I missed that part, was there any explanation for why they had to fly F-18s other than giving the 'Mericans an artificial disadvantage?
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Why couldn't they use the F-35s?
They bypassed the compressors on the F-18s
They couldn't fly low enough or something.
Because we live in a real country that has top secret tech and is number 1 in the world. I know you come from some shithole that has never created anything cutting edge that could give your enemies the advantage if exposed.
What's the point in having advanced tech if you're afraid to use it?
they use them all the time, they just don't film the wienerpit and send the bluray to china
yeah but what about a tank MMO
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/classified-military-documents-leaked-by-war-thunder-players-for-the-third-time/1100-6504128/
>posted treason to correct what are publicly communicated as placeholder values
fricking kek
gotta respect the love of the game, hopefully he only spends 5 years in a chinese gulag
China hacked the specs years ago.
>Because we live in a real country that has top secret tech and is number 1 in the world
I honestly do not believe this anymore with how the government is run. I don't think black budget shit is safe from diversity either
I'd be pretty worried about what China can come up with
Why did it crash in the Chinese sea? Tomcat would've never do that
Plenty of F-14's ditched in the sea
Name 10
1
All of the top-secret advanced tech belongs to the ~~*global elites*~~ and ~~*they*~~ are NOT loyal to America nor any other country.
Cause F-18s look way cooler than the dorky ass F-35s
This.
You can't film close ups on classified tech. And F18 is literally the plane they retired f14s for.
Possibly there are no double seat f35s too. There are a lot of 2 seat f18s.
That's what I heard. No double seats=they can't have Cruise sit in the plane and look like he's flying it.
>Possibly there are no double seat f35s too
This is literally it. Someone once linked to a making of video here and they flat out said this was the reason
The f18 was a thing for 20 years before the f14 was retired
They are upgradable for decades. They modular shells so the current upgrades have made them completely different than 1990.
Because that how the was script was written.
murrifats luv their mullatry!
the funny thing is all the idiots enlisting will never be pilots considering it's one of the hardest programs to get into
and of course, being an officer
Jokes on you, already in flight school
>tfw too stupid to be pilot
i joined the army instead
My 24 year old friend just became a 2nd Lieutenant in the Air Force after graduating college. Is it really that difficult?
Difficult, yes, but not impossible. It's incredibly (the training) intense with strict cutoffs. It's just since it's a highly sought after job, they can be picky on who gets in.
I saw the original Top Gun at a young age and it left a lasting impression on me. I had my heart set on being an aviator but later learned I wouldn't be able to because of medical conditions, like not having 20/20 vision.
To be fair you can't blame them when recruiters get into trouble if they don't recruit enough people. Their careers depend on whatever arbitrary number of people per year their superiors tell them to get.
Yeah but what's the theater's excuse for letting them set up a table inside their building?
Not like navy sees combat :') cushy jobs program
Why wouldn't they?
Money??? They do this all the time at events. There's nothing underhanded about it. It's not like they're tricking you into signing up and going to die next week, you tard.
name one thing wrong with this that goes beyond
>war is...le bad!
>t. Shabos goy
>Jingo Fett
what does Star Wars have to do with it?
homosexual groomers stationed in the movie theaters at "Literally Every Movie: 2000's" showings. The jingoistic romanticizing of homosexuals, trannies, pedophilia and Black folk is just a groomer recruitment video disguised as a movie.
NOW THIS IS HORSESHIT
>I heard they can get education and career advancement for free!
>They even get better home and auto loans, pensions, health care
>All the shit I'm reeeeee'ing about
>So of course I hate giving people this opportunity because I'm too broke dick to do it.
Are you talking about the navy or Europe?
>government handouts are communism!
>except when you carry a gun while doing it, then it's tight
I don't agree with this people either.
But it's fun to point out how the left cannot stand the military despite it being most poor people's way out of poverty.
>die for us goy
>we'll gove you an arts degree!
You have to be braindead to die in the military in 2005+17
>#Bernie2024
>Doesn't remember that TG'86 increased Navy recruitment 300%
Republican shills triggered like the buttflustered babbys they are. Will jannies delete to save you homosexuals from getting pwnd even more.
Dont bither responding. It makes u look more mad and I wont read it anyways
mad
U reely got so mad u @ a umad post?
steaming
>stupid uneducated opinion
>u r fricking moronic
>lol I TOLL U
seethe more you trannies
Im seething super hard right now that Republicans love a gay scientologist. You got me!
Lol kys Black person
don't care, I liked the movie
I feel like if I had better eye sight I could have been a dope pilot.
If you're still young, you could still apply as a drone pilot.
lel
This site is almost all thirdies from china, indian or arab shitholes
All the americans left after trump lost. There is some suburban white trash left and former ***** like me from america
But thats it beyond sp.
Misc is 95-99% thirdies or brown shits now.
Here we go again!
Thats rich, considering this malformed mother fricker can't comprehend movies being used as anything other than propaganda
>Go in the theater
>Enjoy utter Cruise/Planekino
>leave
>Don't notice the Navy guys wanting me to join to bomb foreigners for minorities and for defense contracts and continue on my merry way
In the movie they said we had given away all the F-35s to Ukraine
But the ghost of keev would only need one to defeat the entire Russian airforce. Why would we give all of them away?
it's faster to switch planes than to rearm and refuel
do you even uptimemaxx
Tom insisted on doing his own flying and he was stronger with the F-18 avionics. Everything in that movie is real. He made Jennifer Connelly shave her ass every day, even though she never appeared nude
Kek
Jet design died with F22. All the new stealth stuff look ass. Except the russians. They are not too bad.
F35 is a flying garbage can that
>Is slower than the F18
>Cant fly as long as the F18
>Has less bombload than the F18
>Can't climb faster than the F18
>Looks like shit unlike the F18
It barely outturns an F18 and is built for le stealth meme at the cost of 3 F18s. Any piece of media glorifying it is nothing but pure cope propaganda and will ring hollow.
Flying fast is a meme, it’s more important to be maneuverable. And stealth is everything. We still have super hornets to do other jobs
Iran can reliably track and down stealth UAVs and that was under Obama's presidency. Stealth is a meme that won't last long. Just having the radar cross signature of a small flock of birds doesn't mean shit when the telltale sign of you being a jet is that flocks of birds don't cruise at 300mph
All you do is track shit going 800 miles per hour. Like a bird doing that. Stealth is a meme
>Flying fast is a meme,
>retired in 1999
soon™
And the world went to shit in 2001. Coincidence? I think not.
MiG-25 bros....
Why are these new jets the same top speed or slower than the F-14/15/16/18? Was speed sacrificed for stealth?
Because old = good and new = bad. That's why the Spitfire is still the Goat to this day.
The F4 Phantom back in the 60's was incredibly fast and still is for this day and age but reaching those speeds requires a massive ammount of fuel being put into the afterburners. More fuel = bigger plane and bigger plane = worse maneuverability. It's all about trade off and pilots are rarely put into situations where they need to break mach2 but need to turn all the time
F4 phantom is the most beautiful truck that couldnt turn that ever took flight
It turned quite well actually. It was more maneuverable than MiG-21 and could turn fight with 17s when flown by any competent pilot.
The German luftwaffe, after receiving MiG-29s still deemed the F-4 as the better fighter
It turned well at low speed but the ammount of deflection needed on the ailerons at high speed put to great of stress in thr airframe since it was such a thicc boi. When going fast trying to turn was more of a suggestion from the wienerpit than an input from the pilot. Hence why it needed leading edge slats just to somehow disrupt more of the airflow without putting so much stress on the lone ailerons that they'd just tear off. When it was going slow it did just fine at turning since it could use more ailerons and flap and the stresses weren't that bad. MIG21s were just better at high speed maneuver.
Makes sense, thanks anon.
It's because those high speeds were actually never, ever used in combat.
Those values you see as top speed on Wikipedia are clean configurations with no weapons and fuel tanks.
>Why are these new jets the same top speed or slower than the F-14/15/16/18?
Next gen fighters have supercruise. They can go Mach 1 without afterburner. Their top speed is slower but their time in the air and range is superior.
4th gen was all about short bursts of speed to get somewhere, then they'd have minutes to engage, splash a target, and run back before they ran out of fuel. Current gen is all about BVR and time in the air.
It's F/A-18, Black person.
Its actually F/AA-18 since it's a fighter/attack aircraft and I'm a pedantic homosexual
Lockheed Martin disagrees with you but okay, pedantic homosexual.
>Lockheed Martin
It's made by McDonnell Douglas. You even could have said Boeing or Northrop and been halfway right. Yous a moron mang
>AA
no such thing, attack aircraft are classified as A-
Is slower than the F18 = incorrect
Cant fly as long as the F18 = HA it can fly longer than an f18 with 2 bags all on internal fuel
Has less bombload than the F18 = ur retarted
Can't climb faster than the F18 = I forget maybe, but who fricking cares
F18 tops at mach 1.8 and F35 at 1.6. Also the F18 does 1.2km/l while the single engine of the F35 has to do .8km/l to keep it in the air. As for bombloads they're really close with both around 18,000lbs but nobody is going to Max an F35 because using hardpoints ruins the precious stealth.
They couldn't even figure out how to get oxygen in the wienerpit working on the F35 until 10 years after they started producing them. Theres no reason to defend another one of procurement's blunders. It's a waste if money and will waste people's lives (not counting the ones already crashed)
You are completely fricking moronic. Don't talk about shit you know nothing about.
>F35 isn't bad because.... it just isn't okay!
The absolute state of Lockheed trannies
it might have been a good craft if they didn't require vtol, that shit completely butchered entire design process
it's slower and couldn't do the bomb strike they need unless it was higher up, he says it in about 5 seconds when he shows up at top gun talking to the 2 admirals
Enemy had GPS scramblers that fricked with the targeting system of the F-35 (like it did with the SU-57's targeting later on in the film).
How do you morons miss where they literally say in the movie why they don't use it?
idk I was busy posting on instagram saying I was seeing a movie
I know it was said but I missed it. They mentioned it for like 2 seconds and I was busy taking a sip from my drink. That's why I'm asking you morons.
They babbled something about GPS not working which doesn't make sense. A stealth plane would've made all the planning unnecessary since they could just fly high above and carpet bomb it.
The entire mission was bullshit. They meticulously mapped out where the SAM sites were but....couldn't hit them with tomahawks? Those things don't need GPS for hitting a ground targets.
Plus how was that underground
bunker built in the middle of a caldera?
The F35 looks like trash inside. It's a touch monitor running on Windows NT .
top gun is about dogfighting and f-35s aren't dogfighters
>f-35 cant dogfight
>f-35 cant bomb
NATO bros, did Lockheed Martin scam us?
dogfighting is obsolete
99% of air engagements in the past 30 years have taken place within 10nm and all pilots do in training is guns BFM.
It's the entire reason why Top Gun still exists and why Red Flag happens every year, ect.
yes, the ability to missile someone from miles away has made dogfights an obsolete meme. glad you agree.
You are literally moronic.
No you are literally moronic.
This is a missile from 20 years ago.
>aim9x
it's short range, moron and would be used in BFM range
35km range.
>35km range
what the frick are you dreaming?
are you mixing aim120s with sidewanders?
even amrams have only 10 mile realistic kill range at 20k feet
aim9x is at best 5 mile missile assuming target is moving full speed at you
There were no air gun kills in decades and modern missiles can literally hit targets behind you and pull 300G maneuvers.
Yeah, because the alternatives were any better. Here's your Gripen bro!
You do know dogfighting hasn't existed for almost 40 years, right? Fighters nowadays exist just to carry a missile halfway to its destination, launch it miles away and turn back to the carrier.
F/A-18 is a multirole fighter though, so is the F-35, neither is an air superiority fighter. Pure air combat fighter would have been the F-22 Raptor, ie the sexiest plane in the sky.
>Pure air combat fighter would have been the F-22 Raptor, ie the sexiest plane in the sky.
that's not the Su57
Phillips head screws
Real planes not prototypes
Raptor's not a seabird sadly.
What country were they bombing? Was it left intentionally ambiguous?
Iran, and yes they didn't mention the enemy in the first movie either.
>iran
so this is pro israel propaganda huh...
If it was propaganda they would have name dropped Iran, they didn't. You just understand that it is because the enemy in the film has both the SU-57 (also not named) and old F-14D's, and the only country to still run those today is Iran.
Didn't they flat out say Iran in the first debriefing?
They said URANIUM enrichment, but I heard Iranian enrichment at first. Just got back from the theater, surprised how much I enjoyed it
Tom is incapable of making a bad movie.
You didn't see The Mummy
Tom is incapable of making a bad movie.
yes it was mentioned that the rogue state is in fact posing a threat to an allied nation in the region
which meant that Israel ordered the preemptive strike to cripple another nation, if it doesn't work it's just a few dead Americans
"The Enemy"
It's clearly Iran from a story perspective (who cares if Russia builds another uranium refinement facility?) but the terrain is more like Russia (Snowy forests and mountains)
I headcannon that it's some Russian-aligned state that Russia wants to make nukes to do bad things without Russia being held accountable, but it's not really explained in the movie because it's not really what it's about
there's clear red and yellow markings on the enemy jets so to me it was a way to make it China while still being able to screen the movie there
tbf the area around Tehran is quite mountainous maybe somewhere around there. come to think of it iran is full of mountains could be anywhere
Enemykistan
Because F-35's are fat, ugly and boring. Plus the Navy would not let anyone near them especially for a movie.
Why didnt they just use drones to bomb that shit from a very high altitude?
because then they wouldn't have all those cool action scenes, dumbass
GPS weapons wouldn't work in a GPS jamming environment
real reason is there's no two seat f35s
that and they're ugly
I think that the F-35 was just a stopgap until fully unmanned aircraft are developed and deployed.
next gen jets are going to be manned as well, and they wont come out for 20 years
We'll see about that. Only the defense contractors will seethe because they saw how much they could scam from the fed with the F-35.
theyre in R&D for like 5 years now, theyll be manned
why no modern vtol jets avionics people of tv
too many sacrifices just to have the vtol meme
Which countries even build their own jets? The US, China, Russia, France, the UK, Sweden and India?
>Trusting Chinese, English, or Indian jets
Whew. Does Brazil ? They own Embraer..surely they have military variants
> Let me tell you something that might be a bit dangerous. I was raised in the US. I was schooled in flight arts. I was given the title of master. They take a movie “Top Gun.” They have a 5-foot-2-inch little guy, whether he was straight or gay, I don’t know. I don’t care. He had never been to the Ukraine. He doesn’t speak the Ukrainian. He has never held a joystick. They make him the Top Gun. We got 450,000 phone calls [laughs]from everybody in the world saying, “That role was perfect for you. How did that happen?” Most of the people I know didn’t like the film and didn’t go see it. It’s just a classic example of Hollywood and the politics.
Who said this?
Steven Seagal
I hate myself for being such a goy but i’m going to see this again. I loved it bros
Checked and based
Checked and enjoyment pilled
cant let stuff leak out
The f 35 being shit is such a lemon brain meme. It’s fricking stealth how can you not see the value
I can't see it because it's stealth, moron.
It's just old good new bad idiots. You see this with literally everything. Same people were shitting on Abrams or F-16 only to worship them 20 years later.
Blame moronic reformers like Sprey filling public airwaves with interviews and stories with endless hearsay about how new bad old good. Thankfully they are a dying breed but they've done immeasurable damage to the public conversation on anything related to military aircraft with the most batshit takes to justify their moronic careers.
unironically all maverick had to do was open the wings on his f14 and fly slow and the Su57 would've lost him in the canyon because it literally could not fly as slow as the f14.
but most of these are pretty dumb nitpicks considering they would never be within 10miles of each other and their missiles/the SaMs would have been much more effective.
And how do you propose he evades the missiles
he wouldn't have
miniaturized Iron Dome mounted on the plane
What do you think about this movie's soundtrack compared to the original? I thought it was alright though surprisingly the score was what stood out to me rather than the boomer music which was still decent. Did anyone catch which songs they played on the jukebox in the bar? I should've paid more attention but the dialogue is like lightning quick in that scene.
>What do you think about this movie's soundtrack compared to the original?
6/10 compared to 10/10 on the first. Not terrible but the lack or Mighty Wings along with others really fricked it. Also lady gaga? Really?
Reminder that last air to air gun kill was in 1991 and it was against a heli. Dogfights are completely dead.
An F18 super hornet a variation on the F18 is superior to an F22
The F-18, just how good is it really?
jesus, pilot must've broken some bones on that one, they were what, 100 ft off the deck before ejecting?
Looked like the fall was fully arrested by the time he touched down.
I wonder what it's like to eject, can't be fun.
>shit, I just destroyed something worth more than me and my family will make in several lifetimes, I hope I don't land in trees
ive no idea what anyone is saying in this thread but damn that movie was good
the f-35 is a flying stealthy router. it’s ability to passively detect arial targets from long distances and securely communicate this to the rest of the pack is a huge deal.
all of the pilots at red flag/training events always say the same, the f-35 is a paradigm shift in air warfare. there are some very good arguments about whether the B model should have ever been built, but in general it is a remarkable aircraft.
it’s unironically living it up everything lockheed promised. it took way longer than expected but it will be the defacto and standard for 5th for years to come.
it has also set up the e-century series jets which sound fricking based from everything we know so far.
The only goat in the Navy Arsenal was the A-6 Intruder.
Movie should have been a flight of A-6s backed up by an EA-6… no stealth required when you can just blind the radars instead.
How realistic is the dogfighting in Top Gun? Are those flashy air show moves practical in combat? In fact, is such close dogfighting relevant these days?
Air to air, some planes don't even have cannons anymore.
which ones?
all fighters in every air force have some form of a gun
they learned their mistake in Vietnam
>How realistic is the dogfighting in Top Gun? Are those flashy air show moves practical in combat?
no, if someone got behind their back they would be dead
more realistic would be nose to nose fight as they constantly turn to each other or them chasing each others tail like a dog
but that doesn't make for a good filmmaking for the later part and former would be way too dangerous to film
>How realistic is the dogfighting in Top Gun?
Realistic in that it's possible, but nobody does it anymore.
Dogfighting is mostly dead. Even in the mvoie they point out that all the top gun graduates of present day have never shot an an enemy down before.
Shooting down 5 planes to be an Ace used to be a career milestone. Nowadays you'll be lucky if you even see 5 enemies in your entire career.
say FRICK to china
Me finally watching Top Gun: Maverick this Wednesday is my way of saying "FRICK YOU!" to China.
homie clean up your HUD design
post the video of the A-10 doing a dogfight with an F-16 and absolutely shitting all over it
Because the exit maneuver was going to bend the air frame of the hornets so it would have been impossible for an F35 fatblurter.
Because the navy wouldnt allow it...
For all you "its propanda!"
Its a 40 year old jet
The actual pilots were low level navy guys
Running a training course
For new pilots
Thats just terrible if you think its propanda
The equipment- the pilots - the course they ran and filmed in the movie. Its all training stuff
40 years old...
What kind of shitty propaganda is that?
Its that fricking old and antiquated.
These "its propaganda" threads by thirdies are hilarious.
No one in america who has seen the real stuff fly at air shows is impressed. They just filmed it in a cool way with cool actors. Its not that impressive.
Lol you thirdies lol goddamn.
We are that far ahead of everyone especially china .
Spacing. I know it pisses you subhumans off. Scurry back to red*it or your klaus swaub daily mail forums
>Its a 40 year old jet
>introduction 1999
they are not flying legacy hornets, they are flying superhornets, legacy hornets no longer exist
I cant tell if your are esl or just want a semantics argument
But sure its a 45 year old airframe that was refined into prpduction 39 years that was upgraded 26 years ago.
Better? Does that work for you?
Any fricking ways
Its an old ass plane
>But sure its a 45 year old airframe
the airframe is all new, it's 20% larger than legacy hornet
if you are gonna pipe up at least know what the frick you are talking about
Now you are just being autistic to win an argument
>actually its 26 years- 7 months- 24 days - 5 hours - 37 minutes - 7 seconds older
Dont reply to me.
eat shit and die Black person
Actuallyits called feces and you can survive 37 days - 4 hours - 3 minutes - 69 seconds on it
Acyually
The F-15 shits all over the F/A-18. The only reason we even saw F/A-18s is cause Maverick is a navy pilot.
Even as far as 4th gen fighters go, the Hornet in all it's iterations is mid-tier at best.
no one is arguing that
Would a pilot be allowed to fly again within a matter of days if they have to eject from a crashing plane? Phoenix and Bob lost their plane in an accident they had no control over, but would they really be allowed to go on the mission like a week later?
I think it's heavily dependent on the circumstances of the ejection.
Yes, as long as you clear medical, you're right back in the seat. Not to mention there probably would've been pressure to get them cleared ASAP.
After watching a bunch of Operations Room videos recently I never knew just how hard the US airforce/navy has been dabbing on everyone the past 50 years. Like holy shit engagements where the enemy is outnumbering them 5 to 1 and they're near instantly BTFO. Feels good man.
The real life reason is because using the F-18 would be easier since they could ride in the back of the two seater version and make it seem like they're piloting the one seater version. That and the F-35 is more costly to fly per flight hour than the F-18
The in universe reason is that they made it the frick up.
Did you know that when filming they didn't even use real T-65Bs and instead used rough approximations of wienerpits using cardboard and dental floss?
No I didn't know that anon, thanks for sharing.