Why animation fans are like this?

Why animation fans are like this?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >twitter thread
    Delete your post and then delete yourself

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fippy bippy

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because the corporate model of production has been outdated for half a century, but we're stuck with it until enough corpo homosexuals die or old age or go so bankrupt that they can't be in charge of anything to say otherwise.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like it's coming. I do think we'd see a lot of massive conglomerates downsize simply because it's unsustainable to be a monopoly and always has been.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it was working great right until they killed it. and that was WITH rampant embezzlement keeping the budgets razor-thin despite massive strides in making animation cheaper and faster.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They did it to themselves when they chased after new technology at the expense of advertisers, licensing fees, home theater releases and theatrical releases.

      Streaming cannot replace all of that at the same time. And they should have known that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Post Recession the guys in charge of most of these places were so humiliated (one may even say buck-broken) that they got in bed with the first bad idea their millennial children came up with. That made them all choose either streaming (Netflix is the new hip thing, I don't have to look into it because my nephew who's good with computers and has never worn a belt says it is) or massive mega-merger conglomerates (if we all swim together we can't possibly die) and both were completely unviable as models. The future is a long road of unwinding and building up infrastructure that never needed to be destroyed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The question is why it doesn't happen with anime, they are the same as always.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Japan kept the corporate culture alive alongside all the touchstones of it. Fax machines, secretaries, makework --- it's all still there because they haven't figured out how to stop living the 80s on repeat. We apply the 80s to everything until we die even as things keep moving, but they stay still in the 80s.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        At the tale end of the 2000s and the start of the 2010s the mech and toy market that served as the supporting structure for animation from the 80s onward "you make a show about about our toy and we will foot the bill" or "we have a show idea the kids will love it lets start looking for merch opportunities, the adds will support us in the meantime" started falling apart with the 08 crash as the big tipping point.Now kids don't buy toys anymore and only watch streamers and YouTube. Which is why TADC can make bank off their plushies and even a brand like SuperMarioLogan can have a proper mall store
        This part of the corperate industry never recovered, you can see the sinking ship Hasbro is for example.

        Meanwhile Japan has an incredibly robust and perfected (down to almost a science) content pipeline built upon the fact that the compactness of Japanese living makes reading a still viable market.
        First a written product comes out, either a light novel or a manga from one of their magazines, which if it gets popular is then overseen by a committee that begins production of various merch (keychains, figures, manga adaptation if its originally a light novel, and an anime series. Most Anime are actually just the forward face of a vast marketing machine which is why so many never finish their stories and others take years between seasons. The anime is meant to get you to buy the merch and read the source, nothing more and nothing less.

        the only exceptions is when a director at an anime studio gathers enough prestige so pus their own project forward by their sheer clout. Which if then gets popular is subject tot he same system of marketing in reverse, except that most anime originals only have 1 or two seasons of source material and so these marketing committees are short lived in comparison.

        Now the west only has "it will make people sub for a month to your streaming service" as potential financial gain.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Adding to this point, I think its important to notice a key detail of how the indie to anime pipeline functions: everything that gets made is something that fans want. The shows that that they make get made because enough people already proved they liked it. You start off as a light novel or a manga or some other source material competing with the 10,000 other new LNs or Manga in a massive battle royale and only the ones that build enough of a fanbase to endure and get noticed are the ones that larger companies and studios take notice of and give a shot at the big time. You have to EARN your place up the ladder with results.
          The producers don't have to like what your story is about. They don't have to 'get it', they just have to see "this things is pretty popular, lets build on that" and invest in something with potential. Not everything they invest in pans out, but enough things do to make the system overall profitable even if some shows fail. But the key focus here is still fundamentally seeing what fans already have shown they enjoy and giving then an adaptation of that which will bring in even more fans.

          This is diametrically opposed to the western studio top-down approach where a bunch of executives in a board room are going to focus group and pick apart any media they have a dollar invested at every step of production. No one is telling Oda that he is contractually obligated to add more positive gay representation to One Piece to get another season or they will replace him with a writer who will. Meanwhile, the Mandolarion had its story completely wrecked because baby yoda was supposed to leave the show and executives panicked at the thought of lost profits on baby yoda toys and forced the story to do a u-turn, turning season 3 into a pile of shit because nothing made sense anymore. Shit like that happens ALL THE TIME, because the insane corporate machine has total control over what gets made and meddles heavily to make things "better".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Because the corporate model of production has been outdated for half a century
      It could still work but only if the guy in charge actually gives a frick about the medium rather than money.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >look this 0.1% thing represents the future of animation
    Not to mention that mostly all of these "indie" animations are not actually indie.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stop trying to bring xitter shit here. Leave your comments on whatever tweet you’re soifacing at instead of pretending anyone here cares.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >views = quality
    Shouldnt you be watching the new cocomelon?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Meanwhile Long Gone Gulch, Monkey Wrench, Space King..

    Digital Circus is just designed to be crack for zoomers and below, like FNAF, it's got nothing to do with the fact it's indie

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They will probably get a decent plushie and cheap merch deal. turn into an animated series version of Poppy Playtime and just be that thing you see in every store.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FNAF's success, at least early on was far less intentional. But even by the second game I see your point

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >LGG
      What that meant to be full indie? I honestly thought it was a pilot meant for networks. Either way its sadly way to 2000s cartoon inspired for its own good.
      >MK
      Zerul is a good animator but he cannot tell a story for the life of him and so made a show that drags while he is to indignant to admit and fix any failings.
      >SK
      Its a 40k parody show with the serial numbers filed off which has only been out for two months and seems to be doing fine. Also Alfabusa and Ogre Poppenang did it cheaper and better.
      We also need to come to term with the fact that not every indie show is going to be Digital Circus levels of success. A lot are just going subsist on patreon money while doing their thing. Despite that every new show is another artist or group of artists that have dodged the industry.
      Now we just need one of the old guard to get acclimated to a indie production process and the movement will have all the momentum it needs.
      I personally hope its Maxwell Addams as he has the right ADHD brain to make something great with like two other guys helping him out.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ESL

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're childish and impulsive, and they're audience of literal children is even more so.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they're
      How the FRICK did I make this mistake

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What kind of horrors will we see when big established animation studios try to ape the success of TADC?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More clussy. But also they won't go for it in the same way nobody ever went for the more whimsical elements of The Simpsons or Family Guy. The most you'll get is the patina of the deconstruction, and probably not even that because the writers in animation studios are incompetent lazy israelites who don't play video games instead of creepy trannies who do.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just poorly put together CGI shows again like it's 2006.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Disney is making a cartoon by a Hilda/Wander alumni about a french family moving to America with their circus, basically The Greatest Showman X Encanto

      >
      Chosen and her french multi-generational family traveling circus is struggling due to less people going to see the shows they have already seen so they move to America since they have yet to travel there. The circus is also dwindling as much of her family is starting to leave with hopes of finding better jobs from all the connections they made.

      >CHOSEN - 9 YEARS OLD

      >Chosen will try to get more people in the circus by trying new things which include new performances. Visually the circus is supposed to emulate old French circus. Pretty much its a "try new things it might be better" series

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds amazing as a premise. I bet all the characters will look like boring Bratz dolls, it will have one half decent song (but it will not the one they will expect it to be and based the entire movie around) and that Aquafina will be the worst part of it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >top review on Rotten Tomatoes: Disney reaches a new low as the studio tries romantizing the stolen plot of Madagascar 3

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i'm out of the loop completely.

    what's the amazing digital circus? what's the premise? I know I could just watch it but I hate watching shit I have no base interest in so help me out Cinemaphilemrades

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I hate watching shit
      Get the frick out of this thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what's the premise?
      some guy is accidentally stuck in a children's cartoon VR experience and I guess you're supposed to feel existential dread for 22 minutes

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        oh, thanks
        doesn't really sound like my thing. is it adult humour or animated for kids?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i watched some of the first episode its just a childrens show? dont give a frick about it and its weird you do

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Group of creators with full creative control get most of the revenue and retain the rights of the IP
    The... Horror?

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Due to how fricking lazing this post is, I'm just gonna post a screen shot of my reply to this post because I don't respect OP at all and think he should feel bad.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TADC isn't indie, it was funded by the australian government.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    CN is still a thing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah but all they have is teen titans go reruns.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone knows that, I quit watching TV a decade ago because everything sucked.
    The problem is that "indie animation" is an extremely vague label. What most people are calling "indie" is funded by government tax dollars or a large corporation like Amazon. Indie animation is every animation that is uploaded to the internet, storytime animations are indie animations, newgrounds animations are indie animations, porn is indie animation, I think you get my point.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen alpha is still watching CN? i was sure they were dying off after drinking 5 primes a day.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are they?

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