you think american dad is family guy.
american dad, one of the best written family sitcoms of all time
Oh but you have a bad of pre-ready opinions do do all your thinking for you, so do go on.
*a bag of pre-ready
>american dad, one of the best written family sitcoms of all time
You actually thinking this is funnier than any joke from that Family Guy 2.0 show lmao!
>Oh but you have a bad of pre-ready opinions do do all your thinking for you, so do go on.
This is some prime unadulterated projection, straight from the shit heap that is your brain. Tell the class anon, do you always make a habit to embarass yourself with your bad taste in Sonic threads rather than talk about Sonic except to say how bad you think it is compared to your favorite normalgay shows? Or is today just my lucky day? I want to know if you're the gift that keeps on giving or if this gravy train of humor is coming to a stop any time soon.
Get some culture, swine.
Sorry anon but pop culture and actual culture are two different things. You'll understand when you're older!
“Now if you’ll excuse me i have to argue about childrens comic books”
Childrens comics books with more interesting characters and history than, what was it? Family Guy, FOTM anime, and the most popular normalgay manga this side of DBZ? Yeah, I'll take Sonic any day of the week.
>since when is kaiji flavor of the month?
Recently, vicariously through Squid Game. But it was FOTM back when it came out due to the funny style and edgy shit happening.
Kaiji is a classic long running fricking manga. The fricking anime started in 2007 and season 2 was 2011 so you REALLY are just bullshitting because you blurted out a half formed thought out of your ass.
Dude no one cares about it anymore. The garbage movies killed it.
The movies are live action, no one cares about those. They care about the original series. (Imagine thinking that the live action jojo movies invalidate jojo)
Hahaha no no anon please don't tell me you're a Jojonormalgay on top of all the other shit, it's just too much! Can you see it? There it goes! The last shred of respect I had for you.
I was into jojo back in 2006 when it was just a manga, an ova, and a fighting game, homosexual.
Zoomers reallt dont understand how time works.
Yeah kid, sure you were. You and everyone else who started in the 2010s when it became a huge meme series lmao.
I was modding dio into mugen back when ragnarok online was the hot shit, zoomer. I was there when bleach and naruto turned into fricking garbage. I watched yuyu hakusho on adult swim uncensored, my first anime breasts were ryoko’s from tenchi muyo ep 4, i watched slayers, slayers next, AND slayers try, i watched dragon ball gt subbed in japanese on tech tv, and i saw sailor moon for the first time on upn. I grew up with flintstones, simpsons, speed racer, and scooby doo. My first videogame was donkey kong on an arcade cabinet in a bar my mom took me to.
Ah shit I wish I cared enough about my image to peruse forum posts and find something that makes me look like some hecking epic oldgay, unfortunately I'll just have to settle for feeling comfortable and secure about how much I appreciate the Sonic franchise.
“I have nothing so i’ll just say you stole all of your accurate cred from…random forum posts!!!”
Pajeet is on a roll with the moron excuses. He can’t imagine an actual 35 year old is fricking his ass over and over in a sonic thread.
You zoomers have never seen weeble’s stuff and that makes me fricking depressed.
Anon you are literally trying your damndest to sound like some super cool oldgay when none of it even matters compared to people in this thread who like Sonic and are cool with just talking about that. Maybe you have some mad cred on other boards but here you're just some punk normalgay who cares too much if he looks cool.
Imagine liking Jojo, and not the totally superior Diesel, by Image Comics!
>Seth mcfarlane related
>best written anything of all time
This is one of those time i really want you to shitpost because if this is actually your opinion your quality taste in writing is kinda low.
It actually baffles me how that guy actually have too much projects, because almost all his content is the same.
Seth macfarlene and his team were pulled off the show after season 1 and a much better creative team took over. All seth provides is voices. He doesn’t have any real involvement with the show and its all the better for it
>jacks off to the worst character in the franchise
Power move
I dont care about their personalities, i care about how horny they make me
Because sega is a games company and you keep making moronic points that are easy to counter by zooming out even just a little bit.
>PORN AND VIDEO GAMES
Go back
Are zoomers really this afraid of their own hormones? Holy shit no wonder you homosexuals all keep transitioning! You poor fricks!
>all threads should have porn discussion because...they just should, ok???
If you were actually unironically mature, you would care about the characters and their personalities.
>rent free troony shit out of nowhere
Yup it's a Cinemaphile kid. Always eager to be as obvious as possible.
Lol spoken like a true sex-negative incel. Plenty of sonic characters are designed to be hot. Stop being a homosexual lol. Having a dick and making it hard is perfectly natural and part of god’s plan.
>Plenty of sonic characters are designed to be hot.
And they were also created with personalities which is a large part of their appeal in conjunction with everything else about them. You only see them as hot because you only think with your dick.
J. Axer was probably the only decent penciller archie had in the dark era. Too bad he quit a furry artist, his sonic art was cool, i always remember his special page with sonic along all the archie aliens, i always remember the cute lizard western alien.
>*he quit to be a sonic artist
Sorry
Frick, he quit sonic to be a furry artist.
Once again sorry.
They had plenty of great pencillers, but zoomers like you wouldn’t understand since you didnt actually read it as it came out, you just borrowed opinions from threads, discord, and sonictubers.
Why are you assuming everyone here is a zoomer, i read those comics since the first 4 special issues.
The guy just said, axer was the most decent, i can't say spaz count because while he drew interiors in the first issues and specials. He specializes in covers more at current time.
I can say too they were talented pencillers in ther dark era but axer was the one who highlighted more.
He kinda losed quality in his drawings when sonic started to have his adventure artstyle, he was good at drawing classic sonic but his modern sonci style is not the same.
>Sega constantly gives us a look up her panties and its just sticks coming out of a circle
I'm positive that pantyshots being legal must be part of the Japanese Constitution
Spaz is one of the best artists to ever draw sonic and butler was extremely talented and was able to consistently turn out well drawn and highly detailed panels. There’s more to list, but the point is every good artist during older archie was better at drawing than yardley and people point to the handful of bad artists as “proof” that allowing for artistic freedom is somehow a bad thing. (And yet those same idiots don’t apply this to anything else, weird!!)
Gotta agree with Yardley on this one.
Jesus christ i hate yardley’s art
It was an advantage when sega didn't care about the comic at the time, characters could he more expressive, the only other example i can think about sega censoring archie was the panel when sonic was sobbing at tails for losing his family, blaming himself.
Tracy was a master of expressions in his early years at archie.
Tracy is good with expressions but his biggest problem was sameface, so if a character had an expression for one emotion another character would have that same face for that expression more often than not.
Because they were autistic spats, one of them was extremely spergy with his long winded "I'm smarter than you moron" posts.
Probably because the other guy kept proving that the smarter guy was smarter than him.
Remember when JenHen managed to sneak her entire collection of porn OCs into IDW?
lol
That was pretty based of her. Does she still work on the comic? I feel like it's mostly been the main trio of ABT, Yardley, and Stan Lee since then.
She quit when IDW started asking her to give them discounts when she was already working off commission
>IDW started asking her to give them discounts
Cheap bastards
2/4
3/4
You could probably go either way with it to be honest. It's nothing too solid but if you wanted to believe in shipping them it's good enough for a start.
>Sonic sitting alone at the end of the table
>him and Tails are the only ones laughing at his joke
Poor guy has had better days.
It does look like shipping bait to me.
man, i really miss pre-reboot ian flynn era, he and Tracy were the best team comoc duo, someone remember the...
>I GOT YOUR LIMIT RIGHT HERE!
... Moment?
eggman obliterating knothole and sonic losing was something impactful in that issue. I was at the edge of my chair at the time.
Frick! what a great archie comic moment! makes it more sweet when he confronted eggman at the end of the arc when he started to get into madness.
She looks like she's interested in him, but only works because she's ogling him at the start of the pages, the tails drying her and the picnic basket scene are cute too.
Can't say is official but it obviously have shipping bait intends.
It's subtle shipping bait, but it was done by Yardley, the artist. It doesn't have a place in the story.
And unfortunately what an artist likes to draw doesn't matter much when the author of the story, Flynn, is against it.
>it was done by Yardley, the artist. It doesn't have a place in the story.
It would if he included it in the issues he wrote.
He is such a good writer, pirate plunder panic is one of my favorites archie arcs, i remember he wrote too the babylon rogues arc.
That babylon one was a favorite of mine. Of course I was going through each series separately so before I read Universe I had no idea why there was a huge hole in the middle of town.
Yardley didn't write the issue, Flynn did.
Yardley just likes to add-in small background details of ideas he specifically has, like his headcanon of Tails sponsoring a coffee business in IDW.
Ian didn't have any intention of pairing Tails with Li-Moon, or anyone actually. It was just something Yardley added into the backgrounds when he could during those 4 issues, and then they never interacted again for the entirety of Preboot, since they weren't intended to be a real thing.
We will never really know because pre-reboot archie character died anyway.
The anon who explained how flynn works was right though, flynn himself explained how he worked and bumblecast and some archie editor interviews in some archie issues
Ian’s been pretty clear he didn’t want to have Tails shipped with any girl in Archie, his own age or otherwise. He’s went on rants about it several times. Plus there was like 3 and a half years between then and the Genesis Waves and nothing ever became of it, it wasn’t intended to be a thing.
It says inthe sonic news network it was written by ian flynn, but I can't say it was only yardley intent when Flynn is the one giving her lines, besides flynn once explained he needed to describe to the pencillers what he wanted in panels with extreme details. So the full pages are probably more his ideas, yardley just make them reality.
>There are "people" ITT right now who prefer the art and writing of Pendershit and co.
>arguing about mega man
>not even the archie comics
As always, this series is woefully underappreciated.
>Artists after Yardley weren't allowed to have their own sty-
If you told me these were all by the same person I would believe you.
These look the fricking same. Nothing about any of these has a distinct, personal identity or flair of any kind.
When do we start talking about what we like about Sonic?
I like the hentai
I like all the sexy ass fricking sonic girls and i love jacking off to them.
I like talking about how much I hate it.
Knuckles has been my favourite character since the first time I ever saw him 23 years ago while playing Sonic 3, and I thought he was a girl because the character was a pinkish red, had long hair, and the name was written as "K.T.E." in Sonic & Knuckles GUI, which, at the time, I always misread as "Katie".
Forgot my pic, sorry.
Like all other adult Sonic fans I only care about the porn
I really like his attitude with how ti deal with life, and how he's a little egotistical but actually had a heart of gold.
The music in any sonci games is always rad too.
I was fan of sonic shonen writing style in the sonic adventure to sonic and the black knight era too
>I really like his attitude with how ti deal with life, and how he's a little egotistical but actually had a heart of gold.
Me too, Jack is a great character. Shame the series was canceled before it could get a final season.
I like the the games (even some of the 'bad' ones like 06 and Shadow), the comics (all of them, even the French one), the tv shows (even Underground), fancomics, and all the lewd art. Maekawa's my favorite writer, and Shadow's my favorite character. My favorite thing about this franchise is how much the fans have put into it.
Knuckles is great, I really liked his trickster personality in S3&K, I wish they'd incorporated it into his modern hotheaded personality.
If you're talking about Sonic, I totally agree (I don't know enough about Jack to comment). I find his carefree nature tempered with a strong sense of justice admirable, and something I unironically try to live up to.
As much as I like Archie, they really don't look like they're even from the same planet. Mina's noodle limbs are just freaky when placed next to Sally.
>I really liked his trickster personality in S3&K
It's funny how they completely changed his personality for modern but morons act like it was totally natural to do so.
Yeah, it's pretty bizarre. I don't mind him being a hothead, but he should be playing pranks and laughing too. Frankly it would make Knucrouge even more kino.
It's not a huge deal, but it does make it look like they're doing a crossover episode with another franchise. Mina's hands are the side of her face, whereas Sally's are much smaller. It makes everyday interactions like handing each other objects weird.
Look up the adventures of femboy Rouge
See you next thread!
Mina’s hands shrink when she wears different outfits
That just raises further questions!
How do they have children if they dont have dicks and pussies???
Most of my posts werent about archie, but go ahead and post your copypasta
And yet when sonic is next to a zeti people make up excuses for why the design differences dont matter because “they’re zeti!!!”
Characters don’t have to look like eachother. Plenty of anime have characters interact with eachother that follow different design rules and none of those fanbases gripe about it. Only sonic fans seem to get this way because they’re autistically obsessed with “fixing sonic” when they’re the ones who are broken in the first place!
>Sonic fans are morons
No shit sherlock, just fap and move on.
This obviously have shipping bait, even if it did go to nowhere, cute vixen design though
You frickers brought the backup thread to auto-sage? Shit son, you can't go a few hours until the next ride thread to talk about Sonic?
It was doing fine until the IDWgays invaded. Just comfy autistic arguing but now it's filled with off topic bullshit.
Which is it??? You sonic fans cant agree on ANYTHING!
>different people have different opinions
Bros?!
And it’s especially funny when those different opinions are posted one directly after the other!
It was doing fine until the anons started arguing. Again. Turns out arguing over games and replying to bait sinks Sonic threads.
What's the point of having a thread if people shouldn't get to talk in it? Did you want anons to ignore the thread and let it 404? It's just Cinemaphile; threads here are lucky if they get to stay up multiple days.
Reminds me of pic related.
Just tards (this one here
) being tards as per usual.
Pajeet so angry that he got called out and couldnt auto correct an argument from his rollodex of “i hate archie grrr”
>He's a schizo
Just like that IDWgay who calls every Archietard post Richmunk. There really is no helping tards like you who are the reason why Archie's so hated these days.
Uh bro, your translator broke. Your first sentence makes no grammatical sense, pajeet.
Stay mad
>i miss the last thread
fugg
So when will we be seeing Clutch? I've only seen him in the issue where he's with Rough and Tumble, but it was out of context so I had no idea who he was.
The chao racing arc which I believe is after Metal Virus. There's still the epilogue for the arc so it's either tonight or tomorrow unless something else is posted.
SINCE I WON'T BE HERE WHEN THIS THREAD DIES
WITH MY LAST BREATH I CURSE ALL OF YOU
I hope one day Shade, Marine, and other forgotten game characters (and Sticks, of course) are able to make a comeback...
Pretty sure pajeet would call any series listed normalgay because he doesnt know anything, then he would go back to talking about sonic and bathing in cow shit.
Stop trying to make your boogeyman meme come true, people like you make me sorry for normal Archie fans.
But you're the one who literally admitted to liking Sonic instead of Jojo and Kaiji, moron.
>Is still talking to his imaginary pajeet
Take your pills ya goober.
“Goober” oh great, a fricking woman. That’s the last thing I need right now. I’d rather be buttfricking the poop in pajeet’s butthole than talking to one of you sonic girls. You’re the ones who report people for drawing amy porn! You fricking ingrates!!!
Come on schizo, your making every Archiegay here look bad.
So anyway I wanted to discuss Ian's magnum opus preboot Archie arc where Sonic is taking a bath in some very suspicious brown substance by the local farm
>Every post that disagrees with me is made by the exact same anon.
You know... that doesn't exactly help the case of those particular anons...
You can tell pajeet is posting because his prepositions flip mid sentence
>Thinks I'm the same anon
Wrong, but thank you for playing.
Also, you probably would get along with that other anon who was obssessed with calling those that disagree with him "spics". I'm sure you guys would get along.
Oh thats probably me. Frick you spics.
Not an archiegay. Most of my posts had nothing to do with archie, pajeet.
>Most of my posts had nothing to do with archie, pajeet.
Imagine thinking that's something worth bragging about itt
Imagine being so schizo that you think having no point and losing every argument as a racist white man embarasses your brown ass in a sonic thread means you won the thread
I'm curious, do you assign a random nationality to anyone who disagrees with you in any thread? Or just here on the Sonic ones?
*smooch*
*hugs*
*cuddles*
Now that's what I call Sonickino.
Based!
That's a canon character, alllllllrite. Source-respecting, creators were involved, no single baka western nincoompoop layed a finger on it, game-approved...
Yeeeeeeeeeeep, Sonickino time. Nice Tumble, based, saved!
Basically.
Who unbanned rotor homosexual?
>accuses anon of being some flavor of the month normal gay
>starts making excuses when the anon reveals he was reading manga and watching anime before you were even born
Bro
Yeah you got me kid! You were into normalhomosexualry of every era, so that proves...nothing? That's disappointing.
>imagine thinking that being into anime in the late 90’s and 00’s was normalhomosexualry.
You zoomers don’t know how well you have it. Liking anime with girls in it used to get you beat up when you got off the school bus in my day.
Do you even know what a school bus is or do you just go to school on your laptop?
He wasn't banned, it's just that one of the jannies has lustful thoughts whenever he sees a Roror picture and must purge the thread to cleanse himself.
May these threads always devolve into shitflinging nonsense.