Whos more overrated of the two?

Whos more overrated of the two?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman, no contest

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Batman wins again

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp. Wolverine has never had a fanbase as obnoxious as Batman's "PREP TIME" obsessed gays, and DC is constantly sucking the bat off. If anything Marvel is far too willing to humiliate Wolverine and make him constantly job, kind of undermines his whole "master martial artist" thing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Wolverine keeps losing at Marvel
        >Batman keeps winning at DC
        Batman's prep time is so good that Wolverine doesn't even know he's jobbing because of prep time.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >X-Men '97
          >Deadpool & Wolverine
          >Supposedly the main character of Secret Wars
          Meanwhile Batman's next movie might not be for years, and his next show is about his fat degenerate rogue villain

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Supposedly the main character of Secret Wars
            Honestly would be really funny with how fricking dirty the original Secret Wars did the X-Men.
            >The entire team jobs to Spider-Man.
            >The entire team plus Magneto job to The fricking Wasp

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batwank is cancerous but Wolverine feels like a joke half the time.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman's effects have damaged the super hero genre as a whole.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wolverine is the first hero to brainwash audiences into thinking he can be a true blue public figure alongside Cap, Ironman and the Fantastic Four despite being a remorseless killer and spitting on the principles a traditional superhero stands for, he's basically pr villain pretending to be a superhero. Hell his power isnt regenerating, it's being a anti hero superhero(a goddamn paradox in the world where thats as bad as being a full blown supervillain). Deadpool later takes his place.

      At least Batman for all his methods, doesn't masquerade as a murderer and costumed do gooder, and is as pure and justice hearted as Superman

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Agreed
        Wolverine popularized the
        >since my defenseless normal human enemy is a hateful shitbag, I'm justified in chopping him up
        torture revenge porn that plagues tons of modern comics

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The problem is the kinda Eastwood era anti-hero that clearly inspired how Wolverine was eventually written were never designed to fit the traditionally heroic format of the superhero and often weren't even out to save the day. And this unfortunately bled into comics anti-heroes in general who started all missing the point

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But he kills "bad guys" so it's okay. Like every other 80's trope in bad guy flicks where rambo mows down 300 people in a movie 'cause they were bad. This is mouth breather level diagnosis. You understand these are works of fiction also and the grey area is what makes them interesting. Everything in black and white would make for shitty writing.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Everything in black and white would make for shitty writing.

          How come Spidey a more lighter hero in comparison is more popular and compelling than said Grey violent masculine manlet?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because Spidey is proto-Harem MC
            Down to "WOE IS ME THE WORLD OUT TO GET ME!!"

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              #
              >Because Spidey is proto-Harem MC
              > Only known for 3 chicks in his history and one off girlfriends he's never fricked

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Spider-Man is not entirely black and white. He has to deal with the world hating him for doing good things, save people like Jameson who ruin his reputation, and some of his villains are sympathetic and can't always be punched-out.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              None of that seems to be as bad as Wolverines stories, Spideys heckled by a city of ignorant idiots and usually gets to prove them wrong eventually, Logan literally is cursed to have immortal grudges from his past catch up to him and literally goes throw the world's hell because he had to be a animal that refused to be caged. Plus he's more likely to suffer more than Peter in having Cosmic horror based enemies out for his blood. Peter's a children's hero in comparison.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought Rorschach was the template for all edgy comic book antiheroes from the 80s onwards

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's a remorseful killer. He literally talks Storm out of killing Emma Frost in Claremont's original X-Men run you dingus. Calm your hateboner a little.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You've never actually read a Wolverine comic, have you?
        Fun fact: Colossus has a higher body count than Wolverine in the original Chris Claremont run (i.e the iconic, character defining one and the only X-Men run that matters.) The guy isn't the fricking Punisher, he's not killing frickers left and right.
        Hell, I'd argue that OG Cyclops is a bigger scumbag than OG Wolverine, given that he cheats on his wife and gets an innocent, confused pair of young mutants killed. Meanwhile Wolverine has turned to religion to help control his feral instincts and is constantly trying to be a better person.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Early series Wolverine was being a scumbag dick who was a serial stalker and womanizer of over the top proportions. Plus the entirety of Old Man Logan is pretty much everyhing I said.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Early series Wolverine was being a scumbag dick who was a serial stalker and womanizer of over the top proportions.
            Sure but that's a far cry from the rampant sadistic murderer you described him as. It's good to have an butthole on the team, helps with team dynamics. You wouldn't argue that Johnny Storm is a bad super hero too, would you?
            >Plus the entirety of Old Man Logan is pretty much everyhing I said.
            Yeah and that's also a What If scenario. That'd be like judging characters based on their Marvel Zombies interpretations.
            I'm not going to defend modern Wolverine specifically because I don't give enough of a shit about poorly written drivel, and weirdly there hasn't been a single worthwhile comic written since the 90s.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Logan knows who he is. He's also willing to kill people who he thinks deserve it. He knows his soul is stained and doesn't pretend he's a cap level paragon of justice what the frick are you smoking. He's just a hero willing to do wetwork. Hardly remorseless though that just proves you don't know the character. There's a big difference between killing in rage and being willing to kill to save others. Batman has never been to war, would he kill others to protect his country or coward out with a batarang and frick up Jason to save the Joker who will kill again? We'll never know because the writers are too cowardly to put bruce up against a real moral dilemma.

        https://imgur.com/gallery/KiW7W

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There's a big difference between killing in rage and being willing to kill to save others.
          Wolverine has done both, but he's more notorious for the former more than the latter. A better example of someone that understands willing to kill to save others but understanding the weight of the action are ironically paragons like Superman and Captain America. Let's not gloss over the piles of bodies Wolverine left in his wake when he very easily choose not to. Nearly every superhero shows restraint, even the ones that could easily slaughter an army with a gesture, so why not him? When a character has a body count that would make even the Punisher recount his own tally, that's not a character that understands the difference all too well.
          >Hardly remorseless though that just proves you don't know the character.
          Wouldn't know it with how eager he is to kill compared to his contemporaries. People who are remorseful don't practically display an almost sadistic glee of killing people that have no chance of putting them down. When a monster fueled by their own Id like the Hulk has more restraint in killing people, you're going to have a hell of a time trying to convince people that they aren't remorseless. Just because he has a few moments of reflection for a panel or two on how monstrous he is doesn't mean that he won't be running some hapless frickwads through a blender in the next page, actions speak louder than words.

          IIRC they even went meta with it for a while with a superhero pen and paper RPG from decades ago where Marvel characters get penalized for killing, the reasoning being that the characters suffered some kind of severe SAN hit for the act and it fricks them up, want to guess the only superhero character that didn't get affected by that rule?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Nearly every superhero shows restraint, even the ones that could easily slaughter an army with a gesture, so why not him?
            Because Logan doesn't identify himself as a hero. He's just Logan.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Because Logan doesn't identify himself as a hero.
              Neither does Punisher, yet one is given the regard a rampant killer deserves by others, while the other gets in on superhero team group shots.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wolverine isn't as autistic as Frank. He at least knows when to reign it in.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Wolvie isn't autistic
                >Simps for a red head in her youngin years even tho he's done it with every chick imaginable

                .....

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Nearly every superhero shows restraint, even the ones that could easily slaughter an army with a gesture, so why not him?
            Beserker Rage is literally his weakness

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              #

              Wolverine isn't as autistic as Frank. He at least knows when to reign it in.

              #
              I though Wolverine was the most autistic since he hates being social with anyone but women for some reason

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This isn't Warrior's Madness which has an actual divine/magical component to it and is universally regarded as a bad thing to get lost in, he just has significant anger issues. If you told a super team full of non-killers, hey this guy just sometimes flips out and loses his fricking nut in fights and just starts killing people, it would be a damn near unanimous decision to keep him far the frick away from them.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >would he kill others to protect his country
          This has been answered multiple times both in-canon and outside of canon. When there is no other option, he would. When the universe or planet is at stake, he also would.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            #
            Wolverine is shown slicing and murdering thrown common criminals on occasion because frick em they're idiots that bother him or are in his way, his moral stances are unreliable and abused his kill rule as much as Frank does

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I miss this Batman. I wish the Batman who goes NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T KILL THE MASS MURDERING PSYCOPATH BECAUSE then DC would have to create more villains YOU'LL BE JUST LIKE HIM!!!! would just go away.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Batman. At least Wolverine only carried X-Men, compared to Batman carrying his own stories, Justice League, and DC as a whole.

        A rich playboy typed this out.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Pansie ass Rich Goth boy ain't got stones to do a true heroes work, that scrawny clown would be in hell already if it weren't for this no kill rule bullshit -Wolverine

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >would be in hell already if it weren't for this no kill rule bullshitt
            Except he wouldn't be, which is also why Marvel villains are also alive. Which is why it makes 0 difference whether a hero kills or not, aside from aesthetics. The rare exception is if it's a self-contained story or the character is set in his own solo universe. Then writers can typically get away with that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed
      Wolverine popularized the
      >since my defenseless normal human enemy is a hateful shitbag, I'm justified in chopping him up
      torture revenge porn that plagues tons of modern comics

      I wish the issues with modern comics boiled down to something as simple as this.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batsy,no doubt. He's genuinely a great character and hero,but has become so much of a gary stu it hurts!! dunno why so many authors have now this fixation of making him an unstoppable god

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's the ultimate "turn a nerd into their coolest selves and projection" fantasy, Spidey and Wolvie are a close second.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Whos third?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Whos third?

        Easily Dr Who.

        The whole character is basically a nerd self insert projection character that godmodes into every single genre and series who defeats all enemies through his superior knowledge of the setting and characters, and his amazing
        >I knew it all along, I was only pretending to be slowed down by you!
        deep lore of everything everywhere. Nearly every one of his lines can be done by Comic Book Guy with no changes needed.

        He is the undefeatable, super smarter than everyone, wiki spouting genre nerd that goes to the Star Wars galaxy one week, then steps onto the enterprise next week, then walks around the Galactica after that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well maybe but I would argue even the most doctors aren't perfect being and always have flaws.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Doctor literally admits he can see every timeline and just nudges his to become a good one. And he still fricks up and gets people killed every single episode. He's hardly a flawless god self insert just because he beats the villains of the week. He can't keep his friends alive or the civilians along the way.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Wolvie
        But Wolvie isn't a nerd though?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's acts like Chad but becomes awkward around girls with anti social tendencies being a total weeabo. Yeah he's a nerd in spirit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That anon can correct me, but I think he meant that those characters are what nerds project themselves into to fulfill their power fantasies, because even if Wolverine isn't a nerd, he's definitely a character that a nerd could see as wish fulfillment:
          >comes off as the scary guy to people smarter, more successful, and powerful than him
          >pulls and fricks any woman he wants despite being smelly, mentally unstable, and gross
          >is not easy to kill, can essentially just flail his arms wildly in a fight like a typical nerd and the other guy will dead while he'll be just fine no matter the damage incurred
          >is somehow in every friend circle despite having terrible social qualities that would have him seen as a pariah in most, moreso if those groups are even slightly aware of his background
          He definitely ticks off a lot of boxes.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know, I never really see Logan getting the girl. Normally Cyclops and Angel get the ladies all the time while Logan is the brooding loner that sits in a dark corner and smokes or drinks by himself.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >while Logan is the brooding loner that sits in a dark corner and smokes or drinks by himself.

              Only on non comic media, and that's for kids not adults like the comics are. Theirs lots of graphic sex scenes in the books with Logan and women he's saved. Nerds love to write him the best in what he does there

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Only on non comic media
                You just proved comics are fanfiction by self inserts. And they barely sell too lol.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Superman is the blueprint of this sort of thing.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But no one wants to be superman, minus the powers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They did when he was extremely popular.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Only because people want his powers with none of the restraint or responsibility.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, except self-inserters and edgelords would rather be Batman than Superman, 9 out of 10 times.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >more overrated

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anyone who uses the term "overrated in any capacity should be shot"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's pretty long and specific for a "term"

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman though both deserve to frick off

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wolverine. He's not interesting when he isn't part of a team, and Batman at least has a good rogue's gallery for his solo stories.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Wolverine has Sabretooth and that's about it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Gorgon

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this thread is full of shit taste

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then why did you click here?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is just full of "hur I hate popular thing".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its valid if it's true.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, yeah, it's true Cinemaphile hates popular things.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dont hate Wolverine but his popularity feels like a forced meme. How is he even interesting?

    >Superpower is indestructible claws
    >Also he can never die ever

    His personality could carry the character if they leaned into the over the top masculinity of the character like Jack Reacher but Marvel is ran by a bunch of effeminate homosexuals so we will never get that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wolverine is like the proto sasuke, just insufferable edginess for the sake of shallow marketing to be trendy for a otherwise Bland product.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >sasuke
        He had almost no edge. You just hated the popular guy in your class out of jealousy hence such archetype comes as insufferable to you.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I am going to kill my brother out of vengeance for killing our entire family!
          >Later I will destroy the entire village where I was raised out of vengeance for screwing over my family
          >Curse Mark
          >Giant flaming demonic Stand entity with purple flames
          He's not a king of it by any means, but Sasuke is plenty edgy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I dont hate Wolverine but his popularity feels like a forced meme. How is he even interesting?
      Mysterious backstory made him one of the more immediately interesting members of the All New All Different X-Men, and he's an edgy hardass who clearly had more experience than the other members of the team. Plus the writers liked to give him a mentorship role over younger members, which gave him a relatable soft side.
      Over time he was kind of ruined though as writers started to over explain his backstory and ruin a lot of the mystique that drew readers in the first place. That plus Wolverine wank and the X-Men embargo hurt his popularity somewhat (though he's still really popular thanks in large part to the films)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God, this. Oh, let's tell his origin story. Oh, let's give him kids. Oh, let's make a female clone. Hey, remember that toy they made in the '90s, the spy one? Let's make that a story. We can even put Sabertooth on the team!
        Christ almighty, less is more with Logan's back story, folks.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman. He has money to buy gadgets to makeup for his inabilities. Wolverine only has his healing factor to protect him from his frick ups.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The one who is appearing in the most comics with zero thought behind how they're supposed to fit in continuity

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This
      The Batoffice have no control over the writers which is why the continuity for the Batman books have become a fricking joke
      They tried in Infinite Frontier to make things make sense but it all went to shit the moment Zdarsky and Ram V. took over Batman and Tec and decided to ignore each other completely while both doing giant sagas with very few break points for the plots of the other books to happen

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There’s no group editor either at the moment.
        I wouldn’t worry about it though, the comics are dead irrelevant trash anyways.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There’s no group editor either at the moment.
          This shit happened with a group editor at the helm
          Now the main Batman title is doing a storyline heavily featuring Damian while the actual dedicated Batman and Robin comic is doing some other bullshit and might as well be non-canon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And I’ll get even worse because now there isn’t one at all. Zdarsky talked about how they use to have Gotham meetings and now they don’t even do that, and this is before Ben left.
            Zero communication at DC and books are forgetting and contradicting each other.
            Face bro, this is just fanfiction that the company itself has given up on. Jim Lee knows this is fricked so he won’t bother doing anything about it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >continuity
      What?
      where have you been, fake continuity fan?

      EVERYTHING IS CANON, even those batman comicbooks that you don't like. Every run is canon, even the ones you hate (also the ones you love)

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if Marvel treated every other character they had like a joke just to make Wolverine look even better

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They make him cuck Cyclops and half the male hero community by fricking women they had dated. I'd say that more personally than making Batman beat Superman occasionally.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >making Batman beat Superman occasionally

        More like the entire League. Are there any instances of Wolverine bodying the high tier Avengers like Thor?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He scraped with Thor without getting insta vaporized and cut his skin. He slo fights Hulk regularly.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >He scraped with Thor without getting insta vaporized and cut his skin.
            I hate it when Thor is characterized as a dull-witted boob that doesn't know how to fight. He's got thousands of years of practical experience over anyone on Earth, none of them should hold a candle to him in a fight.
            >He slo fights Hulk regularly.
            I feel like everybody has scrapped with, and won, against Hulk at some point.

            Batman definitely. I don't think Wolverine is even that popular anymore. Batman is something people just can't stop jerking off over despite the character being extremely cheesy and mediocre.

            Batman somehow only got stronger over time with his overexposure while people got burned out on Wolverine's overexposure, but that doesn't stop Wolverine from being more overrated.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I hate it when Thor is characterized as a dull-witted boob that doesn't know how to fight. He's got thousands of years of practical experience over anyone on Earth, none of them should hold a candle to him in a fight.

              It's particularly funny when he turns right about and does shit like just disabling Magneto's powers because he knows how electromagnetism works or abusing the shit out of Mjolnir's recall function to thrash the frick out of people.

              >I feel like everybody has scrapped with, and won, against Hulk at some point.

              Not literally everyone, but a lot of them yeah. With that said there's a decent stretch of time where Wolverine was one of the Go-To guys for "Oh frick the Hulk is on a rampage" along with the Thing on account of being tough enough to survive him and able to hurt him, so they had that happen a few times.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              anyone who uses the term "overrated" in any capacity should be shot

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I thought Wolverine has fought the Hulk to a stalemate a few times (probably in the 80s or 90s)

            Hulk is a special case, Wolverine was created to serve as a one-shot Hulk antagonist.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It seems redundant since hulk is meant to be a god like strength monster and Wolverine is just a standard meta human or peak physical mutant.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wolverine was introduced in the time before Hulkwank

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                when did Hulkwank begin? World War Hulk?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wolverine. Batman is stupidly omnipresent, but I feel he's a more versatile character that at least stands for something, even if that something can get a bit moronic, and is at least somewhat consistent with his characterization. Him getting over on his colleagues is annoying, though, same with trying to make him the most dangerous person in the room. Wolverine, on the other hand, just feels like an edgelord that everyone suspiciously tolerates for no good reason, changes his stance on things as much as we change underwear, is a notorious and damn near psychopathic killer that joins teams full of non-killers, worse since they don't blink when half the room is covered in gore and body parts, or if they do, just forget about it so they can be shocked when he does it again. He's just Punisher with knife hands and regeneration and the cliche mysterious past, right down to being recruited to doing glowie work, except Punisher gets reasonably shit on for being a near uncontrollable murderer while Wolverine is seen as a team staple that pals around with Spider-Man, someone who tends to loathe murderers. Same with Batman, trying to make him the most dangerous person in the room never makes sense since he's pretty low on the totem pole for powers and abilities, but unlike Batman, he's not a strategic, tactical, or scientific genius with gadgets to make up for his physical shortcomings.

          Thor's a consummate jobber, IIRC he was beaten by Captain America in some alternate universe where he took over the world and almost had his fricking head taken off by his shield. I wouldn't use his more embarrassing moments as proof of anything.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly, and maybe I'm on the opposite end of the usual perspective here, but I've always felt like Gambit served Wolverine's role as a kind of anti authority man with a dark past much better since he feels like a more well rounded character that has killed before, but it was reluctant, has a character arc that actually shows logical evolution, comparing him from the start as a more edgy lone wolf with the occasional ladies man charm to now where he's more a dashing thief that's become a mentor to younger X-Men, is happily married, and he just feels more engaging as a character. I posted this page a few days back and I think it holds up well to the type of character Gambit can be now compared to what he was at initial release.
            Wolverine just doesn't have that rounded arc to me, like you said, he seems to flip flop on opinions on every comic, is buddies with Spider-Man and Cap despite being a manlet Punisher and has a backstory that just seems designed to check off boxes that explain why he can do shit (except when he can't)
            Batman at least gets a pass to me when he's in his own setting fighting street level shit or investigating mysteries

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'd give Gambit more of a shot if he can fulfill the role of a character that has seen and done shit his whole life but has legitimately settled down, quit his worst habits, and has tried to turn things around by being a better influence to people younger than him, as you described. Compared to Wolverine who continues to engage in bad habits, continues to engage in self-sabotaging actions, and doesn't seem like he's improved despite efforts to make it only seem like he's "quit that life," yet is made to come off as someone that can try to Aesop life lessons to a younger generation that have far better choices to take mentorship roles from.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think you'd legit like Remy, then. He still is a bit rough around the edges when it comes to the occasional back talk and still does thieving when the itch comes, but it's clear he's gotten a lot of his wilder side dialed down and is activity doing his best in his solo and side story stuff. It's all pretty solid imo

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I thought Wolverine has fought the Hulk to a stalemate a few times (probably in the 80s or 90s)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You just want somebody to post that page of Wolverine being too fast for Thor to hit don’t you

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman by far

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wolverine killed Wondy in their fight, I say he's more loved by fan fight debaters.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Define "overrated" first.
    Batman gets wanked in a way that feats stretch any credibility even for capeshit in an attempt to make an ultimately normal (plot armor aside) human seem impressive next to a guy who could rape you 100 different ways without you being able to react or a space cop who could create anything as long as his imagination allows it.
    Which understandably causes friction with fans of other heroes when writers steer too hard into the overcompensation territory and make said heroes seem lesser. The moron fans latching onto the dumb "Batman can beat everyone with preptime" meme don't really help matters and are a major source of fueling the opinion that Batman is overrated. So you can say Batman is overrated when you look at him that way.
    That said Batman is generally fine when sticking to low-level Gotham crime or maybe international Ra's Al Ghul plots.
    Wolverine also gets wanked, except his feats are all on-paper. You could read how he's this super-dangerous ex-Special Forces operator, ex-government assassin, James Bond-tier glowie and ninja who knows a shitton of martial arts and has centuries of combat experience. In the actual comics he's more often than not a fricking moron who doesn't seem to know much about combat beyond Leroy Jenkins-ing his way into getting his ass kicked. Which I guess, does make him overrated in away.
    But since he's the edgy "I take no orders from anyone" rebel appealing to certain kinds of teens ehhh, know this firsthand, so he became popular enough to get shoehorned everywhere.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anyone who uses the term "overrated" in any capacity should be shot

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman definitely. I don't think Wolverine is even that popular anymore. Batman is something people just can't stop jerking off over despite the character being extremely cheesy and mediocre.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Batman is something people just can't stop jerking off over despite the character being extremely cheesy.
      What’s your metric for Batman still being very popular? His animated movies don’t sell as much, comic sales altogether are down, The Batman had so many advantages including a month to itself and inflated ticket prices yet still didn’t make as much as the Marvel movies in the same period.

      And Batman is normal outside the comics and gets his ass kicked alot. I’d say Superman is more wanked in that area. No one is reading the latter and they’re silly nonsense by nature of being comics so I don’t see him as overrated just overused.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What’s your metric for Batman still being very popular?
        NTA but people treat The Dark Knight like it's Citizen fricking Kane to this day.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You mean the movie hard carried by the Joker?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I agree with your statement but people really like Batman but REAL angle that TDK had.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not really, for that movie Joker was the main draw. All the buzz surrounded the actor, his death, and his performance.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, but you're going to have to explain how TDKR managed to be as successful as it was despite Ledger's death, when it was objectively a shitshow on a lot of fronts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it was a follow up the first.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the first
                Batman Begins? The film that did only a very modest $375M? Seriously, people wank TDK so fricking much that they forgot that there was even a trilogy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Batman Begins
                Didn’t that movie borderline flop and got saved by home media and a low production budget.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can't say for certain, I just know that whenever Nolan's Batman came up in discussions, it's always TDK and TDKR, and Batman Begins is almost always forgotten or give a slight nod before they move the discussion to something else.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It literally didn’t much money and is far less known, what do you think?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon asked if the movie borderline flopped and got saved by home media, and all I said is that I don't fricking know, I just know its total gross compared to how much more the sequels made, and was making the point that if it was only Ledger that was the appeal, then how did the sequel without him that was a shitshow in so many ways manage to make more?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Same reason why Avatar 2 made over a billion like the first despite being an even shitter movie and effects catching up in the modern age.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >All the buzz surrounded the actor, his death, and his performance.
                But nobody thinks about Heath Ledger's death nowadays. They honestly think TDK is a good movie all parts considered.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No one really thinks about the movie at all with the exception of some nerds online.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except the Nolanverse flicks are as normie as it gets you, utter buffoon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When it came out, no one really cares about those movies anymore. MCU had long-lasting normie slop yet it’s already fading.
                Discussion about them only exists within moronic nerd circles just like the Nolanverse. It’s called watching and moving on, something which chronically online gays can’t conceive of being a thing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >When it came out, no one really cares about those movies anymore.
                Yeah, I'm definitely talking to a moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah you only interact with people on the internet and it’s obvious. You have completely lost touch with normal people and the way they think.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You have completely lost touch with normal people and the way they think.
                Enough of your projection on the rest of us, moron.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who even relates to Logan besides hairy manlets

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone who's ugly and has rage sperg issues with women.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That can't be right I'm 3 for 3 there and still don't like snkt bub

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    both jumped shark in 00s. batwank post morrison prep time beat the justice league is insufferable. the writers that ran with it just pushed it to moronic lengths. having some potential counters for mindcontrol etc for jla members was gine and seemed in character. being prepped for every conceivable outcome of every fight super power they write him with now is fricking stupid.

    wolverine used to get fricked up all the time. he got knocked out, bullets hurt and could stop him temporarily. pain was a factor. they made his healing factor near instant and could recover everything and he can function without muscle or organs now. the jump shark moment was when he got nuked to just a skeleton and regenerated everything from nothing. now he is immortal, unkillable, unstoppable, feel no pain, still move without muscle or tendons, survive being on fire and function without the pain or agony and so on. hes not barely getting by because people underestimate or dont know he can heal or putting himself in situation normal people die from. shit like samurai fight where he is willing to get cut since he heals. should die and other guy takes the "free" kill only to get screwed by it. thats how he used to be written. outclassed, overpowered but guts out win through pain and suffering. now hes just moronic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      very poorly written.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Last I looked, overwhelming majority of all DC output was Bat books, Bat sidekick books, and Bat villain books. While most of the heroes do not currently have an ongoing. Aquaman, Hawkman, Young Justice, and JSA all cancelled. But we got a Penguin monthly, two Harley books, two Poison Ivy books, and the main Batman book is bi-weekly.

    What's Wolverine up to? Last I recall the Wolverine push, and Marvel sticking him into every team ended around 2009 or so. He always takes center stage in all things X-Men, but they have been pretty secondary for a while now.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would say Wolverine influenced comics way more in the late 80s since 90s era edge comics took most of its cues from Wolverine shit. Then all of a sudden everyone was shades of gray, edgy, hairy gruff, smoking angry guys with a heart of gold.

    >Batman influenced all tv and film stuff. 1989 Batman ushered in the era of the black leather costume and PG-13 rated dark superhero movies.
    >BTAS started the concept of just make an all new thing, don't bother adapting the comics, you don't even need to bother with the look of characters from the comic
    >Nolan Bats started the push for the absolutely totally REAL depiction that is REAL and could REALLY happen! with villains that are just guys in regular ol clothes, no costumes

    And now Batman has been elevated to the level of not possible to lose a fight no matter what to anyone ever. That's kind of an official stance from DC now, he is unstoppable and perfect.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If this happened, Logan is a dead man walking while being a certain Kryptonians target.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Scratch that, the entire Justice League is out for Logans blood.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bro im not even a huge batman fan but what the actual frick were they thinking?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is always happening to Batman wdym? It’s funny because his humiliation ritual was drawn out the longest. And he was the only one who had a pool of blood coming out his head.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This was worse LOL

          ?si=8wPxPj29NxX9yeF2&t=169

          Damn bros that just makes me sad I don't even follow or read his stuff why are they doing the man in this manner?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ?si=Q8X578Uv9h6JhdRe&t=113
            You tell me.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Writer was a Wolverine fan?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This was worse LOL

        ?si=8wPxPj29NxX9yeF2&t=169

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Source?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate how they did wolverine in like 90% of the things he is in

    >characterized as a warrior who learned a bunch of different fighting styles with high agility and strength
    >would be a perfect stealth warrior
    >screams and yells before every attack
    >ok fine he is an animistic berserker i can roll with that
    >gets his ass beat super fricking often by dumb shit
    >the 90s cartoon really fricking with him having him get pretty much one shot by sabertooth slicing him on the chest once
    Like he is set up to be one of the coolest characters who does not like berserkers ? they are like a staple in fiction but it feels like he gets slapped to the side by c tier people often enough

    Batman on the other hand is basically a fricking god who will never really die and can beat everyone he ever meets despite having 0 powers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He is normally depicted as a dumb shaved ape that facerolls into all trouble without a single thought because he will heal up no matter what. So all comic fights consist of Logan just fricking nuts and getting cut up and brutalized in the process, making him look extra stupid.

      Meanwhile cartoons are another animal entirely. All of a sudden he needs to be sidelined or made useless in some way because the guy with the deadliest shtick cannot go killing and shanking people on screen in a Y7 kids show. Also he cannot get bloody either. It's sort of the problem any time you have a sword guy in a cartoon, they are reduced to cutting ropes and dropping things on the bad guys, or they are the first one put down while the punchy guys come in and fight the villains.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "Wolverine and The X-Men" was a good show

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>the 90s cartoon really fricking with him having him get pretty much one shot by sabertooth slicing him on the chest once
      This was for character development though, they needed someone that would survive a severe blow to wake Charles up from his delusion that every single mutant is redeemable with a bit of love and care. Sabertooth would have been a piece of shit even if he wasn't a mutant and Charles was ignoring every single thing Logan was saying because of his irrational beliefs about the good in people.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wolverine's one sided "rivalry" with Cyclops comes off as unironic manlet rage
    Seriously, can any x-gay give me the canon reason why Logan hates Scott? It comes off as completely arbitrary, uncalled for and pathetic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He just wants to frick a hot red head, cucking Cyclops is not a concern to him.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He does not like taking orders from some what he see's as teachers pet brat.

      Hurts his pride he is also jealous and lonely.

      Alot of the time is does seem uncalled for unless jean was actually cheating on scott with logan at some point

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman gets more wank that deserved but honestly Wolverine is such a nothing character any like of him just comes from nothing

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a casual fan, I think Wolverine was awesome in the 80s/90s and deserved everything he got back then. 2000s I started not caring about X-Men and they seemed to make stupid choices with the character. Hugh Jackman in the movies was fine, but didn't like Wolverine being tall.

    I barely read the comics though, so take it with a grain of salt. Mostly watched the cartoon/movies, played games, and learned X-Men lore from my older brother who was obsessed with the comics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Overall, Batman seems to have more enduring popularity. X-Men doesn't feel nearly as big as when I was a kid, but Batman is still going pretty strong.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman has good stories
    Wolverine has sex with men

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wolverine will never have wholesome family moments like this (because he has sex with men)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Batman doesn't have sex with men. Just little boys.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The idea of 2 males having a good father/son relationship that helps both of them is lost on Cinemaphile users

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wolverine is a good character held back by The X-Men

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Today it's Batman, back in the 90s it was Wolverine.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wolverine peaked in the eighties/early nineties. His flanderization into a murderhobo has done tremendous damage to his character.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This.

      [...]
      Go touch grass

      Go back to touching boy-ass

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman is more overrated but he's still a better character so it doesn't really matter. DC is trying their best to run all his stuff into the ground though for some reason

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anyone who uses the term "overrated" in any capacity should be shot

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wolverine is faible as frick and the only way batman is faible is by being a cuck

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman. I don't see people wanking Wolverine nearly as much- in fact I don't see it ever.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman...and its not even close.
    Batman is easily the most overrated comic book character of all time.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spider-Man and the MCU is more overrated.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anyone who uses the term "overrated" in any capacity should be shot

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    idiots will say batman because he's more popular, but batman is also a much better character so the way it shakes out he's not as overrated

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anyone who uses the term "overrated" in any capacity should be shot

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be me
    >buddy has new girlfriend
    >we chilling on discord watching Spider-Man 2002
    >memeing have good time
    >she shits on Batman
    >kinda shocked really because literally everyone likes Batman
    >she don’t
    >be rational adult and joke around like I’m offended but ultimately express “hey it’s not for everyone I get it”
    >almost every time we do movie nights she sneaks in jab about Batman
    >play along with the bit
    >but also low key “what the frick?” get new material
    Why are Batman haters so obsessed? More Batman for me, don’t care if someone doesn’t enjoy Batman. Or is this just a case of woman not being funny and can’t come up with new material?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’ve met multiple people who see Batman as a joke. He’s a literal cartoon for fricks sake. The Nolan cringe Batman also turned him into an autistic meme with his duck lips.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fair enough man, everyone likes different stuff.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why are Batman haters so obsessed?

      That's how much Batman and Batgays have traumatized the rest of us. We can't have a Superman thread without a gang of Batgays gaying it up.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >enjoying Batman and Superman
        Unironically my favorite comic friendship when it’s not muddied with them fighting.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's a lot of truth there. It's seldom not muddied either by them fighting or the author propping up Batman by bringing Superman down.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Batgays make a thread to shit on Wolverine
    >Everyone shits on Batman instead
    >"NOOOOOOO STOP YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO PICK WOLVERINE IT'S NOT FAAAAAIR"
    kek

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      make a thread to shit on Wolverine
      OP doesn't like Batman or Wolverine and just wanted to watch their fans argue. you're playing right into his hands.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Go touch grass

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seethe

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Someone nuke DC and Marvel, all their stories are moronic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ok so what comics do you read Anon?

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think DC is worse than Marvel because they have more astroturfing activity.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batwank is so fricking bad now
    >Batman and Joker are the most dangerous men in the DC universe, and everyone else is alive cause they didn't feel like killing them!
    Frick off.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Wolverine is just Crap Timber Wolf.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wanna say batman. Wolverine has the same solution to every problem and it's not much of an asspull

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wolverine has the same solution to every problem and it's not much of an asspull

      It's worse because it makes him a goddammit hypocritical ass pull doing what he does in a team of non murdering decent people.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a team of non murdering decent people.
        We're not talking about the X-Men, right?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well he was on the Defenders and the FF.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Right, I keep forgetting thinly they kept spreading him to different teams during his push.
            >It's worse because it makes him a goddammit hypocritical ass pull doing what he does in a team of non murdering decent people.
            If anything, it makes the non-murdering people on the team look like a bunch of hypocrites.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neither.
    Batman is either dying, humilated, or jobbing in mainstream DC so idk why people complain so much about the comics. And DC is such a clusterfrick in the publishing division that nothing matters and there is no canon just random stories.

    Wolverine lost stream because of the lack of movies in recent years, but Deadpool/Wolverine is about to come out so we'll see how that does.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think the reason everyone involved in comics are schizos is because everyone related to big 2 comics (writers and editors) are sociopaths who are trying to tank their corporations on purpose. And the pay is awful so they attract low quality shitheads.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    100% it's Batman
    The entirety of the Didio era was tearing down previously established franchises and bolstering the Batman franchise. They occasionally kept a D lister book going 6-24 issues past the point the cancellation because Didio thought they would make a good adaptation (Manhunter, Blue Beetle) but once the book was cancelled that D lister usually became team fodder.

    Now they've reached the point where pretty much only Batman sells due to many fans of other teams/characters moving on, but the remaining fans of the non Batman characters are fairly vocal and have shown they can unionize against Batman (the Superboy vs SSD poll) so DC IS aware they exist... they just have no fricking idea how to get more fans to the point of being able to sell a book.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      DC as far as IPs goes, needs to put all their focus back into everything else but the comics. Sorry but the publishing division is unsavable and superhero comics as a whole are suffering from dwindling readership and are generally disconnected from everything else.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dont know
      Maybe they should not fricking over GL

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The way the entire line just collapsed after Johns left lol.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fans of the other characters are picky. As soon as they mess up they immediately stop supporting and frick off.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The way the entire line just collapsed after Johns left lol.

        Fans of the other characters are picky. As soon as they mess up they immediately stop supporting and frick off.

        They should just stick Rainbow Jedi, instead of whatever the frick currently is

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're both just better than the majority of characters. It's like saying The Godfather is an overrated film. I guess it is but I'd still pop it in the laser disc player instead of Gigli.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anyone who uses the term "overrated" in any capacity should be shot

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spider-Man and it's not even close

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spiderman receives automatic love because he's the perfect superhero.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        perfect side kick more like it

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Batman's modus operandi makes more sense actually. Don't get me wrong, I like it when heroes kill, but it creates the paradox of villains being alive. Batman's moral code makes meta sense.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >dude just give your money to the poor
    That would make for an incredibly boring comic. Unimaginative people shouldn't even read non-fiction.

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anyone who uses the term "overrated" in any capacity should be shot

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It's a bot. I've seen it numerous times getting triggered by the word "overrated".
    Also, I'm feeling hurt
    >write an effortpost for once in my life
    >the only response is from a bot
    That's a kick in the balls.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      serves you right for using that homosexual term

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Seethe.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both have one of the best records for good stories and most of their runs have been great. So it goes to Wolverine over Batman for having a slightly longer record of good stories.

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the more successful one.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wolverine.

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Could Batman beat Wolverine with minimum preptime?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly with how wanked Bruce is as a martial artist and how Wolverine is basically the Worf of the X-Men, I'm sure most writers would give him the win in a no prep fight. He obviously can't kill Logan outside of maybe using his bullshit bat armor, but he could probably stun him for long enough to bind him in some way.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure he has a bullshit powerful magnet somewhere, that should easily do it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wolverine isn't much of a threat. He's sort of dangerous in a fight but he's not that hard to incapacitate. Some bat super magnet nonsense would be enough

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batisraelite and it's not even close

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Death Battle has a pro-DC bias

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Death Battle has a massive DC bias (so long as you aren't a Batman related character.)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They've been fair in their assessments

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Tifa losing to RWBY
            >Guts losing to that fire emblem moron
            They at least were right on Popeye beating OPM I guess

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Guts losing to that fire emblem moron
              Funny enough even Fire Emblem gays memed that shit up for very blatantly contradicting on screen events and story beats and for relying too heavily on moronic scaling and false equivelancy (HURR IF YOU BEAT A DRAGON YOU MUST BE CAPABLE OF ANYTHING THAT DRAGON DOES IT'S JUST BASIC LOGIC LMAO)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That had to be the single dumbest outcome since the original Cloud Link fight. Guts beat characters like Wyald, Mozgus and Ganishka that would absolutely mog Smash brothers emblem trash

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They had DIO beat Alucard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That proves that batman is underrated fan fights meanwhile logan beats superman and wonder woman in fan battles

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wolverine only has one Death Battle and he gets chopped into nugget sized chunks by an edgy cyborg twink.
        DB let Batman beat Captain America, at the very least.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wolverine wasn't a good match up for Raiden. But he did get a DBX where he fought like a hundred Barakas and won.

          >DB let Batman beat Captain America
          Not far fetched. Deathstroke is basically a bloodlusted Cap and Bats has beaten him before.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's beaten Deathstroke before, but Deathstroke still won more fights when all things were even, and even during circumstances where he was blindsided by Batman. Even if it's possible for Batman to win, it's more likely that Cap would win.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's close but Batman has also taken down Bane, Grundy, Croc and other heavy hitters on a fairly regular basis.
              Cap has a speed and strength advantage but I don't think it's potent enough to make a difference.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So has Cap, and he's done it with nothing but his shield.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That shield is a blunt force trauma weapon and could even slice various metals in half. Batman has beaten much stronger people than him in hand to hand alone.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I never understood why we need to have things like Batman beating up guys that are way out of his league so much. What was wrong with him sticking to Gotham and knocking over mafia families? That worked for almost 70 years. And now we NEED to have Batman beat up Kryptonians and Speedsters each week, while constantly reminding readers that he can beat up his closest friends in the JLA.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Batman suffers from being a character designed for street level stories in a universe that heavily focuses on fantastical planet destroying characters otherwise. Batman is the "most popular character" so they need to find excuses to include him in stories with the heavy hitters while keeping him important somehow.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Batman suffers from being a character designed for street level stories in a universe that heavily focuses on fantastical planet destroying characters otherwise. Batman is the "most popular character" so they need to find excuses to include him in stories with the heavy hitters while keeping him important somehow.

                You can introduce fantasy elements to regular settings, you just need to make the task at hand realistic.
                Batman fighting a Superman-tier villain is dumb, but he can square off against vampires like Val Helsing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Wolverine wasn't a good match up for Raiden.
            Yeah. Ironically while I do agree with the result (because Raiden is just that much stronger and faster than Logan), I don't think he'd be able to cut Adamantium. It's absurd to conclude that a high-frequency blade would replicate the properties of Antarctic Vibranium just because they both function based on """vibrations""". Antarctic Vibranium literally seems to melt and repel other metals, while we see high-frequency blades fail against things like Armstrong's nano machines. None of this matters though because Raiden in theory should be able to just tear Wolverine apart at the ligaments, which he should be strong enough to do. Worse case scenario I guess he could just drag Logan to the nearest body of water and drown him. He's strong and fast enough that that's not even unfeasible.

            >Not far fetched. Deathstroke is basically a bloodlusted Cap and Bats has beaten him before.
            I don't actually disagree, mostly on the basis that Batman is of similar physical condition while having a stealth advantage and far better gadgets as opposed to Cap's shield being really useful but ultimately just a single tool with limited functions.

            They've been fair in their assessments

            >Raven vs Phoenix
            lmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's close but Batman has also taken down Bane, Grundy, Croc and other heavy hitters on a fairly regular basis.
            Cap has a speed and strength advantage but I don't think it's potent enough to make a difference.

            It's a close fight but I think without prep time (lol) Cap takes it. He's fought against people of comparable martial arts to Bruce like Batroc, he doesn't exhaust as easily as Batman, and his costume is insulated and also dampens blows, which helps against a lot of Batman's utility belt gadgets.
            IIRC the Marvel DC crossover did have one of them admit that it was anyone's game between them, though, so it wouldn't be an easy win to either one

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Batman just has more tools at his disposal and their physicals aren't worlds apart. Batman is "peak human" but has leg pressed 2 tons so at some point he may as well be a super soldier like Cap.
              I think a lot of it boils down to how much equipment they're allowed to have. If it's a no-weapons fight, Cap would probably win, but that's the only way I see it happening.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Captain America doing a seventy mile per hour morning jog or ripping the doors off of holding cells shows that they're definitely not within the same band. Like you said, not worlds apart, but there is a discernible difference between them physically.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah and Bane is strong enough to rip limbs off people even without Venom. So strength alone won't be a decisive factor.
                Batman's arsenal is just too versatile here.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bane had to tire Batman out the first time they met to even reliably beat him. He's not that impressive without a significant Venom boost, which are the only times he can beat Batman in a straight fight, and also that wasn't supposed to be about Cap's strength, which also has him apparently strong enough to punch through a man's chest, but the overall superiority, toughness agility, speed, etc. on top of being one of Marvel's top fighters.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both are just better or more compelling than the average character and that's why they became popular.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe Wolverine but not Batman. The latter is carried by his setting while the former got popular without the need to hard carried by a gay in makeup.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Batman is compelling thanks to his setting and himself, they work in tandem.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not really, he’s actually really boring by himself.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The James Bond/Tony Stark appeal of the self-made man without superpowers who is really capable will never be boring. There's a reason why he's more popular than most DC characters.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Except he wasn’t always the most popular. You really think he could’ve made it without his rogue gallery?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A good rogues gallery can only aid the popularity. But yes, he was doing well before the more established villains came into play as well.
                Wolverine is aided by a decent rogues gallery too.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >good rogues gallery can only aid…
                No it can really make or break a characters popularity. Batman is the perfect example.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I disagree. You don't need the Joker to make a good Batman story. In fact, some people have Joker fatigue.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >In fact, some people have Joker fatigue.
                No they don’t…his movie made over a billion dollars without Batman.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No they don’t
                Yes they do. I've seen many people say other villains deserve a chance in the spotlight too. Joker is overused.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What people? Some complainers on forums? Lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've seen it often enough on various places including here. It's not exactly wrong either. How many Jokers do we need before Mad Hatter or anyone else gets a shot? Mr Freeze is more interesting than the Joker to me but he was never given much attention aside from being a gag either.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What various places?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Where this topic has been discussed. Youtube, forums, etc. Joker isn't even Batman's most compelling villain if you ask some people.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn’t matter what people online think, Joker is by far one of DC’s biggest assets. And his appeal is bigger than even Batman himself.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It doesn’t matter what people online think
                Of course it matters, audience comes first.
                >And his appeal is bigger than even Batman himself.
                Not really. The Joker movie was a success because it was well made. More so than a number of Batman movies. If you made a movie about Leto Joker it would fail.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Of course it matters, audience comes first.
                Not from a niche audience on the internet. They aren’t “casuals” nor do they truly represent the majority.
                >The Joker movie was a success because it was well made. More so than a number of Batman movies. If you made a movie about Leto Joker it would fail.
                Would the movie be a success if it wasn’t about the Joker? Just well made? If you say yes, then you’re lying. And the movie was rated R.
                >Leto Joker
                He’s actually part of the reason why the first SS made money along with the great marketing. Contrary to internet grief, casuals didn’t care that much about the changes. While the next one and Harley’s solo movie completely flopped despite the higher reviews.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not talking about a niche audience. You're underestimating the internet significantly.
                >Would the movie be a success if it wasn’t about the Joker?
                It's conceivable. Taxi Driver and the King of Comedy have been successful. The Joker brand name definitely helped, but no one denied it's a popular character.
                >He’s actually part of the reason why the first SS made money along with the great marketing.
                Yeah because people didn't know what to expect. And now he's widely considered to be the worst Joker.
                Heath Ledger was the one who elevated the Joker and boosted his popularity above all the rest.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re a lost cause and denying the sheer popularity of the Joker without Batman. All you do is sit on internet all day and think it’s reflective of the average person. Here’s your last (You).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's popular but not more so than Batman. That's just absurd. It's more of a Tom & Jerry situation at best. If you know one, you likely know the other.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol

                I a Batman fan and think the Joker is overrated. There's Joker clones that are superior. Joker is the one who couldn't hang on his own without having a good adversary, and the Joaquin Phoenix movie had to change the character a lot in order to make him appealing in a solo story.

                Joker being overrated isn’t going to change him being overly liked to an insane degree.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I a Batman fan and think the Joker is overrated. There's Joker clones that are superior. Joker is the one who couldn't hang on his own without having a good adversary, and the Joaquin Phoenix movie had to change the character a lot in order to make him appealing in a solo story.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the Joaquin Phoenix movie had to change the character a lot in order to make him appealing in a solo story.
                Joker doesn't have a specific characterization, that's part of the problem with him. He's become this vague notion that can be completely altered based on what the writer wants him to represent. The lack of consistency leaves him barely feeling like a real character, and two incarnations of the character even from the same period can feel like completely different characters.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much. There are times where I'm really over capeshit as a fad but I'll always chime in for a good Batman story.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          meant for

          Both are just better or more compelling than the average character and that's why they became popular.

          Although Wolverine is also decent, I'm just not a fan of team books as much.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Batman is barely capeshit. It's just a James Bondian type protagonist with a bunch of gadgets who relies on his natural abilities.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's the thing, Batman has the option to have a lot more diversity in his stories.

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love both but Wolverine has become more overrated these last few years. He started off as a Hulk villain of the week. And him becoming the central "X-Man" felt wrong too.

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Joker being overrated isn’t going to change him being overly liked to an insane degree.
    He is, just not as much as Batman. You could say he's the most popular villain of all, although I'm not sure even that's the case.
    He just lends himself to good performances in movies which has aided in his popularity. He's also a more fun character to play, most likely.
    Batman is more stoic and thus boring.

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think you're the most overrated of the two tbh.

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