What's wrong with saying the truth? Malicious behavior is always a winning strategy in any economic system, so the richest people will always be people who were willing to do the worst things.
>What's wrong with saying the truth?
The problem is that it's rich people "saying the truth." The director is a multi-millionaire. Shit like this is pure hypocrisy. It's rich people telling the poors it's evil to be rich only so they can have more money for themselves.
>might poison >might
So this is the power of bootlickers...
3 months ago
Anonymous
>there's people who poison the planet out there so now all my actions are justified, especially towards other people who have absolutely no connection to said poisoners
Do I have to make it even more clear or is this some pilpul attempt?
stabbing your crack head neighbor is way worse from my perspective. the agency and hate and effort involved is so much greater than doing some evil hive mind ship by proxy of an industrial plant or some shit.
>uhm sir, our profits are kinda low this year, you won't be able to afford your 5th yacht, what are our options? >cut the wagies' salaries by 20%, remove any ecological filtering method and export our garbage to a 3rd world shithole >but sir, that will anger our clients >okay start an ecological campaign and promote paper straws that are toxic and dangerous for the humans, but who cares, I own half the sweatshops that produce them >but sir, that will make our workforce's life worse and will put the lives of millions in danger with microplastics, carcinogens and poisons, isn't that bad? >hey at least I'm not stabbing a crackhead in self defense, that's way worse in my perspective
You have reached woman levels of delusions.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I like how the evil rich person in your scenario HAS to do some kind of evil shit to justify your delusions.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I haven't seen poor people dump hundreds of tons of plastic garbage into the pacific ocean because it's marginally cheaper than recycling it. I haven't seen poor bosses ask for unpaid internship, or even worse, the intern has to pay the company to work there. I haven't seen poor bosses gladly choose to fire thousands of employees in order to give themselves a 10% raise on their 10 million dollar annual salary. But hey, you must be right, because billionaires like Bill Gates gave away a few millions on charity. What do you mean that Bill Gates owns that same charity organization so he did that to get tax benefits, by basically giving money to himself? Nah that can't be right...
Violent crime isn't the worst thing. It's bad, but only hurts a few individuals at a time. However, it is true that the poorest also engage in forms of rudimentary malicious behavior because at a certain point of poverty it becomes the only strategy available for mere survival. The ideal economic system (in my view) minimizes the percentage of people in such poverty as well as the percentage of people able to safely sit in the top echelon without repercussions for what they did to get or stay there.
this mindset is fucking insane. Look at people who grew up in poverty but managed to claw their way to middle class, and then tell me any of this antisocial behavior is optimal strategy for survival. That guy in my class who stole phones and sold weed and spent his early 20's in prison sure had an optimal strategy compared to those of us that stayed in school and became employable people with skills.
I was born in a poor as fuck rural area. I went to one of the worst schools and highschools in the country by any metric. Many of my friends from school fell into heavy substance abuse or died in stupid ways - usually alcohol or drug-related - before I hit my 20s. But I have good parents who kept me in line and wanted me to be aspirational. I learned to code and got a (tuition-free) college degree and now I live a cushy life as a wellpaid software developer. Some of my schoolmates made it as well, either getting into trades or the army, but many others are in prison or alcoholics looking 50 in their 30's, have crippling gambling debts or 3 children from 3 different fathers in the case of the girls.
There's a huge amount of self-destructive, completely avoidable self-inflicted behavior that keep the poor in their place, and pretending it's some conspiracy by the ruling class is asinine. The government does literally everything it can think of to prevent poor people from doing these retarded mistakes because it makes them a giant tax-sink. Nobody in the country benefits from having a lower-class that leeches off the productive members of society.
What malicious behavior? The poor fucks were the ones getting people to lose their jobs, breaking into other people's homes and eventually committing assault and murder. The rich people were just living their lives.
That's literally not what's in the movie. The rich family is oblivious and coddled but they're portrayed as decent people, the poor family are struggling and fucked over by circumstances, but they're portrayed as psychopaths.
It is so easy to be an angel in paradise. And no they are not good people. The husband is a self absorbed cocky bully. The wife is a neglectful dope head. And the daughter is quickly becoming a whore. They're awful
The poor do what they must because of their circumstances. Remember the scene from 7 samurai when the samurai are giving shit to the farmers for hording swords they stole from dead samurai plundering after battles, but then toshiro mifunes character is all like and who made the farmers like this? It was the samurai! Its the elite that create a world where the poor must claw at each other to get by. This is not a moral failing of the poor
The people claiming that the movie says 'rich people bad' are either fucking with you or they haven't seen it. If there is any critique of the middle class, it is that they are unaware of the hardships faced by lower classes. Not that they are bad people. The poor family, as you say, are psychopaths who are a complete detriment to society
Asian anything isn’t known for subtlety. It’s a concept that completely fucking eludes them. Anyone who thinks Asian are more sophisticated than westerners has never lived there.
Bong Joon-ho hasn't made a good movie since 2006. It's hilarious that his second worst film (only surpassed by the patronizing and excessively melodramatic Okja) gets praised by western audiences.
>get your whole family into a situation that could lift you out of that shit poverty lifestyle If you stick to it for a bit >still complain
this is my biggest gripe
lazy asiatic just wants to sit around and eat sausage and noodles
Yes, he's the parasite. That's the point of this movie that western leftists miss.
They couldn't even keep a job about folding pizza boxes and when given opportunity to get out of their misery they fucked it all over petty bullshit.
Anyone saying this movie is about fighting with inequalities is a retard as this movie shows why low class entitled parasites cannot ever get rich.
Our so called intellectual elite couldn't hold a job about folding pizza boxes either. You gotta groom kids into that kinds labor thats why they get em started young in the third world.
Nope. Sit down any of these pampered babies with their affirmative action degrees and have them do actual work instead of bullshit. They'd wash up in a day.
>this guy is an architect who makes good money, so he's practically forcing others to backstab, rob and kill
Reductionist argument that only serves to show how to foolish you are. I never criticized his social standing. I criticized who he was in his personal life. And how he treated others. And that's why I levied the criticisms that I did
>this rich guy is kinda mean so he deserves getting stabbed
Just watching the movie is proof enough. See how they treat the poor family they see as less. Like dogs.
No I don't have a prepared bibliography for my Cinemaphile post. But Google exists do your own leg work.
>movies depict actual reality
Just stop spamming you retarded homosexual, your posts are embarrassing.
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
Never did I claim movies depict reality. Now you're strawmaning
They do depict how the fictional character acts in the movie. Like a cocky rich asshole who thinks he's above others.
Kinda like you. Bootlicker
3 months ago
Anonymous
>retarded schizophrenic namefag doesn't know what "bootlicker" means
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
You have some kinda grudge and are taking my words outta context to strawman mental illness because I disagree with your take on a movie
None of what you're describing is in the movie.
The husband does bullshit office work. The wife lays around the house high on opiates. The husband power trips at the end and stabs the rich guy. All of which are in the movie.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>retarded namefag cannot remember the roles of major characters in a movie he's talking about
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
>the other husband
No I just assume you have the reading comprehension so I don't have to fix every typo I make phone posting 🙁
Youre not making any sorta point. You're nitpicking
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You're nitpicking
Alright now I'm 100% sure you're either trolling or a genuinely retarded cocksucker. You've done nothing but nitpick "bad things" about the rich people in the movie while you ignore or massively downplay the absolute flood of heinous shit that the poor people are doing.
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
The rich need nothing, so grasp at nothing. The poor need, so have to make more moves to acquire what they must. The difference is merely circumstancial.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The poor need
No, the Kims didn't NEED more, they WANTED more.
3 months ago
Anonymous
They don't do real work. They're parasites. The labor that keeps the country going is done by the poor.
They treat them like dogs to the point where the husband simply cannot stand the indignity anymore.
As said previously
Having lots of money doesn't make you a cunt
But if you don't raise your kids correctly they will be some of the worst people you can imagine.
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
I have met some rich people that could keep up appearances, but nothing more. Having money doesnt make one had, no. But the types they pursue wealth and acquire it affectively are evil
The poor in the movie have their flaws too. Both parties are flawed.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>ESL namefag keeps making shit up that never happens in the movie while repeating "rich people are evil" again and again only to deflect onto "I meant rich people in the movie of course haha"
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
Not an argument. Petty name calling
3 months ago
Anonymous
>pursue wealth makes you evil
No.
It's how you use that wealth. There's nothing wrong with making your life easier, but begruding others for not having your success or intentionally being malicious, is the issue.
Being rich isn't at odds in achieving good things. Yes you are in competition with your peers, and they might not win. But you're not at competition with the plumber who fixes your pipes and there's no reason to fuck him over or treat him like trash, as i have heard or seen before.
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
The pursuit of power always leads to evil. You cannot buy your way into heaven with charitable donations after the fact. Alot of people make this mistake
Our current power elite is as deluded about themselves as they are because they think they can wield absolute power justly.
3 months ago
Anonymous
When I call you out on this shit you will deflect onto "I-I mean, in the movie, of course!" again, am I right? Fucking homosexual.
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
It takes a homosexual to know one
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's the difference between confucian philosophy which is what all these Korean movies are based on (also Squid game or Snow Piercer[movie]) and western christian/commie philosophy where being rich is equalized to being evil.
Konfucianism say that greed makes you evil, that greed makes you do wrong things.
Western leftism says that being rich is just wrong because it is OK?
I wasn't saying they where. I was trying to make a point that rly smart people look down on jobs like this, but would probably fail if made to do the job. They couldn't just sit their and fold boxes all day. No way!
You gotta groom kids into that sorta monotonous servitude.
>smart people look down on jobs like this, but would probably fail if made to do the job.
Can you provide proof to either of these claims?
Rich people aren't evil
Many of their children go on to become cunts that live in a bubble. Imagine generations of this.
Correct, which is why the majority of smug lefties who think it should be priority number 1 to teach starving children in Africa about gender theory all come from rich households.
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
Just watching the movie is proof enough. See how they treat the poor family they see as less. Like dogs.
No I don't have a prepared bibliography for my Cinemaphile post. But Google exists do your own leg work.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I cannot separate fiction from reality
Riveting stuff.
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
>I don't have reading comprehension
The characters actions in the movie is evidence of the characters thoughts about others and how it related to the themes of the film. Not reality.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I wouldn't say this without anonymity, but aren't they actually less, in a way? You see a woman swearing at her kid, a man spitting on the floor in public, two drunks fighting in the street at 10am, unwashed kids, filthy roads, crass, beligerent and ignorant people etc. The common thread is that they are poor as shit. Rich people can be scum too, but not on the same levels.
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
The difference between me and you is I'm willing to speak my mind outside the realm of anonymity
3 months ago
Anonymous
You are still anonymous. You are identifiable in this thread, exclusively. Nobody knows who you actually are. You wouldn't put your real name to this, which is the point that you damn well know I was making
3 months ago
Anonymous
I've met rich cunts on both sides of it.
It's more just their reluctance to accept that being rich doesn't mean you're right.
Some of the worse ones i've met are straight up belligerent when it comes to talking to people without high status things.
Automatically you are assumed to be stupid and poor if you don't have x
May 10th. Thank God for the rain which has helped wash away the garbage and trash off the sidewalks... Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.
-Taxi Driver
>poor family does absolutely nothing to improve their situation >scam people left and right to make ends meet >even try to scam a pizza place by assembling shoddy pizza boxes >steal someone else's wifi >poor daughter forges documents so her brother can be hired by rich family >poor dad gets nanny fired >when they do earn money they blow it all immediately instead of saving it >meanwhile the dad in the wealthy family works hard and cares for his wife and kids
Why am I supposed to sympathize with the trashy poor people again? The rich people are portrayed as more aloof than evil.
They are hustlers. Not scam artist. They move from job to job but in doing so they do do the work that keeps the country going. Just like any Uber driver.
>The labor that keeps the country going is done by the poor.
The poor family in the movie is nothing but a detriment to everyone around them. Even when they get the chance to turn things around (due to the "evil" rich people, who are less mean to them than most blue collar bosses) they willfully fuck everything up.
They fuck up, but not willfully. Willful and wonton intent implies they meant to fuck up and cause chaos. But they just fucked up cause they're fuck ups. They're flawed. That's what makes them interesting people.
>the rich guy was a bit mean to them >THEY TREAT THEM LIKE DOGS, THEY'RE EVIL, THEY'RE PARASITES >but the poor people are "flawed" and "interesting", they're trying their best, even though they commit dozens of serious crimes mostly out of greed, stupidity and false pride
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
When you already have it all, you don't need to commit crime. When you have not, theirs the pressure to always grasp for more.
It's just so easy to be an angel in paradise
3 months ago
Anonymous
Okay cool, so the rich people didn't do anything wrong after all, while the poor people were greedy assholes. Thanks for clearing that up.
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
Not at all what I was saying. But you can continue agreeing with yourself and calling others crazy though
Pathetic
3 months ago
Anonymous
You keep saying it's super easy for rich people to not do anything bad. Thus they don't do anything bad. You even call them angels. So the rich people are the good guys while the poor are vile and greedy demons, just like in real life.
Seethe and dilate.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So you admit that the rich people were nice angels while the poor people were disgusting scum.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So stabbing someone to death is okay if he has more money than you do? Interdasting ethical code.
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
That was wrong of him to stab him at the end, no
>The poor need
No, the Kims didn't NEED more, they WANTED more.
With that kinda argument you could say no one needs anything more than bread an water a day. They needed more than the pitiful lifestyle they lead in the beginning. I respect them for trying but they coulda done things better. Flawed
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I respect scam artists who ruin other people's lives because they're poor
Hope the next hobo in your favela shithole rams a knife in your guts to steal your shoes, don't forget to give him a tip to aid in his struggle.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>They needed more than the pitiful lifestyle they lead in the beginning
No they didn't. They just wanted more. Wants and needs are not the same. >With that kinda argument you could say no one needs anything more than bread an water a day
What exactly are you trying to say here? They weren't starving. They weren't homeless. They were poor and chose to be dishonest criminals over working real jobs. They deserve nothing but disdain. If they put any of the effort they put towards making other people lose their real jobs to working real jobs of their own, they would've ended up in much better circumstances.
But the Kims didn't want to work real jobs. The Kims wanted to steal things. They wanted to hurt people. Because they were evil little assholes who felt entitled to the fruits of other people's labor.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's a silly reduction when the literal parasitic act was obviously sneaking into the home's unused spaces. You would have to be braindead to not see a circular parasitism being represented. It's not even clever, but clever things don't win big film awards so nobody expects it to be at this point.
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
Theyre simps who hate trannies. When people hate you they will find any dumb reason to insult you. Or try to make you look bad. A go to for most is to just strawman what you say instead of reply to what you actual said.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>ESL namefag keeps spouting completely random buzzwords that he doesn't know the meaning of
3 months ago
D. A. G. I. A.
You're using buzzwords to insult me for using buzzwords
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're obviously ESL and a namefag. It's simple facts. Stop spamming the thread, homosexual.
I CAN'T FUCKING OPEN THE IMAGINE
I CAN'T FUCKING OPEN THE IMAGINE
I CAN'T FUCKING OPEN THE IMAGINE
FUCK YOU Cinemaphile
FUCK YOU Cinemaphile
FUCK YOU Cinemaphile
The point of the movie is that the label of 'parasite' can be applied to both the poor and rich characters throughout the film. Towards the start of the film it looks as though the poorer family are the parasites. As they are seemingly tricking their way in to jobs in order to extract as much money from the rich family as possible.
But as the film goes on you quickly come to the understanding that what they have tricked their way in to is a form of servitude for rich babies who strip them of their dignity and their agency. The poor people had to lie, cheat and manipulate to get all the way to a position where they are expected to work like dogs, demeaned and treated as second class citizens in order to survive. The rich family fully depends on their labour in order to continue to pursue the rich lifestyle they have as it allows them (The father specifically) to not worry about normal household problems and focus on "work". The very little work we see the father doing throughout the film is him fiddling around with VR tech in an office.
Retarded take of retards. Where did Parks strip main characters of their dignity? The only part is when the father says that his driver smells. And he does so in private, because he do not want to strip a good driver out of dignity and tell him he smells in his face.
You are full of shit commie or just retarded.
>You are full of shit commie or just retarded.
The director of the film, Bong Joon-ho is literally a communist you fucking mouth breather. im just reading the meaning of the film as the film lays out. The film shows a satirical microcosm of the class system in korea. This is 100% the message of the film and you're a brainlet for trying to implant your own political spin to a film that has a contrary message to your own ideology.
>The director of the film, Bong Joon-ho is literally a communist
Yeah he is literally a communist just like CCP isa literally communistic. You have zero understanding of asian (especially nothern chinese and korean) mentality homosexual.
>You have zero understanding of asian (especially nothern chinese and korean) mentality homosexual.
Why would anyone want to? Bing bing bong ching chong all the same shit you hapa homosexual
>make claim about the director >get BTFO >"a-actually it doesn't matter, ching chong bing bong ahahah who cares?"
Absolutely embarrassing and pathetic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That was another anon you were replying to, I don't care about asians.
also to add to this you're a brainlet that you dont even understand that the 'smell' is a metaphor. The "smell" is a class difference between the rich and the poor. Its why the smell never goes away no matter how much the guy cleans his clothes. The point is that even if the driver did ascend to being rich the actual rich people can 'smell' his background, his smell is the strongest because he has been poor his whole life. Its a metaphor for the cultural difference between the rich and poor in korea.
Death of the author.
you're misusing death of the author. Death of the author applies to the author retroactively applying ideology or ideas to a piece of work in post. The themes i mention are imprinted in to the film itself and talked about in behind the scenes interviews with the director before the film had even been finished.
I cannot believe that anons are actually being filtered by babbies first film with any kind of depth.
>The themes i mention are imprinted in to the film itself
Prove it. >and talked about in behind the scenes interviews with the director before the film had even been finished
This one too.
>Bong was a member of the now-defunct New Progressive Party.[112] He has also voiced support for its predecessor, the Democratic Labor Party.[113]
During the Q&A, Woo-sik Choi– who plays Ki-Woo– put those hopes to rest by revealing the meaning behind the song that plays as the credits roll. The song, written by Bong, is about how Ki-Woo “spent his days working in part-time jobs, saving up his money,” explained Woo-sik. “The title, first it was ‘564 Years.'” That number, he explained, was the amount of time it would take for Ki-Woo to save enough money to buy the house.
Bong elaborated: “We factored in his average salary to figure out how long it would take. So when he tells his dad that all he has to do is come up the stairs and announces that he will buy the house, as people in the audience we all know that that’s impossible.”
“It’s a very cruel calculation,” Bong admitted, “but we did it anyway.”
Including a song to attribute meaning to a scene which can be read differently is what I would describe as "post".
3 months ago
Anonymous
are you going to just openly ignore that Jong boon ho's wiki page shows he is members of socialist parties in korea?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Doesn't contradict my death of the author statement at all, so yes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Problem is that you're being deliberately bad faith by trying to soley look at the film in a vaccum, when it's context is an important part of the film's message.
The only way i can really prove the film is socialist/communist in nature and is about the exploitation of the working class in korea under your rules is by literally doing a full length analysis of the film, which you would disregard as a misinterpretation anyway. There is no point trying to persuade someone who stone-walls any argument that contradicts their own.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, that's how interpretations work. Or are you admitting that the movie is propaganda instead of art?
One who is a brainlet is you who can analyze the smell but cannot put it into context. And context is Confucian. Smell cannot go away, as in Confucian societies all people belong to certain class and every class has its purpose. The purpose of a driver is to drive and purpose of the Park is to pay him for driving. But the smelly low class do not want to be low class - which ends up in him killing and hurting people. It weren't Parks who did that. It was Kim. Because he didn't want to be part of the whole society and do his thing humbly. He wanted to be higher than he should be. Which results in tragedy.
The same thing happened with SnowPiercer. And Bong Joon-ho stated in some interview that his movies end up badly clearly because of it. Because low people, who he actually sympathizes with, want more and more and their ideas can and will backfire. Because they are not rulling nor high class people and do not know what responsibilities this higher castes have.
And confucian ideology always was for the lower classes to be treated good but the lower classes also should be obedient and humble. But they aren't. And it ends up with destruction of whole humanity (Snowpiercer) or environment that could easily feed all (Parasite).
Didn't read any of this bullshit but almost every lifelong poor person I've ever met in my life has been socially and emotionally retarded and almost always engages in selfish, harmful and destructive criminal behavior. And no, none of those crimes to try and escape their poverty or improve their life, it was for instant gratification bullshit at the expense of other people's safety and well being.
Poorfags are the absolute worst. You have only yourselves to blame for the life you've chosen, CHOSEN is the key word. As in none of you want to take responsibility for the lives you live, it's always someone else's fault. In this case, the rich!!! Every single poor person chooses to stay poor, stupid, lazy and hopeless. The sad irony of this movie is that it also uses poor people to make profit off of you, off of your desperation, negativity and despair. Poor people would rather spend their money watching a movie that validates their victimhood than invest in themselves. Imagine spending your hard earned money to go listen to some director, who gets rich off of your attention, tell you how much of a victim you are so you stay vindicated as a poorfag instead of using that money to acquire financial literacy or an actual education. No. The sad reality of poorfags is that you have only yourselves to blame for the lack of finances in your life, even those that are stuck in deadend jobs - you have chosen to stay stagnant and spend 0 of your precious time on anything other than circlejerking victimhood. The only bad rich people in this world are the ones who understand this and milk you for money, just like the director and producers of this movie. I was a neet then a dishwasher/custodian for 4 years and I realized in my second year that it's literally all my fucking fault and I need to do something. I invested all of my savings into an actual education and trade skill so now I can shitpost in absolute peace while you retards can only whine, complain and point fingers. Go to the mirror and take a hard look at yourself instead.
>just like the director and producers of this movie
No, director of this movie never claimed this movie is about poor people and inequality being bad.
Those who claim it are western journalists - who are all you described. Bad people getting rich by playing stupid and poor people.
>rich people bad
what bad did the rich people do again? It's the poors that were the problem. How the fuck do people view this movie as rich people bad anyway, because they have the ability to hire people?
Validation. Poor people self-insert and feel vindicated. Ironically, wealthy people have more intelligence and capacity for empathy than the average wagie who's bitter at the world but they are portrayed as le bad because the world is ran by trillionaire think tanks that abuse and exploit human life. Funny how we barely get movies or info in the media about those, it's always the guy that makes 200k per year who's the big bad to poorfags. It's called controlled opposition.
>you WILL sympathize with poor people even if you are struggling with your own insecurities, having trouble to find a companion and fighintg your childhood traumas >think of the dying kids in Africa while you are on vacations!!
Well for how much Oprah loves to fan the flames in regards to le ebul raycism she could give away a bit more of the money that she has made with that disgusting grifting of hers.
Rich people are... LE BAD: The movie
What's wrong with saying the truth? Malicious behavior is always a winning strategy in any economic system, so the richest people will always be people who were willing to do the worst things.
>What's wrong with saying the truth?
The problem is that it's rich people "saying the truth." The director is a multi-millionaire. Shit like this is pure hypocrisy. It's rich people telling the poors it's evil to be rich only so they can have more money for themselves.
Violent crime is always infinitely higher among poor people.
Yes because stabbing your crackhead neighbor is comparable to poisoning the planet with teflon dust
>stabbing my neighbor is justified because some rich guy I have no relation to might poison the planet or something
>might poison
>might
So this is the power of bootlickers...
>there's people who poison the planet out there so now all my actions are justified, especially towards other people who have absolutely no connection to said poisoners
Do I have to make it even more clear or is this some pilpul attempt?
stabbing your crack head neighbor is way worse from my perspective. the agency and hate and effort involved is so much greater than doing some evil hive mind ship by proxy of an industrial plant or some shit.
>uhm sir, our profits are kinda low this year, you won't be able to afford your 5th yacht, what are our options?
>cut the wagies' salaries by 20%, remove any ecological filtering method and export our garbage to a 3rd world shithole
>but sir, that will anger our clients
>okay start an ecological campaign and promote paper straws that are toxic and dangerous for the humans, but who cares, I own half the sweatshops that produce them
>but sir, that will make our workforce's life worse and will put the lives of millions in danger with microplastics, carcinogens and poisons, isn't that bad?
>hey at least I'm not stabbing a crackhead in self defense, that's way worse in my perspective
You have reached woman levels of delusions.
I like how the evil rich person in your scenario HAS to do some kind of evil shit to justify your delusions.
I haven't seen poor people dump hundreds of tons of plastic garbage into the pacific ocean because it's marginally cheaper than recycling it. I haven't seen poor bosses ask for unpaid internship, or even worse, the intern has to pay the company to work there. I haven't seen poor bosses gladly choose to fire thousands of employees in order to give themselves a 10% raise on their 10 million dollar annual salary. But hey, you must be right, because billionaires like Bill Gates gave away a few millions on charity. What do you mean that Bill Gates owns that same charity organization so he did that to get tax benefits, by basically giving money to himself? Nah that can't be right...
Violent crime isn't the worst thing. It's bad, but only hurts a few individuals at a time. However, it is true that the poorest also engage in forms of rudimentary malicious behavior because at a certain point of poverty it becomes the only strategy available for mere survival. The ideal economic system (in my view) minimizes the percentage of people in such poverty as well as the percentage of people able to safely sit in the top echelon without repercussions for what they did to get or stay there.
this mindset is fucking insane. Look at people who grew up in poverty but managed to claw their way to middle class, and then tell me any of this antisocial behavior is optimal strategy for survival. That guy in my class who stole phones and sold weed and spent his early 20's in prison sure had an optimal strategy compared to those of us that stayed in school and became employable people with skills.
I was born in a poor as fuck rural area. I went to one of the worst schools and highschools in the country by any metric. Many of my friends from school fell into heavy substance abuse or died in stupid ways - usually alcohol or drug-related - before I hit my 20s. But I have good parents who kept me in line and wanted me to be aspirational. I learned to code and got a (tuition-free) college degree and now I live a cushy life as a wellpaid software developer. Some of my schoolmates made it as well, either getting into trades or the army, but many others are in prison or alcoholics looking 50 in their 30's, have crippling gambling debts or 3 children from 3 different fathers in the case of the girls.
There's a huge amount of self-destructive, completely avoidable self-inflicted behavior that keep the poor in their place, and pretending it's some conspiracy by the ruling class is asinine. The government does literally everything it can think of to prevent poor people from doing these retarded mistakes because it makes them a giant tax-sink. Nobody in the country benefits from having a lower-class that leeches off the productive members of society.
What malicious behavior? The poor fucks were the ones getting people to lose their jobs, breaking into other people's homes and eventually committing assault and murder. The rich people were just living their lives.
That's literally not what's in the movie. The rich family is oblivious and coddled but they're portrayed as decent people, the poor family are struggling and fucked over by circumstances, but they're portrayed as psychopaths.
It is so easy to be an angel in paradise. And no they are not good people. The husband is a self absorbed cocky bully. The wife is a neglectful dope head. And the daughter is quickly becoming a whore. They're awful
The poor do what they must because of their circumstances. Remember the scene from 7 samurai when the samurai are giving shit to the farmers for hording swords they stole from dead samurai plundering after battles, but then toshiro mifunes character is all like and who made the farmers like this? It was the samurai! Its the elite that create a world where the poor must claw at each other to get by. This is not a moral failing of the poor
>this guy is an architect who makes good money, so he's practically forcing others to backstab, rob and kill
Embarrassing post, as expected of a namefag.
You are simple and petty.
The people claiming that the movie says 'rich people bad' are either fucking with you or they haven't seen it. If there is any critique of the middle class, it is that they are unaware of the hardships faced by lower classes. Not that they are bad people. The poor family, as you say, are psychopaths who are a complete detriment to society
Wtf im voting socialist from now on
Surely you mean:
*nationalsocialist
>nooooo you can’t just be happy about the weather
This film blew ass. Good cinematography/acting shit story.
She got her feet against that headrest
Wow, you mean one persons trash can be another persons treasure? I'm gonna need to sit on this for awhile, this is too deep for me.
>you're some kind of...
>parasite aren't you
Korean movies aren’t known for subtlety
And modern Hollywood is?
Asian anything isn’t known for subtlety. It’s a concept that completely fucking eludes them. Anyone who thinks Asian are more sophisticated than westerners has never lived there.
Better than anything hollywood has done in 20 years.
Burning > parasite
need more kino featuring asian cities getting flooded (not south asian/pakis, because who cares)
Weathering With You.
So Filipino is okay?
Bong Joon-ho hasn't made a good movie since 2006. It's hilarious that his second worst film (only surpassed by the patronizing and excessively melodramatic Okja) gets praised by western audiences.
Bullshit snowpiercer was just as good as any 80s action movie. That movie was a lot of fun.
Whats his face, captain America, can act pretty good for a Hollywood pretty boy too.
The director thought Snowpiercer was a serious political work, anon.
Holy shit I'm embarrassed for him
It is a kickass action movie tho. I also love trains.
>What is this, fuckin Shakespeare? I mean, holy shit, this is great writing
Dumb shit movie
kek my favorite part is the comment about how his son will not be able to buy the really expensive house.
>"SK cinema is le kino"
>99.9% of the movies are socialist propaganda
Name 5 korean movies that you've seen that aren't all from the same director.
sympathy for mr vengeance
the yellow sea
howling
cold eyes
hwayi
Invisible monsters
How many of these are "socialist propaganda"?
>least slave american
>hot, meaty, pungent soles of an asian goddess right up your face
>complain
jesus, this guy...
im never sawed that, am i watched it? is good?
>get your whole family into a situation that could lift you out of that shit poverty lifestyle If you stick to it for a bit
>still complain
this is my biggest gripe
lazy asiatic just wants to sit around and eat sausage and noodles
Yes, he's the parasite. That's the point of this movie that western leftists miss.
They couldn't even keep a job about folding pizza boxes and when given opportunity to get out of their misery they fucked it all over petty bullshit.
Anyone saying this movie is about fighting with inequalities is a retard as this movie shows why low class entitled parasites cannot ever get rich.
Our so called intellectual elite couldn't hold a job about folding pizza boxes either. You gotta groom kids into that kinds labor thats why they get em started young in the third world.
No, it is just you projecting you being a looser at elites you hate.
Nope. Sit down any of these pampered babies with their affirmative action degrees and have them do actual work instead of bullshit. They'd wash up in a day.
Reductionist argument that only serves to show how to foolish you are. I never criticized his social standing. I criticized who he was in his personal life. And how he treated others. And that's why I levied the criticisms that I did
>this rich guy is kinda mean so he deserves getting stabbed
>movies depict actual reality
Just stop spamming you retarded homosexual, your posts are embarrassing.
Never did I claim movies depict reality. Now you're strawmaning
They do depict how the fictional character acts in the movie. Like a cocky rich asshole who thinks he's above others.
Kinda like you. Bootlicker
>retarded schizophrenic namefag doesn't know what "bootlicker" means
You have some kinda grudge and are taking my words outta context to strawman mental illness because I disagree with your take on a movie
The husband does bullshit office work. The wife lays around the house high on opiates. The husband power trips at the end and stabs the rich guy. All of which are in the movie.
>retarded namefag cannot remember the roles of major characters in a movie he's talking about
>the other husband
No I just assume you have the reading comprehension so I don't have to fix every typo I make phone posting 🙁
Youre not making any sorta point. You're nitpicking
>You're nitpicking
Alright now I'm 100% sure you're either trolling or a genuinely retarded cocksucker. You've done nothing but nitpick "bad things" about the rich people in the movie while you ignore or massively downplay the absolute flood of heinous shit that the poor people are doing.
The rich need nothing, so grasp at nothing. The poor need, so have to make more moves to acquire what they must. The difference is merely circumstancial.
>The poor need
No, the Kims didn't NEED more, they WANTED more.
As said previously
Having lots of money doesn't make you a cunt
But if you don't raise your kids correctly they will be some of the worst people you can imagine.
I have met some rich people that could keep up appearances, but nothing more. Having money doesnt make one had, no. But the types they pursue wealth and acquire it affectively are evil
The poor in the movie have their flaws too. Both parties are flawed.
>ESL namefag keeps making shit up that never happens in the movie while repeating "rich people are evil" again and again only to deflect onto "I meant rich people in the movie of course haha"
Not an argument. Petty name calling
>pursue wealth makes you evil
No.
It's how you use that wealth. There's nothing wrong with making your life easier, but begruding others for not having your success or intentionally being malicious, is the issue.
Being rich isn't at odds in achieving good things. Yes you are in competition with your peers, and they might not win. But you're not at competition with the plumber who fixes your pipes and there's no reason to fuck him over or treat him like trash, as i have heard or seen before.
The pursuit of power always leads to evil. You cannot buy your way into heaven with charitable donations after the fact. Alot of people make this mistake
Our current power elite is as deluded about themselves as they are because they think they can wield absolute power justly.
When I call you out on this shit you will deflect onto "I-I mean, in the movie, of course!" again, am I right? Fucking homosexual.
It takes a homosexual to know one
That's the difference between confucian philosophy which is what all these Korean movies are based on (also Squid game or Snow Piercer[movie]) and western christian/commie philosophy where being rich is equalized to being evil.
Konfucianism say that greed makes you evil, that greed makes you do wrong things.
Western leftism says that being rich is just wrong because it is OK?
The people depicted in the movie are not the "intellectual elite".
I wasn't saying they where. I was trying to make a point that rly smart people look down on jobs like this, but would probably fail if made to do the job. They couldn't just sit their and fold boxes all day. No way!
You gotta groom kids into that sorta monotonous servitude.
>smart people look down on jobs like this, but would probably fail if made to do the job.
Can you provide proof to either of these claims?
Correct, which is why the majority of smug lefties who think it should be priority number 1 to teach starving children in Africa about gender theory all come from rich households.
Just watching the movie is proof enough. See how they treat the poor family they see as less. Like dogs.
No I don't have a prepared bibliography for my Cinemaphile post. But Google exists do your own leg work.
>I cannot separate fiction from reality
Riveting stuff.
>I don't have reading comprehension
The characters actions in the movie is evidence of the characters thoughts about others and how it related to the themes of the film. Not reality.
I wouldn't say this without anonymity, but aren't they actually less, in a way? You see a woman swearing at her kid, a man spitting on the floor in public, two drunks fighting in the street at 10am, unwashed kids, filthy roads, crass, beligerent and ignorant people etc. The common thread is that they are poor as shit. Rich people can be scum too, but not on the same levels.
The difference between me and you is I'm willing to speak my mind outside the realm of anonymity
You are still anonymous. You are identifiable in this thread, exclusively. Nobody knows who you actually are. You wouldn't put your real name to this, which is the point that you damn well know I was making
I've met rich cunts on both sides of it.
It's more just their reluctance to accept that being rich doesn't mean you're right.
Some of the worse ones i've met are straight up belligerent when it comes to talking to people without high status things.
Automatically you are assumed to be stupid and poor if you don't have x
>ITS RAINING AND WERE DROWINING IN OUR OWN FECES AND CRAP IS COMING OUT OF MY OVERFLOWED PIPES LET ME SMOKE A NICE CIG AAAAAAHHHHH IM GOING INS-ACK
When you feel hopeless and you’re living in shit, you really appreciate the ‘cig’
Rich people aren't evil
Many of their children go on to become cunts that live in a bubble. Imagine generations of this.
May 10th. Thank God for the rain which has helped wash away the garbage and trash off the sidewalks... Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.
-Taxi Driver
Not her problem.
>poor family does absolutely nothing to improve their situation
>scam people left and right to make ends meet
>even try to scam a pizza place by assembling shoddy pizza boxes
>steal someone else's wifi
>poor daughter forges documents so her brother can be hired by rich family
>poor dad gets nanny fired
>when they do earn money they blow it all immediately instead of saving it
>meanwhile the dad in the wealthy family works hard and cares for his wife and kids
Why am I supposed to sympathize with the trashy poor people again? The rich people are portrayed as more aloof than evil.
According to the namefag itt they treat the poor people "like dogs" and don't do "real work".
They don't do real work. They're parasites. The labor that keeps the country going is done by the poor.
They treat them like dogs to the point where the husband simply cannot stand the indignity anymore.
None of what you're describing is in the movie.
>retarded scam artists are doing "labor that keeps the country going"
They are hustlers. Not scam artist. They move from job to job but in doing so they do do the work that keeps the country going. Just like any Uber driver.
Name one job they had in the movie that "keeps the country going".
Folding pizza boxes
>The labor that keeps the country going is done by the poor.
The poor family in the movie is nothing but a detriment to everyone around them. Even when they get the chance to turn things around (due to the "evil" rich people, who are less mean to them than most blue collar bosses) they willfully fuck everything up.
They fuck up, but not willfully. Willful and wonton intent implies they meant to fuck up and cause chaos. But they just fucked up cause they're fuck ups. They're flawed. That's what makes them interesting people.
>the rich guy was a bit mean to them
>THEY TREAT THEM LIKE DOGS, THEY'RE EVIL, THEY'RE PARASITES
>but the poor people are "flawed" and "interesting", they're trying their best, even though they commit dozens of serious crimes mostly out of greed, stupidity and false pride
When you already have it all, you don't need to commit crime. When you have not, theirs the pressure to always grasp for more.
It's just so easy to be an angel in paradise
Okay cool, so the rich people didn't do anything wrong after all, while the poor people were greedy assholes. Thanks for clearing that up.
Not at all what I was saying. But you can continue agreeing with yourself and calling others crazy though
Pathetic
You keep saying it's super easy for rich people to not do anything bad. Thus they don't do anything bad. You even call them angels. So the rich people are the good guys while the poor are vile and greedy demons, just like in real life.
Seethe and dilate.
So you admit that the rich people were nice angels while the poor people were disgusting scum.
So stabbing someone to death is okay if he has more money than you do? Interdasting ethical code.
That was wrong of him to stab him at the end, no
With that kinda argument you could say no one needs anything more than bread an water a day. They needed more than the pitiful lifestyle they lead in the beginning. I respect them for trying but they coulda done things better. Flawed
>I respect scam artists who ruin other people's lives because they're poor
Hope the next hobo in your favela shithole rams a knife in your guts to steal your shoes, don't forget to give him a tip to aid in his struggle.
>They needed more than the pitiful lifestyle they lead in the beginning
No they didn't. They just wanted more. Wants and needs are not the same.
>With that kinda argument you could say no one needs anything more than bread an water a day
What exactly are you trying to say here? They weren't starving. They weren't homeless. They were poor and chose to be dishonest criminals over working real jobs. They deserve nothing but disdain. If they put any of the effort they put towards making other people lose their real jobs to working real jobs of their own, they would've ended up in much better circumstances.
But the Kims didn't want to work real jobs. The Kims wanted to steal things. They wanted to hurt people. Because they were evil little assholes who felt entitled to the fruits of other people's labor.
That's a silly reduction when the literal parasitic act was obviously sneaking into the home's unused spaces. You would have to be braindead to not see a circular parasitism being represented. It's not even clever, but clever things don't win big film awards so nobody expects it to be at this point.
Theyre simps who hate trannies. When people hate you they will find any dumb reason to insult you. Or try to make you look bad. A go to for most is to just strawman what you say instead of reply to what you actual said.
>ESL namefag keeps spouting completely random buzzwords that he doesn't know the meaning of
You're using buzzwords to insult me for using buzzwords
You're obviously ESL and a namefag. It's simple facts. Stop spamming the thread, homosexual.
I CAN'T FUCKING OPEN THE IMAGINE
I CAN'T FUCKING OPEN THE IMAGINE
I CAN'T FUCKING OPEN THE IMAGINE
FUCK YOU Cinemaphile
FUCK YOU Cinemaphile
FUCK YOU Cinemaphile
>namefag is a retarded schizo
Many such cases.
The point of the movie is that the label of 'parasite' can be applied to both the poor and rich characters throughout the film. Towards the start of the film it looks as though the poorer family are the parasites. As they are seemingly tricking their way in to jobs in order to extract as much money from the rich family as possible.
But as the film goes on you quickly come to the understanding that what they have tricked their way in to is a form of servitude for rich babies who strip them of their dignity and their agency. The poor people had to lie, cheat and manipulate to get all the way to a position where they are expected to work like dogs, demeaned and treated as second class citizens in order to survive. The rich family fully depends on their labour in order to continue to pursue the rich lifestyle they have as it allows them (The father specifically) to not worry about normal household problems and focus on "work". The very little work we see the father doing throughout the film is him fiddling around with VR tech in an office.
Retarded take of retards. Where did Parks strip main characters of their dignity? The only part is when the father says that his driver smells. And he does so in private, because he do not want to strip a good driver out of dignity and tell him he smells in his face.
You are full of shit commie or just retarded.
>You are full of shit commie or just retarded.
The director of the film, Bong Joon-ho is literally a communist you fucking mouth breather. im just reading the meaning of the film as the film lays out. The film shows a satirical microcosm of the class system in korea. This is 100% the message of the film and you're a brainlet for trying to implant your own political spin to a film that has a contrary message to your own ideology.
Death of the author.
>The director of the film, Bong Joon-ho is literally a communist
Yeah he is literally a communist just like CCP isa literally communistic. You have zero understanding of asian (especially nothern chinese and korean) mentality homosexual.
>You have zero understanding of asian (especially nothern chinese and korean) mentality homosexual.
Why would anyone want to? Bing bing bong ching chong all the same shit you hapa homosexual
>make claim about the director
>get BTFO
>"a-actually it doesn't matter, ching chong bing bong ahahah who cares?"
Absolutely embarrassing and pathetic.
That was another anon you were replying to, I don't care about asians.
>korean thought
yeah its
>america america america america, america... BAD!? america america america AMERICA GREAT!
also to add to this you're a brainlet that you dont even understand that the 'smell' is a metaphor. The "smell" is a class difference between the rich and the poor. Its why the smell never goes away no matter how much the guy cleans his clothes. The point is that even if the driver did ascend to being rich the actual rich people can 'smell' his background, his smell is the strongest because he has been poor his whole life. Its a metaphor for the cultural difference between the rich and poor in korea.
you're misusing death of the author. Death of the author applies to the author retroactively applying ideology or ideas to a piece of work in post. The themes i mention are imprinted in to the film itself and talked about in behind the scenes interviews with the director before the film had even been finished.
I cannot believe that anons are actually being filtered by babbies first film with any kind of depth.
>The themes i mention are imprinted in to the film itself
Prove it.
>and talked about in behind the scenes interviews with the director before the film had even been finished
This one too.
>Bong was a member of the now-defunct New Progressive Party.[112] He has also voiced support for its predecessor, the Democratic Labor Party.[113]
During the Q&A, Woo-sik Choi– who plays Ki-Woo– put those hopes to rest by revealing the meaning behind the song that plays as the credits roll. The song, written by Bong, is about how Ki-Woo “spent his days working in part-time jobs, saving up his money,” explained Woo-sik. “The title, first it was ‘564 Years.'” That number, he explained, was the amount of time it would take for Ki-Woo to save enough money to buy the house.
Bong elaborated: “We factored in his average salary to figure out how long it would take. So when he tells his dad that all he has to do is come up the stairs and announces that he will buy the house, as people in the audience we all know that that’s impossible.”
“It’s a very cruel calculation,” Bong admitted, “but we did it anyway.”
Including a song to attribute meaning to a scene which can be read differently is what I would describe as "post".
are you going to just openly ignore that Jong boon ho's wiki page shows he is members of socialist parties in korea?
Doesn't contradict my death of the author statement at all, so yes.
Problem is that you're being deliberately bad faith by trying to soley look at the film in a vaccum, when it's context is an important part of the film's message.
The only way i can really prove the film is socialist/communist in nature and is about the exploitation of the working class in korea under your rules is by literally doing a full length analysis of the film, which you would disregard as a misinterpretation anyway. There is no point trying to persuade someone who stone-walls any argument that contradicts their own.
Yeah, that's how interpretations work. Or are you admitting that the movie is propaganda instead of art?
One who is a brainlet is you who can analyze the smell but cannot put it into context. And context is Confucian. Smell cannot go away, as in Confucian societies all people belong to certain class and every class has its purpose. The purpose of a driver is to drive and purpose of the Park is to pay him for driving. But the smelly low class do not want to be low class - which ends up in him killing and hurting people. It weren't Parks who did that. It was Kim. Because he didn't want to be part of the whole society and do his thing humbly. He wanted to be higher than he should be. Which results in tragedy.
The same thing happened with SnowPiercer. And Bong Joon-ho stated in some interview that his movies end up badly clearly because of it. Because low people, who he actually sympathizes with, want more and more and their ideas can and will backfire. Because they are not rulling nor high class people and do not know what responsibilities this higher castes have.
And confucian ideology always was for the lower classes to be treated good but the lower classes also should be obedient and humble. But they aren't. And it ends up with destruction of whole humanity (Snowpiercer) or environment that could easily feed all (Parasite).
>pov you learned the word "Confucianism" yesterday
my mother is Korean and I have family in Koera but yeah I have just learned it. Fucking retarded commie homosexual.
Didn't read any of this bullshit but almost every lifelong poor person I've ever met in my life has been socially and emotionally retarded and almost always engages in selfish, harmful and destructive criminal behavior. And no, none of those crimes to try and escape their poverty or improve their life, it was for instant gratification bullshit at the expense of other people's safety and well being.
This is because people with a low IQ can't work within the system so they turn to petty crime for their gratification.
Poorfags are the absolute worst. You have only yourselves to blame for the life you've chosen, CHOSEN is the key word. As in none of you want to take responsibility for the lives you live, it's always someone else's fault. In this case, the rich!!! Every single poor person chooses to stay poor, stupid, lazy and hopeless. The sad irony of this movie is that it also uses poor people to make profit off of you, off of your desperation, negativity and despair. Poor people would rather spend their money watching a movie that validates their victimhood than invest in themselves. Imagine spending your hard earned money to go listen to some director, who gets rich off of your attention, tell you how much of a victim you are so you stay vindicated as a poorfag instead of using that money to acquire financial literacy or an actual education. No. The sad reality of poorfags is that you have only yourselves to blame for the lack of finances in your life, even those that are stuck in deadend jobs - you have chosen to stay stagnant and spend 0 of your precious time on anything other than circlejerking victimhood. The only bad rich people in this world are the ones who understand this and milk you for money, just like the director and producers of this movie. I was a neet then a dishwasher/custodian for 4 years and I realized in my second year that it's literally all my fucking fault and I need to do something. I invested all of my savings into an actual education and trade skill so now I can shitpost in absolute peace while you retards can only whine, complain and point fingers. Go to the mirror and take a hard look at yourself instead.
>just like the director and producers of this movie
No, director of this movie never claimed this movie is about poor people and inequality being bad.
Those who claim it are western journalists - who are all you described. Bad people getting rich by playing stupid and poor people.
>rich people bad
what bad did the rich people do again? It's the poors that were the problem. How the fuck do people view this movie as rich people bad anyway, because they have the ability to hire people?
Mentally ill leftoids will always accuse the other side of what they're guilty of themselves. It's never about reasoning for them.
Validation. Poor people self-insert and feel vindicated. Ironically, wealthy people have more intelligence and capacity for empathy than the average wagie who's bitter at the world but they are portrayed as le bad because the world is ran by trillionaire think tanks that abuse and exploit human life. Funny how we barely get movies or info in the media about those, it's always the guy that makes 200k per year who's the big bad to poorfags. It's called controlled opposition.
>you WILL sympathize with poor people even if you are struggling with your own insecurities, having trouble to find a companion and fighintg your childhood traumas
>think of the dying kids in Africa while you are on vacations!!
reminds me of the oprah and the rock hate because they donate 5 million each to maui
>why just 5 million, why not half of your monies!!!
Well for how much Oprah loves to fan the flames in regards to le ebul raycism she could give away a bit more of the money that she has made with that disgusting grifting of hers.
parasite was such a fucking kino. is the director making another movie? i haven't heard anything since
Reminder it's always the same guy making these threads and copypasting r*ddit posts ad nauseam