Which is sad because she could've just kept her mouth shut and maybe faced a light sentence at the worst. You'd think a mob girlfriend/wife would know what to do once the feds step in. She should've known that jeopardizing a gang would get her killed after seeing how crazy Chris is in his home life everyday.
Chris time and time again stretched Tony's goodwill. He had everything handed on a platter. >he would be whacked in S1 if not for being Tony's favorite >Tony wanted him to be his 2nd, but moron was a junkie and a moron >getting into heroin means a death sentence in the mob, but instead Tony forced him into therapy >after Cleaver, Chris like a moron only confirmed Tony's suspicions instead of keeping his fricking mouth shut >when Tony B shot Billy, Christ came to Tony like a moronic kid happy to tell his parents that his brother did something bad because he would get into trouble for that, took his fricking Toblerone and left instead of sitting there and strategizing with him
Truth is, Chris made his own bed. He had countless occassions to prove himself to Tony and show that he wasn't moronic but with time everyone lost any respect for him and the only thing keeping him alive with any ounce of proper treatment was that he was a made guy.
Chris would have been axed a long time ago if not for Tony’s patience and care for him. Although his entire plan with Christopher was to be a man he can trust as his public face and number 2, presumably really just so Tony could take heat off himself. To me that always called into question how much he even really gave a shit about Chris beyond that potential anyway
A lot of Tony's guys had fancy homes, were making at the least 5 figures a month, but most importantly we're getting washed money back to their bank accounts. The only one who seemed poor was Paulie but that was because he was a shit earner
This. Paulie probably had more liquid assets than most of the other guys put together but he was frugal as all hell which is shown multiple times throughout the show. He liked being rich and feeling like he was powerful far more than any of the material possessions his status could afford him. That’s why he had so much pride and such a big ego, he was one of the last guys who skirted the line between the old school and new school and his position meant more to him than anything so he was content with his lot in life for the most part other than his want for more respect.
This. I swear, did the anon you’re replying to not watch the episode? It was all in the name of vengeance with an extra little crime of opportunity arising at the last moment.
>I would have kept his secret and enjoyed some with him.
thing is, you NEVER want to have a secret with a mob type boss that somehow compromises his italian alpha male image
he wouldnt have you wacked for just that, but someday down the line... maybe that's the thing that tips the scales, if you know whaddimean
If you show loyalty and are someone they trust you're set for life.
A lot of life mob bosses had a confidunt. Usually an older guy from the old school but they had them.
I would have kept his sushi obsession under my hand.
If someone found out I'd take the sushi wrap.
It was my maguro sushi order Tony was getting for me because he's good guy.
You miss out on the gravy train of the delicious money unless you know where it is. The Aryan Brotherhood should've just shot him and chucked him in the same ditch as Hank and Gomez.
Gus. If you're not greedy and stick to your plan you could become rich beyond your wildest dreams and then frick off. On the other hand, he cut that guy's throat, was the guy a weasel or something?
Gus. If you're not greedy and stick to your plan you could become rich beyond your wildest dreams and then frick off. On the other hand, he cut that guy's throat, was the guy a weasel or something?
>He was seen at a murder. His face was circulated by the DEA almost immediately. >Get to intimidate an employee that's already going off the rails. >Just killing two birds with one stone.
>and then frick off
Was that actually possible? I'm not sure if Gus let people retire and would maybe destroy the "evidence" afterwards so nobody could ever say anything about him since he was so secretive.
>Jesse gets tortured and enslaved by a Nazi gang, who murdered his gf and orphaned her kid in front of him >bro he's fine
I knew this would be brought up. He survived is what I meant which is better odds than working for Tony and Walter wasn't the one that tortured him or murdered his girlfriend. He ends up having a change of heart and saving him. Even though he pointed out Jesse to them in the first place.
Gus was out for revenge. So he was loyal to a t. . He could've just gone with his pollo chain, but he was consumed by the want for revenge. I'm sure he'd let you leave. Walter was just a complete moron about it and ruined it with hubris.
They made it clear that he was a Chilean and Chileans are rats. He was loyal and got revenge for his bro no? But maybe in the end, those are false motivations, just like Walter claiming to do it to keep care of his family. They were both powerhungry.
I think if you put in a decent amount of time and made sure to leave with the appropriate level of decorum, full two weeks notice, make sure that the organization will get along without you, train your replacement, and offer to be on call for emergencies, he would be happy to let you have your retirement.
>made a big presence of himself at a murder scene >stepped out of his lane while Gus was at his angriest >revealed decisively that Gus was planning to replace Walter by having his staff take notes on how Walter cooked and took the ability to feign the moral high ground >was part of the failure to adequately defend Gale - Mike was more responsible but Mike was also indispensible >was the only disposable person around at a moment when Gus needed to make a very clear example to shock Walter and Jesse into compliance when they had seized the initiative
Both are horrible ideas but I'd have to choose Walter. The moment your envelope is light Tony is going to wreck your shit and his crew had multiple informants in it. Walter doesn't really have any issues with the law and instigates them by a phone call.
I haven't seen the show, but definitely not Walt. The guy's an extremely delusional egomaniac. Would probably be a school shooter under other circumstances
Walter is way more dangerous when you anger him but he can be reasoned with while Tony would just flip out and strangle you. Jesse, Badger, and Skinny Pete all ended up fine.
did you watch the show? The hazard pay deal led to Mike's lawyer flipping, it wasn't a matter of money. Walt always ended up paying Jesse in full, he had his specific reasons for with holding
>hazzard pay
That was mikes responsibility as he said it came out his cut. >Walt israelites Jesse
For every scene of Walt sperging out on Jesse there’s a scene of Tony forcing Chrissy to do something and not caring about his well-being or outcome
Tony >constantly bashes Georgie because he has flashbacks about or some shit >bashes muscle guy to look cool >considers killing Paulie because he laughs weird and only changes his mind because lunch is ready
Walt > protects Jessie despite constantly being fricked over by him >tries to save dickhead, cop hank despite being arrested by him >has some random henchmen and gangbangers killed because they were nothing to him
Walt was better to the people in his circle
Not a zoomer and I understand the show just fine. All my points stand. There's being "safe" working for Tony, and there's being safe working for Walt. That's simple.
Not a zoomer and I understand the show just fine. All my points stand. There's being "safe" working for Tony, and there's being safe working for Walt. That's simple.
by the mafia rulebook Tony had every right to kill Paulie. Guy was talking outta school to New York.
Paulie was a snitch. Tony didn't kill him only because he didn't have enough proof, which already shows some restraint and good leadership.
Georgie was moronic and was warned by Silvio and others to keep his mouth shut when Tony is upset.
The muscle guy bashing might seem as the most out of blue thing, but it was when no one was respecting him after he got shot and everyone thought he was weak. Even if he was hitting a non-made guy, so he was guaranteed to win, he gave him a solid beating as a proof to everyone that he is still physically imposing. It's a tough world where you need to look strong.
Walter of course. As long as you’re not a homosexual wigger addict then you should be good. Tony might snap at you and possibly even kill you if he hadn’t gotten enough calories earlier in the day
Tony had WAY better food.
Walt was eating at a fast food chicken place, take out pizza, and bowls of cereal. Greasy spoon breakfast was a big deal to Walt.
>Jesse changes loyalty to another criminal or is informing for the DEA or maybe plotting to murder Walter >Walter kills him while crying asking why are you making me do this, Krazy 8 death style
The biggest problem with working for Walt wouldn't be Walt himself, it'd be that frickup Jessie. He is literally the sole reason why nothing ever went well for Walt.
based knower of jesse fricking everything up
I found it funny that he was the catalyst of the conflict and then gus and mike ended up liking him more than walter anyways
Lol it was legit that Walt handled anything that would come up so irrationally and emotionally that made Gus and Mike not like him. Even though Jesse was the one making the moronic decisions that messed things up, the way Walt tried to deal with the problems was the issue.
Its a risk and reward type of thing. Walt=can make lots of money incredibly quick, but he might do something really moronic and get you killed at any time
Tony= you wont be making shit tons of cash but you will be looked after provided you arent a moronic drug addict.
Id try my luck with Walt, make as much as I could as fast as I could then say adios pepe as far away from him as possible
Thing about Walt is that he wouldn't try to kill you if you left unlike the cartel bosses. He has some degree of empathy towards others. Just don't get involved with his personal life.
Tony. His operation was bigger and gave you more opportunities to avoid the big man himself and blend into the background. Make no mistake both he and Walter are raging narcissists, but Walt's ego is FAR easier to accidentally prick and you have a lot less room to avoid him.
Tony. You do well and you'll get paid and probably left alone if you're low-level. Walter will get you killed for sure. Plus you know damn well you'll eat good with Tony's glorified cre-I mean family.
Sure but Tony got to spend his money and live well because he had a clean system for laundering his wealth. Walt still lived in a shit southwestern city with his moronic son in a dinky house.
Yeah thats where the risks and rewards come in. Tony had a steady clean flow of cash over years in smaller amounts.
Walt had huge piles of money in months but no way of laundering it so essentially only like 10% was usable without putting a crosshair on himself
>Paully Walnuts is walking through a self-storage in NM for some goon shit >sees this dorky math teacher going into a unit >big pile of money is there under a tarp, one stack of pills is just *slightly* exposed on a corner where Paully can see it >Heh heh heh
what exactly is stopping him from chartering a boat, and depositing all this cash in the bahamas, and then just moving abroad (switzerland?) with his international bank account away from all the hispanics and DEA? To get extradited, the IRS would have to know he's living beyond his means to begin with.
Idk man everyone in the room was sitting there quietly minding their own business while tony was spinning his wheels conjuring up the bullshit with the fridge. I get he did it because he felt weak and threatened after the coma but it was pretty psychotic.
It didn't matter that there was nothing going on in that scene to make him feel undermined or weak, but he had already sensed that they had recognised his weakness after the shooting. He even tells melfi that they're all jackals. He's not in a position where he can be seen to have lost his edge. The fact that he takes his rings off, shows that he really didn't want to hurt muscles marinara, just enough to get his point across. Then he even gives him some money later.
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Thats fair enough I’m not giving enough credit to the people he’s surrounded by
Complete reverse for me, killing Ralph over the horse was ridiculous (yeah I know it was "really" about the prostitute but the horse was still the trigger point) whereas Muscles was at least a strategic decision by Tony so he could regain his masculine status in the crew.
It would be strange to be hugged all the time, but I'm not Italian so I'd never be made and maybe wouldn't be that close to Tony, even if he had a favourable view of my contribution.
>tony chronically killed all his best earners constantly
They were all justified except for Ralph. I admit killing him for a point of no return, because Tony just killed an innocent man over ego matters. Much like Walt and Mike
Killing Ralph was the downfall of Tony, literally. Tony would have lived to fight it out in court with the Feds if he didn’t execute his golden goose that kept New York in line with handsome sums of money. Carmine said it himself when he was alive, there were millions of dollars at stake at Tony ruined it
im looking at it from the perspective you're anon but just working for them. both walter and tony had morons working for them but tony only really cared about his close circle i feel like walter would care more because you arent some italian related to him
Tony. It really wasn’t that hard to not be on his bad side, as long as you earned and didn’t disrespect him, whereas Walter would throw you under the bus on a whim
Ol Tone, he would leave you alone as long as you didn't frick around and veer off into uncharted territory or venture off into random bullshit like chris did, i frickin hated that homosexual and his whole story/character arc.
Tony, you get to eat good food, you'd get manipulated less and you'd hear great one liners. With walt you are just his errand boy until he decides to have another person kill you.
I'm honestly going with Walt. He was really loyal to Jessie, despite everything, right up until he had no choice. Tony's a selfish nut case who will through you under the bus quick as spit. He was loyal to no one. I'd cook in Walt's tent houses, show him respect and make a fortune.
>Tony
Only if it's really low level associate shit. Basically anything that isn't tied too close with the mafia. As long as you're on his good side he treats you well.
>Walter
On the surface looks like someone you could get along with perfectly. But most certainly would drag you into a situation you don't want to be in, no matter who you are or how close you work with him.
Tony. Doing low risk modest stuff that still left you connected in some way. Just know your place as an associate, try not to hear too much, and hang out at the bing all day.
Beats soaking in chemicals with Walt sperging out all day while being a target for the cartels simply for existing in that world.
the only thing that fricked over walter in the end was jesse being a moron. if you worked for walt, as long as youre not a massive bleeding heart pussy you can retire with 8 figures easy
Assuming I could choose my role within their network then Walter. Feels like the most lucrative positions in Tony's family involve too much heat. With Walt ideally I'd have connections to Saul, Mike, Madrigal, etc. and can slowly phase out into something more legit through laundering.
But you'll meet a bitter end eventually. All of Walt's circle got fricked over one way or another. I'm pretty sure one of the major themes throughout BB is everyone who Walt came into contact with ended up either dead or worse off than when they started. Like, in hindsight you want absolutely nothing to do with him.
You could probably get invited to all the casino nights they had at the cat house listening to the guys breaking balls all day just by being a good customer who did not break balls and take loans you couldnt easily pay back.
As long as you weren't too stupid, greedy, or annoying and could stand the occasional ball breaking without taking it personally like a b***h, Tony would have no problem with you and would let you do your own thing. Tony's problem is that he was surrounded by incompetents, drug addicts, idiots, and power grabbers. The people in the crew who didn't have any of those problems like Patsy or Silvio (outside of that one time) got along perfectly fine without any conflict.
Waltuh is a catty little thin skinned b***h who has a superiority complex because he actually knows his trade but also has zero common sense when it comes to anything else and no interpersonal skills so he will eventually find problems to cause with you even if it's because you started to become competent and made him feel less needed than he feels he should be.
Nearly everyone Walt worked with died (sometimes by Walt), got enslaved by neo nazis and had their qt goth gf od (bc of Walt), or had to spend years on the run and then spend life in prison. The only exceptions I can think of are Badger (or was it Otter?) and that really skinny Mexican guy.
With Tony you could at least get a fairly stable low level position. Not perfect in the long term of course bc there’s a decent chance you’ll get hurt/killed in some mob related fight/shootout or get entangled by the FBI and you have to choose between spending decades in prison or becoming a rat and getting killed by Tony, but odds are much better and most of the guys in Tony’s employ have gotten by at least alive and out of prison, for the most part, for decades.
Tony
Implying your Italian and could get made eventually >start off working for a crew, going around making collections or whatever shenanigans >invest any money you have in something simple like vending machines giving you a steady income and a steady kick up the ladder >just keep growing bigger and bigger with this >find another more level headed guy who's at your level and start your own crew >buy a front buisness like big pussy and the mechanic shop >that, plus vending machienes and other legal schemes will give enough income for you to keep giving steady money to Tony, not draw too much heat. >everynow and then you'll need to be brutal to some random junkies or drug dealers to let others know you are ruthless, give 90% of those earnings to Tony.
Basically be loyal, dont compete with anyone for power or positions let them have it, keep them happy. don't be an butthole, and give good steady income to your higher ups and you'll be fine. Also build your house like a fortress, keep fit, and train regularly with firearms. Hell even join the national guard to get training, and tell the guys it makes you look like a better citizen.
>work for walt >unaware he cooks meth
Pick one, unless you want to work at the car wash.
Being is a position similar to beansie was probably the best place to be.
I mean if I worked with Walter and was in on the crime, I would get the frick away immediately because every character in his entire vicinity gets completely fricked over.
But, Walter isn't an evil parasite. He's just single-minded and willing to be a c**t to get where he is going. I can work with that. Tony is just a cancer that is constantly looking to infect everything and everyone around him to his own benefit.
Walt wasn’t even a bad business partner. Everyone he crossed did something to annoy him
>Tuco being Tuco >Gus tried to kill Jesse to replace him with Gale >Mike refused to give up his snitch >I forgot what Jesse did but wasn’t he partially responsible for Hank’s death?
The only person who didn’t deserve Walt’s wrath was Gale. He literally did nothing wrong
I think I could survive Walt better than Tony. I can deal with psychos by being useful and generally people like me. In Walt's world, I'm less likely to be killed by a short-sighted moron with anger issues. And if I do get killed, I can be useful enough to Walt and Gus that I know my family is taken care of and my killer gets crucified. In Tony's gang, if one of his closer friends goes full guido moron and shoots me dead in a parking lot, Tony's just going to help cover my death up.
Walt simply because the chance of actually striking it rich seems higher. The Sopranos shows us a world of organized crime in rapid decline. The money is drying is up and the Feds are increasingly intense in their war against the mob. Members at all levels are increasingly ratting out to the Feds and it just seems like the walls are caving in from all sides. Opportunities to make a name for yourself seem very hard to come by.
There’s a good chance you get Gale’d under Walt, but we see many characters make large fortunes in very short periods of time. The challenge is to actually make it out and away from Walt. Jesse and Saul were the only two who did.
Tony. Just keep your head down and don't be a moron and you'll be alright. If you need out, flee the country on "vacation" or flip and get witness protection.
Walter is a narcissistic moron who actively uses people as pawns and will have no issue setting you or your loved ones up to be killed, exposed, tortured, or mutilated just by virtue of being within his radius of activity.
Neither. Both are unstable loose cannon homosexuals who will kill you if you cause them the slightest inconvenience. If I had to pick one, Walt, because I could take him in a fight and he probably made more money than Tony
The reality is that both have narcissistic personality disorder (or something similar) and your situation would always be extremely risky either way. Having worked for someone like that (although not in criminal enterprise, granted) I can say its always a fight to stay on their good side and they can turn on a dime despite your best efforts. Every time you affirm your loyalty they will give you tests with increased stakes/more demanding and if you demur at all you're fricked.
I have to go with Walt as he's the only one I know.
He got fricked because his associates kept fricking everything up and he felt altruistic enough to intervene. I'm just going to be skinny Pete and badger tier.
Tony is a professional with decades of experience that knows what he's doing.
Walt is flying blind most of the time and has to Macgyver his way out of jams he brought on himself or call Saul.
lol, fricking moronic teenager zoomers who only consoooooming ytp shorts mistake Tony for a good boss, He's a typical double standard fatfrick who runs a teenage polak prostitute while disgusted by pedophile PE teacher, he's literally a schizo,
In Walter's case he would have died in peace in 70s if he had killed junkie jesse already, he was a good man
a lot more money to be made with walt, smaller crew to frick up or to have to pay, you can just work with him for a year or 2 and retire with a couple millions to another state or country so you won't get dragged into some gang or police problems.
walter is also less of a psycho that won't just beat you up out of nowhere or have you killed at a whim because he is feeling insecure or paranoid.
you also won't have to deal with violent mobster, anyone in this board is much closer to a chemistry nerds than to a mobster.
Tony, hands down. The other homosexual doesnt know what he wants and keeps constantly fricking around and finding out
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Should have been quiet
Tony killed more of his own men than anyone else
his men were dumb guidos, i'm not
Some of them were pretty intelligent, they mostly just lacked education.
there's no cure for being italian
Except there were a bunch of successful educated Italians in the show
t. last words of a dumb guido
>doesnt know what he wants and keeps constantly fricking around and finding out
That sounds exactly like the Sopranos
I'm going with Tony.
Tony, he's more old-school/less annoying.
Walt is unstable and would probably get you killed. If you're on Tony's good side he will actually take care of you.
Yeah, like he took care of Chris
He wasn't on Tony's good side. Plus he literally just got them in a horrible car accident while fricked up
His girl snitched to the feds
Which is sad because she could've just kept her mouth shut and maybe faced a light sentence at the worst. You'd think a mob girlfriend/wife would know what to do once the feds step in. She should've known that jeopardizing a gang would get her killed after seeing how crazy Chris is in his home life everyday.
Chris time and time again stretched Tony's goodwill. He had everything handed on a platter.
>he would be whacked in S1 if not for being Tony's favorite
>Tony wanted him to be his 2nd, but moron was a junkie and a moron
>getting into heroin means a death sentence in the mob, but instead Tony forced him into therapy
>after Cleaver, Chris like a moron only confirmed Tony's suspicions instead of keeping his fricking mouth shut
>when Tony B shot Billy, Christ came to Tony like a moronic kid happy to tell his parents that his brother did something bad because he would get into trouble for that, took his fricking Toblerone and left instead of sitting there and strategizing with him
Truth is, Chris made his own bed. He had countless occassions to prove himself to Tony and show that he wasn't moronic but with time everyone lost any respect for him and the only thing keeping him alive with any ounce of proper treatment was that he was a made guy.
>left instead of sitting there and strategizing with him
Why would Tony want Chris's input on that ?
The fact Chris even made it to season 6 was a miracle and he constantly pushed his luck. Tony gave him tons of second chances
S1 Junior did nothing wrong and should've actually killed him
Chris would have been axed a long time ago if not for Tony’s patience and care for him. Although his entire plan with Christopher was to be a man he can trust as his public face and number 2, presumably really just so Tony could take heat off himself. To me that always called into question how much he even really gave a shit about Chris beyond that potential anyway
All of Tony’s guys were poor compared to Jesse Pinkman I’d work for Walt then take a few million and frick off to Thailand
A lot of Tony's guys had fancy homes, were making at the least 5 figures a month, but most importantly we're getting washed money back to their bank accounts. The only one who seemed poor was Paulie but that was because he was a shit earner
Paulie wasn't poor, he was just a tight ass.
This. Paulie probably had more liquid assets than most of the other guys put together but he was frugal as all hell which is shown multiple times throughout the show. He liked being rich and feeling like he was powerful far more than any of the material possessions his status could afford him. That’s why he had so much pride and such a big ego, he was one of the last guys who skirted the line between the old school and new school and his position meant more to him than anything so he was content with his lot in life for the most part other than his want for more respect.
>having liquid assets instead of solid guys
then why did he rob (and murder) the old lady
She was bullying his mom.
This. I swear, did the anon you’re replying to not watch the episode? It was all in the name of vengeance with an extra little crime of opportunity arising at the last moment.
Easy score, the old c**t just happened to get in the way.
Lol did you forget that they were still criminals? Don't worry David Chase will remind you
Manfredi
excellent answer
Why does he look like the fricking Jigsaw doll?
Pretty much nothing good happens to either crew, look at the amount of people still left working for Tony by the end of season 6
>paulie walnuts bros, we are eating good
do you guys think paulie got along well with whoever took over after tony or do you think he was wacked?
I assumed his cancer returned and he died alone in a similar tragic manner as Uncle Junior.
Junior used most of his money up on lawyers. Paulie could afford to die in a comfortable hospice if the cancer was going to kill him
Tony would have you killed.
Walter would get you killed.
Hard to choose.
I guess Tony since they had food and a yacht.
>Tony since they had food
you prefer gabagool over fried chicken?
marone!
Frick you. Tony ate more than just gabagool.
Remember when he discovered sushi.
I would have kept his secret and enjoyed some with him.
>I would have kept his secret and enjoyed some with him.
thing is, you NEVER want to have a secret with a mob type boss that somehow compromises his italian alpha male image
he wouldnt have you wacked for just that, but someday down the line... maybe that's the thing that tips the scales, if you know whaddimean
If you show loyalty and are someone they trust you're set for life.
A lot of life mob bosses had a confidunt. Usually an older guy from the old school but they had them.
I would have kept his sushi obsession under my hand.
If someone found out I'd take the sushi wrap.
It was my maguro sushi order Tony was getting for me because he's good guy.
gabagool is great
You could just kill Waltuh whenever you want and nobody would come after you
possibility Hank would come after you
You miss out on the gravy train of the delicious money unless you know where it is. The Aryan Brotherhood should've just shot him and chucked him in the same ditch as Hank and Gomez.
i could have sold him on the chili p
Gus
Great minds think alike eh
Gus. If you're not greedy and stick to your plan you could become rich beyond your wildest dreams and then frick off. On the other hand, he cut that guy's throat, was the guy a weasel or something?
>he cut that guy's throat, was the guy a weasel or something?
He didn't know his place.
>He was seen at a murder. His face was circulated by the DEA almost immediately.
>Get to intimidate an employee that's already going off the rails.
>Just killing two birds with one stone.
So Gus is objectively the best boss to work for. When you're not a c**t employee
>and then frick off
Was that actually possible? I'm not sure if Gus let people retire and would maybe destroy the "evidence" afterwards so nobody could ever say anything about him since he was so secretive.
I knew this would be brought up. He survived is what I meant which is better odds than working for Tony and Walter wasn't the one that tortured him or murdered his girlfriend. He ends up having a change of heart and saving him. Even though he pointed out Jesse to them in the first place.
>I'm not sure if Gus let people retire
He didn't do anything to Gale after firing him.
Gus was out for revenge. So he was loyal to a t. . He could've just gone with his pollo chain, but he was consumed by the want for revenge. I'm sure he'd let you leave. Walter was just a complete moron about it and ruined it with hubris.
It's also the cause of speculation if Gus was gay or not.
Why do they call you gay when you're loyal?
They made it clear that he was a Chilean and Chileans are rats. He was loyal and got revenge for his bro no? But maybe in the end, those are false motivations, just like Walter claiming to do it to keep care of his family. They were both powerhungry.
I think if you put in a decent amount of time and made sure to leave with the appropriate level of decorum, full two weeks notice, make sure that the organization will get along without you, train your replacement, and offer to be on call for emergencies, he would be happy to let you have your retirement.
>made a big presence of himself at a murder scene
>stepped out of his lane while Gus was at his angriest
>revealed decisively that Gus was planning to replace Walter by having his staff take notes on how Walter cooked and took the ability to feign the moral high ground
>was part of the failure to adequately defend Gale - Mike was more responsible but Mike was also indispensible
>was the only disposable person around at a moment when Gus needed to make a very clear example to shock Walter and Jesse into compliance when they had seized the initiative
It was 100% rational.
for me, I prefer Vito
For me, it's being one of Mike's solid guys
Both are horrible ideas but I'd have to choose Walter. The moment your envelope is light Tony is going to wreck your shit and his crew had multiple informants in it. Walter doesn't really have any issues with the law and instigates them by a phone call.
I haven't seen the show, but definitely not Walt. The guy's an extremely delusional egomaniac. Would probably be a school shooter under other circumstances
Walter is way more dangerous when you anger him but he can be reasoned with while Tony would just flip out and strangle you. Jesse, Badger, and Skinny Pete all ended up fine.
>Jesse gets tortured and enslaved by a Nazi gang, who murdered his gf and orphaned her kid in front of him
>bro he's fine
he couldve easily avoided all that if he just disappeared when he was going to originally
Walt killed a dozen people on the off chance they'd say anything about him.
both are risky, but Walt made 80 million in about 3 months, so the money's with Walt for sure
that was only because Walt had Jessie.
Jesse was out, this was Walt working with Todd, the Phoenix gang, and Lydia
Do you think Walt is going to share?
Walt always cut in everyone as agreed
Like he did with those inmates? Or like all those times he israelite'd over Jesse
did you watch the show? The hazard pay deal led to Mike's lawyer flipping, it wasn't a matter of money. Walt always ended up paying Jesse in full, he had his specific reasons for with holding
>hazzard pay
That was mikes responsibility as he said it came out his cut.
>Walt israelites Jesse
For every scene of Walt sperging out on Jesse there’s a scene of Tony forcing Chrissy to do something and not caring about his well-being or outcome
Tony would sanction a hit on you for being OP.
they both work for manfredi now, so it doesnt matter really
There is no working for Walt lmao. He was always a wagie with inflated ego. Couldn't keep one fricking junkie in check and one neo-nazi gang.
If you are reasonable and not a moronic mafia tough guy or a junkie, working for or with Tony is completely fine.
Tony
>constantly bashes Georgie because he has flashbacks about or some shit
>bashes muscle guy to look cool
>considers killing Paulie because he laughs weird and only changes his mind because lunch is ready
Walt
> protects Jessie despite constantly being fricked over by him
>tries to save dickhead, cop hank despite being arrested by him
>has some random henchmen and gangbangers killed because they were nothing to him
Walt was better to the people in his circle
another zoomer who was too stupid to understand the sopranos.
Not a zoomer and I understand the show just fine. All my points stand. There's being "safe" working for Tony, and there's being safe working for Walt. That's simple.
Everything you said about Tony was wrong.
by the mafia rulebook Tony had every right to kill Paulie. Guy was talking outta school to New York.
Paulie was a snitch. Tony didn't kill him only because he didn't have enough proof, which already shows some restraint and good leadership.
Georgie was moronic and was warned by Silvio and others to keep his mouth shut when Tony is upset.
The muscle guy bashing might seem as the most out of blue thing, but it was when no one was respecting him after he got shot and everyone thought he was weak. Even if he was hitting a non-made guy, so he was guaranteed to win, he gave him a solid beating as a proof to everyone that he is still physically imposing. It's a tough world where you need to look strong.
Tony seems more mentally stable. Either way both would suck cause they could decide to kill me at anytime.
Walter of course. As long as you’re not a homosexual wigger addict then you should be good. Tony might snap at you and possibly even kill you if he hadn’t gotten enough calories earlier in the day
Tony is a moron but at least he follows some kind of logic and rules. Walter is just straight up unpredictable schizo
Tony ripped of his employees. Because he couldn't cover his own expenses. Walter is an unhinged moron. Gus is the perfect boss (if he wasn't gay)
Tony had WAY better food.
Walt was eating at a fast food chicken place, take out pizza, and bowls of cereal. Greasy spoon breakfast was a big deal to Walt.
How can americans eat this every morning? I can barely drink a glass of milk before feeling full
>How can americans eat this every morning?
It's not all americans
t. Idaho boy who eats one meal at night
Ayy Idaho represent. Hayden here.
Poky here, staying in fort hall atm but yeah
How's life southeast? Been fricked up here with wildfires recently
I think we've had one fire this whole summer, in spite of getting rain maybe twice. Even the fire warning signs are all on low, it's a little weird.
Oh wow really? Lucky for you guys, but I guess I'm lucky too cause even though there's fires the air hasn't been that bad this year.
>me working for Walt
My friend and I always quote "I gotta do it" when we do dumb shit.
Tony, just don't kill a pregnant woman or rat and you're fine.
>Tony, just don't kill a pregnant woman or rat
WHY would Tony care if you killed a pregnant rat?
Or horse. Don't kill a horse either.
Or don't let Tony think that you might have killed a horse.
Maybe they should have had Walt kill Jesse somehow in Breaking Bad
>Jesse changes loyalty to another criminal or is informing for the DEA or maybe plotting to murder Walter
>Walter kills him while crying asking why are you making me do this, Krazy 8 death style
im a pussy ass homie so i dont know what good i would be to them.
walt
i'm protestant
The biggest problem with working for Walt wouldn't be Walt himself, it'd be that frickup Jessie. He is literally the sole reason why nothing ever went well for Walt.
based knower of jesse fricking everything up
I found it funny that he was the catalyst of the conflict and then gus and mike ended up liking him more than walter anyways
Lol it was legit that Walt handled anything that would come up so irrationally and emotionally that made Gus and Mike not like him. Even though Jesse was the one making the moronic decisions that messed things up, the way Walt tried to deal with the problems was the issue.
Jesse fricked everything up then Walt goes out of his way to save him
Jesse truly is the biggest frick up but Walter actually likes Jesse deep down, hence why he always pulled through for him in the end
Its a risk and reward type of thing. Walt=can make lots of money incredibly quick, but he might do something really moronic and get you killed at any time
Tony= you wont be making shit tons of cash but you will be looked after provided you arent a moronic drug addict.
Id try my luck with Walt, make as much as I could as fast as I could then say adios pepe as far away from him as possible
Thing about Walt is that he wouldn't try to kill you if you left unlike the cartel bosses. He has some degree of empathy towards others. Just don't get involved with his personal life.
Tony. His operation was bigger and gave you more opportunities to avoid the big man himself and blend into the background. Make no mistake both he and Walter are raging narcissists, but Walt's ego is FAR easier to accidentally prick and you have a lot less room to avoid him.
Tony. You do well and you'll get paid and probably left alone if you're low-level. Walter will get you killed for sure. Plus you know damn well you'll eat good with Tony's glorified cre-I mean family.
what would be my role?
Tony and his mob would kill you for a slight. Walt will kill you if he’s got no other choice
Tony can't even imagine this amount of money
Sure but Tony got to spend his money and live well because he had a clean system for laundering his wealth. Walt still lived in a shit southwestern city with his moronic son in a dinky house.
Yeah thats where the risks and rewards come in. Tony had a steady clean flow of cash over years in smaller amounts.
Walt had huge piles of money in months but no way of laundering it so essentially only like 10% was usable without putting a crosshair on himself
I'm sure Tony can imagine quite a lot
You know in hindsight it really doesn't look like that much
80 million for a few months work isn't bad.
I just mean physically, the size of the pile
It looks close to two pallets wide.
>Paully Walnuts is walking through a self-storage in NM for some goon shit
>sees this dorky math teacher going into a unit
>big pile of money is there under a tarp, one stack of pills is just *slightly* exposed on a corner where Paully can see it
>Heh heh heh
what exactly is stopping him from chartering a boat, and depositing all this cash in the bahamas, and then just moving abroad (switzerland?) with his international bank account away from all the hispanics and DEA? To get extradited, the IRS would have to know he's living beyond his means to begin with.
At that point he was doing it for fun and possibly realized the cancer was back
Tony would beat you up or have you killed over nothing. Walt was a pussy who wouldn't lay a hand on you
Georgie was just too stupid to shut the frick up. Ralph and muscles marinara were extenuating circumstances
Ralph was justified but muscles was a complete moment of animalistic psychosis
>animalistic psychosis
It was a strategic beat down to establish dominance. It was calculated, nothing remotely to do with psychosis.
Idk man everyone in the room was sitting there quietly minding their own business while tony was spinning his wheels conjuring up the bullshit with the fridge. I get he did it because he felt weak and threatened after the coma but it was pretty psychotic.
It didn't matter that there was nothing going on in that scene to make him feel undermined or weak, but he had already sensed that they had recognised his weakness after the shooting. He even tells melfi that they're all jackals. He's not in a position where he can be seen to have lost his edge. The fact that he takes his rings off, shows that he really didn't want to hurt muscles marinara, just enough to get his point across. Then he even gives him some money later.
Thats fair enough I’m not giving enough credit to the people he’s surrounded by
Complete reverse for me, killing Ralph over the horse was ridiculous (yeah I know it was "really" about the prostitute but the horse was still the trigger point) whereas Muscles was at least a strategic decision by Tony so he could regain his masculine status in the crew.
Tony. Walt just loves starting shit and drama
Not Tony who got the crew he inherited exterminated in a few years
Tony took over that crew in 1986.
But as middle management
Irrelevant. He ran a successful crew for at least 2 decades.
Everyone can be successful at being irrelevant
Tony wasn't irrelevant though, even new york admitted that the sopranos bring in a lot of money
They were just joking around. Carmine said the DiMeos were a glorified crew and the Sopranos were even below that.
"Whatever they are carmine, the sopranos bring in a lot of money"
How about working an honest job instead of associating with either of these crooks?
I'd rather die than be a wagie.
>implying you're not a wagie if you work for either Walt or Tony
You earn more for way less hours.
Tony, just for his friendly yet intimating slaps on the chick.
It would be strange to be hugged all the time, but I'm not Italian so I'd never be made and maybe wouldn't be that close to Tony, even if he had a favourable view of my contribution.
Tony without a doubt.
Just because you're likely to have more fun.
tony chronically killed all his best earners constantly
walt wouldn't care as long as you didn't bring any heat
not even a debate for me
>tony chronically killed all his best earners constantly
They were all justified except for Ralph. I admit killing him for a point of no return, because Tony just killed an innocent man over ego matters. Much like Walt and Mike
Killing Ralph was the downfall of Tony, literally. Tony would have lived to fight it out in court with the Feds if he didn’t execute his golden goose that kept New York in line with handsome sums of money. Carmine said it himself when he was alive, there were millions of dollars at stake at Tony ruined it
>Tony ruined it
Vito kept the construction money rolling in
walt actually risked his life to save jessie didnt he? tony seems like the safe choice at first but he'd whack your ass if he had too
Tony also looked after christopher when phil was after animal blundetto.
im looking at it from the perspective you're anon but just working for them. both walter and tony had morons working for them but tony only really cared about his close circle i feel like walter would care more because you arent some italian related to him
Walt didn't give a frick about combo, skinny pete or badger
>that recoil
and you'd think you're a jessie?
Well, most of Breaking Bad took place over the course of a single year, did it not? What does that tell you about Walter?
Tony. It really wasn’t that hard to not be on his bad side, as long as you earned and didn’t disrespect him, whereas Walter would throw you under the bus on a whim
Tone
Ol Tone, he would leave you alone as long as you didn't frick around and veer off into uncharted territory or venture off into random bullshit like chris did, i frickin hated that homosexual and his whole story/character arc.
I would rather work for Phil because the Lupertazzis are a REAL mafia family compared to the glorified crew that Tony runs
Why didn't he just change his name back?
Tony. Walt was a piece of shit plus a petty and vindictive baby who betrayed anyone at the slightest perceived insult.
Tony, you get to eat good food, you'd get manipulated less and you'd hear great one liners. With walt you are just his errand boy until he decides to have another person kill you.
I'm honestly going with Walt. He was really loyal to Jessie, despite everything, right up until he had no choice. Tony's a selfish nut case who will through you under the bus quick as spit. He was loyal to no one. I'd cook in Walt's tent houses, show him respect and make a fortune.
t. Todd
Thank you. Great example of making it working for Walt. Even though he seemed half moronic.
Walt is the better deal maker
Walt had next to no competition. Tony is constantly negotiating with other members of the mafia and other dodgy business and political connections.
>Tony
Only if it's really low level associate shit. Basically anything that isn't tied too close with the mafia. As long as you're on his good side he treats you well.
>Walter
On the surface looks like someone you could get along with perfectly. But most certainly would drag you into a situation you don't want to be in, no matter who you are or how close you work with him.
Tony but only if he pounds my pussy in between assignments
have a nice day homosexual scum
Would that mean I can be with my love, gandolfini?
Tony. Doing low risk modest stuff that still left you connected in some way. Just know your place as an associate, try not to hear too much, and hang out at the bing all day.
Beats soaking in chemicals with Walt sperging out all day while being a target for the cartels simply for existing in that world.
Glorifed crew by a longshot.
the only thing that fricked over walter in the end was jesse being a moron. if you worked for walt, as long as youre not a massive bleeding heart pussy you can retire with 8 figures easy
Tony because he wasn’t a drug dealing beta
Walter so long as cartel is not involved in my biz
What about pic related? Would you work for him?
100%
I would much prefer him over Walter or Tony even though he's arguably the most evil fricker of them all. He's much more principled and consistent.
No. I would actually get killed in this scenario.
Assuming I could choose my role within their network then Walter. Feels like the most lucrative positions in Tony's family involve too much heat. With Walt ideally I'd have connections to Saul, Mike, Madrigal, etc. and can slowly phase out into something more legit through laundering.
But you'll meet a bitter end eventually. All of Walt's circle got fricked over one way or another. I'm pretty sure one of the major themes throughout BB is everyone who Walt came into contact with ended up either dead or worse off than when they started. Like, in hindsight you want absolutely nothing to do with him.
You just have to play it safe, do what he says, not try to get in the way of his pride, and you'll be fine. Like Kuby.
You could probably get invited to all the casino nights they had at the cat house listening to the guys breaking balls all day just by being a good customer who did not break balls and take loans you couldnt easily pay back.
Walt. Better to die in the desert than live in New Jersey
Tony. I get some good food.
walter
As long as you weren't too stupid, greedy, or annoying and could stand the occasional ball breaking without taking it personally like a b***h, Tony would have no problem with you and would let you do your own thing. Tony's problem is that he was surrounded by incompetents, drug addicts, idiots, and power grabbers. The people in the crew who didn't have any of those problems like Patsy or Silvio (outside of that one time) got along perfectly fine without any conflict.
Waltuh is a catty little thin skinned b***h who has a superiority complex because he actually knows his trade but also has zero common sense when it comes to anything else and no interpersonal skills so he will eventually find problems to cause with you even if it's because you started to become competent and made him feel less needed than he feels he should be.
>people in the crew who didn't have any of those problems like Patsy
lol
lmao even
Nearly everyone Walt worked with died (sometimes by Walt), got enslaved by neo nazis and had their qt goth gf od (bc of Walt), or had to spend years on the run and then spend life in prison. The only exceptions I can think of are Badger (or was it Otter?) and that really skinny Mexican guy.
With Tony you could at least get a fairly stable low level position. Not perfect in the long term of course bc there’s a decent chance you’ll get hurt/killed in some mob related fight/shootout or get entangled by the FBI and you have to choose between spending decades in prison or becoming a rat and getting killed by Tony, but odds are much better and most of the guys in Tony’s employ have gotten by at least alive and out of prison, for the most part, for decades.
Tony
Implying your Italian and could get made eventually
>start off working for a crew, going around making collections or whatever shenanigans
>invest any money you have in something simple like vending machines giving you a steady income and a steady kick up the ladder
>just keep growing bigger and bigger with this
>find another more level headed guy who's at your level and start your own crew
>buy a front buisness like big pussy and the mechanic shop
>that, plus vending machienes and other legal schemes will give enough income for you to keep giving steady money to Tony, not draw too much heat.
>everynow and then you'll need to be brutal to some random junkies or drug dealers to let others know you are ruthless, give 90% of those earnings to Tony.
Basically be loyal, dont compete with anyone for power or positions let them have it, keep them happy. don't be an butthole, and give good steady income to your higher ups and you'll be fine. Also build your house like a fortress, keep fit, and train regularly with firearms. Hell even join the national guard to get training, and tell the guys it makes you look like a better citizen.
>you work for me now
Tulsa cuck
Technically there were guys doing normal jobs like garbagemen that worked under Tony so I’d pick that.
>Technically there were guys doing normal jobs like garbagemen that worked under Tony so I’d pick that.
clean it up janny
Walter
Just let Walter be top dog & just DONT let him know I know he cooks meth, and i'll be fine.
Tony will be subconsciously searching for every opportunity to make me his debt slave/prisoner forever at every moment I spend with him. Frick that
>work for walt
>unaware he cooks meth
Pick one, unless you want to work at the car wash.
Being is a position similar to beansie was probably the best place to be.
I mean if I worked with Walter and was in on the crime, I would get the frick away immediately because every character in his entire vicinity gets completely fricked over.
But, Walter isn't an evil parasite. He's just single-minded and willing to be a c**t to get where he is going. I can work with that. Tony is just a cancer that is constantly looking to infect everything and everyone around him to his own benefit.
Walt wasn’t even a bad business partner. Everyone he crossed did something to annoy him
>Tuco being Tuco
>Gus tried to kill Jesse to replace him with Gale
>Mike refused to give up his snitch
>I forgot what Jesse did but wasn’t he partially responsible for Hank’s death?
The only person who didn’t deserve Walt’s wrath was Gale. He literally did nothing wrong
I pick neither. Just not gonna choose is all.
I think I could survive Walt better than Tony. I can deal with psychos by being useful and generally people like me. In Walt's world, I'm less likely to be killed by a short-sighted moron with anger issues. And if I do get killed, I can be useful enough to Walt and Gus that I know my family is taken care of and my killer gets crucified. In Tony's gang, if one of his closer friends goes full guido moron and shoots me dead in a parking lot, Tony's just going to help cover my death up.
Walt simply because the chance of actually striking it rich seems higher. The Sopranos shows us a world of organized crime in rapid decline. The money is drying is up and the Feds are increasingly intense in their war against the mob. Members at all levels are increasingly ratting out to the Feds and it just seems like the walls are caving in from all sides. Opportunities to make a name for yourself seem very hard to come by.
There’s a good chance you get Gale’d under Walt, but we see many characters make large fortunes in very short periods of time. The challenge is to actually make it out and away from Walt. Jesse and Saul were the only two who did.
Those weren't Walt's guys, those were Mike's gaseous shitters. Me? I'm solid. That would never happen to me.
He went above and beyond to help Badger.
because badger could put him in prison
Tony. If you were loyal and earn, he'd treat you well.
Walt ruins everybodies' lives who he crossed
Mike couldn't keep shit in line. His own solid guys were trying to kill him.
OOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
ITS DE BOOOHS YU TOAAKIN ABAAAAT!
Walt.
I am 140 IQ and could never work for a moron like tony
If fricking Lydia could turn his guys on him then anyone could.
Tony. Just keep your head down and don't be a moron and you'll be alright. If you need out, flee the country on "vacation" or flip and get witness protection.
Walter is a narcissistic moron who actively uses people as pawns and will have no issue setting you or your loved ones up to be killed, exposed, tortured, or mutilated just by virtue of being within his radius of activity.
None! I hate working!
Tony.
Walter was crazy unstable.
Tony takes care of his own as long as you deliver and don’t frick around.
Tony was crazy and unstable in season 6. What he did to Bobby was fricked up.
You could say it was cruel but it wasn't crazy and he wasn't unstable.
Bobby never made his bones and all he did was fix that
Bobby punched the boss
Neither. Both are unstable loose cannon homosexuals who will kill you if you cause them the slightest inconvenience. If I had to pick one, Walt, because I could take him in a fight and he probably made more money than Tony
Tony & I Julius Caeser him with New York's backing.
The reality is that both have narcissistic personality disorder (or something similar) and your situation would always be extremely risky either way. Having worked for someone like that (although not in criminal enterprise, granted) I can say its always a fight to stay on their good side and they can turn on a dime despite your best efforts. Every time you affirm your loyalty they will give you tests with increased stakes/more demanding and if you demur at all you're fricked.
They're both terrible people but
Walter is the safer choice
I have to go with Walt as he's the only one I know.
He got fricked because his associates kept fricking everything up and he felt altruistic enough to intervene. I'm just going to be skinny Pete and badger tier.
Tony is a professional with decades of experience that knows what he's doing.
Walt is flying blind most of the time and has to Macgyver his way out of jams he brought on himself or call Saul.
>iq 136
>terrible boss
>whacked like a dog
Walt's bad at business, definitely Tony.
lol, fricking moronic teenager zoomers who only consoooooming ytp shorts mistake Tony for a good boss, He's a typical double standard fatfrick who runs a teenage polak prostitute while disgusted by pedophile PE teacher, he's literally a schizo,
In Walter's case he would have died in peace in 70s if he had killed junkie jesse already, he was a good man
*70's
>who runs a teenage polak prostitute
When?
Tony is more chill walt is annoying
Tony: Beats you to death with his bare hands.
Walt: Shoots you and lets you bleed out.
I suppose the real question is which method of death is less painful.
a lot more money to be made with walt, smaller crew to frick up or to have to pay, you can just work with him for a year or 2 and retire with a couple millions to another state or country so you won't get dragged into some gang or police problems.
walter is also less of a psycho that won't just beat you up out of nowhere or have you killed at a whim because he is feeling insecure or paranoid.
you also won't have to deal with violent mobster, anyone in this board is much closer to a chemistry nerds than to a mobster.