honestly admirable in the three(3!) years that you've been doing this bit, that you don't think that there has been any kind of comic discussion in that time period
imma go gym and you'll still be here whinging about things you made up in your head
when I reply with links to storytimes you're gonna dismiss it, so what's the point?
>imma go gym and you'll still be here whinging about things you made up in your head
time to deadlift, cya homosexual
11 months ago
Anonymous
Storytimes never have any discussion either you dumb frick.
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not that anon, but I can understand homosexual jannies wanting to torpedo an obvious troll thread like "comics are a failed medium". Just like you bringing it up here in an unrelated thread.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>pointing out the well known fact that comics are fricked is considered trolling
...
There was a reasonably well populated thread for the first issue.
Objection! Trannies aren't dykes. Well not the ones in the issue.
>desperately avoiding the point
I accept your concession. Cinemaphile is fricked.
Storytime the issue, and I think it would get some traction. Otherwise why the frick are you even here?
I honestly have no idea where in the hell this Kendra came form. She seems like she just sort of appeared in JLA about a year or two ago and has no real history, and is definitely not connected to the 99-2003 Kendra at all.
What is her deal anyway? And why are the wings all metal?
To be fair, continuity isn't exactly hawkman's strong suit.
>Storytime the issue, and I think it would get some traction.
I have storytimed things before, and they've gotten archived before I could even finish. Zero replies. Nobody gives a shit.
>Otherwise why the frick are you even here?
I want to talk about comics and cartoons, but the mods keep banning me whenever I make a thread. Literally not allowed to have a real discussion.
>Storytime the issue, and I think it would get some traction.
I have storytimed things before, and they've gotten archived before I could even finish. Zero replies. Nobody gives a shit.
>Otherwise why the frick are you even here?
I want to talk about comics and cartoons, but the mods keep banning me whenever I make a thread. Literally not allowed to have a real discussion.
>I want to talk about comics and cartoons, but the mods keep banning me whenever I make a thread. Literally not allowed to have a real discussion
LOL. The mods can barely keep the board clear of BBC/horse spam, and thinly veiled pol threads. I can't imagine what you're throwing up that gets swatted down every time.
I honestly have no idea where in the hell this Kendra came form. She seems like she just sort of appeared in JLA about a year or two ago and has no real history, and is definitely not connected to the 99-2003 Kendra at all.
What is her deal anyway? And why are the wings all metal?
She came from Scott Snyder's Dark Nights event and he basically did just create this Kendra as a way to tease readers with the idea that he can bring this ideal Post-crisis continuity back to the fans.
She looks like she is some part of the 2012 Savage Hawkman run, but absolutely no part of DC has ever acknowledged that as happening anywhere ever again. And This books seems to be pretending the 2019 Hawkman book never happened either.
This looks like a very late Post Rebirth era >Shut the frick up and don't think about it
kind of deal here where we are never meant to know just what the frick continuity this character came from. Which sort of seems like a bad call for a Hawk character, but apparently DC wants to keep tripling and quadrupling down on that
I don't remember Vendetti's run referencing Savage, the whole Thanagar situation was just too different from everything that came before it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well basically there was a Hawkwoman in Savage Hawkman and that's whose body shiera/shayara is in.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Blackest Night, or at least Kendra's death is canon
Hawkworld isn't canon to the post Rebirth canon, the New 52 iteration of Thanagar is, the Shayera we've been seeing is the one from New 52, but with red hair.
11 months ago
Anonymous
so fit
11 months ago
Anonymous
>lesbian >trans
So, a straight guy
11 months ago
Anonymous
...with epically bad fashion sense.
That's basically incest.
Which is 100 percent in tune with ancient egyptians.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The problem there is that it pretty much throws away all the decades of development Thanagar ever got, for what amounts to about three pages at the beginning of Savage Hawkman. That's not great.
Hawkworld is gone, Rann Thanagar War, Holy War, Strange Adventures, L.E.G.I.O.N. Thanagar is gone. (Weirdly 2005-2009 saw the most development ever since Hawkworld) what we got is interesting, but it's not really much to go by. Post Rebirth Thanagar was winning a war against the Dominators, Czarneans, and Daemonites, they had natural wings. Dominators sent an engineered plague to remove the wings. hey discovered Nth Metal makes for a good substitution. Except Katar stole the world's supply of it and ran to Earth.
I did notice current Kendra's armor seems to work on the Savage Hawkman model. More like a gold metal Marvel symbiote that bonds to the wearer and forms into armor and weapons. Although Vendetti Hawkman didn't have that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Symbiote Nth Metal is a lot better than early 00s Johns era Nth Metal that just had...any power the story needed in that issue. Everything from surviving in space, fast healing, downloading memories, attacking ghosts, storing souls inside it, being magic, being anti magic, hurting gods, mind controlling people.....it was a fricking mess.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Thanagar runs into the problem of half the writers don't give a shit about it to outright hating it. That's sort of the problem with Hawkman fans are divided into Carter and Katar camps. One group always seems to want to bury the other and everything they had.
So when a Carter Camp writer gets in board they think a planet full of bird men is stupid and see no issue with dropping it or ruining it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Carter fans claim a planet full of guys exactly like Hawkman ruins the whole thing and kills all capacity to be unique.
Katar fans like the whole DC version of Klingons warrior aliens, and think another guy from ancient Egypt is boring since loads of heroes are connected to Egypt and it's unoriginal.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Who can actually explain the Venditto Hawkman ending
I actually agree with you, I wish they just sidestepped Savage Hawkman all together, but whatever.
I think it is more of an issue that Brightest Day resolved the whole issue of a confusing third Hawkgirl hanging around. and then Snyder fricked it all up by adding her right back again for some weird reason. Also....adding more inconsistency to the Hawk origin even more as if that was ever needed or wanted.
I'm assuming he just wanted a Hawkgirl in his cartoon nostalgia JLA run, landed on Kendra because she had a solo run around the time of the cartoon, or just for diversity points and went with it. Either way I do not think he ever gave a single thought to it being a confusing mess and just wanted her there no matter what.
Snyder's first mistake was invalidating the Egypt origin. Frankenstwon looking ass motherfricker
I think it is more of an issue that Brightest Day resolved the whole issue of a confusing third Hawkgirl hanging around. and then Snyder fricked it all up by adding her right back again for some weird reason. Also....adding more inconsistency to the Hawk origin even more as if that was ever needed or wanted.
I'm assuming he just wanted a Hawkgirl in his cartoon nostalgia JLA run, landed on Kendra because she had a solo run around the time of the cartoon, or just for diversity points and went with it. Either way I do not think he ever gave a single thought to it being a confusing mess and just wanted her there no matter what.
Venditti said they shared notes at the time of his run
I'm still waiting for pic related.
Ain't gonna lie, I'd kinda prefer for him to be the Silver Scarab or something
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Venditti said they shared notes at the time of his run
I wonder what Snyder's notes look like at the time?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>IGNORE VENDITTI
11 months ago
Anonymous
Snyder's notes are, as always, merely this:
BIGGER
BIGGER
BIGGER
repeat for 100 pages.
When you get HawkMartianBaby as a note I assime you realize that Synder is just fricking with you and you stop paying attention to him.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>HawkMartianBaby
Got absorbed by J'onn and basically got unbirthed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Snyder's notes are, as always, merely this:
BIGGER
BIGGER
BIGGER
repeat for 100 pages.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Hawkworld isn't canon to the post Rebirth canon, the New 52 iteration of Thanagar is
They remember both, so they're both canon.
[...]
This writer doesn’t even know her backstory. It’s just your every day identity(who am I) storyline despite being around for years
This writer seems to have done research in regards to Kendras characterisation. Did you ever actually read JSA/Hawkman? I'm not even being sparky, but there have been some deep cut references to the mismanagement of Kendra's character in the past 2 issues
Nah, just give a Shayera Hawkwoman run where she goes Dredd and Hershey up criminals while she is working as a detective.
Also feed a bit on DCAU shenanigans where she is teaming up with John Stewart
Never understood why Snyder used Kendra on his JL nostalgiawank rosyer only to then bring back Shayera and then have the wrong Hawkgirl get with the wrong John. To be honest, I struggle to see how that run had any lasting impact...
Sort of but the Green Arrow banter was a thing in the 1980s when Hawkman was a cop assigned to Earth.
Now Hawkman is a Doc Savage style adventuring nerd
The Venditti run made a passing remark about Ollie, but I think the Smallville iteration of their rivalry worked quite well
Is hawkman very conservative in the comics?
I could have sworn I saw something saying that when he and Green arrow were getting into a fight over politics
Generally, yes. There's a LOT of hawkman so he varies quite a bit, but usually he's a cross between conan the barbarian and a space cop. And Thangaria is kind of a facist police state. .
>Writer wants to make Kendra a dyke >DC editorial says no >Surrounds her with nothing but dyke OCs instead >Barely writes Kendra in her own run
Nevermind how this guy got hired but why hasn't the editor asked where the frick Kendra is.
At this point, just about any notable female character found in comics or cartoons, but especially comics for some reason, is going to be gay. It seems the not gay characters are much more rare these days.
Honestly, Kendra's current situation is hilarious. She's supposed to be the reincarnation of Hawkman's lover but Carter would rather have Thanagarian pussy instead.
Nah, just give a Shayera Hawkwoman run where she goes Dredd and Hershey up criminals while she is working as a detective.
Also feed a bit on DCAU shenanigans where she is teaming up with John Stewart
As far as I'm aware, they never interacted that much in Rebirth but this latest series suggests Carter broke up with her and it was very messy. Now she's depressed or something.
As far as I'm aware, they never interacted that much in Rebirth but this latest series suggests Carter broke up with her and it was very messy. Now she's depressed or something.
This writer doesn’t even know her backstory. It’s just your every day identity(who am I) storyline despite being around for years
As far as I'm aware, they never interacted that much in Rebirth but this latest series suggests Carter broke up with her and it was very messy. Now she's depressed or something.
What is going on with Carter and if he is actually Thanagarian or just vaguely Thanagarian has been up in the air and up to interpretation for a long damn time now. Rann/Thanagar war back in 06 came right off the JSA and Johns solo run that established Carter as having always been Carter and not related to Katar whatsoever, as possibly being Thanagarian, enough to fool the Thanagarians when he infiltrated their world.
Savage Hawkman just totally rewrote all things Thanagar from the ground up. And Katar was the only guy in all the universe that had or cold use Nth metal. And that shit ended abruptly.
Snyder's JLA established Thanagarians living in the Oa sector now on an artificial planet after Thanagar was blown up way back in Infinite Crisis, retconning Savage Hawkman and having the (was supposed to be dead?) Thanagarian Shayera as their leader.
Vendetti's run made all of that shit into past lives, even happening simultaneously (He was like 8 different people on both sides of a war in space at the same time) then had him hook back up with original 40s Shayera, got them their 40s era Carter and Shayera bodies back and the series ended.
Current Kendra appeared out of fricking nowhere in Dark Multiverse because Snyder wanted to make a team of the 2002 Timm JLA. So she was just someone in the blackhawks who just happened to be named Kendra from another Earth that joined with the JLA and moved over to Prime Earth and has been there ever since.
So is she a different person from reincarnated Shayera/Kendra and 2011 Earth-2 Kendra, or some kind of weird mix of the two?
1999 Kendra was killed in Blackest Night, and the white lantern revived original Shayera....then nothing about this version was ever mentioned again since it was dropped and forgotten in Savage Hawkman a year later, and not referenced in Rebirth.
So we as readers are supposed to assume current Hawkgirl is Kendra, who was the Shayera in the 2019 Vendetti run, who was that angel from before history that reincarnated with Carter all these years, and now they are broken up off panel somewhere.
No explanation is given as to why 2019 Shayera is now 2014 Kendra despite both existing at the same time in JLA a few years back. They just are and you are supposed to not question it.
No explanation is given as to why 2019 Shayera is now 2014 Kendra despite both existing at the same time in JLA a few years back. They just are and you are supposed to not question it.
>So we as readers are supposed to assume current Hawkgirl is Kendra, who was the Shayera in the 2019 Vendetti run, who was that angel from before history that reincarnated with Carter all these years, and now they are broken up off panel somewhere.
Hawkwoman (Shayera) and Hawkgirl (Kendra) are two separate reincarnations currently existing at the same time. Shayera is with Carter and Kendra is in her own series.
I think the part where it all falls apart is Brightest Day transforming Kendra into Shayera. And then all of a sudden Kendra is existing again somewhere else.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Brightest Day was pre-Rebirth reboot. After that Kendra was alive on Earth-2, but then died. Shayera was a Thanagarian living on New Thanagar in sector 0. Kendra was someone from a destroyed Earth that traveled to Earth Prime with the JLA in Dark Multiverse. Now they are supposed to be two incarnations of the same person.
But Carter has in current continuity never had shit to do with this Kendra, so talk of a breakup is pure nonsense. He is currently living with Shayera who was remade into her 1940s human incarnation. And is currently not appearing in any books anywhere.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Inst DCAU Shayera also her 40's human incarnation too as a thanagarian?
11 months ago
Anonymous
DCAU is impossible to tell since it only ever follows what is popular in comics in the moment. Most of the time when you see a Hawk appear in any new media it's a distilled down easy to grasp version of Thanagarian from Ancient Egypt, reincarnated as a human now who got their old stuff back.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>After that Kendra was alive on Earth-2
Earth-2 is irrelevant here, you might as well bring up Earth-50, these are just alternate versions.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Earth-2 is annoying because in it's short life it really set the stage for those characters forever after.
Kendra just happened to have an ambiguous Latina mother with no nationality or origin mentioned, but was a red haired pale girl. Earth-2 Kendra was a darker than the ace of spades Mexican girl. Like Alan Scott is now gay and never had a supervillain wife or kids from a different supervillain. Jay was mostly lightning powers and could control electricity each time he used his speed. Steppenwolf was the giant, axe-wielding kryptonian lite.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay.
I didn't read it.
In fact, I actively ignored it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay.
I didn't read it.
In fact, I actively ignored it.
No one liked it, Earth-2 was bad and most people hated it and hated the changes. Most of all they hated how JSA was retconned out for it. And it's very weird how all the changes it made in the three years it existed, stuck around for all future media. No one knows why Snyder basically picked that to be the main vehicle for his DCEU franchise. Or why WB decided to maintain the Kendra, Fate, and Alan from it and make those the film/tv canon versions. Why Snyder Barry has Earth-2 Jay's powers. Or why WB wants to push Val-Zod Superman so badly.
11 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
No one liked it, Earth-2 was bad and most people hated it and hated the changes. Most of all they hated how JSA was retconned out for it. And it's very weird how all the changes it made in the three years it existed, stuck around for all future media. No one knows why Snyder basically picked that to be the main vehicle for his DCEU franchise. Or why WB decided to maintain the Kendra, Fate, and Alan from it and make those the film/tv canon versions. Why Snyder Barry has Earth-2 Jay's powers. Or why WB wants to push Val-Zod Superman so badly.
Carter is probably going to be black real soon in comics since that is the direction all tv and film want to take it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, so I looked at Hawkgirl #2 and Shayera shows up as one of her past life spirits or whatever which would imply that she's dead again.
But I suppose what
Brightest Day was pre-Rebirth reboot. After that Kendra was alive on Earth-2, but then died. Shayera was a Thanagarian living on New Thanagar in sector 0. Kendra was someone from a destroyed Earth that traveled to Earth Prime with the JLA in Dark Multiverse. Now they are supposed to be two incarnations of the same person.
But Carter has in current continuity never had shit to do with this Kendra, so talk of a breakup is pure nonsense. He is currently living with Shayera who was remade into her 1940s human incarnation. And is currently not appearing in any books anywhere.
said would account for discrepancies since she's the 1940s version now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's looking like this book took some of the ideas from Vendetti's run but is not following up on the ending.
Carter and Kendra are both angels who rebelled against the Presence, have been reincarnating ever since. This Hawkgirl book wants to act like that was never resolved and Kendra is just the latest reincarnation all over again since apparently that did not stop, and she had a thing with Hawkman off panel at some point but we do not know which one. Or it is acting like Blackest Night never happened and she was never killed back then.
Everything Snyder has done and this book following up on seems to be the latter. He is trying to maintain that 2006 era continuity where Shayera was an alien living in space, and Kendra is a human living on Earth, both never really meet or have much to do with each other. Since he also retconned Koriand'r killing Shay Ara back in 07.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And then Hawkman exists somewhere?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Pretty much, he is just sort of...alive somewhere but not an active part of anything happening on Earth Prime at the moment.
He is about as alive as Kyle Rayner is alive somewhere but no one has seen him or done anything with or to him in about 5ish years now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Carter and Kendra are both angels who rebelled against the Presence, have been reincarnating ever since. This Hawkgirl book wants to act like that was never resolved and Kendra is just the latest reincarnation all over again since apparently that did not stop
That stopped VERY recently, Kendra is still a reincarnation, but she's not going to suddenly disappear, she's still going to keep living, she just won't reincarnate again when she dies.
>So we as readers are supposed to assume current Hawkgirl is Kendra, who was the Shayera in the 2019 Vendetti run
No, Kendra and Shayera have been separated since Snyder's JL, they're still technically reincarnations from the same origin, but different people.
That's why Shayera is with Carter, while Kendra does her own thing.
I think it is more of an issue that Brightest Day resolved the whole issue of a confusing third Hawkgirl hanging around. and then Snyder fricked it all up by adding her right back again for some weird reason. Also....adding more inconsistency to the Hawk origin even more as if that was ever needed or wanted.
I'm assuming he just wanted a Hawkgirl in his cartoon nostalgia JLA run, landed on Kendra because she had a solo run around the time of the cartoon, or just for diversity points and went with it. Either way I do not think he ever gave a single thought to it being a confusing mess and just wanted her there no matter what.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Brightest Day resolved the whole issue of a confusing third Hawkgirl hanging around
Brightest Day was undone with Flashpoint, but then they just brought back Kendra and Shayera, they existed, separated, and that's it, I don't think there's anything wrong with having a Hawkwoman and a Hawkgirl.
How about Carter x Shayera xKendra
It achieves queer representation without alienating the large population of straight males.
Why don't more companies do this?
I don't mind Hawkman having his breasts out, but the crop top is practically a part of her character now. Also, Carter wasn't beefy enough in Venditti's run.
He definitely did not look iconic for a comic at all in that run. More like a normal guy with a very normal looking mace. Despite it functioning like mjolnir in that series. It was kind of what a cosplay or tv character wold look like in a Hawkman suit.
Hitch's art wasn't bad but there was something lacking that I can't explain. >It was kind of what a cosplay or tv character wold look like in a Hawkman suit.
This might have been it.
Who can actually explain the Venditto Hawkman ending
I actually agree with you, I wish they just sidestepped Savage Hawkman all together, but whatever.
[...]
Snyder's first mistake was invalidating the Egypt origin. Frankenstwon looking ass motherfricker
[...]
Venditti said they shared notes at the time of his run
[...]
Ain't gonna lie, I'd kinda prefer for him to be the Silver Scarab or something
>Who can actually explain the Venditto Hawkman ending
All his past lives are sacrificed so that Carter and Shayera live as the Golden Age Hawks and live for many years?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>This might have been it.
I mean, that's Hitch's shtick right? I mean he had a metal heet in Black Adam, and the suit up was definitely inspired by the run
Because the first issue sucked
This. Also why is she black
Because Kendra was always black, you fricking casual. This is why gatekeeping is necessary. Frick off.
She wasn't always black but if you're complaining about the fact that she looks then she was during post-crisis then maybe don't?
stupid Black person
At most, she's Afro-Latina, problem is, im assuming these idiots are assuming it's Shayera
Still hot tho
Without question
It sucks
holy fricking hell scihomosexual
touch grass
>twitter screencaps are okay
>live action shit is okay
>video games are okay
>comic books? BANNED
You literally cannot defend this.
honestly admirable in the three(3!) years that you've been doing this bit, that you don't think that there has been any kind of comic discussion in that time period
imma go gym and you'll still be here whinging about things you made up in your head
>desperately avoiding the point
I accept your concession. Cinemaphile is fricked.
>imma go gym and you'll still be here whinging about things you made up in your head
>STILL desperately avoiding the point
when I reply with links to storytimes you're gonna dismiss it, so what's the point?
time to deadlift, cya homosexual
Storytimes never have any discussion either you dumb frick.
Not that anon, but I can understand homosexual jannies wanting to torpedo an obvious troll thread like "comics are a failed medium". Just like you bringing it up here in an unrelated thread.
>pointing out the well known fact that comics are fricked is considered trolling
...
Dykes, Dykes, Dykes, Dykes
Dykes everywhere
No thanks
There was a reasonably well populated thread for the first issue.
Objection! Trannies aren't dykes. Well not the ones in the issue.
Storytime the issue, and I think it would get some traction. Otherwise why the frick are you even here?
To be fair, continuity isn't exactly hawkman's strong suit.
Maybe egyptian to yanks? Which counts as black.
>Storytime the issue, and I think it would get some traction.
I have storytimed things before, and they've gotten archived before I could even finish. Zero replies. Nobody gives a shit.
>Otherwise why the frick are you even here?
I want to talk about comics and cartoons, but the mods keep banning me whenever I make a thread. Literally not allowed to have a real discussion.
Storytimes suck now because they can't bump their own threads.
This is a skill issue.
>I want to talk about comics and cartoons, but the mods keep banning me whenever I make a thread. Literally not allowed to have a real discussion
LOL. The mods can barely keep the board clear of BBC/horse spam, and thinly veiled pol threads. I can't imagine what you're throwing up that gets swatted down every time.
The only Hawkgirl I'm interested in is the skinsuit artist.
I honestly have no idea where in the hell this Kendra came form. She seems like she just sort of appeared in JLA about a year or two ago and has no real history, and is definitely not connected to the 99-2003 Kendra at all.
What is her deal anyway? And why are the wings all metal?
She came from Scott Snyder's Dark Nights event and he basically did just create this Kendra as a way to tease readers with the idea that he can bring this ideal Post-crisis continuity back to the fans.
So is she a different person from reincarnated Shayera/Kendra and 2011 Earth-2 Kendra, or some kind of weird mix of the two?
Yes.
She looks like she is some part of the 2012 Savage Hawkman run, but absolutely no part of DC has ever acknowledged that as happening anywhere ever again. And This books seems to be pretending the 2019 Hawkman book never happened either.
This looks like a very late Post Rebirth era
>Shut the frick up and don't think about it
kind of deal here where we are never meant to know just what the frick continuity this character came from. Which sort of seems like a bad call for a Hawk character, but apparently DC wants to keep tripling and quadrupling down on that
Actually I think both Snyder's justice league and Venditti's Hawkman made savage Hawkman canon.
I don't remember Vendetti's run referencing Savage, the whole Thanagar situation was just too different from everything that came before it.
Well basically there was a Hawkwoman in Savage Hawkman and that's whose body shiera/shayara is in.
Blackest Night, or at least Kendra's death is canon
Hawkworld isn't canon to the post Rebirth canon, the New 52 iteration of Thanagar is, the Shayera we've been seeing is the one from New 52, but with red hair.
so fit
>lesbian
>trans
So, a straight guy
...with epically bad fashion sense.
Which is 100 percent in tune with ancient egyptians.
The problem there is that it pretty much throws away all the decades of development Thanagar ever got, for what amounts to about three pages at the beginning of Savage Hawkman. That's not great.
Hawkworld is gone, Rann Thanagar War, Holy War, Strange Adventures, L.E.G.I.O.N. Thanagar is gone. (Weirdly 2005-2009 saw the most development ever since Hawkworld) what we got is interesting, but it's not really much to go by. Post Rebirth Thanagar was winning a war against the Dominators, Czarneans, and Daemonites, they had natural wings. Dominators sent an engineered plague to remove the wings. hey discovered Nth Metal makes for a good substitution. Except Katar stole the world's supply of it and ran to Earth.
I did notice current Kendra's armor seems to work on the Savage Hawkman model. More like a gold metal Marvel symbiote that bonds to the wearer and forms into armor and weapons. Although Vendetti Hawkman didn't have that.
Symbiote Nth Metal is a lot better than early 00s Johns era Nth Metal that just had...any power the story needed in that issue. Everything from surviving in space, fast healing, downloading memories, attacking ghosts, storing souls inside it, being magic, being anti magic, hurting gods, mind controlling people.....it was a fricking mess.
Thanagar runs into the problem of half the writers don't give a shit about it to outright hating it. That's sort of the problem with Hawkman fans are divided into Carter and Katar camps. One group always seems to want to bury the other and everything they had.
So when a Carter Camp writer gets in board they think a planet full of bird men is stupid and see no issue with dropping it or ruining it.
Carter fans claim a planet full of guys exactly like Hawkman ruins the whole thing and kills all capacity to be unique.
Katar fans like the whole DC version of Klingons warrior aliens, and think another guy from ancient Egypt is boring since loads of heroes are connected to Egypt and it's unoriginal.
Who can actually explain the Venditto Hawkman ending
I actually agree with you, I wish they just sidestepped Savage Hawkman all together, but whatever.
Snyder's first mistake was invalidating the Egypt origin. Frankenstwon looking ass motherfricker
Venditti said they shared notes at the time of his run
Ain't gonna lie, I'd kinda prefer for him to be the Silver Scarab or something
>Venditti said they shared notes at the time of his run
I wonder what Snyder's notes look like at the time?
>IGNORE VENDITTI
When you get HawkMartianBaby as a note I assime you realize that Synder is just fricking with you and you stop paying attention to him.
>HawkMartianBaby
Got absorbed by J'onn and basically got unbirthed.
Snyder's notes are, as always, merely this:
BIGGER
BIGGER
BIGGER
repeat for 100 pages.
>Hawkworld isn't canon to the post Rebirth canon, the New 52 iteration of Thanagar is
They remember both, so they're both canon.
She's the same Kendra from Pre-Flashpoint, New 52 Earth-2 is a different universe, irrelevant to this.
Did you read the 1st issue
This writer seems to have done research in regards to Kendras characterisation. Did you ever actually read JSA/Hawkman? I'm not even being sparky, but there have been some deep cut references to the mismanagement of Kendra's character in the past 2 issues
Never understood why Snyder used Kendra on his JL nostalgiawank rosyer only to then bring back Shayera and then have the wrong Hawkgirl get with the wrong John. To be honest, I struggle to see how that run had any lasting impact...
The Venditti run made a passing remark about Ollie, but I think the Smallville iteration of their rivalry worked quite well
Because Scott Snyder like his "bro" at pedowood, are both hacks
Is this Hawkgirl black or tanned?
Is hawkman very conservative in the comics?
I could have sworn I saw something saying that when he and Green arrow were getting into a fight over politics
Generally, yes. There's a LOT of hawkman so he varies quite a bit, but usually he's a cross between conan the barbarian and a space cop. And Thangaria is kind of a facist police state. .
Sort of but the Green Arrow banter was a thing in the 1980s when Hawkman was a cop assigned to Earth.
Now Hawkman is a Doc Savage style adventuring nerd
Cringe
She's a latinx from South America
the first issue was storytimed, and it was mercilessly shit on for being shit.
Really? All I remember is so many people unable to cope with the fact that a queer was in the book for two pages.
I just recall nothing of note actually happening at all, and Kendra was MOTU Buff brick shithouse in a couple panels.
And I guess she has the 2019 era Carter retractable wings thing going on too?
>Writer wants to make Kendra a dyke
>DC editorial says no
>Surrounds her with nothing but dyke OCs instead
>Barely writes Kendra in her own run
Nevermind how this guy got hired but why hasn't the editor asked where the frick Kendra is.
It's the big two. Nobody cares. They all see the writing on the wall, so there's no point in trying anymore.
At this point, just about any notable female character found in comics or cartoons, but especially comics for some reason, is going to be gay. It seems the not gay characters are much more rare these days.
Honestly, Kendra's current situation is hilarious. She's supposed to be the reincarnation of Hawkman's lover but Carter would rather have Thanagarian pussy instead.
Ans Shayera is alive and well
Femcel Kendra
Nah, just give a Shayera Hawkwoman run where she goes Dredd and Hershey up criminals while she is working as a detective.
Also feed a bit on DCAU shenanigans where she is teaming up with John Stewart
Shayera is currently with Carter though.
I thought she ditched him back in 2009 or so?
As far as I'm aware, they never interacted that much in Rebirth but this latest series suggests Carter broke up with her and it was very messy. Now she's depressed or something.
that is because Shayera is Alive and stronger than kendra is, also the fact that she is now married with Carter.
This writer doesn’t even know her backstory. It’s just your every day identity(who am I) storyline despite being around for years
What is going on with Carter and if he is actually Thanagarian or just vaguely Thanagarian has been up in the air and up to interpretation for a long damn time now. Rann/Thanagar war back in 06 came right off the JSA and Johns solo run that established Carter as having always been Carter and not related to Katar whatsoever, as possibly being Thanagarian, enough to fool the Thanagarians when he infiltrated their world.
Savage Hawkman just totally rewrote all things Thanagar from the ground up. And Katar was the only guy in all the universe that had or cold use Nth metal. And that shit ended abruptly.
Snyder's JLA established Thanagarians living in the Oa sector now on an artificial planet after Thanagar was blown up way back in Infinite Crisis, retconning Savage Hawkman and having the (was supposed to be dead?) Thanagarian Shayera as their leader.
Vendetti's run made all of that shit into past lives, even happening simultaneously (He was like 8 different people on both sides of a war in space at the same time) then had him hook back up with original 40s Shayera, got them their 40s era Carter and Shayera bodies back and the series ended.
Current Kendra appeared out of fricking nowhere in Dark Multiverse because Snyder wanted to make a team of the 2002 Timm JLA. So she was just someone in the blackhawks who just happened to be named Kendra from another Earth that joined with the JLA and moved over to Prime Earth and has been there ever since.
1999 Kendra was killed in Blackest Night, and the white lantern revived original Shayera....then nothing about this version was ever mentioned again since it was dropped and forgotten in Savage Hawkman a year later, and not referenced in Rebirth.
So we as readers are supposed to assume current Hawkgirl is Kendra, who was the Shayera in the 2019 Vendetti run, who was that angel from before history that reincarnated with Carter all these years, and now they are broken up off panel somewhere.
No explanation is given as to why 2019 Shayera is now 2014 Kendra despite both existing at the same time in JLA a few years back. They just are and you are supposed to not question it.
>So we as readers are supposed to assume current Hawkgirl is Kendra, who was the Shayera in the 2019 Vendetti run, who was that angel from before history that reincarnated with Carter all these years, and now they are broken up off panel somewhere.
Hawkwoman (Shayera) and Hawkgirl (Kendra) are two separate reincarnations currently existing at the same time. Shayera is with Carter and Kendra is in her own series.
I think the part where it all falls apart is Brightest Day transforming Kendra into Shayera. And then all of a sudden Kendra is existing again somewhere else.
Brightest Day was pre-Rebirth reboot. After that Kendra was alive on Earth-2, but then died. Shayera was a Thanagarian living on New Thanagar in sector 0. Kendra was someone from a destroyed Earth that traveled to Earth Prime with the JLA in Dark Multiverse. Now they are supposed to be two incarnations of the same person.
But Carter has in current continuity never had shit to do with this Kendra, so talk of a breakup is pure nonsense. He is currently living with Shayera who was remade into her 1940s human incarnation. And is currently not appearing in any books anywhere.
Inst DCAU Shayera also her 40's human incarnation too as a thanagarian?
DCAU is impossible to tell since it only ever follows what is popular in comics in the moment. Most of the time when you see a Hawk appear in any new media it's a distilled down easy to grasp version of Thanagarian from Ancient Egypt, reincarnated as a human now who got their old stuff back.
>After that Kendra was alive on Earth-2
Earth-2 is irrelevant here, you might as well bring up Earth-50, these are just alternate versions.
Earth-2 is annoying because in it's short life it really set the stage for those characters forever after.
Kendra just happened to have an ambiguous Latina mother with no nationality or origin mentioned, but was a red haired pale girl. Earth-2 Kendra was a darker than the ace of spades Mexican girl. Like Alan Scott is now gay and never had a supervillain wife or kids from a different supervillain. Jay was mostly lightning powers and could control electricity each time he used his speed. Steppenwolf was the giant, axe-wielding kryptonian lite.
Okay.
I didn't read it.
In fact, I actively ignored it.
No one liked it, Earth-2 was bad and most people hated it and hated the changes. Most of all they hated how JSA was retconned out for it. And it's very weird how all the changes it made in the three years it existed, stuck around for all future media. No one knows why Snyder basically picked that to be the main vehicle for his DCEU franchise. Or why WB decided to maintain the Kendra, Fate, and Alan from it and make those the film/tv canon versions. Why Snyder Barry has Earth-2 Jay's powers. Or why WB wants to push Val-Zod Superman so badly.
Carter is probably going to be black real soon in comics since that is the direction all tv and film want to take it.
Okay, so I looked at Hawkgirl #2 and Shayera shows up as one of her past life spirits or whatever which would imply that she's dead again.
But I suppose what
said would account for discrepancies since she's the 1940s version now.
It's looking like this book took some of the ideas from Vendetti's run but is not following up on the ending.
Carter and Kendra are both angels who rebelled against the Presence, have been reincarnating ever since. This Hawkgirl book wants to act like that was never resolved and Kendra is just the latest reincarnation all over again since apparently that did not stop, and she had a thing with Hawkman off panel at some point but we do not know which one. Or it is acting like Blackest Night never happened and she was never killed back then.
Everything Snyder has done and this book following up on seems to be the latter. He is trying to maintain that 2006 era continuity where Shayera was an alien living in space, and Kendra is a human living on Earth, both never really meet or have much to do with each other. Since he also retconned Koriand'r killing Shay Ara back in 07.
And then Hawkman exists somewhere?
Pretty much, he is just sort of...alive somewhere but not an active part of anything happening on Earth Prime at the moment.
He is about as alive as Kyle Rayner is alive somewhere but no one has seen him or done anything with or to him in about 5ish years now.
>Carter and Kendra are both angels who rebelled against the Presence, have been reincarnating ever since. This Hawkgirl book wants to act like that was never resolved and Kendra is just the latest reincarnation all over again since apparently that did not stop
That stopped VERY recently, Kendra is still a reincarnation, but she's not going to suddenly disappear, she's still going to keep living, she just won't reincarnate again when she dies.
>So we as readers are supposed to assume current Hawkgirl is Kendra, who was the Shayera in the 2019 Vendetti run
No, Kendra and Shayera have been separated since Snyder's JL, they're still technically reincarnations from the same origin, but different people.
That's why Shayera is with Carter, while Kendra does her own thing.
I think it is more of an issue that Brightest Day resolved the whole issue of a confusing third Hawkgirl hanging around. and then Snyder fricked it all up by adding her right back again for some weird reason. Also....adding more inconsistency to the Hawk origin even more as if that was ever needed or wanted.
I'm assuming he just wanted a Hawkgirl in his cartoon nostalgia JLA run, landed on Kendra because she had a solo run around the time of the cartoon, or just for diversity points and went with it. Either way I do not think he ever gave a single thought to it being a confusing mess and just wanted her there no matter what.
>Brightest Day resolved the whole issue of a confusing third Hawkgirl hanging around
Brightest Day was undone with Flashpoint, but then they just brought back Kendra and Shayera, they existed, separated, and that's it, I don't think there's anything wrong with having a Hawkwoman and a Hawkgirl.
>1999 Kendra was killed in Blackest Night, and the white lantern revived original Shayera....then nothing about this version was ever mentioned again
why is she so flat?
the two hot chicks don't make the plot more interesting.
So what's there to talk about, I literally have no idea what the deal here is.
Reminder that Jim lee is literally sabotaging all of DC out of pure spite at Didio
The unique time that I care for her, it was by this fanfic https://m.fanfiction.net/s/11326197/1/
How about Carter x Shayera xKendra
It achieves queer representation without alienating the large population of straight males.
Why don't more companies do this?
That's basically incest.
Shouldn't have put a weird space lesbian in the first issue and the story itself didn't have much of a hook
>a weird space lesbian
a weird TRANS space lesbian
>2 morons arguing
>janny deletes the post that provides context
Oh my god you're all homosexuals please KYS
It really isn't that hard to understand, come on guys.
I'm still waiting for pic related.
Is that 80s Golden Eagle?
His name is Hektor Hol.
So it's Silver Scarab, with Charlie Parker's wings, Timmverse Hawkgirl's mace, and Birdman's mask.
>no hawkwoman midriff
Unacceptable.
As long as Hawkman has his breasts out, I'm fine.
I don't mind Hawkman having his breasts out, but the crop top is practically a part of her character now. Also, Carter wasn't beefy enough in Venditti's run.
He definitely did not look iconic for a comic at all in that run. More like a normal guy with a very normal looking mace. Despite it functioning like mjolnir in that series. It was kind of what a cosplay or tv character wold look like in a Hawkman suit.
Hitch's art wasn't bad but there was something lacking that I can't explain.
>It was kind of what a cosplay or tv character wold look like in a Hawkman suit.
This might have been it.
>Who can actually explain the Venditto Hawkman ending
All his past lives are sacrificed so that Carter and Shayera live as the Golden Age Hawks and live for many years?
>This might have been it.
I mean, that's Hitch's shtick right? I mean he had a metal heet in Black Adam, and the suit up was definitely inspired by the run
Hawkman only started to get drawn 'big' in 00's, but I agree with you. Here's what Hitch Had to say:
I like it when he has pupils, I'm sure it looks silly to other people though.
It's absolutely not silly, but Rags Morales drew the masks best
Artist draws a sexy Carter too
Kinda looks like Wolverine
I feel like this story not being finished is what is delaying Superboys' release. 🙁
After reading that Christmas special I'm assuming The Changeling was going to be about this character creating an imaginary son for them.
Remember when Jeff Lemire was gonna do a Hawkman book? This Question book was probably recycled from the proposed Hawkman pitch
You guys are gonna be the reason this goes from miniseries to ongoing. Dang you.
Because Hawkwoman sucks ass.
>Kendra eating Galaxy's ass
You got to admit that's pretty sexy.