Why are people running cartoon studios like this?
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Studio isn't trying to sell their product to the people making the cartoons, they are trying to sell it to the people watching their channels.
So even if there are a lot of women in animation, they only represent a small percentage of all women, and all women in their audience. Sorry animation girls! You aren't actually the majority. Nor do you have a lot of money to spend on the studio's products, because you are in animation.
No one who watches CN wants shitcom garbage, have a nice day CN apologist
I wasn't agreeing that they should switch to sitcom shit, I hate that as well. But I was explaining their reasoning for doing it and why the OP comic is a flawed argument that's gonna fall on death ears.
You're really moronic.
How are they wrong
They’re wrong because they are misinterpreting the point the comic is trying to make. There is a sizable demographic of women in animation, women who were once little girls who grew up watching cartoons. The comic wasn’t about them as adults trying to be appealed to, it’s the younger generation of girls.
They weren’t your average girls
This isn't a good arguement. What if the girls in animation are weirdos? You can't sell to a market that small. It's not addressing the issue "cartoon studio" has raised.
Anon anyone who draws fricking cartoons for a living is a freak show. Me I'm cool I just consume.
>You can't sell to a market that small
90% of gambling profit comes from 10% of the customers. If you develop shows with strong fandoms you can rob them blind and it'll more than make up for not having that big an audience
For that you'd have to go for the gacha model of having attractive characters that people would actually want to buy merch of, and western cartoons can't have that.
I think what you're saying is true in some cases. But for TV, the advertisers will not be happy if the weirdos are tuning in and not the key demo they're trying to appeal. I think "weirdos" or passionate fans do not always translate into sales so execs aren't going to bank on that.
Passionate fans ALWAYS translate into sales, the thing is the shows have to be on streaming and have merch, both of which are like kryptonite to execs
Why wouldn't studio exec's want merch of their own show or have it in streaming?
Merch isn't pure profit and they have to share it. If the fanbase isn't big enough the higher ups don't see a value in giving things to a small fanbase.
Because they're boomer business men who don't actually know anything about fandoms or animation. I assume they know how to run a company in theory at least. So if merch is expensive to make like
said, then they probably wont put any resources into it. I'd assume it's because makers of custom merch take a big cut.
Yep closest you'll get is Etsy merch
It is actually an interesting question. Most merch for really popular shows is licensed stuff done by corps dedicated to actually doing licensed merch stuff. That means that execs would rather wait for an IP to be well enough known that the makers will pay the IP holders to use it. Between the license cost, making, distributing and other things it's not really a wonder only stuff like harry potter gets picked up like this.
Wonder if anyone has ever tried spinning merch off as brand growth and marketing instead of as merch itself. There are small companies in germany dedicated to just making stuffed dolls of corporate mascots, because a shipping or a steel mill company PR people think that works as a marketing gimmick. Probably wouldn't work at a place like Netflix though, I don't know how they handle original show IPs or even creator owned IP stuff.
Yep that was a keystone to 80s and early 90s cartoons. Synergy with a Toyline released at the same time. Its why they get tagged as "Toy Commercials"
Yup, but I think even that is a bit different because from what I understand Mattel and Hasbro came up with the characters and produced the toys in-house, and then outsourced the cartoon. How would the reverse work if you're not dealing with a well known cartoon IP.
That's why they are going for live action. Look at the money k-pop makes
It's funny seeing Korean media gain so much popularity in America.
I'm even seeing random k-dramas advertised on fricking pluto tv.
I will say this, Koreans make some pretty damn good zombie media.
To be Korean is to suffer. Thus it makes sense that they produce the most soothing balms.
> appeals to normalgays with kpop and good drama
> appeals to critics with kino like oldboy
> gachagays and whales are happy with their p2w trash
> at the same time Project Moon putting their all into making a unique world with different interesting stories
Koreans bell curve is weighted towards the absolute worst and best media and entertainment with no in between and it makes me interested in what sort of culture creates such a fricking spread.
Korea finally branching away from MMOs and mobileshit is a blessing honestly.
It's nice to see them getting ready to put out some actual games for once.
Do they let you go fast in that game or is it supposed to be slower than Eurotruck Simulator?
Sorry m8, you're limited to however fast a kid could move on a skateboard or a bike or rollerblades.
Unless you're teleporting I guess.
Tell me its name, and tell me it's not gonna be an Epic exclusive.
Has a single Asian dev besides Squeenix released any Epic Exclusives?
Go away Tim and stay in your Cinemaphile cuck threads.
This looks pretty. What is it?
DokeV
Action game made by the same devs that made Black Desert Online.
DokeV. A game that will get you banned in Cinemaphile because its stepping in Pokemon/Nintendo game space.
Cope
What even is the message here?
>Because f*males “graduate from animation”, the animation studios have to make their cartoons for the people that draw them
I really hope that isn’t the message, because it’s fricking moronic; studios don’t make content for the people creating it, they’re made for everyone else to watch. It’s how businesses work. Really doubt the people making video games actually play them.
>don’t make content for the people creating it
>what is Turning Red
Studios aren't bots. They are composed of people, people with their own biases.
they are most certainly bots. sure, maybe they’ll be able to sneak in shit, but ultimately the big wig studio itself decides the end product.
This is cosmopolitan infighting. I don't give a shit about these degenerates tearing each other apart as long as someone is making the picture shows.
These aren't girls, these are women. There was an entire feminist movement in the 70's about not calling women "girls". Studios mean literally 12-year old girls.
What the hell is this trying to say it's point? Are they trying to say that they're supposed to pander to 30-something woman manchildren who obsess over shipping?
Do they forget that cartoons are quite literally made for kids for cable providers to make money off?
The point is that cartoon network is going to be revamping live action shows because they feel that girls prefer them over cartoons. The comic is trying to imply that a large amount of women are at least interested in and were presumably influenced by cartoons they enjoyed, and I assume they don't want live action shows to replace cartoons.
The problem is people keep saying girls when referring to grown women. CN is talking about 10 to 13-year-old girls. As dropping off animation faster than their male counterparts.
>Are they trying to say that they're supposed to pander to 30-something woman manchildren
I mean, they already pander to 30-something men manchildren anyway.
>cartoons are quite literally made for kids
Not necessarily. Tell me who the target audience for Tartakovsky's Primal is and then tell me why I, a 30 year old overweight manchild, can get great and bloody action cartoons but a 30 year old overweight womanchild can't get her gay shipping cartoons.
Also to add to this they already make cartoons for 30 year old overweight womanchildren, it's called Centaurworld, so this entire discussion is moot.
The discussion is about how out of touch some execs are and what they say because of that.
Cartoon execs being out of touch and ignorant is not a discussion, it's an unshakable fact. It's a miracle anything good ever even gets produced in the first place. So what is this thread really about?
>but a 30 year old overweight womanchild can't get her gay shipping cartoons.
>but [they're] platonic
Are you saying they got into cartoons when they were 30? Lots of girls don’t stop liking them is the point.
I mean shes not wrong
No wonder cartoons are so fricking gay and moronic now.
>t. another STEM brick in the wall
Ok, enjoy your gay cartoon industry that doesn't even want to make cartoons anymore
Put up or shut up. Don't like where cartoons are going? Make your own. Say whatever you want about how crap the stuff these girls do, because most of it really is gay garbage, but at least they're making cartoons instead of taking the safe route.
>Just make your own club
>Immediately gets taken over when it's successful
I agree that more people should just shut up and make their vision reality. Especially all these people hoping to cling to an industry that abuses creatives and hates them for the safety of a career that's always been shaky. But hey at least they're making cartoons they want to be making right?
>Don't like where cartoons are going? Make your own.
implying you need to be a chef to know that food is bad
>Guys immediately go and does his own cartoons
>Girls: why there isn't any for us!????!!!!
And the circle repeats
>Don't like where cartoons are going? Make your own.
That's what everyone is doing but it takes a long fricking time to get it off the ground as an individual or a small team. Especially because the most productive artists spend the least amount of time on social media so their visibility is terrible.
Can anyone name a cartoon, made by a woman, that's actually good?
Aside from horseshow I can't think of one. And I think that's just because Lauren Faust was essentially groomed by Craig McKraken
Shrek was co-directed by a woman
Pepper Ann
Steven Universe
Total Drama's first few seasons were pretty decent, though if I recall that was co opted with her husbands at the time I think.
>Steven Universe
>good
It is.
It is not samegay.
You should have realized this by the Cluster's resolution if not prior.
Just because multiple people disagree with you doesn't mean they're all the same person, schizo.
It is
Season 1 of Steven Universe is, objectively, good and I think very few people on Cinemaphile would argue otherwise except solely for the sake of contrarianism.
S2 on... then it becomes a little more gray.
animation should be banned
I hate women so much it's not even funny.
And thats pathetic.
Speak when spoken to, roastie.
Your boobs don't exceed 24B , shut up, you're barely even a woman, you virgin.
like your any different, woman
You are a true and honest person.
t. will kill his own mother for an ounce of pussy
Those suits were 100% right about that. Chicks in the industry aren't known for their skill to animate or innovate the craft. But dudes will make groundbreaking shit in their spare time and sausagefest production crews make the best shit in the genre.
You're more likely to find good animation from some random guy on twitter than out of a CN studio filled with women.
That doesn’t mean girls just stop wanting to work on animation or stop watching animation
Not everyone is gonna be breaking ground when it as already been broken
I don't get it? Are they saying studios don't make cartoons for girls? What does this have to do with girls being IN the animation industry?
One of the things that really aggravates me about this is that we see so many campaigns for getting women into animation, in the arts, etc etc.
I believe women are the majority of graduates and hired employees for these industries now? Why do we need to inspire women to get into these careers still?
Also, with this being the case, how can they still complain about representation or shows not being geared towards them? Ladies, you're making the bloody things!
> Ladies, you're making the bloody things!
Oh Anon, who do you think they have to answer to in order to get these shows made?
Most campaigns to have more women in X are usually a corporate plot to lower wages by increasing the size of the workforce and hiring groups of people who are bad at negotiating higher wages or will write it off as the Man fricking them over.
back when it was all punch cards and magnetic tapes, programming was a female field and it didn't pay shit, but wages tripled in a decade once men started doing it and wouldn't stand for the girly wages.
Now, it's good for women to be able to work where they want but it's still a fricking plot, if you ever see your daughter applying remind her to ask for 20% more than whatever she's offered when she gets out.
Plus in this case you'll notice it's never "women in management", "women in marketing", "women in accounting", or whoever else actually says what gets made, you can be the bestest most femalest animator ever and still get stuck drawing He-Man if that's what your male boss and the male banker in charge of your student loan tell you to do.
>Plus in this case you'll notice it's never "women in management", "women in marketing", "women in accounting"
The frick are you talking about? Corpos push those kinds of movements all the time.
They push it but no action is actually taken for it to come to fruition which is why the same social movements from some 50 odd years are still point of contention because these companies put on the visage of progression and change without actually doing it or just barely meeting the minimum affirmative action requirement and calling it a day! This isn’t a woman’s fault.
>literally so many girls in animation
Is this why animation is so shit, bros?
If there are so many girls in animation studios why don't they just leave and form their own girl only animation studi-oh wait that would require effort.
And also need to be good at running a business
>their own girl only animation
What universe do they live in, almost all new animation is geared towards girls these days.
The Irony is that they don't watch it.
They do.
Huge popularity of Owl House and Amphibia among teenager girls. and before that Steven Universe.
And also Barney.
>teenager girls
but all those shows are for children, mainly
why can't cartoons specifically made for teenagers exist?
That what "adult" cartoons are for.
how many of them are for teenagers about teenagers? Even R&M turned into a family sitcom
I think the point is "girls" in this context means ages 20 and up
Not much better but I think I get it
If the is so many women in western animation then why is there no animation studio created by women to make animated content directed towards women?
Women are actually terrible customers in some industries. Sure they're used and conditioned to spend absurd amounts of money and are actually the biggest whales out there like any male Vtuber will tell you, but ironically this means that when you try to sell the average one something she's just as likely to already be broke from buying something else last week.
As the west doesn't rely on overpriced DVD box sets or 600$ vinyl figurines to break even it's better off targeting men, who have less interesting spending habits but are guaranteed to almost always have 30$ just lying around they don't know what to do with.
>If the is so many women in western animation then why is there no animation studio created by women to make animated content directed towards women?
Not enough money and support from investors
See, the joke here is that the college graduate questions the intelligence of a business executive based on how she perceives their business decisions, it's funny due to the absurdity of the situation since nobody in real life is clueless enough to really think this
Animatoon enployees are not consumers, moron.
why does your cartoon art hoe think they are your average girl?
yeah there's outliers of girls who stick with being fans of animation and aren't even disney girls!
but the vast majority of girls don't watch animated projects and doesn't matter how many projects helmed with xe/xers you make, your average teenage girl isn't interested
Men have a higher likely hood to get into the animation industry compared to women
>Men have a higher likely hood to get into the animation industry compared to women
Men have a higher likely hood of being animators in general. Just look at web animation. It's dominated by men and there's nothing keeping women out of it. Blender, Source film maker, MMD, opentoonz all of these are open but mostly men take advantage of them.
I remember hearing cartoon network champion itself with woman in animantion namely on Rebecca sugar around 6 or 5 years ago but now they say girls grew out of animantion? What the frick happened
They looked at data from test audiences and came to conclusions about them, namely that the new female focus (remember they ditched boys before that) wasn't working because everybody's going to youtube and tiktok.
I say this as someone who works with kids: both male and female children in elementary feel a certain level of resentment towards animation, believing it to not be 'cool' or 'hip' enough. It isn't that girls grew out of animation, and more that thanks to overexposure to the internet at a young age, children are becoming jaded about animation and its supposed indication of their lacking maturity far earlier than they used to.
Basically, the I'M AN ADDDUUUULT shit is setting in earlier than it used to for the current generation and they see live action as more 'mature' and 'adult' while seeing animation as more 'immature' and 'for babies'.
correct answer.
>I say this as someone who works with kids
pedo
Way to tell on yourself, pederast. Next time don't project so hard.
This is the truth. Weirdly enough, I think if there were more serious ‘mature’ American cartoons, it may be more likely to capture the attention of teenagers. You’d have more luck getting the attention of teens by making an animated version of Euphoria than by making a whatever magical-girl-inspired show created and made for 2013 Tumblr.
Girl's shows were in vogue because stuff like banned show were making bank and it was politically convenient to hire women if your executives are feminists.
I thought those male shippers were outnumbered by waifugays that hate their getting "cucked" when their "pure" girl gets a relationship who in turn were outnumbered by prepubescent and hormonal boys who see sex objects and want to frick/jerk off to them.
The message is "If I misinterpret a tweet as sexist then my fans will say I'm right".
>I thought those male shippers were outnumbered by waifugays that hate their getting "cucked" when their "pure" girl gets a relationship
Maybe if it was still 2007 and the most common genre was still battle harems, but nowadays there are actually a decent amount of romance anime aimed at and enjoyed by men that are just about the relationship between a single man and a single woman.
That said, men don't really engage in shipping the way women do nowadays, that form of male shipper kind of died out when Naruto ended.
>Maybe if it was still 2007 and the most common genre was still battle harems
I thought harems were always in fashion? Isekais being one of the last major genres showing what's old is new again.
>romance anime aimed at and enjoyed by men
Haven't heard of them. I did see that one bubble feature length or something was getting a western release but it looked made for women, especially visually, it even looked straight out of 2007.
>Haven't heard of them.
You haven't heard of Nagatoro?
Or Uzaki-chan?
Or Sono Biqsue Doll?
Or Komi Can't Communicate?
Or the trash that is Rent-A-Girlfriend?
There's a FotM romance anime for dudes like every season nowadays, they often get slammed for a few months while they're airing and while white people on Twitter whine about them.
>Or the trash that is Rent-A-Girlfriend?
ohhhhhhhhhh yeah.
I guess my mind is shielding me from the bad memories.
>I thought harems were always in fashion?
They are.
>Haven't heard of them.
You realize harem is a subgenre of romance, right?
He might be thinking of battle harems as a genre in specific, which were very popular for a bit then then have all but died out since. The kind where you have a MC and like 30 different girls in the 'harem', none of which are actually romantic prospects but they all get lumped together and also there is an excuse for cool magic fights or whatever.
OP is literally a strawman that does not exist and never has.
Wrong, that's not what a strawman is.
What? CN is literally making that argument
turns out girls don't watch cartoons, whats so hard to understand
Isn’t this kind of sexist in a way to assume girls don’t like animation
By definition.
It's also an absolutely weird ass statement for a network, based around cartoons, a Cartoon Network if you will; to be making.
Looks like there are differences between men and women and your ideology is wrong.
My problem isn't cartoon network's statement in of itself, because it could be true for all I know. The problem is that they are using this as a justification to repeat the exact same mistake as CN real.
Is that Dan "Hold her down she's a fighter" Schneider awkward sitcom money that lucrative that you would risk perpetuating a mistake that almost killed the CARTOON network?
Thats the goal though anon. They actually WANT to kill cartoon network.
I hate to break it to you, but Cartoon Network is dead. Teen Titans Go pulled in <100k for a premiere a few days ago. They haven't had a single show routinely do >500k in viewership in years. They're primarily a production house for HBO Max content now. From that aspect, it makes no sense to not make live-action kids shows.
Maybe whoever said it meant "girls graduate from animation schools, look how many there are"
I'm my experience most people graduated from animation but girls just usually did it earlier.
This makes it sound like animation is for boys then but they won't make any cartoons marketed towards boys
Remember that this is the same network that cancelled shows because toys were being bought... by the wrong gender.
Which show
literally every action show that got put in the graveyard slots/ unceremoniously cancelled was because of "toy sales".
These exec still think its the 80s and 90s and a toyline is gonna be the breadwinner.
Yeah people forget how insanely out of touch the executives are. Maybe we should send them a written letter or something.
They could start by making good toys, we need someone to bring back toybiz and Kenner back from the death to get actual good toys again
tbf doesn't a large amount of anime make their profit from merchandise sales, i.e. figures/clothing/blu-rays
>inb4 east vs. west
Compare a 20 dollar marvel legend to a $20 anime figure, the difference in quality is night and day.
There are two factors to consider here:
1: Anime is much cheaper to produce than western animation is, because western animation just splurges money on celebrity guest VAs who have 2 lines and animating EVERYTHING at 240 frames per second, even when there is nothing happening. Its a financial sinkhole compared to the extreme cost-cutting measures that inform anime style and production, and as a result an anime needs far less money to make in merch to make a profit. A dedicated fanbase of just 10-20k people can make a season of an anime profitable, whereas american networks will cancel shows for its viewership not being enough millions.
2: The focus and quality of merch is totally different. Anime merch is either very cheap little gacha boxes you buy for 2 bucks at the checkout line, or $300 ultra-detailed diorama figures or metal-framed transforming mechs. So you have cheap impulse buy stuff for kids, but also expensive high quality stuff unambiguously aimed at an adult audience. To say nothing of the other merchandise unambiguously aimed at an adult audience.
Meanwhile, for all of the popularity of the show, what the hell was the Steven Universe merch? Basically just lego-minifig tier 'toys' and some little doodads, maybe a backpack? It was all walmart toy aisle stuff, and walmart toy aisle quality. Something to get little Timmy for his birthday when he's 8, and thats about it. Certainly nothing you would call a display piece like what Japan does for even its less popular shows.
They have this logic, but then they simultaneously don't actually make any decent merch for shows.
Look at Symbionic Titan - it's literally a western kaiju anime with giant robots and giant monsters and the morons running the studio decided it 'didn't have any merchandising potential' and axed it
Because women are designed to be slaves generating cartoons for the ubermensch. Sad we elevated them to writing shows and making characters designs, they need to be put back in their place.
Any woman who still likes cartoons past 12 is a womanchild with mental problems and is too small to provide profit. Cry about it.
Despite my hatred for fujo and the constant need for shipping being the main focus of every show.
they buy a lot of fricking merch.
It is true though. Animation for boys is better and girls who would watch cartoons at all watch that anyway.
Animation specifically for girls is what? I cannot even think of one. The Tangled cartoon? Girls will watch live action Nickelodeon and Disney Channel sitcoms at 5 rather than Amphibia. And by 12 they're doing only fans unless the next Twilight series comes along and makes reading "cool" again.
again through in some shipping bait in any cartoon and girls will watch it.
Then how come anime has lots of male shippers? Something doesn't add up.
Men like shipping as long as it isn't too sappy or melodramatic. There's nothing men loathe more than forced reltationship drama
>as long as it isn't too sappy or melodramatic
Bull fricking shit. BBrae existing is proof of that and frankly they are terrible for each other.
Just make the girls superhot and then you have a go.
Because anime has cute girls, and guys like cute girls.
Anime also isn't afraid to show those cute girls in revealing situations, which is also something that guys enjoy.
These are probably 12 and under
Yes, but the problem with cartoons aimed for girls with female protagonists is that the shipping is gay.
Males into anime are effeminate. And maybe females into animation are more masculine, which might explain why recent female showrunners made dykebait shows.
where can I read this full comic?
https://giancarlovolpe.tumblr.com/post/82641459722/a-little-behind-the-scenes-look-of-the-early
eh, thanks for the link, interesting read, sucks how terrible the focus testers are at their job. Wish we got more green lantern seasons
when am I going to get my shoen-like adventure series with cool protags,villains and some abs and tiddy eye candy? When are these women in animation going to cater to my tastes in animation that so happen to hold the same extra chromozones these morons have.
I'll do it for you, anon. Screencap this post and keep an eye out on networks/streaming services for the next 5-7 years. Possibly more depending on how long it takes me to get the clout.
The last wave of animated shows seem to be made from/for girls and women.
it's made by millenials/zoomers for themselves. the key demo is not interested in this shit.
>see a pattern?
>well, how about these exceptions?
>bet you feel stupid now, huh?
The comic doesn't even present exceptions, the artist just drew a crowd around themselves and called themselves the majority
They don't make good cartoons for girls just as they don't make good cartoons for people of minorities. israelites won't allow them to have good role models. Bill Cosby was set up, after all.
little girls might not be interested in what these grown women working in the industry are making. my little neice gives no shits about Steven Univere, Amphibia. she just watch other crap. this is a non-argument.
This whole discussion is like that one time a feminist misquoted some nipnong from Nintendo that said video games are a medium for boys when just a comma later he says girls are getting into it or something like that.
It's just confused suits coping with the death of cable, nothing new
cartoon network puzzles me because kids obviously like anime. but they don't make deals for simuldub of the biggest animes to air right after school. surely it is cheaper to make some deal with Funimation or whoever the frick to air these series shortly after Japanese release than making a whole original series
The don't want to deal with angry soccer mom lawsuits because the chinese cartoons are too violent or sexy. Besides, having no original content is a terrible model for them in the long run
flawed logic- women are prominently featured in pornography but the userbase is still predominantly male.
You cannot convince me this is true. Women and men watch porn around the same amount, it's just a very human thing to like
She has a point but she's presenting it horribly by assuming the tastes of women in animation alllign with the tastes of the average woman or little girl.
You nailed it perfectly right there. It’s why I laugh when people shit talk Teen titans go. Get as mad as you can but it’s targeted to kids and kids love it. A lot of modern animators don’t realize when they get into cartoons who there target audience is.
In reality CN just want to make cheap content and hope they can attract the Nick girls that like drama and ships, but it seems even Nick and Can are failing to replicate the Icarly and Victorious era
CN wanted to do cheap live action stuff and decided to scapegoat girls. Or present themselves as offering content for girls... that don't like animation.
Either way it was CN wanting to be cheap frickers and just looking for an excuse.
They did this exact thing 10 years ago with the genders swapped around
>no cartoons for girls
Which cartoons are made for boys these days, it all looks gender neutral or leaning towards girls.
Shows like Ben 10, Gumball and TTG definitely cater more toward boys, the last big era of CN before the current one was also made almost exclusively of "boy" shows with one or two exceptions.
>That said, men don't really engage in shipping the way women do nowadays, that form of male shipper kind of died out when Naruto ended.
I wanted to argue with this but I think you're right, these days, the guy who ships a character with another character is extremely rare, nowadays it's 'self insert fantasy' or nothing, look at how aggressive Finn x PB shippers are, when you understand a lot of dudes self inserted as Finn, the anger makes a lot more sense.
Meanwhile, fujos will literally carry a franchise's profits and do so for ages upon ages even after whatever they're into becomes irrelevant in pop culture. I know girls who are still making stuff for a single MxM ship from a game that dropped 10 years ago.
Execs are missing out on oodles, I'm talkin' BIG BUCKS worth of cash forsaking the American fujo market.
Lots of guys shipped PB and Marceline...
>Gumball
Ah yes, a show that ended THREE FRICKING YEARS AGO
Anon...
>start unionising
>voice actors demanding live action rates
>studio tuens to live action
Ahhaha get fricked tankies.
This is probably the real reason why CN is gearing so hard towards live action, because of the union movement going on. It’s Disney would rather overwork hundreds of VFX studios on a She-Hulk rather than hiring a unionized professional makeup studio
>How do you know we don't make them, if you don't watch them ?
>the nose is a flat triangle sitting on the middle of the face
This "style" needs to end.
This is muppet erasure and I won't stand for it.
What would be a cartoon for girls above "certain age"?
Isn't all animated media above certain age covered by anime already?
> make cartoon for girls
> wtf why is this filled with such anti-feminist shit? we told you to make something for girls
> we did exactly what you said
> its full of stereotypes of things girls 'think' they want
> what do you think we do for marvel films?
they keep forgetting what happens when corporate homosexuals feel the need to make something *for girls only*. Often enough the shit that does end up being good AND for girls ends up causing shit like brony culture so its not even like this shit doesnt happen.
Is this talking "past a certain age" meaning adult? Do you mean you want more romance? I thought the entire reason there was a push for female superheroes to hit the spotlight was to break the "for girls" shit.
Maybe if you were more specific with what you wanted then shit would actually get done, but you have to get passive aggressive with what you mean because in your retarted mind this should be obvious when in reality youre just going to get "twilight the animated series". Maybe that is what you want, but nobody fricking knows, because you wont fricking say.
>girl
if she's 18+ she's an adult, next
>Exception proves the rule
Oh wow, thanks for the insight you disgusting hambeasts.
I don’t care about that topic but what do you call that type of character design? Reminds me of this:
Are you people FRICKING KIDDING ME
SHOW ME ONE, SHOW ME A SINGLE MOTHERFRICKING CARTOON FOR *MEN*. NOT MAKING FOR WOMEN? THEY LITERALLY ONLY MAKE CARTOONS FOR WOMEN! FRICKING HELL, THESE PEOPLE ARE NEVER, NEVER, NEVER FRICKING SATISFIED
Primal, Venture Brothers, Castlevania, Invincible, etc. If you think those shows are not aimed at, and marketed to, men as their primary audience I don't know what to tell you.
And they're still in the fricking minority.
Setting aside the very obvious goalpost moving that just happened there, of course shows aimed at men are going to be in the minority. Animation in the west is primarily a childrens medium. The majority of cartoons are going to be aimed at kids, both young boys and young girls, as opposed to either adult men or adult women. It astounds me that you would ever think otherwise.
Demanding that not just some shows, but the MAJORITY of shows, need to be made and targeted to adult men as their primary audience? Thats insanity. Its never going to happen. Not even anime does that.
This. The only thing any reasonable person should be asking is for a balance catering to everyone, a lot like how nips have their own shonen, shoujo, seinen, josei and toddler genres. To be fair the current overcorrection we're seeing with a lot of shows does annoy me a bit, but it'll pass as people get tired of quirky poc queer girl main characters.
How would a cartoon like those aimed at women be like?
Personally I think Centaurworld is to estrogen as Primal is to testosterone. It is so annoyingly "female" in every single aspect that I had a hard time sitting through it. Still a good show, just not for me. Meanwhile Primal is just pure balm for the soul.
How both shows fared regarding views it's an statistic that should be compared
well, one was on cable being watched by no one because only boomers still have cable, and one was on netflix and enjoyed by millions
Castlevania is absolutely marketed to women. Its literally "thirstposting" the cartoon. And if you're not looking at the beautiful, effeminate boys, you're looking at strong independent sexy women.
Invincible is more unisex but its still trying, its why they made the character of amber a social activist, because they want the women to grab on to a strong independent woman who shows Mark his place. Its why they also expanded the role of Mark's mom.
>Its why they also expanded the role of Mark's mom.
I think this is actually a benefit for the story overall, because Mark's mom has an extremely important place in the story. She is, ultimately, responsible for Omniman's crises of faith that drives much of the rest of the plot. If Nolan didn't love her, and the lessons she imparted to him about life on Earth didn't touch a nerve with him, events would have played out very differently.
I think the focus the show gives her is perfectly reasonable as a result. Brushing her under the rug robs that story arc of much of its weight, because we are leaving out a character who should be central to it.
Girls belong in the home, not in animation
Why is the female species like this?
>the comics and cartoons board will side with big corporations and their idea of phasing cartoons just to own women
>Accepting what is real is siding with the corporations
Women moment, gentleman
>Accepting what is real is siding with the corporations
So is accepting white people are no longer the target demographic
Because that's the reason why Casagrandes has been renewed while Loud house cancele-OH WAIT that didn't happened!
Loud House fanbase is mostly hispanics and pajeets, so your epic gotcha moment failed, sorry not sorry
exact same reasoning as
Personally for me the cartoon industry has been dead since 2008 and I would have preferred nothing but Hannah Montana so at least mental morons who watch Adventure Time and call it the next coming of Christ don't spit even more in the face of animation.
I'd rather watch video games than animation at this point.
CN and Disney was full of trash and Nick had next to 0 new cartoons.
Netflix ended up producing better looking and better written shows than CN and Netflix's shows are mediocre trash that the 2000s walks circles around.
Animation died when video games started booming in 2008 and when Newgrounds & Youtube became more popular to watch than trash animation.
This provided a sinkhole for these few mental morons to abuse their positions and shove lesbian trash and beanmouth style down our throats instead of knowing their place and staying the frick away from animation.
Has anyone considered that girls mature earlier than boys and therefore they demand more "mature" things rather than cartoons?
>and therefore they demand more "mature" things rather than cartoons?
but they often transition to anime or webcomics which are pretty much the same
From the whole girl population that watched cartoons, how many of them go to webcomics( what is this, the 2000's?) or anime?
I dunno man, even shounen anime is far more mature than your typical cartoon.
Something like Demon Slayer or Fire Force has blood and gore, people getting limbs blown off, suicide, child murder, rape, and all sorts of other "mature" themes that you would never see in the equivalent cartoons aimed at similar age ranges.
Not just that, but characters in shonen anime are more likely to have characters arcs. They might be very simple character arcs, but they are undeniably character arcs with actual change and growth and shit. This is fairly rare in western cartoons, in large part due to the fact that until recently they treated continuity like poison because serialization was king.
>even shounen anime is far more mature than your typical cartoon.
>blood and gore
>maiming
>suicide
>child murder
>rape
>mature
On the one hand, yes that's a teenager thing to be "interested" in all the "adult" stuff.
On the other... adult sitcoms have fart jokes.
Oh and the more blood you include the less mature your cartoon's demographic is. Arguably it starts to appeal to those with stunted development since red water fountains are stupid.
>"Ehhhh uhhh, ackchyually, all these things inappropriate for children AREN'T mature"
Yeah, thanks for the input, frick face
You’re missing the big thing that American and Japanese censorship is very different
What you can and can’t do is different for each country and is sometimes weird when even done in country
Doesn't matter because mentally women never age past 13
>Doesn't matter because mentally women never age past 13
And a visit to Cinemaphile proves guys don't either
Why are you going to Cinemaphile to see if men are immature when you're posting in THIS board
That just means you write cartoons that fit your audience.
You're not too old for cartoons, cartoons are not written for you.
I ask you: Is anyone too old to watch prime Simpsons?
Is anyone too much an adult to enjoy Way of the Househusband?
Do people grow out of finding Ghost in the Shell or The Lion King amazing pieces of animation?
You just gotta put out what people care about.
Like, who do you think buys China's gay twink period pieces?
While it is true that there are clearly external factors that have for a long time kept young women out of cartoons in terms of social pressures, where growing up rather naturally meant to move away from animated media, this is not a natural function of growing into adulthood.
It is rather more an outcome of a very long dearth of animated media catering in any way to younger women in the West.
This of course settles stereotypes and young women being subject to massive social pressures to conform to societal expectations are strongly discouraged to consider it.
So you see a steep decline in interest there. It is quite telling that we see a lot of young women step very quickly into anime and manga instead. It's just not the medium, man.
Oh, absolutely. Good advice is like medicine. The more bitter it is, the more potent.
And American media companies are in need of some very bitter potions.
Lion king is Hamlet for kids...
They don't mature earlier socially, they are pushed into social roles earlier because there's demand for women, boys are left to figure shit out for themselves which causes manchildren well into their 30s and 40s.
Women DO go for web comics over trash American cartoons.
The industry only wants cal arts trash.
Why does this webcomic not have its own show yet?
A few things you people need to understand:
1 - advertising can no longer sustain the budget of an animation. The network TV model is dead. If the show isn't selling merchandise or tickets to events it's losing money.
2 - Executives rely heavily on market research but are terrible at thoughtful analysis. They see female viewership drop off on projects for older kids and assume it's something inherent to women and not that they don't offer animation that interests girls in that age range
3 - animation is at a point where profit motive is generally not capable of supporting it anymore
Why don’t they just say that then?
Because the people who hold the money and make the decisions in the industry hire analysts and focus groups to give them good news. And they come back with "Don't worry, your outdated industry model isn't sinking, you are not going down with the ship. You don't have to change, we promise, just do this tiny token effort instead and you'll be in the 80s toy boom making money hand over fist just like the good old days."
And because thats what the people in charge want to hear, that big profits are right around the corner and they barely have to change anything to get there, they buy into it. Money has insulated them from reality.
When the truth is more like "You're fricking a lot of things up. You're making the wrong content, you're spending too much to make it, and you are marketing it to the wrong people on the wrong platforms. This is why cheap cartoons from Asia with screaming dudes with spiky hair are beating your shit in. Get your house in order before it burns down." Which is a message that no one wants to hear. Thats not the message they paid for. So its not the message they get.
we dont need shows for women we just want fricking good shows to begin with.
Which we can't afford if half the population is outside the intended audience.
I don't think you can expect to get to 'good shows' without first expanding what western animation is allowed to be. Cartoons continue to be hampered by the fact that studios still think that the only two kinds of cartoons that can exist are action shows (which they don't like making) and comedies. Adult cartoons are almost always just the same thing as kids cartoons but with more swearing and drugs and sex jokes.
If you want quality cartoons, they need to be taken seriously as a medium and invite that quality. If they are going to be taken seriously as a medium, they need to evolve beyond just being the same dumb comedies and childish action as they are assumed to be now. There needs to be more diversity in cartoons, and I mean that in the sense that the cartoons that are being made need to be of a more diverse spread, not the way that people mean including more LGBT characters.
If you want better quality shows, the first steps to getting there involve making shows for women. And shows for men. And shows for kids. You get there by making comedies and action shows, but also dramas and romances and speculative scifi and spy thrillers and adaptations of popular books instead of just comic books. If you can do that, you have successfully uplifted the medium of western animation to TELL STORIES, as opposed to just occupy the time of children.
This is hilarious because it seems like a bigger indictment of women in animation (I assume they mean people making cartoons not a mistype of girls *into* animation) not being able to create cartoons that their own younger, but same sex demographic would be into. It's not the cartoon studio's fault, they're just reporting their failures.
My girls liked Gravity Falls and Avatar but not any cartoons for girls like MLP (thank god). I think they're just more engaged by live action than cartoons, which are more abstract, and being so give in to being more action oriented.
Wait, did I miss something? Did a cartoon studio actually say this?
tldr: Cartoon Network wants to do live action again. They scapegoated girls growing out of watching cartoons as one of the reasons behind doing it.
>Cartoon Network wants to do live action again
...Why? They've never made a single successful live action show as far as I can recall.
CN made a tweet and this is a twitter thread.
Original source was Amy Friedman from Warner Bros.
https://worldscreenevents.com/festivals/keynote-warner-bros-amy-friedman/
There's a video on that page. Friedman says at 1m45s that they want to cater more to the tastes of young girls. For that reason, they want to do more live-action programming. According to their market research, girls generally seem to lose their interest in animated content at a young age.
Some people in the animation industry got butthurt about what she said. They b***hed on Twitter or published articles on cartoon news websites.
https://www.cartoonbrew.com/studios/amy-friedman-girls-graduate-out-of-animation-217434.html
Maybe some people saw the quote out of context and misunderstood it? The first time I saw some screencap complaining about it, I thought it was saying that women who study arts and graduate their studies end up moving to different fields than animation. It was only after looking into it that I realized she was talking about the tastes of actual little girls rather than adult art school graduates.
Can someone explain to me why most cartoon studios are so allergic with action cartoons? Cartoon network had something with mao mao and they literally killed it.
There is a computer in california where you feed it your viewership numbers and our merchandise from shows. If you give it the data on an action cartoon and it isn't selling toys, it cancels your show.
"But its popular" You say. "Its doing very well, it just isn't selling toys. It was never intended to sell toys. We didn't even MAKE toys for this show."
The computer doesn't understand that. It was never programmed to be flexible. It juts knows that action cartoons are supposed to sell toys. So it cancels you anyway.
>There is a computer in california where you feed it your viewership numbers and our merchandise from shows
I saw something similar referenced in that HBO show Barry. I don't really pay attention to "how the sausage is made" beyond surface level like creator names attached and stuff, but do they really just let a computer system decide everything?
I was exaggerating. In reality, the computer is a room full of executives. But it might as well be a computer, because the only thing they deal with is numbers and they don't care about context. Its just easier to explain the sheer stupidity of the situation by calling it a computer, because we accept when a computer is rigid to the point of absurdity.
^This
Hollywood Executive truisms are baffling. Disney CEO Michael Eisner wanted to cancel "Pirates of the Caribbean" because "Pirate Movies dont sell". Everything us trends or calculations to them. Quality is irrelevant.
>Disney CEO Michael Eisner wanted to cancel "Pirates of the Caribbean" because "Pirate Movies dont sell"
I mean, was that before or after the first movie came out? Because I can understand hesitancy before that, but after that its sheer insanity.
Before, but it was literally mid production. The money was already spent.
I dunno but it's gotten every DC cartoon except TTGO taken out behind the shed and it makes me sad, because DC does great cartoons.
Cartoon studios don't want to do action anymore because comedy is a way they can give minimal effort for maximum profit, especially when its all they push.
Precisely my point. Anons ITT are actually defending big wig execs who we usually all agree are out of touch except when it comes to the female demographic despite the fact that shows like Teen Titans had a sizeable demographic of girls watching because the show was just good in and of itself, not because it was geared towards women specifically.
1. Are you fricking people so dense to not realize this "girls don't watch cartoons" shit is just a cover story and the real reason is that live action is more cost effective, and CN is actively trying to remove adult audiences from watching their shit.
2. Maybe, maybe. The biggest issue in western animation isn't demographics, or your boogieman of the week, but the fact more people working in animation are totally inept at writing and couldn't write their way out of a paper box? The reason episodic comedy shos do so much better is not only kids naturally gravitate more towards them, but they're only ones with halfway character writing and know the few natural strengths western animation has had for damn near a century?
But western animation writers are completely capable of writing seriously (Arcane for example), it's just that no self-respecting writer wants to work on shitshows like Amphibia or Owl House
If they did work on those shows then their writing would have improved it if they’re such good writers
Most of Arcane's writers aren't from the animation industry, they're from the video game industry, with the one lone exception being Ash Brannon who's an animated "move" writer, which is a different league than TV, and wrote for Toy Story fricking 2 and Surf's Up and Rock Dog
No one has ever been disappointed by appealing to latent sexism in the comics and cartoon fanbases. It hasn't failed them before, and it wont this time either.
Well sure it won’t fail, but a complete disregard of an entire demographic they haven’t ever in good faith tried to appeal to in a meaningful way is only reflective of their own self fulfilling prophecy.
Their intense and constant dishonesty never srops disgusting me.
Why do barely employable 30 year old men on a cartoon internet message board think they can run a multi-million dollar studio better than executives?
Because TV is dying while content made 30 year old men in their houses dominates the internet.
>executives/CEOs can't possibly be morons!
owl house would be a lot more popular if Hunter was Luz's love interest
>A renaissance will happen in the far future, just not now, looks like we are at a standstill.
And that is because the viewer "teenager or Adult" can insert their self into such party, it's one of the reasons the Loud had a huge online fandom and degeneracy "). Again, most kids are going to take shipping as cute, not something they neeeed to see or have in their shows. I just think the MC/Plot of the shows they are pumping out sucks, same goes for the Fox network cartoons, but what do I know.
Compared the popular shoujo anime and shonen anime popular with girls to the kinds of shows animation women want to make
You’ll see why girls grow out of animation
I don’t watch anime so I don’t know the answer to this
Popular shoujo is usually characterized by either female protagonists who fall deeply in love with a man and it’s their adventures getting together
A bland girl with a lot of male suiters
Or a show with no women, but instead a lot of gay and beautiful men
None of these series have any ugliness frankly, even for humor
Shonen popular with girls is usually characterized by angsty bad boy type of characters
Supporting casts that feel like a family
And characters who are blank enough for them to insert their own headcanons onto
Also both these kinds of shows have LOTS of drama
Shows with strong female fanbases in anime tend to be full of pretty looking men that fuel their fujo lust, be character-driven romances/character dramas that deal with trauma and feelings, or be really cutsey stuff aimed at kids like classic magical girl shows. And all of what was mentioned before, with the possible exception of pretty boy fujo shows, tend to have decent to large male fanbases as well.
As a side note, western animation for decades treated female protagonists at poison, while anime has had strong female protagonists since forever that have been popular with both genders. Lots of popular anime, even anime aimed at boys, is written or drawn by women and women have a strong presence in the industry.
>while anime has had strong female protagonists since forever that have been popular with both genders
It's even funnier because some of that anime not only stars girls, but LITTLE girls, which western executives insist is poison to the male audience, but plenty of dudes watched and enjoyed shows like Gunslinger Girl and Soul Eater despite them having tween girls as their protagonists.
>which western executives insist is poison to the male audience
Haven't shows like the Powerpuff Girls and even Totally Spies not proven us all that boys DO watch shows with (little) girl protagonists as long as there's some action and excitement to it?
adding Kim possible to the list.
Why western animation hasn’t taken a page out of Japan’s book will be a mystery to me. There is no good reason not to expand into different audiences with how widespread anime has become in recent years.
Netflix anime
Netflix fails to promote its own originals and they don’t have much to offer in terms of appealing to women or doing anything particularly interesting. Devil Man Crybaby pulled through despite that though due to it being an existing IP and it giving the violence and gratuitous sex audiences actually crave.
I agree! There is a general disconnection between the people working and execs. The only thing the execs care about the bottom line and what they know, which is only what they only care to try. The first is controversy thus fueling the propaganda machine in cartoons and the toothless overarching plot shows. The Owl House is a perfect example of a genuinely good concept being gutted to appeal to gayshit making it an overall cheaper product to produce.
ironically most people working in animation now have been more influenced by anime than cartoons. especially women
but it all seems pretty shallow influences, usually they just create sailor moon rip-offs or maybe its execs sucking any soul out of a product
people like anime because its bold, western animation is expensive and doesn't want to risk alienating audiences (unless its for political propaganda)
thats the problem with western animation. its either toothless bullcrap or literal properganda
> ironically most people working in animation now have been more influenced by anime than cartoons.
Doesn't surprise me one bit. Imagine you are someone who likes animation enough to want to do it for a living. You have a real passion for the medium.
What is more likely be something you have fond memories of watching? This?
or this?
I've seen people on this very board insist that bean mouths and noodle limbs are more inspirational than anything in anime, which I find absolutely fricking hilarious.
I think the entire western animation industry and most of the consumers of it are just insanely out-of-touch.
Different market culture. Families have more disposable income.
Upskirting isn't politically correct. Nor is pushing a lot of pornographic pieces.
Different studio culture, i.e. no comic market with confirmed successes to leech off of and no animators who will kill themselves to make your product for less than the market rate.
>thats the problem with western animation. its either toothless bullcrap or literal properganda
Eastern animation is all the same terrible shit, with the same terrible tropes, and poorly drawn to boot.
I'm still waiting for an anime character to act like a human being but as the decades tick on, they seem to become more and more alien.
Your argument doesn't really pass when you're using a modern show modern creators didn't grow up watching.
Also Spy Family looks like the most generic "slice of life" moe/e-girl shit from that intro. I'd not have fond memories of that.
You can really tell that the person who typed this is white.
How does that stop the statement from being right?
Because the statement implies that anyone who doesn't act sufficiently enough like a white person isn't acting "human."
Which is weird considering white people are a tiny minority of humanity and thus are by definition the ones who don't act human enough compared to the rest of the planet.
That wasn’t stated
Anime characters do not act like Japanese people. They act like a Japanese actor trying to be an over the top actor.
Cartoon characters due the same
>Cartoon characters aren't real people
Wow, amazing insight, next time maybe say that instead of posting paragraphs of obvious white seethe because you're upset that other races don't like the trash you like.
see above
>instead of posting paragraphs of obvious white seethe because you're upset that other races don't like the trash you like.
Is this a rent free? Neither of us said anything about that.
We were talking about characters acting like moronic aliens.
Holy shit, actors aren't exactly like real people? I thought the Avengers was just like real life!
/co/tards unironically think that people think that anime characters act like real people.
It's baffling, it's like these people are still stuck in 2007.
What do you expect when half of this board thinks Avatar is in pinacle of human creativity?
"Real" is relative when it comes to media, characters are supposed to FEEL real, not necessarily be real.
>characters are supposed to FEEL real, not necessarily be real.
Well, yeah, that's why anime is still invalidated.
And I don't need to resort to pointing at le wacky shark teeth girls to make my point.
Character design has frick all to do with it and you know it.
Most western animation doesn't even try to make their characters anything more than some gag machines, and the few that do half of that already small bunch are fricking horrible at it.
>The entire design of a character from visuals to personality has frick all to do with the character feeling real
Bub?
Are you actually making the big-brained argument that cartoon characters don't look like real people?
Is this a serious post or are you just trolling?Some of you homies have been straight up mind broken by anime, it's honestly embarrassing to see.
It doesn't. Do you think animals really talk too? Or that some people can shoot lasers from their eyes?
The core purpose of character design is to communicate to audience what said character is like just by looking at them, it doesn't magically get you to know them without writing.
Let me guess, you think Japanese people talk and act like anime characters?
Try being less white, and I don't mean black, I mean going outside and catching some rays whilst you touch grass.
You can really tell the person who typed this is a race-baiting homosexual. :3
>Also Spy Family looks like the most generic "slice of life" moe/e-girl shit from that intro. I'd not have fond memories of that.
the Western audience really is full of cope and sour grapes isn't it
I love when Cinemaphile tribalists pretend to know what the frick they're talking about when it comes to anime.
>Also Spy Family looks like the most generic "slice of life" moe/e-girl shit from that intro.
Ah yes, my all my favorite slice of life anime involve gun play and clear homages to 70s spy media
Personally, I like how the opening transitions through three distinct artstyles over the course of it. The atmospheric cold open, the pastel childrens book version from the POV of a child, and then the actual style of the show depicting the parents as they really are. Its a simple trick but a good one.
>Ah yes, my all my favorite slice of life anime involve gun play and clear homages to 70s spy media
I'm talking about the intro because I've watched neither of the cherry picked cartoons.
It's an identical intro to almost any boring anime ever, there's just a man singing instead this time, and it has a heavy focus on the little girl, which is a big red flag.
Its incredibly obvious you don't watch anime, so why are you trying to claim that something is generic when you don't even know what you are supposedly comparing it to?
This is the part where i ask you to post what other anime opening you think this one is so similar to, and then you immediately deflect to something else to avoid doing so.
This is the part where you smugly try to use the way I phrased that as your excuse not to do so.
>so why are you trying to claim that something is generic when you don't even know what you are supposedly comparing it to?
Because it is?
Do you watch anime?
That opener isn't anything unique.
... seriously do you watch anime?
>This is the part
Go and grab me 5 that you've watched then if you're this invested.
>smugly
Do you want me to grab a smug anime girl image for the next (You)? It's only a few clicks on google to do so.
Wow, he was right, you immediately deflected.
Once you learn to recognize when someone is arguing in bad faith, you can see the patterns of how they do so and predict their next move before they make it. His only two options were to deflect or not respond at all, and he can't disengage from the conversation until he feels he's had the last word.
Technically he could refute with an argument, but that would require him to know what he was talking about and he doesn't. So he can't do it.
>arguing in bad faith
You have to go back to [reddit]. This place isn't for you.
>and he can't disengage from the conversation until he feels he's had the last word.
I'll pretty much disengage when I'm bored or something else comes up.
So unfortunately you're just projecting.
>Technically he could refute with an argument
And you didn't make an argument. You just claimed I had no knowledge whilst not proving you had any yourself. Duh doi.
>Everything that doesn't agree with me is reddit
I swear this board is just as dumb as Cinemaphile
Wow you're mad
Deflection is when you change course from the purpose.
I'm letting anon go and grab what he's demanding so he can cherry pick counter examples.
That's not me deflecting, in fact it was originally deflection to not tackle the genuine point I was making by saying "You don't watch anime!!1!"
But I imagine that's too hard for someone like you to follow so you just pick whichever narrative is more convenient for you and make up the definitions of words.
>Deflection is when you change course from the purpose.
Which is what you did.
Anon asked you to post an OP that looks similar, and you didn't, because you can't.
See
The fricking point of the opening is being a visual metaphor for the rest of the series you dipshit.
The pastel part is literally the main little girl character looking at things with more innocent eyes, while knowing her adopted parents are a spy and an assassin.
>tfw still have the animatics from my older bro who works at Toei
Elaborate on this. There are many different shows women have wanted to create, not just dykeshit Cinemaphile likes to complain about.
And?
Just make an animated cw show
Wasn't TMNT 2012 popular with girls? Why was that?
Why dont they just make animation for boys?
Its boys that love and watch animation, their the real market.
Why the frick does CARTOON network have to change from CARTOONS to capture a market they think doesn't like them?
God even I can run the business better than these idiots
Because it's a very clear scapegoat, which is why they said it after their horrible announcement of starting back up live action productions. They can't just say "Hey it's cheaper so we're making live action again!" so instead they landed on their current excuse of older girls not watching animation. Them being out of touch enough to even think that was a somehow more passable excuse speaks volumes about CN's current management if the past decade of trash wasn't already a sign.
I wish everything these days stopped being about women, it's getting fricking tiring how stupid it is, point in case being this dumb overreacting in the OP, LOOK AT YOUR FRICKING TVs, THERE'S MORE GIRL PROTAGS IN CARTOONS THAN EVER
Maybe a female director should try pushing the medium
Faust has been in the industry for decades and has only managed to make kiddie bullshit
What the frick happend in this thread? Did sleeper agent morons come in?
Women happened.
Imagine being so poisoned by sour grapes that you look at an anime opening and go "heh, this has a little girl in it, red flag, looks like I can safely write this off as another degenerate piece of trash not worth bothering with, it can't hold a candle to something like" [checks post] "Thundercats Roar"
Animation for girls and women should be cute, lovey dovey and in the end, should be centered around the family.
Turning around the question
Why are live actions more popular with the female public than male public?
Are they?
Live action seems just as popular with both genders, it's just that they're into different things.