Is there anything lower than an atheist? They are nihilists but without the self-reflection to call themselves that, and they don't end up killing themselves either. Really, Atheism was an ego trip the whole time: "Look how tough I am I don't believe in a magical sky daddy!" And it allows them to do whatever they want, "I'm not eating my peas * bangs fists on table* They never grew up.
>if you don't believe in fairytales then you never grew up
Aside from childhood indoctrination and lifelong brainwashing, why do you believe in a religion when all youve got to go on is "trust me bro"
*and 2000 years of genius philosophers, artists and writers who demonstrated and embodied the perfection of the belief system
sorry forget to mention that
>and 2000 years of genius philosophers, artists and writers who demonstrated and embodied the perfection of the belief system
All of that can be boiled down to "trust me bro".
literally not a single lick of tangible evidence for any of the outlandish claims and absolutely zero modern day evidence of supernatural occurences that can stand up to any level of scrutiny. It's called faith because you don't actually "know" anything. Genuinely cult brainwashing.
Leibniz. Principle of sufficient reason. Proven. You’ve been debunked. And honestly you can frame everything that contradicts your own beliefs as brainwashing but ultimately it comes down to an outlook on life. Faith basically means trust that reality is not unkind and exists for a purpose. You trust existence to not be a total joke in the end. That’s a perspective, not brainwashing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Principle of sufficient reason
This in absolutely no way debunks anything I've said about religion, so get the frick out of here with that shit. Your mistake is assuming I'm a nihilist because I don't think *insert messiah here* had all the answers and performed magical party tricks fueled by divine spiral energy.
I'd concede that there is something simply beyond human understanding about the universe and perhaps even a will in the "grand scheme", however I genuinely believe you have a smooth brain if you think any of the religions that man has dreamt up could possibly be plausible. Religion is not rational at all, it's entirely emotional, usually fear and righteous posturing.
>The Christian >Spiritual experiences: only given out by Gaaawd if you're following his rules
You can (can, not will) have a more spiritual experience sitting in an empty field listening to classical music than you can sitting in Mass.
I wish these c**ts would just become priests or whatever their religions equivalent is and yet most of them are only willing to go half way and become the moral bottom feeders that are religious preachers.
Like putting to practice what the faith teaches. Not everyone is expected nor required to be a priest. And just because you aren't a priest does not mean that you are somehow invalidated.
If it's something you truly wish to know, you'll take the initiative to read and learn the source material.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm asking you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, I know. But I don't feel like you are asking this from a stance of interest, rather from one of seeking a petty argument on the internet. Show me you actually have an interest and I'll be more lenient in having this discussion with you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why should my interest or non-interest prevent you from actually answering the question? This is a forum, I'm not the only one listening.
2 years ago
Anonymous
As I've already said, if you really want to know, read the Bible.
The irony is that it is the exact opposite. There is nothing more important in this life than preparing your soul for when stand face-to-face with God and render an account of your life. You can meme and larp online all you want, but there is nothing you can do to prevent your judgement from happening
>There is nothing more important in this life than preparing your soul for when stand face-to-face
You actually believe this? There is NOTHING more important, at all? Not a single thing? Fact is life is filled with so many miserable ups and downs that it would be impossible to have your entire thoughts and feelings guided by some future accounting of yourself by a higher power, other necessities take over like making sure your children eat dinner or paying off your car loan.
What's important is relative, and even then the level of importance and be measured against other things deemed important.
you'd think they'd want to showcase how the power of christ changed his life for the better but he just dies a slow painful death instead. what an uplifting message
>doesn't the professor recant his atheist ways and accept jesus before he dies?
That's literally what the guy you're responding to just said put in different words.
Because they aren't movies. They don't exist to tell a story, they just exist to pander to Christians who want to feel simultaneously oppressed and powerful.
You wouldn't call a workplace training video a movie, would you? This is the same thing. The workers are Christians and they're being trained to dismiss people critical of their views.
This. As a Christian, I was offended watching this movie with how patronizing and dismissive it was. You won't bring people to Christ by painting everyone not Christian as heartless, that's the complete opposite of Christ's message.
>You won't bring people to Christ by painting everyone not Christian as heartless, that's the complete opposite of Christ's message. >join us or spend an eternity burning in hellfire >god is omnibenevolent btw 🙂
how is all the atheist media that does this any different? like midnight mass or the invention of lying. it’s all literally propaganda to validate insecure homosexuals
Good christian art is about more than just Christianity. There are plenty of great christian films, but they have more going on than a hyperfocus on "gotta refute the atheists"
Basically these types of movies sacrifice everything in favor of the message.
Why are we having these discussions anymore? Discussing stuff like this gives it merit. These aren’t things worth thinking or pondering about. Every organism dies, there is likely no afterlife, your life doesn’t mean anything and neither do your kids. Get over it
The Golden Compass is the funniest. The books are YA, but also a fairly somber critique of organized religion in general, particularly the Catholic Church (but not critical of spirituality as a whole), New Line Cinema sold off international gross rights to fund the movie with the intent of making it back in the US, but also stripped out much of the religious overtones to pander to American evangelicals and not upset them. Didn't work, evangelicals still called it SATANIC and demanded BOYCOTTS and gave it all the bad press. The result was the movie was blatantly gimped from its source material, and bombed in the US anyway. Then it actually did decently worldwide but of course New Line didn't see any of that cash and it was a huge money loser, being the primary motivator for them being merged with Warner Bros in 2008.
In short, American evangelicals live to whine and scream angrily, trying to appease them is a mistake.
>try to make anti religious propaganda >people say they don’t want their children’s media filled with globohomosexual political messaging which attacks their beliefs >cuck out because you have no principles instead of cancelling the entire thing >it bombs and is forgotten
Meanwhile fantasy by catholic chads like tolkien and wolff is discussed constantly. Epic
I don't want Wolfe to get too popular or else he'll get ruined with some trash Amazon adaptation like Wheel of Time and now LotR. He's worth gatekeeping and protecting.
>replies to a post about something not being anti-religious but anti-organized religion with "ANTI RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDA!!!"
This is why you're not taken seriously. The melodrama.
"organized religion" is literally a spook made up by sociologists and atheists as a wedge to move goalposts; religion is literally always organized or else it's not a religion and just healing crystal bullshit.
>J-JUST NEVER ORGANISE AND SYSTEMATISE YOUR BELIEFS!!! NEVER PRACTICE ANYTHING!!! J-JUST BE PERMISSIVE NEW AGE VAGUE SHIT!! STOP BEING A RIVAL TO SECULAR POWER AND INSTITUTIONS!!!!
Lmao. Pretty sure pullman has recanted his views on this anyway and has said religion is a fundamental part of human psychology.
It is ALWAYS corrupted and co-opted by human hands into a system of either greed or control, or likely both.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so we should abolish the government for doing the same shit... or every institution ever
2 years ago
Anonymous
Given the government isn't (inherently) attached to spirituality and religion it's considerably easier to remain separate from its inevitable twisting and corruption. The problem with a corrupted religion is it ties people's faith to a corrupt human system, that's a deeper level of damage by far.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it’s easier to maintain separate from the twisting and corruption
that’s cope and you cannot possibly believe that. soviet union did more damage and killed more people than every religion in history combined in what, less than one hundred years? one hundred million people? the american government has literally fricking irradiated and infected its own population with diseases on purpose for experiments. the entire economic system is based around exploitation and violence. it’s hilarious seeing atheists larp as counter corruption and drop the act as soon as it comes to daddy state. what a joke
2 years ago
Anonymous
>soviet union did more damage and killed more people than every religion in history combined in what, less than one hundred years?
Are you fricking moronic? That is not true.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you moronic? Tally all the deaths from religious wars in history and it doesn’t fricking come close to that number. The most death and destruction in history occurred during the last century- all for secular reasons. Your boogeyman literally doesn’t like up with reality.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why don't you do the big tally considering you first made this claim yourself?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lmfao name a religious war or religiously motivated mass killing that comes close to anything in the 20th century. Just one. There isn’t.
>30 years war, biggest religious conflict in history >8 million dead
Yeah. They don’t even manage a tenth of stalin’s numbers bro.
Like this guy said. The biggest one ever barely manages a tenth. I’ll be generous and add the taiping rebellion even though it was a power grab- 30 million. Let’s throw the crusades in too, which most historians estimate at 1 million deaths total for al of them together. That’s all the bloodiest religious conflicts in history and it tallies at 39 million in a period of 2 thousand years. The soviet union (state atheist btw) did double that in 50
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did I stutter? Do the tally for us or don't even bother making any claims like that if you don't feel like backing it up with any estimates.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>3 biggest religious conflicts ever by far, and the third biggest one is barely a million >not even going to add up to what one single atheist government did in less than a century >he thinks compounding MORE secular wars like napoleon with the diminishing returns of sub 1 million death wars is going to make his side look better
2 years ago
Anonymous
Next time just say "Nah I don't wanna"
2 years ago
Anonymous
if you don’t understand how you’re btfo based on that post it’s just stupidity. if the third most deadly religious war managed a million, and one secular government is doing double the three biggest ones in history combined in less than a century- like how do you think it’s going to look if I add the napolenic wars, gallic wars, world war 1?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your post was about the cumulative death toll caused by religions in ALL OF HISTORY, but you're squarely focusing now on a single example of a religious was that already amounts of at least half of Stalin's death toll by some estimates.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>30 years war, biggest religious conflict in history >8 million dead
Yeah. They don’t even manage a tenth of stalin’s numbers bro.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Stalin's caused deaths are anywhere from 3 and 20 Million, so 8 million in a single war is definitely more than a tenth of his numbers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Separate on a personal level. >Wow the government sucks and is full of crooks
Is a pretty standard thought process the world over. >Wow my own religion sucks and is full of crooks
Not so much.
First off you aren’t a christian so your opinion on the matter is meaningless. Secondly maybe the nuance went over your head. The entire film was exploring the morality of the situation he was in. Do you think the director is personally approving every action depicted on screen or something? You know scorcese isn’t an atheist right?
First off you aren’t a christian so your opinion on the matter is meaningless. Secondly maybe the nuance went over your head. The entire film was exploring the morality of the situation he was in. Do you think the director is personally approving every action depicted on screen or something? You know scorcese isn’t an atheist right?
The film is literally, and I mean literally, about one man being given all the options to free a particular group people from human inflicted misery, and outright refusing for most of the film because he's more concerned with himself and how he perceives himself in the eyes of God. In the end he steps on Jesus anyway, and he keeps his faith hidden. Too bad a few dozen Japanese had to have their lives taken away before that.
Presumably Garfield's character isn't in heaven, right?
The author of the book and the director are catholic is all i’m saying. It’s not an anti christian message. He has a conflict of faith and learns that resigning himself is the correct thing to do. It’s interesting that people like you frame the conflict in such a sociopathic way- the priest isn’t killing anyone. He isn’t hurting anyone. The japanese guy is choosing to harm and murder people of his own volition to try and force the priest to do something. Framing andrew as the one to blame is stockholm syndrome shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not saying it's an anti-Christian message, and I'm not saying he's killing anyone, only that the priest can ultimately stop the suffering before him but chooses not to until the very last second. It's one thing if the torture and death are being subjected to yourself, it's another when it's people who aren't you. The man LITERALLY sees himself as Christ multiple times in the movie, as a martyr. He's no martyr.
>Christ didn't even fricking hate Judas
Judas wasn't forgiven and Judas had so much guilt in him that he hung himself and the area that he hung himself in was given a name after that.
Didn't say anything about him being forgiven, only that Jesus didn't hate him.
yeah he’s the bad guy and not the one choosing to murder people over someone guys religion and using their lives as emotional manipulation. andrew is the bad guy here
Not a bad guy, but clearly not a good Christian.
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh ok, I totally misunderstood you. my bad
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It’s interesting that people like you frame the conflict in such a sociopathic way
Because they have no souls. They are NPCs in the literal sense.
It’s just desperately trying to turn christkino into a victory for atheism via mental gymnastics. Reminder redditors HATE scorsese more than anyone else for insulting capeshit
These movies are made by people who are obviously flustered at atheists and non-Christians >journalist atheist women gets cancer or whatever >professor gets hit by a car and is patronized by two ministers as he's dying >muslim father beats the shit out of his daughter for listening to music, also not wearing her head rag
Both of those are fringes within their faith. Your mainline muslim is insane and is going to groom your daughter while your mainline christian is a normal dude
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Your mainline muslim is insane and is going to groom your daughter
Proof?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Google "grooming gangs UK"
Also "sexual assault muslims france"
"Sexual assault muslims sweden"
"sexual assaukt rates middle east"
etc
2 years ago
Anonymous
>18 year old North Africa/Middle Eastern migrants >mainline muslims
2 years ago
Anonymous
How are those not?
2 years ago
Anonymous
How are they?
2 years ago
Anonymous
They clearly are? They're just average everyday muslims and look how they behave
2 years ago
Anonymous
But how is this clear at all? All you did was bring up rapes by migrants.
those are rookie numbers, we need to pump those up.
The Golden Compass is the funniest. The books are YA, but also a fairly somber critique of organized religion in general, particularly the Catholic Church (but not critical of spirituality as a whole), New Line Cinema sold off international gross rights to fund the movie with the intent of making it back in the US, but also stripped out much of the religious overtones to pander to American evangelicals and not upset them. Didn't work, evangelicals still called it SATANIC and demanded BOYCOTTS and gave it all the bad press. The result was the movie was blatantly gimped from its source material, and bombed in the US anyway. Then it actually did decently worldwide but of course New Line didn't see any of that cash and it was a huge money loser, being the primary motivator for them being merged with Warner Bros in 2008.
In short, American evangelicals live to whine and scream angrily, trying to appease them is a mistake.
Yeah same. I can make fun of Christians all day long, but mudslime savages are in another category entirely. Living proof of what radical beliefs lead to. I'd burn any ISIS member alive with no shame.
>I pretend to like this sandBlack person religion to own le libs
Nah you're just a coping larping loser, otherwise you'd be going about killing infidels instead of sucking smelly mudslime wiener online like a b***h
>redditfrog >strawman
oof
>I can't answers this so I'll call it a strawman >oh you've posted a frog that invalidates evey argument sweaty
Typical christgay hypocrite
Nope, I hate both religion and leftists cancer. Shocking I know.
>literally makes up arguments and responses for people instead of responding to what they say >this isn’t a strawman somehow
?
>literally makes up arguments
So you're saying that isn't true that non-christians go to hell?
>dying for your beliefs BAD >being against degenerate troony west BAD
can you make it more obvious you’re some seething crossdressing degenerate fruit? lmao
>dying for your beliefs is killing random innocents and being a terrorist
I have utmost contempt for you, you aren't human you are filth that deserves to be executed on sight
2 years ago
Anonymous
>NOOOOO THE HECKIN INNOCENTS YOU CANT DO THAT
I thought morality was relative bro
2 years ago
Anonymous
You don't have to believe in religious bullshit to know that killing random innocents is the most despicable thing anyone could do. Now go and slit your throat with a dull knife you sandBlack person terrorist apologist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You don't have to believe in religious bullshit to know that killing random innocents is the most despicable thing anyone could do.
Why?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Except why is it? As far as you’re aware life is the spastic accident of meaningless chemical processes. Our instinctual programming making us do things to cooperate has no actual truth behind it, it’s arbitrary and exists only so that genes can replicate themselves for no reason. So no, it actually isn’t bad. Nothing is inherently good or bad.
>pretending to be le edgy morons >morality cannot exist without religion
FRICK OFF.
Inflicting pain and suffering on other human beings is bad because I actually have empathy and don't want it happening to me in turn. Religious zealots lack it therefore they are evil and must be eliminated for the sake of others. Golden Rule and Categorical Imperative is a good directive for those who actually have principles and convictions. But you already know all of that and are just trolling with your edgy bullshit. Go frick yourselves pathetic morons.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Empathy
Empathy is only possible in a basedciety like this, where struggle for survival is minimal. The real world requires zero empathy to be able to survive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>now he's pretending to be le based grug primitivist
Empathy is inherent trait of non-mentally ill humans, moron. You are not an animal unless you choose to be. If you want to live like a dire beast, it's your choice. I'd rather die with dignity than live without it.
I’m not saying people can’t act in a “moral “ way without religion. Atheists can be “good” people obviously and religious people can be “evil”. I’m saying the concepts of good and bad and morality are baseless incoherent shit if you are an atheist. They are subjective, made up values without a shred of objective truth behind them. You mention the categorical imperative but kant, the guy who came up with it, said himself religion will always be the place for morality because reason fundamentally cannot defend it. It’s nice if you try to live by the golden rule, it’s just that by your own beliefs the golden rule is meaningless shit. Your emotions compel you to believe in it because of genetic and cultural conditioning. That’s nice. Doesn’t make it true. You’re a monkey who has fundamental irrational social directives based around replicating genes for no reason. Those directives don’t exist for a moral reason, they exist because of natural selection. Evolution doesn’t give a frick about morality and “basic goodness” as you know it is a modern concept. Aztecs, cavemen or carthaginians wouldn’t give a frick about your basic kindness or even agree about what kindness is. That’s what people are saying with the morality and religion thing. You can be a good person by the standards of your time, but those standards mean frick all and will change.
I was raised in a christian environment and while i reject religion i believe in morality. My beliefs may come form a different place but they are not that entirely different from christian morality. Principles and convictions may stem from anywhere as long as they are upheld. Loyalty, honor, kindness, dignity etc all concepts that can live on their own. You might say I'm an idealist that believes in higher concepts rather than higher being. >I’m saying the concepts of good and bad and morality are baseless incoherent shit if you are an atheist
Bullshit. Religion itself doesn't offer anything besides a carrot and a stick, at least for me. Strength of will and your convictions are what truly matters. Though I wouldn't say I'm an atheist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it’s like you can’t comprehend what i’m saying at a basic level. did you even read my post? all these concepts you list are programmed to sound nice to you by culture and genetics. genetics which aren’t based on morality but survival which is based on gene replication which occurs for no inherent reason. so those compulsions, while nice feeling to us, don’t correspond to anything inherently moral. they are objectively meaningless and subjective
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nice try Satan, you almost had me, but not this time. Seems like some force is trying to tell me something here, don't know what.
But seriously.
I understand what you are saying perfectly. Many a time I was arguing this exact point you are making now. It's just it doesn't lead anywhere really. Yeah everything is meaningless and subjective, so what. This understanding liberates you, unless you fall into the pit of existential despair. Carve your own path with your own hands. We humans are given a great gift, so we should use it for good instead of stumbling in halls of self-degradation. Fight the absurdity of this world with fire in your heart.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>objectively meaningless and subjective
This is such a reductive statement to the conversation because you're always going to default to nihilism without divinity in the equation. The thing is that empathy is clearly important to the propagation of the human race and it holds meaning and worth objectively if that's how you want to weigh it up. You may as well make the claim that love is meaningless without religion to contextualize it. We give meaning to these things, after all we did invent religion in the pursuit of further legitimising these concepts so they must have had inherent value to begin with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so you’re agreeing it’s all meaningless bullshit you pretend is real based on your emotions and faith lmfao
2 years ago
Anonymous
>meaningless
If you really love something or someone and get fulfilment from that then the meaning is simply in the experience itself, not for the sake of some unimaginable extraneous mumbo jumbo. I don't "pretend" to enjoy good food or music in the pursuit of making it "real". I simply enjoy it and then that's that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I’m not saying people can’t act in a “moral “ way without religion. Atheists can be “good” people obviously and religious people can be “evil”. I’m saying the concepts of good and bad and morality are baseless incoherent shit if you are an atheist. They are subjective, made up values without a shred of objective truth behind them. You mention the categorical imperative but kant, the guy who came up with it, said himself religion will always be the place for morality because reason fundamentally cannot defend it. It’s nice if you try to live by the golden rule, it’s just that by your own beliefs the golden rule is meaningless shit. Your emotions compel you to believe in it because of genetic and cultural conditioning. That’s nice. Doesn’t make it true. You’re a monkey who has fundamental irrational social directives based around replicating genes for no reason. Those directives don’t exist for a moral reason, they exist because of natural selection. Evolution doesn’t give a frick about morality and “basic goodness” as you know it is a modern concept. Aztecs, cavemen or carthaginians wouldn’t give a frick about your basic kindness or even agree about what kindness is. That’s what people are saying with the morality and religion thing. You can be a good person by the standards of your time, but those standards mean frick all and will change.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Except why is it? As far as you’re aware life is the spastic accident of meaningless chemical processes. Our instinctual programming making us do things to cooperate has no actual truth behind it, it’s arbitrary and exists only so that genes can replicate themselves for no reason. So no, it actually isn’t bad. Nothing is inherently good or bad.
>dying for your beliefs BAD >being against degenerate troony west BAD
can you make it more obvious you’re some seething crossdressing degenerate fruit? lmao
I mean, the actual religion is somewhat similar to islam, the thing is, modern day christians are barely religious and don't actually follow the rules of their faith at all
Sounds like reality. I wonder why you’re so triggered by mortality. You need to find god young man I will pray for you to accept Christ’s love and find peace
Who is more triggered by mortality, the one who accepted it as a natural consequence of being a living being, or the one who needs to believe in an after-life where "living" never ends?
I have to really wonder if atheists do in fact have morals because they view the ego as God, they use Atheism as a ticket to do whatever they want. It's true though that many Christians only believe so they go to heaven or avoid hell, and some of them are evil spiritual narcissists. That's the worst type of narcissist since he is convinced God is on his side, so he is God essentially.
From viewing Atheists on the internet, they seem completely self-serving.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>on the internet
Please go outside and talk to actual people. Shake their hands and whatnot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No I don't need to, most (if not all) atheists I've run across on the internet was immature, smug, and narcissistic. They treat their Atheism like a religion, they feel superior to religious people and use the Bible (which they don't believe in) to prove that God doesn't exist, it doesn't make any sense.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're living in a curated fantasy/digital world, and it's obviously warped your views.
>Angels and arc angels battling demons, interacting with humans
You see a lot of this in anime, except demons are almost always the good guys/protagonist and angels are evil or at the very least self righteous buttholes
>Christians are hypocritical bloodthirsty savages
What else is new. Just have to look no further than the Inquisition, witch burning, Malleus Maleficarum etc. All the good stuff.
Yeah, i think Yhwh frowns on murder, but honestly man Christianity is and has always been a religion desperately trying to avoid fading into obscurity, so consistent message? Nah remain slightly relevant with formulaic, violent film? AMEN!
same reason "woke" leftie movies are awful. Their priority isn't a high quality movie but a certain propaganda/message, which dictates every decision made in the process.
Christcucks have the critical thinking skills trained out of them on purpose and the vast majority of them have little to no self awareness otherwise they would live in a 24/7 state of embarrassment. What you get is any time a genuine christcuck tries spreading their message they just look like idiots.
The only reason these religions still exist is because every so often you get someone that figures out that their religion is a scam, but realizes that it's a useful tool for controlling and manipulating people and plays along with it for their own benefit.
>Christcucks have the critical thinking skills trained out of them on purpose >The only reason these religions still exist is because every so often you get someone that figures out that their religion is a scam
Ironic that the guy who thinks he has superior critical thinking skills is repeating centuries old Marxist propaganda about religion. Daily reminder that the majority of Nobel Prize winners in all of the sciences have been Christian btw
ironic talking about a lack of self awareness while sounding like your average mediocre midwit getting his validation from calling all le sheeps below him
Caths have a better delineation between their capital C Church as spiritually more than the sum of its parts, whereas Prots see themselves more as just their congregation and their pastors in a narrower way. As such Caths are more comfortable with showing people in their own flock being less than perfect without taking it as personally, which leads to more dynamic and memorable characters.
It's also a cultural problem. Heavily Catholic countries (Spain, Italy, Ireland, Poland) have tended to have the weight of Catholicism put on their shoulders, especially Ireland where people up until recently would get saddled with heavy guilt through religion. This isn't a GOOD thing but it's easier to see when you're being introspective later in life. American Protestantism on the other hand, like many American things, tends to be about telling you how great and special you are without really giving you any deeper meaning....while usually putting their hand in your pocket. This is a lot harder to see through as a trick because it becomes an easy crutch and those relying on it become weak and wobbly without the constant reaffirmation. So they don't want to see or make movies about how sort of shit the religion can be. They just want happy clappy cheap things that are about how they're great and everyone else is a loser. In those heavily Catholic films, you're the loser usually. You can say that's self-pity, but the quality of the films in comparison don't lie.
>Christcucks have the critical thinking skills trained out of them on purpose and the vast majority of them have little to no self awareness otherwise they would live in a 24/7 state of embarrassment. What you get is any time a genuine christcuck tries spreading their message they just look like idiots. >The only reason these religions still exist is because every so often you get someone that figures out that their religion is a scam, but realizes that it's a useful tool for controlling and manipulating people and plays along with it for their own benefit.
You didn’t get any replies because atheist capeshitters have never heard of these films. They probably think that dreamworks one is peak christian cinema
moronic question but why is 'muh crusades' the first thing alot of people latch onto? its basically: >Be noblemen in Europe >Get word the holy land is being attacked by barbarians >"Constantinople needs your help!" >Okay, sounds fair for god and all that. >get into scrimish and do okay > second scrimish is alittle longer, not getting much support but promised more for success > third time isn't cutting it, funds down to zero >Sorry chaps its not happening we're splitting >Constantinople become Istanbul >Continue numerous smaller scrimishes outside of the three crusades that added up to 100 years or so >numerous stories crop up of 'yeah that was shit but what can you do? we where asked for aid and didn't pan out' >Fast forward to now >"REEEEE CHRIST KEKS EVIL FOR CRUSADES, LITTERL HORTLER"
Why is always Protestants who are the most cringe? Catholic art is Kino every goddamn time, and Protestant art is just hallmark television with a smaller budget.
Garfield is so concerned with his relationship with Christ he actually allows people to be slain because he thinks he'll upset Christ by stepping on a representation of him. Christ didn't even fricking hate Judas, and Garfield has his head so far up his fricking ass he thinks Jesus will care enough about stepping on his representation to save actual human lives?
>Christ didn't even fricking hate Judas
Judas wasn't forgiven and Judas had so much guilt in him that he hung himself and the area that he hung himself in was given a name after that.
yeah he’s the bad guy and not the one choosing to murder people over someone guys religion and using their lives as emotional manipulation. andrew is the bad guy here
Idolatry has nothing at all to do with a representation of God. It has to do with how pagans worship literal stone/wood/metal figurines as if they are a god and they can actually do something for them. A visual representation of God isn't idolatry, unless the individual thinks the literal statue is God Himself, and begins to worship that statue as if it was God Himself.
Yeah, and the tablet of Christ was created by Japanese authorities to make Christians renounce their faith. It's the nonbelievers who imbued stepping on it as apostasy, why should it bother the Christians?
I don't watch movies like this, so I don't know the exact context of what is happening, just pointing out what idolatry means in regards to the Christian understanding of what it represents.
Reminds me of something I saw back when I was a sophomore at San Diego State
A Marine was taking college classes between deployments
One day our professor shocked everyone by walking into class, looking up and stating "God, if you are real, I want you to come down and knock me off this platform, I will give you 15 minutes
Our Marine classmate got up from his seat and punched him in the face knocking him off the platform and out cold.
The professor came to and was like "What the heck did you do that for?!"
Our marine classmate said something along the lines of "God was busy protecting America's military who are out protecting your right to say stupid shit like that, so he sent me to fill in."
They go too hard on-the-nose with the theme. The reason you don't hear about "good" christian films is because they aren't regarded as "christian films" derisively. Christian films are like Michael Bay movies: they have an audience, they cater to that audience, and are complete garbage to everyone else.
Not also related to this but why can't people realize that nowadays most movie, series, etc. tries to attack, divide, de-humanize humanity and act in masses against it >yeah this movie, series, etc. threats all the things a correct human being should follow as shit also praise and support minorities and their better not degenerate way of life >i don't know how to pass the time, so watched this great thing because it's acts contrarian towards humanity
It's fricked up
Grrrrr
because the treat atheists like people
Is there anything lower than an atheist? They are nihilists but without the self-reflection to call themselves that, and they don't end up killing themselves either. Really, Atheism was an ego trip the whole time: "Look how tough I am I don't believe in a magical sky daddy!" And it allows them to do whatever they want, "I'm not eating my peas * bangs fists on table* They never grew up.
>if you don't believe in fairytales then you never grew up
Aside from childhood indoctrination and lifelong brainwashing, why do you believe in a religion when all youve got to go on is "trust me bro"
*and 2000 years of genius philosophers, artists and writers who demonstrated and embodied the perfection of the belief system
sorry forget to mention that
>and 2000 years of genius philosophers, artists and writers who demonstrated and embodied the perfection of the belief system
All of that can be boiled down to "trust me bro".
literally not a single lick of tangible evidence for any of the outlandish claims and absolutely zero modern day evidence of supernatural occurences that can stand up to any level of scrutiny. It's called faith because you don't actually "know" anything. Genuinely cult brainwashing.
Leibniz. Principle of sufficient reason. Proven. You’ve been debunked. And honestly you can frame everything that contradicts your own beliefs as brainwashing but ultimately it comes down to an outlook on life. Faith basically means trust that reality is not unkind and exists for a purpose. You trust existence to not be a total joke in the end. That’s a perspective, not brainwashing.
>Principle of sufficient reason
This in absolutely no way debunks anything I've said about religion, so get the frick out of here with that shit. Your mistake is assuming I'm a nihilist because I don't think *insert messiah here* had all the answers and performed magical party tricks fueled by divine spiral energy.
I'd concede that there is something simply beyond human understanding about the universe and perhaps even a will in the "grand scheme", however I genuinely believe you have a smooth brain if you think any of the religions that man has dreamt up could possibly be plausible. Religion is not rational at all, it's entirely emotional, usually fear and righteous posturing.
I'm not any particular religion, any religion will work. They've all been corrupted to a certain extent.
>The Christian
>Spiritual experiences: only given out by Gaaawd if you're following his rules
You can (can, not will) have a more spiritual experience sitting in an empty field listening to classical music than you can sitting in Mass.
Do you have reading comprehension issues?
Am I not allowed to respond to the MS paint image you posted? You can pretend that post wasn't directed at you, even if it was.
Just a bunch of stuff that happens with no real journey or growth. Conclusions are reached without effort.
protestants are soulless and incapable of creating art
Anyone who makes religion their entire life is the definition of a soulless NPC
basing your identity on a singular thing is moronic (weebs, DUDEgays, beer guys)
I wish these c**ts would just become priests or whatever their religions equivalent is and yet most of them are only willing to go half way and become the moral bottom feeders that are religious preachers.
Majority of people who make their religion their entire life do it for spiritual pursuits, which has nothing to do with being an NPC.
>spiritual pursuits
Like becoming a priest or a minister or something? Explain.
Like putting to practice what the faith teaches. Not everyone is expected nor required to be a priest. And just because you aren't a priest does not mean that you are somehow invalidated.
>practice what the faith teaches
Such as?
If it's something you truly wish to know, you'll take the initiative to read and learn the source material.
I'm asking you.
Yes, I know. But I don't feel like you are asking this from a stance of interest, rather from one of seeking a petty argument on the internet. Show me you actually have an interest and I'll be more lenient in having this discussion with you.
Why should my interest or non-interest prevent you from actually answering the question? This is a forum, I'm not the only one listening.
As I've already said, if you really want to know, read the Bible.
The irony is that it is the exact opposite. There is nothing more important in this life than preparing your soul for when stand face-to-face with God and render an account of your life. You can meme and larp online all you want, but there is nothing you can do to prevent your judgement from happening
>There is nothing more important in this life than preparing your soul for when stand face-to-face
You actually believe this? There is NOTHING more important, at all? Not a single thing? Fact is life is filled with so many miserable ups and downs that it would be impossible to have your entire thoughts and feelings guided by some future accounting of yourself by a higher power, other necessities take over like making sure your children eat dinner or paying off your car loan.
What's important is relative, and even then the level of importance and be measured against other things deemed important.
This poster probably lives like Ethan Ralph
I am god
Omg Ricky gervais I am a big fan
My only argument God or a simulation is that it's fricking strange so much stuff aligned for us to be here. Shit poading
perverse movie that actually tries to make you feel happy the professor got killed
doesn't the professor recant his atheist ways and accept jesus before he dies? lmao
yes then they all go to a christian rock concert
you'd think they'd want to showcase how the power of christ changed his life for the better but he just dies a slow painful death instead. what an uplifting message
>doesn't the professor recant his atheist ways and accept jesus before he dies?
That's literally what the guy you're responding to just said put in different words.
nope
One of the guys who was there when he dies literally says "This is a cause for celebration"
Because they aren't movies. They don't exist to tell a story, they just exist to pander to Christians who want to feel simultaneously oppressed and powerful.
You wouldn't call a workplace training video a movie, would you? This is the same thing. The workers are Christians and they're being trained to dismiss people critical of their views.
This. As a Christian, I was offended watching this movie with how patronizing and dismissive it was. You won't bring people to Christ by painting everyone not Christian as heartless, that's the complete opposite of Christ's message.
>You won't bring people to Christ by painting everyone not Christian as heartless, that's the complete opposite of Christ's message.
>join us or spend an eternity burning in hellfire
>god is omnibenevolent btw 🙂
>redditfrog
>strawman
oof
Can I ask when (if ever) was the last time you had an interaction with the Christ god?
how is all the atheist media that does this any different? like midnight mass or the invention of lying. it’s all literally propaganda to validate insecure homosexuals
>random whataboutism
I called out both sides in my post so it isn’t. Brush up on your reddit gotchas
because they have to make sure that all of these morons get the message.
So they lay it on thic.
watch this if you want faith kino
Good christian art is about more than just Christianity. There are plenty of great christian films, but they have more going on than a hyperfocus on "gotta refute the atheists"
Basically these types of movies sacrifice everything in favor of the message.
Really makes you think
so christcucks are just resorting to agnostic talking points now to own the fedoras?
Agnostichads... we won!
>why are these movies so awful?
Evangelicals can't into cinema.
for the same reason modern Hollywood movies are bad: they're propaganda
Why are we having these discussions anymore? Discussing stuff like this gives it merit. These aren’t things worth thinking or pondering about. Every organism dies, there is likely no afterlife, your life doesn’t mean anything and neither do your kids. Get over it
>the faith community rejected one of the most poignant and personal films about Christ and redemption
>zealots bombed theaters and threatened Scorsese
They deserve shit.
The Golden Compass is the funniest. The books are YA, but also a fairly somber critique of organized religion in general, particularly the Catholic Church (but not critical of spirituality as a whole), New Line Cinema sold off international gross rights to fund the movie with the intent of making it back in the US, but also stripped out much of the religious overtones to pander to American evangelicals and not upset them. Didn't work, evangelicals still called it SATANIC and demanded BOYCOTTS and gave it all the bad press. The result was the movie was blatantly gimped from its source material, and bombed in the US anyway. Then it actually did decently worldwide but of course New Line didn't see any of that cash and it was a huge money loser, being the primary motivator for them being merged with Warner Bros in 2008.
In short, American evangelicals live to whine and scream angrily, trying to appease them is a mistake.
>try to make anti religious propaganda
>people say they don’t want their children’s media filled with globohomosexual political messaging which attacks their beliefs
>cuck out because you have no principles instead of cancelling the entire thing
>it bombs and is forgotten
Meanwhile fantasy by catholic chads like tolkien and wolff is discussed constantly. Epic
I don't want Wolfe to get too popular or else he'll get ruined with some trash Amazon adaptation like Wheel of Time and now LotR. He's worth gatekeeping and protecting.
>replies to a post about something not being anti-religious but anti-organized religion with "ANTI RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDA!!!"
This is why you're not taken seriously. The melodrama.
"organized religion" is literally a spook made up by sociologists and atheists as a wedge to move goalposts; religion is literally always organized or else it's not a religion and just healing crystal bullshit.
>Hey, having an oppressive controlling system in the guise of religion is not good
>UH EXCUSE ME YOU HATE RELIGION!
>J-JUST NEVER ORGANISE AND SYSTEMATISE YOUR BELIEFS!!! NEVER PRACTICE ANYTHING!!! J-JUST BE PERMISSIVE NEW AGE VAGUE SHIT!! STOP BEING A RIVAL TO SECULAR POWER AND INSTITUTIONS!!!!
Lmao. Pretty sure pullman has recanted his views on this anyway and has said religion is a fundamental part of human psychology.
Explain what is wrong with organized religion and why shouldn't it be organized.
It is ALWAYS corrupted and co-opted by human hands into a system of either greed or control, or likely both.
so we should abolish the government for doing the same shit... or every institution ever
Given the government isn't (inherently) attached to spirituality and religion it's considerably easier to remain separate from its inevitable twisting and corruption. The problem with a corrupted religion is it ties people's faith to a corrupt human system, that's a deeper level of damage by far.
>it’s easier to maintain separate from the twisting and corruption
that’s cope and you cannot possibly believe that. soviet union did more damage and killed more people than every religion in history combined in what, less than one hundred years? one hundred million people? the american government has literally fricking irradiated and infected its own population with diseases on purpose for experiments. the entire economic system is based around exploitation and violence. it’s hilarious seeing atheists larp as counter corruption and drop the act as soon as it comes to daddy state. what a joke
>soviet union did more damage and killed more people than every religion in history combined in what, less than one hundred years?
Are you fricking moronic? That is not true.
Are you moronic? Tally all the deaths from religious wars in history and it doesn’t fricking come close to that number. The most death and destruction in history occurred during the last century- all for secular reasons. Your boogeyman literally doesn’t like up with reality.
Why don't you do the big tally considering you first made this claim yourself?
Lmfao name a religious war or religiously motivated mass killing that comes close to anything in the 20th century. Just one. There isn’t.
Like this guy said. The biggest one ever barely manages a tenth. I’ll be generous and add the taiping rebellion even though it was a power grab- 30 million. Let’s throw the crusades in too, which most historians estimate at 1 million deaths total for al of them together. That’s all the bloodiest religious conflicts in history and it tallies at 39 million in a period of 2 thousand years. The soviet union (state atheist btw) did double that in 50
Did I stutter? Do the tally for us or don't even bother making any claims like that if you don't feel like backing it up with any estimates.
>3 biggest religious conflicts ever by far, and the third biggest one is barely a million
>not even going to add up to what one single atheist government did in less than a century
>he thinks compounding MORE secular wars like napoleon with the diminishing returns of sub 1 million death wars is going to make his side look better
Next time just say "Nah I don't wanna"
if you don’t understand how you’re btfo based on that post it’s just stupidity. if the third most deadly religious war managed a million, and one secular government is doing double the three biggest ones in history combined in less than a century- like how do you think it’s going to look if I add the napolenic wars, gallic wars, world war 1?
Your post was about the cumulative death toll caused by religions in ALL OF HISTORY, but you're squarely focusing now on a single example of a religious was that already amounts of at least half of Stalin's death toll by some estimates.
>30 years war, biggest religious conflict in history
>8 million dead
Yeah. They don’t even manage a tenth of stalin’s numbers bro.
Stalin's caused deaths are anywhere from 3 and 20 Million, so 8 million in a single war is definitely more than a tenth of his numbers.
Separate on a personal level.
>Wow the government sucks and is full of crooks
Is a pretty standard thought process the world over.
>Wow my own religion sucks and is full of crooks
Not so much.
We shouldn't have evolved from our straw huts and simple folk religions.
But then he made Silence which was even better.
So Catholics win, you need to poke and prod these artists.
Christians SHOULD be more upset at this movie considering it's all about a self-centred Andrew Garfield allowing people to be tortured for his sake.
looks like the movie filtered this redditor
You are not a good Christian if you allow the deaths and torture of people just because you won't step on a physical representation of your God.
First off you aren’t a christian so your opinion on the matter is meaningless. Secondly maybe the nuance went over your head. The entire film was exploring the morality of the situation he was in. Do you think the director is personally approving every action depicted on screen or something? You know scorcese isn’t an atheist right?
>why doesn’t reality line up with my strawman of how people I don’t agree with should think
What? The whole film was him learning to be more christian
The film is literally, and I mean literally, about one man being given all the options to free a particular group people from human inflicted misery, and outright refusing for most of the film because he's more concerned with himself and how he perceives himself in the eyes of God. In the end he steps on Jesus anyway, and he keeps his faith hidden. Too bad a few dozen Japanese had to have their lives taken away before that.
Presumably Garfield's character isn't in heaven, right?
The author of the book and the director are catholic is all i’m saying. It’s not an anti christian message. He has a conflict of faith and learns that resigning himself is the correct thing to do. It’s interesting that people like you frame the conflict in such a sociopathic way- the priest isn’t killing anyone. He isn’t hurting anyone. The japanese guy is choosing to harm and murder people of his own volition to try and force the priest to do something. Framing andrew as the one to blame is stockholm syndrome shit.
I'm not saying it's an anti-Christian message, and I'm not saying he's killing anyone, only that the priest can ultimately stop the suffering before him but chooses not to until the very last second. It's one thing if the torture and death are being subjected to yourself, it's another when it's people who aren't you. The man LITERALLY sees himself as Christ multiple times in the movie, as a martyr. He's no martyr.
Didn't say anything about him being forgiven, only that Jesus didn't hate him.
Not a bad guy, but clearly not a good Christian.
oh ok, I totally misunderstood you. my bad
>It’s interesting that people like you frame the conflict in such a sociopathic way
Because they have no souls. They are NPCs in the literal sense.
It’s just desperately trying to turn christkino into a victory for atheism via mental gymnastics. Reminder redditors HATE scorsese more than anyone else for insulting capeshit
These movies are made by people who are obviously flustered at atheists and non-Christians
>journalist atheist women gets cancer or whatever
>professor gets hit by a car and is patronized by two ministers as he's dying
>muslim father beats the shit out of his daughter for listening to music, also not wearing her head rag
That last one is a genuine problem with islam
I'm no fan of christianity but I prefer it infinitely over islam
Islam is more preferable to American style Christianity.
Why? You prefer hordes of raping creeps over benign american christians?
I prefer suicide bombers to actual psychotics sprinting around mega churches speaking in tongues and bawling their eyes out.
Both of those are fringes within their faith. Your mainline muslim is insane and is going to groom your daughter while your mainline christian is a normal dude
>Your mainline muslim is insane and is going to groom your daughter
Proof?
Google "grooming gangs UK"
Also "sexual assault muslims france"
"Sexual assault muslims sweden"
"sexual assaukt rates middle east"
etc
>18 year old North Africa/Middle Eastern migrants
>mainline muslims
How are those not?
How are they?
They clearly are? They're just average everyday muslims and look how they behave
But how is this clear at all? All you did was bring up rapes by migrants.
There is nothing "benign" about American Christians
This. Look at the fricking transphobia
those are rookie numbers, we need to pump those up.
The chad Narnia vs the virgin Golden compass
Yeah same. I can make fun of Christians all day long, but mudslime savages are in another category entirely. Living proof of what radical beliefs lead to. I'd burn any ISIS member alive with no shame.
Kek. What kind of gay are you?
>I pretend to like this sandBlack person religion to own le libs
Nah you're just a coping larping loser, otherwise you'd be going about killing infidels instead of sucking smelly mudslime wiener online like a b***h
>I can't answers this so I'll call it a strawman
>oh you've posted a frog that invalidates evey argument sweaty
Typical christgay hypocrite
So you admit that you are a lib?
Nope, I hate both religion and leftists cancer. Shocking I know.
>literally makes up arguments
So you're saying that isn't true that non-christians go to hell?
>dying for your beliefs is killing random innocents and being a terrorist
I have utmost contempt for you, you aren't human you are filth that deserves to be executed on sight
>NOOOOO THE HECKIN INNOCENTS YOU CANT DO THAT
I thought morality was relative bro
You don't have to believe in religious bullshit to know that killing random innocents is the most despicable thing anyone could do. Now go and slit your throat with a dull knife you sandBlack person terrorist apologist.
>You don't have to believe in religious bullshit to know that killing random innocents is the most despicable thing anyone could do.
Why?
>pretending to be le edgy morons
>morality cannot exist without religion
FRICK OFF.
Inflicting pain and suffering on other human beings is bad because I actually have empathy and don't want it happening to me in turn. Religious zealots lack it therefore they are evil and must be eliminated for the sake of others. Golden Rule and Categorical Imperative is a good directive for those who actually have principles and convictions. But you already know all of that and are just trolling with your edgy bullshit. Go frick yourselves pathetic morons.
>Empathy
Empathy is only possible in a basedciety like this, where struggle for survival is minimal. The real world requires zero empathy to be able to survive.
>now he's pretending to be le based grug primitivist
Empathy is inherent trait of non-mentally ill humans, moron. You are not an animal unless you choose to be. If you want to live like a dire beast, it's your choice. I'd rather die with dignity than live without it.
I was raised in a christian environment and while i reject religion i believe in morality. My beliefs may come form a different place but they are not that entirely different from christian morality. Principles and convictions may stem from anywhere as long as they are upheld. Loyalty, honor, kindness, dignity etc all concepts that can live on their own. You might say I'm an idealist that believes in higher concepts rather than higher being.
>I’m saying the concepts of good and bad and morality are baseless incoherent shit if you are an atheist
Bullshit. Religion itself doesn't offer anything besides a carrot and a stick, at least for me. Strength of will and your convictions are what truly matters. Though I wouldn't say I'm an atheist.
it’s like you can’t comprehend what i’m saying at a basic level. did you even read my post? all these concepts you list are programmed to sound nice to you by culture and genetics. genetics which aren’t based on morality but survival which is based on gene replication which occurs for no inherent reason. so those compulsions, while nice feeling to us, don’t correspond to anything inherently moral. they are objectively meaningless and subjective
Nice try Satan, you almost had me, but not this time. Seems like some force is trying to tell me something here, don't know what.
But seriously.
I understand what you are saying perfectly. Many a time I was arguing this exact point you are making now. It's just it doesn't lead anywhere really. Yeah everything is meaningless and subjective, so what. This understanding liberates you, unless you fall into the pit of existential despair. Carve your own path with your own hands. We humans are given a great gift, so we should use it for good instead of stumbling in halls of self-degradation. Fight the absurdity of this world with fire in your heart.
>objectively meaningless and subjective
This is such a reductive statement to the conversation because you're always going to default to nihilism without divinity in the equation. The thing is that empathy is clearly important to the propagation of the human race and it holds meaning and worth objectively if that's how you want to weigh it up. You may as well make the claim that love is meaningless without religion to contextualize it. We give meaning to these things, after all we did invent religion in the pursuit of further legitimising these concepts so they must have had inherent value to begin with.
so you’re agreeing it’s all meaningless bullshit you pretend is real based on your emotions and faith lmfao
>meaningless
If you really love something or someone and get fulfilment from that then the meaning is simply in the experience itself, not for the sake of some unimaginable extraneous mumbo jumbo. I don't "pretend" to enjoy good food or music in the pursuit of making it "real". I simply enjoy it and then that's that.
I’m not saying people can’t act in a “moral “ way without religion. Atheists can be “good” people obviously and religious people can be “evil”. I’m saying the concepts of good and bad and morality are baseless incoherent shit if you are an atheist. They are subjective, made up values without a shred of objective truth behind them. You mention the categorical imperative but kant, the guy who came up with it, said himself religion will always be the place for morality because reason fundamentally cannot defend it. It’s nice if you try to live by the golden rule, it’s just that by your own beliefs the golden rule is meaningless shit. Your emotions compel you to believe in it because of genetic and cultural conditioning. That’s nice. Doesn’t make it true. You’re a monkey who has fundamental irrational social directives based around replicating genes for no reason. Those directives don’t exist for a moral reason, they exist because of natural selection. Evolution doesn’t give a frick about morality and “basic goodness” as you know it is a modern concept. Aztecs, cavemen or carthaginians wouldn’t give a frick about your basic kindness or even agree about what kindness is. That’s what people are saying with the morality and religion thing. You can be a good person by the standards of your time, but those standards mean frick all and will change.
Except why is it? As far as you’re aware life is the spastic accident of meaningless chemical processes. Our instinctual programming making us do things to cooperate has no actual truth behind it, it’s arbitrary and exists only so that genes can replicate themselves for no reason. So no, it actually isn’t bad. Nothing is inherently good or bad.
>literally makes up arguments and responses for people instead of responding to what they say
>this isn’t a strawman somehow
?
more like you seethe at christians all day impotently while crying about how chad muslims stone homosexuals like you to death lmao
>chad muslims
Go blow up yourself up for Allah sandBlack person simp or shut your mouth larping homosexual
>dying for your beliefs BAD
>being against degenerate troony west BAD
can you make it more obvious you’re some seething crossdressing degenerate fruit? lmao
I mean, the actual religion is somewhat similar to islam, the thing is, modern day christians are barely religious and don't actually follow the rules of their faith at all
Okay fair but if we're talking the current reality of the faith, then christians are clearly superior
Sounds like reality. I wonder why you’re so triggered by mortality. You need to find god young man I will pray for you to accept Christ’s love and find peace
Who is more triggered by mortality, the one who accepted it as a natural consequence of being a living being, or the one who needs to believe in an after-life where "living" never ends?
And living never really started
Living is all that is
One day you will find the truth, whether you want to or not.
And what truth is that? You seem very sure of yourself, whatever it is you believe in.
I’m afraid atheist redditors such as yourself are beyond saving
I always get these kinds of vague posts. "You will find the truth soon" and I'm trying to pinpoint exactly what truth you think you're talking about.
I have to really wonder if atheists do in fact have morals because they view the ego as God, they use Atheism as a ticket to do whatever they want. It's true though that many Christians only believe so they go to heaven or avoid hell, and some of them are evil spiritual narcissists. That's the worst type of narcissist since he is convinced God is on his side, so he is God essentially.
>they use Atheism as a ticket to do whatever they want
When have you ever experienced this personally?
From viewing Atheists on the internet, they seem completely self-serving.
>on the internet
Please go outside and talk to actual people. Shake their hands and whatnot.
No I don't need to, most (if not all) atheists I've run across on the internet was immature, smug, and narcissistic. They treat their Atheism like a religion, they feel superior to religious people and use the Bible (which they don't believe in) to prove that God doesn't exist, it doesn't make any sense.
You're living in a curated fantasy/digital world, and it's obviously warped your views.
Here you have a 12yo redditor from the atheism subreddit.
Their target audience is not that smart
When will Archangel Michael get his own film? Get on it, Christians.
Ngl I want more fantasy style religious films. Angels and arc angels battling demons, interacting with humans. None of this sappy human stories
>Angels and arc angels battling demons, interacting with humans
You see a lot of this in anime, except demons are almost always the good guys/protagonist and angels are evil or at the very least self righteous buttholes
The problem with anime is they usually, not always, are monsters rather than actual legit demons. I want Abrahamic inspired demons and angels.
Yeah, God’s pretty well dead. Nietzsche wasn’t wrong in the late 19th century and he still isn’t wrong now.
Who here has seen Christian john wick?
Doesn't brutal, vengeance-filled murder run counter to Christian ideals?
Read the bible
You clearly haven't read the old testament
>Christians are hypocritical bloodthirsty savages
What else is new. Just have to look no further than the Inquisition, witch burning, Malleus Maleficarum etc. All the good stuff.
Yeah, i think Yhwh frowns on murder, but honestly man Christianity is and has always been a religion desperately trying to avoid fading into obscurity, so consistent message? Nah remain slightly relevant with formulaic, violent film? AMEN!
The bible is pretty violent dude
same reason "woke" leftie movies are awful. Their priority isn't a high quality movie but a certain propaganda/message, which dictates every decision made in the process.
Christcucks have the critical thinking skills trained out of them on purpose and the vast majority of them have little to no self awareness otherwise they would live in a 24/7 state of embarrassment. What you get is any time a genuine christcuck tries spreading their message they just look like idiots.
The only reason these religions still exist is because every so often you get someone that figures out that their religion is a scam, but realizes that it's a useful tool for controlling and manipulating people and plays along with it for their own benefit.
>Christcucks have the critical thinking skills trained out of them on purpose
>The only reason these religions still exist is because every so often you get someone that figures out that their religion is a scam
Ironic that the guy who thinks he has superior critical thinking skills is repeating centuries old Marxist propaganda about religion. Daily reminder that the majority of Nobel Prize winners in all of the sciences have been Christian btw
Marxism/Cultural Hegelianism is a cult about 30 times worse than Christianity anyway.
You believe in magic israelites shooting lightning bolts out of their asses. Be quiet.
ironic talking about a lack of self awareness while sounding like your average mediocre midwit getting his validation from calling all le sheeps below him
Protestants make awful movies tbh
Imagine being a christcuck on Cinemaphile
The first one was peak kino
Because they're made by hacks purely as cheap pandering to evangelicals
Why are Catholic movies great and Protestant movies always trashy propaganda?
Caths have a better delineation between their capital C Church as spiritually more than the sum of its parts, whereas Prots see themselves more as just their congregation and their pastors in a narrower way. As such Caths are more comfortable with showing people in their own flock being less than perfect without taking it as personally, which leads to more dynamic and memorable characters.
It's also a cultural problem. Heavily Catholic countries (Spain, Italy, Ireland, Poland) have tended to have the weight of Catholicism put on their shoulders, especially Ireland where people up until recently would get saddled with heavy guilt through religion. This isn't a GOOD thing but it's easier to see when you're being introspective later in life. American Protestantism on the other hand, like many American things, tends to be about telling you how great and special you are without really giving you any deeper meaning....while usually putting their hand in your pocket. This is a lot harder to see through as a trick because it becomes an easy crutch and those relying on it become weak and wobbly without the constant reaffirmation. So they don't want to see or make movies about how sort of shit the religion can be. They just want happy clappy cheap things that are about how they're great and everyone else is a loser. In those heavily Catholic films, you're the loser usually. You can say that's self-pity, but the quality of the films in comparison don't lie.
Catholic movies are about life, Protestant movies are about fantasy. Boring fantasy.
>Christcucks have the critical thinking skills trained out of them on purpose and the vast majority of them have little to no self awareness otherwise they would live in a 24/7 state of embarrassment. What you get is any time a genuine christcuck tries spreading their message they just look like idiots.
>The only reason these religions still exist is because every so often you get someone that figures out that their religion is a scam, but realizes that it's a useful tool for controlling and manipulating people and plays along with it for their own benefit.
christian cinema
>passion of joan of arc
>andrei rublev
>seventh seal
>tree of life
>ten commandments
>flowers of st francis
>a man for all seasons
atheist cinema
>david brent: life on the road
>whenever rick and morty gets a film made
uh ameribros, why are all these catholic kinos?
>Ten commandments
>christian
>Andrei Rublev
>catholic
You didn’t get any replies because atheist capeshitters have never heard of these films. They probably think that dreamworks one is peak christian cinema
moronic question but why is 'muh crusades' the first thing alot of people latch onto? its basically:
>Be noblemen in Europe
>Get word the holy land is being attacked by barbarians
>"Constantinople needs your help!"
>Okay, sounds fair for god and all that.
>get into scrimish and do okay
> second scrimish is alittle longer, not getting much support but promised more for success
> third time isn't cutting it, funds down to zero
>Sorry chaps its not happening we're splitting
>Constantinople become Istanbul
>Continue numerous smaller scrimishes outside of the three crusades that added up to 100 years or so
>numerous stories crop up of 'yeah that was shit but what can you do? we where asked for aid and didn't pan out'
>Fast forward to now
>"REEEEE CHRIST KEKS EVIL FOR CRUSADES, LITTERL HORTLER"
This thread is getting a little too filled up with christcucks for my liking.
would you prefer a place like reddit where nobody with different opinions can upset you bro?
You israeliteservants are upset all the time though.
No, I'd just prefer not being talked down to by a phoneposter. God hates phoneposters.
they're not, they just trigger gaytheists so much that they can't stop kvetching like a israelite without a child to molest
lmao, mad JIDF israelite moron got ninja'd
"God is dead" was a lament.
He was mourning the end of the human soul.
They are just money laundering schemes. They need to qualify as a movie, that's it.
Archangel Michael's cute
Helltaker?
Yes
https://vimeo.com/169369684
christian movies are beautiful kino tho
Wow that music is awesome
Why is always Protestants who are the most cringe? Catholic art is Kino every goddamn time, and Protestant art is just hallmark television with a smaller budget.
Catholic art tends to be about life and emotion.
Protestant "art" tends to be lame wish fulfillment
Garfield is so concerned with his relationship with Christ he actually allows people to be slain because he thinks he'll upset Christ by stepping on a representation of him. Christ didn't even fricking hate Judas, and Garfield has his head so far up his fricking ass he thinks Jesus will care enough about stepping on his representation to save actual human lives?
>Christ didn't even fricking hate Judas
Judas wasn't forgiven and Judas had so much guilt in him that he hung himself and the area that he hung himself in was given a name after that.
yeah he’s the bad guy and not the one choosing to murder people over someone guys religion and using their lives as emotional manipulation. andrew is the bad guy here
Isnt it literally idolatry to place a human-created representation of Christ over the sanctity of your body the temple?
Idolatry has nothing at all to do with a representation of God. It has to do with how pagans worship literal stone/wood/metal figurines as if they are a god and they can actually do something for them. A visual representation of God isn't idolatry, unless the individual thinks the literal statue is God Himself, and begins to worship that statue as if it was God Himself.
Yeah, and the tablet of Christ was created by Japanese authorities to make Christians renounce their faith. It's the nonbelievers who imbued stepping on it as apostasy, why should it bother the Christians?
I don't watch movies like this, so I don't know the exact context of what is happening, just pointing out what idolatry means in regards to the Christian understanding of what it represents.
Reminds me of something I saw back when I was a sophomore at San Diego State
A Marine was taking college classes between deployments
One day our professor shocked everyone by walking into class, looking up and stating "God, if you are real, I want you to come down and knock me off this platform, I will give you 15 minutes
Our Marine classmate got up from his seat and punched him in the face knocking him off the platform and out cold.
The professor came to and was like "What the heck did you do that for?!"
Our marine classmate said something along the lines of "God was busy protecting America's military who are out protecting your right to say stupid shit like that, so he sent me to fill in."
I think his name was Albert E-something
I've never watched this movie but I love to periodically rewatch the trailer for some reason
Weirdo
They go too hard on-the-nose with the theme. The reason you don't hear about "good" christian films is because they aren't regarded as "christian films" derisively. Christian films are like Michael Bay movies: they have an audience, they cater to that audience, and are complete garbage to everyone else.
God will be entirely eliminated from the world within the next century. Feels good not being an imaginary God worshipping beta
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Not also related to this but why can't people realize that nowadays most movie, series, etc. tries to attack, divide, de-humanize humanity and act in masses against it
>yeah this movie, series, etc. threats all the things a correct human being should follow as shit also praise and support minorities and their better not degenerate way of life
>i don't know how to pass the time, so watched this great thing because it's acts contrarian towards humanity
It's fricked up
>why are these movies so awful?
when did religiousgays start swarming into this site
their first mistake was treating atheists (jews) as people with legitimate arguments
im trans btw
nice selfie