Why do they try to humanize them it's pointless and sometimes leads to a story were the villain is completely right and the hero is just a douchebag following the status quo
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It’s usually more interesting since it gives you more to think about. That being said, not all stories benefit from a more humanized villain, sometimes you just need a bad guy who’s just bad.
>not all stories benefit from a more humanized villain, sometimes you just need a bad guy who’s just bad.
That's the thing though too, it is totally human to just be evil...tons of very evil people exist simply because they are sociopaths
The most famous firefly story is in Knightfall where they make it clear he became the way he is because of a sad childhood he suffered in an orphanage and that he's burning down places that remind him of his past
>sometimes you just need a bad guy who’s just bad.
Not Cinemaphile but this is one of the reasons I adore this series
All the bad guys are self serving buttholes
>It’s usually more interesting since it gives you more to think about
But it follows the same pattern.
>Villain has a point.
>Hero questions.
>Villain has a turn and goes too far.
>Hero stops them.
>Hero preserves the status quo but might do one milquetoast, moderate thing to change things.
I honestly think these villains are only popular because they make stupid people feel clever because half the time the villain doesn't really connect with the plot, the conflict feels contrived and they are always forced to go too far.
You would think when someone decides to make a bright orange costume and start calling themselves the Killer Flame or something weird like that, then they are not really giving much of a shit for making a point, or a dramatic origin. It's a guy that just likes being an butthole because he can get away with it.
This is why a lot of Spidey villains work, a lot of them are low class thugs and purse snatchers that got powers one day. So they became costumes thugs and purse snatchers because they only have the ambition to kick over cars and steal shit. It works for them.
>Captain Hooks first appearance in the film
>BLAST THAT PETER PAN
>murders a man because his ginging was bothering him
>smokes two cigars at once
That's the gold standard for villainy in my book. Nobody ever accused Captian James Hook of being boring.
Didn't they make a lot of stuff in recent years to try an humanize him some? Like that Hook movie from 2013ish, or Once Upon a time.
Firefly in the comics is just batshit insane or at least when Chuck Dixon rebooted him that how he was, animated series kinda the same and The Batman he just kinda a thug, I don't know if Batgirl take be any good.
At some point letting bad guys be bad became "poor writing"
Because then the villain has to stand entirely on their portrayal and whatever spectacle they bring to the table.
You can have interesting villains with backstories without making them being right/good
X-Men movies did a good job of their Magneto this way, you could understand why he developed his point of view, but they still made sure you knew he was entirely cut throat and not good
That's different then what op is talking about though. At that point it's entirely up to your interpretation of what "humanizing" is. Really I don't think it has anything to do with anything and instead we should just want well written villains in general.
This. Blame all the "villain makes more sense than hero=God tier :D" posters.
People take the "best villains are the ones you agree with" thing too literal.
They forgot this only really works for the mastermind plotting types like Doom or Luthor. Not nearly as much for guys like Sandman or Zoom. They are just dicks.
nothing is worse than
>villain is completely right but in a way that goes against the current status quo of society in some way
>randomly out of nowhere does something irredeemable for no reason other than to solidify that they're the bad guy who must be stopped
If they are white and have followers. They are irredeemable and trump.
anon pls, I just want to go 10 posts in a row without this shit popping up.
This true though. You can't escape American politics in American media. There are people who try to make it their mission. And what I said was relevant to the thread . You can have an evil villian if he had that qualities
Isn't Firefly insane?
One version of Firefly is a pyromaniac. Just like Heatwave.
All fireflies are pyromamiacs
No, not till Knightfall.
Everyone in Gotham is.
>Be firefly
>Twoface tells you to watch adventure time. Firefly confused because it's a kid's show.
>Watch an episode see flame princess, immediately ship.
>Rebecca Sugar leaves, ship immediately sink
>Get so pissed off Firefly burns down Gotham
>Why can't supervillains just be bad anymore
>make villain with a motivation of "i hate people"
>everyone hates them for shallow characterization
people will never be happy
stop complaining about something about people having different tastes, you will live longer
there will be periods when what is currently popular is not what you personally like, but it wont be long before trends change
stop being a baby who throws a tantrum when society doesnt conform to your personal preferences
People liked black manta even without backstory.
Which villain would be able to spin the best sob story to gain sympathy from a reporter?
Mr. Freeze
Black Manta if he plays up his Tism and race card.
>Mr. Freeze
Too easy.
Didn't they cure his autism or was that retconned?
>Manta accuses Arthur of being racist
>proof being: Atlantis doesn't have enough people of color, nor laws to combat gender prejudice in the job market, nor anti-racist measures
>Atlantis also doesn't recognize the vast influence blacks had in its birth
>Arthur is supremely unable to dispove Manta's claims
>huge social movement to defend Atlantis "black identity", Arthur is called an underwater white supremacist, scientists discover that achtually Atlantis had black kangz, etc
>Arthur is forced to adjust accordingly after a rather uncomfortable conversation with the rest of the League
>as soon as he is named "Atlantis Racial Ambassador", Manta immediatly attempts to kill Aquaman using a nuclear doomsday device hidden within a giant underwater statue of Martin Luther King
>if Arthur destroys the statue to retrieve the bomb, he proves Manta right and becomes the official enemy of the left
>if Arthur doesn't, Atlantis fricking blows up
This plan is flawless. There's absolutely nothing Aquaman can do.
>Weaponized Autism yet again proven to be the most powerful force in the universe
This sounds absolutely vile, black manta would definitely pull the social movement card to accomplish his plans, any other villains that do this And no real life examples please because I know people will will try to be a jackass with that question
Oh and I found a flaw in in black manta’s plan that aquaman and the league would foil Prior to this the league suspects he’s up to something and send someone (most likely Batman) to spy in him. As black manta is gloating is flawless plan to aquaman he’s being recorded by batman as proof that his social movement was fabricated to destroy Atlantis, his plan is foiled and a moral is show that “all men of different skin tones are equal to one another and that any form of racial supremacy black or white isn’t good regardless”
I could see this actually happening if such a bizarre scenario happened, you’ve got the moral and everything
>"I'm also half-Cherokee, Manta, so your race card won't work on me. Checkmate"
Norman Osborn, not because he is sympathetic but because he has a lifestory of charming idiots like that.
Freeze, for instance, is too emotionally stunted to make a good convincing case for himself. So are most other genuinely pitiful villains.
And someone otherwise persuasive like Luthor, let's say, is too arrogant to portray himself as a victim. At best he'd puff about Superman. But Norman can if he needs to.
Maybe you should just watch Power Rangers instead
Too many writers want their villain to be their own Magneto.
Even the actual Magneto shouldn't have ever become that character.
I didnt know Joker is not dipshit?
Not any more. He is now society man and the symbol of incel struggle against a system working against them.
Just read VillainVerse if you want Villains who are nothing but evil
I like the humanized villains
Because being bad is bad and that's not good
This kind of shit is how we got refugee Skrulls who are just looking for a home. And Penguin was just made fun of in school.