Why did he hate Anakin so much?

Why did he hate Anakin so much?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    N

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        needs more roicism

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        DARK GREETINGS

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You would to if you had to endure that whiney homosexual reciting some sperg's bad interpretation of Shakespear.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because he was wise enough to see that giving Jed training to an angry young ex-slave would be massively dangerous.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This

      https://i.imgur.com/sCSEyQB.jpg

      Why did he hate Anakin so much?

      I mean they have ("obscured", iffy) future sight. He probably partly knew Anakin was a school shooter

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Because he was wise enough to see that giving Jed training to an angry young ex-slave would be massively dangerous.
      The writing of this would have been much more clear if they didn't start training Anakin as a child. He should have been much older, the character would have been less annoying in Phantom Menace too.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        in that meeting they already said hes too old

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Idiot

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He didn’t. Yoda hated Anakin.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Could Anakin beat Mace in a straight up duel?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Mace, Yoda, and maybe Plo Koon were the only ones who may have bested Anakin. But since Anakin beat Dooku, he probably would have beat Plo and Mace.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        obi wan killed him

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          killed who?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            him

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              and who is him?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The villain from Powerpuff Girls. Obi-wan just straight murders him.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          there's more to fighting than baseline ability tho

          like the best [insert 1v1 competitive activity here] player in the world doesn't win every game forever, he just wins more often, but other very good players can take him in a best of 1.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          killed who?

          obi-wan killed anakin
          he mutilated and striped him of all his humanity
          he did him a fate worse than death even
          you can say that anakin was already vader before but I think he died right there
          you have a face and personality that makes you: you
          despite all your corruptions you are that person
          darth vader isn't anakin, he's a frankenstein cobbled together out of a broken body and hate filled, addled mind who hardly remembers what it once was

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            but he gives luke that kiss in rotj. He is dad forever and noone can take that away even if he loves padmay.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              he was a good friend

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >darth vader isn't anakin
            I get what you're trying to say but no

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Obi-Wan's style of choice hard countered Anakin's, who was also fighting very sloppy due to fuming rage. There were plenty of moments where Obi-Wan could have ended the duel far earlier by punishing sloppy mistakes but he didn't want to kill Anakin right up until it was a life or death moment where he had no choice.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            absolute brainlet moron take, im sure you're really liking the obi wan series right now on disney +
            anakins style was literally created by the people who used soresu and thought it was dogshit, it uses soresu as its base, he lost because his fall to the dark side was too recent and it unbalanced his mind and made him make foolish mistakes he would not have made otherwise

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Obi Wan trained Anakin and knew him better than anyone else.
          Anakin was also a raging sperg high on his power during the duel against the best defense light saber duelist alive at the time.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >No Obi-Wan
        kek, still seething about the literal best sword to sword duelist out there, you burnt marshmallow?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Theoretical duels. Obi-wan beat him, there's nothing there to theorize.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Episode 3 Obi Wan was the best defensive swordsman around but his force use was too weak to keep him from getting jobbed by anyone with a similar skill level plus elite force powers.

          Obi Wan could defend with his Form III against anyone all day until they said frick it and force pushed him into oncoming traffic or a moving train or some shit. Then he woukd be done.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >No Obi-Wan
            kek, still seething about the literal best sword to sword duelist out there, you burnt marshmallow?

            Theoretical duels. Obi-wan beat him, there's nothing there to theorize.

            The novel makes it clear that while Obi Wan is the undisputed master of his defensive based style of dueling, Anakin's raw power was greater than that of his own, and the only reason Obi Wan lasted as long as he did on Mustafar is because he has the specific advantage of knowing everything about Anakin's style considering he taught it to him. Him knowing his every move plus his mastery experience kept in the fight for a long time, but what ultimately lost the fight for Anakin was his arrogance and pride, which is not unexpected for a villain type character in general.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Why is plo koon so strong?
        Him and Kip Fisto were my favorite Jedi
        Didn’t know he was strong. Also why was his lightsaber yellow?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Mace, Yoda, and maybe Plo Koon were the only ones who may have bested Anakin. But since Anakin beat Dooku, he probably would have beat Plo and Mace.

      I think it's close. Mace was clearly afraid of Anakin's rising power. A couple years later no one would beat Anakin. Also Obi Wan was an S tier swordsman but his force abilities were lacking.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      At the time of ROTS? Not a chance.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Who knows? Anakin only lost against Obi-Wan because he let his emotions get the better of him.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        bullshit, obiwan is out right better. he stopped general grievous, Anakin and darthmaul. Obi Is clearly the man.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Anakin had more raw power but Obi Wan could read his opponent and assess the fight better.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It also helps that obi wan knew anakins fighting style better than anyone considering he trained him.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      hmm good question it would be close but if anakin got to full power mace would been rekted

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      not in episode 3, and certainly not within the confines of the vader suit
      mace was the fiercest swordsman of all the jedi, and he managed to best palpatine until anakin's dumb ass chopped his hands off in the galaxy's ultimate b***h move

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >and certainly not within the confines of the vader suit
        He was always more powerful over time, in the EU and current canon.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          more powerful in the force, sure, but the suit literally restricted his range of motion
          shit, luke nearly killed him when he briefly lost control in the throne room, I can't imagine how he'd deal with a drawn-out onslaught of a similar nature given mace's style of fighting

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >He thinks Mace actually beat Palpatine

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          He did, per Lucas. It never felt like McDiarmid was playing the scene that way though. But it's a shit scene in general aside from the shots of McDiarmid going total ham.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Lucas can say whatever he wants, but the way the scene is directed and acted shows plain as day Palpatine is feigning weakness to get Anakin's sympathy. Despite being "too weak" the moment Mace's guard is down Palps effectively one-shots him with lighting, screaming POWER at the top of his lungs, and casually stands up afterwards like he didn't even break a sweat.

            I will not be gaslit by George Lucas. He also forgot Owen was supposed to have "not agreed" with Anakin's ideals and "thought he shouldn't have gotten involved" and instead had the two exchange a total of one line of dialogue in the whole prequels.

            And shit I like the prequels and George is clearly needed for SW to work... But he isn't perfect.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >And shit I like the prequels and George is clearly needed for SW to work... But he isn't perfect.
              Of course not. I for one think the prequels are garbage. I'm just telling you what the fella said. I don't find it believable either.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >the moment is guard is down Palps one shots him with lightning
              By "guard is down" you mean when Mace literally got his fricking hand chopped off? Of course he could finish him off then, his lightning was entirely ineffective before that though.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                He wasn't even wounded by the first deflect, as evidenced by "too weak" becoming "POWER!".

                Palpatine let himself get disarmed the moment Anakin walked in, he put on a show for Anakin to get him on his side, and then once Mace got his hand chopped off, Palpatine killed him without a second thought, and stood up as if he wasn't even winded.

                You'd have to be a smoothbrain to watch that scene and think "Mace actually won" without George claiming he did.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Lucas can say whatever he wants, but the way the scene is directed and acted
              Lucas directed and told them gow to act that scene.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                So he contradicted his own directions?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Palpatine is feigning weakness

              True. But that was only after being disarmed for real by Mace.

              Think of it like this. Who is more powerful, Mike Tyson or Putin? It depends but overall its Putin.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >and casually stands up afterwards like he didn't even break a sweat
              That's not what happens though. You can see he's pretty tired afterwards. Satisfied and relieved, but tired, like when he makes that stupid noise after throwing window out the Windu.
              There's also the fact that Windu successfully deflected his Force lightning and permanently disfigured him, something that Palpatine was probably pretty pissed about and certainly didn't plan. A lot of his charm was based on his smile and grandfatherly appearance.
              I think it's fair to say that while Sidious never completely lost control of the duel's eventual outcome, he was still surprised and a little spooked by Mace's strength.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Its bullshit but george said he did. Apparently Palpatines decades long plan was all but foiled until Anakin fricks it all up. Makes palps look like a moron tbh.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I think the idea is that it emphasizes that Anakin's choice dooms the Republic. It gives more stakes to Anakin's decision. It also makes Mace Windu look cool (or would if the fight wasn't atrocious), which is probably as big a reason as any.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I'll stick to my head canon that Palpatine pretended to lose as a final push to get Anakin to turn to the dark side.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >one thousand years plan almost got fricked by some random jedi technique
            kek, seeing as Mace only decided to kill him (instead of arresting him) after Anakin's moronic ass arrived (and Sidious saw his chance to manipulate le choosen one through the "i am too weak" bit), Palpatine probably would have used his senate and government friends to escape jail, hide and start again (imagine the seething though)

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Palpatine probably would have used his senate and government friends

              No. He would have whipped out Order 66 just like he did.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Order 66 even more legitimate now that the Jedi literally put the head of the democratically elected government under arrest
                Uh, perhaps this one was the actual plan and Anakin falling was just a bonus

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao nope. george said mace beat Sidious in their saber duel because mace sincerely bested him and overpowered himl. George also said that Anakin could have overpowered Sidious down the line if anakin wouldn't have suffered from the burn injuries but that Mace was still more powerful.
      The only force user who could have beaten Mace 1v1 without outside influence was Yoda

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >george said
        So it's literally not canon anymore if it ever was
        Sorry mace face

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          canon is not some law man, who even cares what is canon they change foundational stuff every movie.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        do you have a source for where George said that

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Bitchass Anakin here? No. Dark side embraced Anakin would wipe the floor with Mace Windu

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Mace was more effective against dark side users

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Mace beat Sidious so probably not, no.
      >inb4 cope about how Sidious intentionally lost
      George confirmed he didn't.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Funny, because if we take the "vapaad" shit or any other EU information we know about Mace into account, hewould have literally been the best master for Anakin in the entire order right after Qui-Gon, with Ayla Secura coming in third.

      By the time of ROTS, naah. Even in his duel with Obi on mustafar, he is fighting with absolute anger and recklessness while Obi purely on the defensive (because though he knows he needs to do his duty, he is still conflicted) and Mace is stronger and heavily implied to be the second best swordsman in the order, with Yoda being the best.

      The dank part is that give Anakin like 5 to 10 years, if that and he would be probably rivaling Yoda, if not Palpatine in power. Anakin even states to Padme how the Jedi refuse teach him certain things. Ani, though a massive hothead was actually very methodical/dilligent when it came to his training, especially swordsmanship

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Dooku was the best pure lightsaber duelist alive at the time, Mace was just master of a style that dunked on Dark Side users.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          In terms of technique, sure. But that's not all that it takes to win a fight.

          Then there is also the fact that Anakin kills Dooku during their second encounter. And it's at moments like that one should realize how Anakin has has these utter sparks/moments of brilliance that just show how much potential is in him.

          It's fricking Gohan syndrome from Dragonball Z, but in Star Wars.

          >how the Jedi refuse teach him certain things
          I think he said that because he wanted to learn a way to save padme and not because they're not teaching him advanced moves

          Yes, it means that. But Anakin also states to Padme how he "wants more". Which not only hints at his lust for power of the political nature, but also his thirst for knowledge about the force.

          If I'm not mistaken, in the fairly recent era of comics which are canon, there are not only moments of Anakin pre-teen times at the order (one panel shows the other younger kids talking smack about him for being "too emotional" and non jedi like, and one of the tutors just being shocked how insanely talented he is with a ligthsaber. Another piece of info we're given which ties to ROTS is actually the rank of master. Apparently you get access to the "forbidden section" of the library/archives once you achieve said rank, which is something Anakin desperately wants, not only in his lust for power, but to save Padme of course.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Apparently you get access to the "forbidden section" of the library/archives once you achieve said rank, which is something Anakin desperately wants, not only in his lust for power, but to save Padme of course.
            That is a detail from the RotS novelization, which was based on the script from the original 4-5 hour long version of Episode III that George scaled way back in the end

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Okay, fair enough. I just didn't remember if it was the comic or the novels.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I don't read the comics but I know there's one comic where a young anakin is being made fun of and called a slave and he gets angry and takes the other padawan's light saber with the force and also turn it on while it was on the air and put it in front of him

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Younglings bullied him
              Seems like Ani got the last laugh

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I lost

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >how the Jedi refuse teach him certain things
        I think he said that because he wanted to learn a way to save padme and not because they're not teaching him advanced moves

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          He said that during Attack of the Clones

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I haven't seen EP2 in a long time so I forget
            anyway, before disney shit, anakin became a master at form V and he was the best form V jedi at the time

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >anakin became a master at form V and he was the best form V jedi at the time
              what

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                EU had fight forms for jedi
                there were 7 forms and while anakin was trained in all forms, he liked form V and became a master at it
                obi-wan was a master at form III, sore su
                yoda was a master at form IV and windu in vapaad, which was part of form VII I think

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Fanboys put way more thought into star wars than Lucas ever did

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                lucas did approve the novel of ep3 and that novel mentions vaapad and I think sore su too and I think that novel is still canon

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The lightsaber form stuff comes directly from how they were doing the fight choreography for the PT

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Frick off mouse Black person

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I don't like the sequels either moron. Turns out more than one series of things can be bad

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It's only mouse Black folk like you who shit on george when you don't even have a clue what you're talking about.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Your space opera for children is shit and not that deep. Cope zoomer

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No one said it was, you're still the one wallowing in your own ignorance.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Woe is me for being ignorant of powerranger fighter types for my epic lightsaber heroes. God I love light sabers!!!!!!!!!!!!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You're here with the rest of us kiddo

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You frickers keep shitting up my board with this goddamn space trash. Which would be fine but you idiots always act like the prequels are Shakespearian art too smart for the masses to understand. I will never tire of putting you kids to bed

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I have no doubt I'm older than you. I only come to Cinemaphile occasionally these days to shit on nu wars. You guys let the reddit/discord/tumblr gays ruin what used to be the best board on Cinemaphile.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >reddit/discord/tumblr gays
                Those are the prequelgays.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Keep outing yourself newbie. Most of those gays came here to shill nu wars.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Sweet, tender prequelteen delusion.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Why would teens give a frick about movies from 20 years ago? Zoomers like marvel.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Memes.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >yoda was a master at form IV
                there's a whole form for being a midget too short to effectively swordfight a human-sized foe so you have to utilize insane acrobatics to bounce around all over the walls? Why didn't every Jedi just do that?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                qui-gon used form IV too

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Mace was a cuck who had to invent his own style just so he could claim to be a master of it. He couldn't cut it with the classic styles.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Its far worse than that. He's just using the Sith lightsaber style but making up bullshit as to why its okay. Nobody calls him on it because affirmative action I guess.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I always suspected yoda kept mace close because he was only a hair away from falling to the darkside. He really was the worst jedi.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Its far worse than that. He's just using the Sith lightsaber style but making up bullshit as to why its okay. Nobody calls him on it because affirmative action I guess.

                Isn't Vapaad more of a force technique than an actual light saber form? Essentially a force induced battle trance that passively feeds off the dark side around you (including your opponents).

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah he pretty much had a free pass to use the darkside because the only person who could tell him off was yoda and it's not like they went on missions together.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Which is also a bit funny, because as far as I'm aware; though Mace is an absolute hoss in terms of combat prowess, his "real" bead and butter was actually diplomacy.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                YES that's what it is
                It's basically Uncle Iroh's lightning redirect ability
                He brings the dark side of his opponent into himself and acts as a humble/neutral guide to redirect it back at the enemy, enhacing his fighting ability at the same time to bring his power up to theirs.
                This lets him win against any dark side user because as a Jedi he can stay calm and focused during battle rather than getting emotional and off balance. Equal power plus better focus/calm energy means he wins.
                Mace with his own power and no vapaad against sidious, he would have died not long after Kit Fisto

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >calm and focused
                >he is the traitor aaahhhhhhahh

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      yes
      yes
      yes
      Mace is only as strong as Kenobi
      >as wise as master yoda and as powerful as master windu
      Kenobi is strong but not anywhere near Yoda/Sidious level
      >to fight this darth sidious, strong enough, you are not
      Windu won because of Vapaad and cause Palpatine was toying with him.
      Anakin was stronger than Obiwan back in Ep2, and by Ep3 he was even stronger.
      Obiwan got slapped by Dooku both times they fought. First time, Dooku toys with him the way Vader toyed with Luke in ESB, and in their second fight he just ragdolls him across the room.
      Anakin gave Dooku a run for his money in Ep2 and then beat him in Ep3
      Mace would lose against Dooku, Yoda, and Anakin yes

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Obiwan lasted a lot longer against dooku than anakin did in episode 2.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >a full fledge jedi knight lasted more than an enrage padawan
          oh no shocking

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Obi being toyed with by Dooku
            >Ani going toe to toe with him

            Anakin couldn't have beaten obi wan in episode 2

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              of course he couldn't, he was a fricking padawan and full of himself (yes, ep3 anakin was full of himself too but he calmed down a bit compared to ep2 anakin)
              it was nice to see anakin using two lightsabers though

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >it was nice to see anakin using two lightsabers though
                True

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Obi being toyed with by Dooku
          >Ani going toe to toe with him

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        G.L. already said Mace beat Sideous. Which is the entire point because Sideous beat Mace anyway.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Rey would btfo both of them.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Does kenobi have healing powers in his show?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        who

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Reynald de Chattion, a 12th century crusader.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Empress Rey

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How anyone could turn the coolest lightsaber into the most uncool looking thing ever is honestly impressive.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              women

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >They didn't do a "Rey becomes bad and finn/poe have to get her back" storyline

            Such a missed fricking opportunity holy shit

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Imagine if RJ had a spine and actually had Rey take up Kylo's offer at the end of Last Jedi.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Seriously. What the frick it would've actually made for a satisfying story

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I'd you didn't drop nu wars after tfa you never liked star wars to begin with

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Its called being in denial can happen to anyone

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                There are nu wars generals here every day and you're still acting like the sequels could have been salvaged with minor changes. I suspect you're a frickjng reylo

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine if JJ had the balls to also kill Rey off.

                There might've actually been a story in the Sequel Trilogy.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              It was literally right there for the taking but no way they let Miss Mary Sue perfect have flaws.

              >Good Kylo and Finn team up to turn Rey back to the light even though Kylo knows he's no match for her broken level powers.

              That way they could have even used her being completely OP to the story's benefit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Mace was the best because of that form or whatever dark side shit he could tap into. Mace>Yoda in lightsaber Yoda>Mace in like force feats of strength.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Mace was the superior duelist, and his style is meant to specifically deal with darkside abilities. At the time, Anakin wouldn't have beat Palpatine solo so its safe to say Mace would have won, however its made clear that had Anakin not gotten wrecked when he did he would have gone on to be stronger than everyone else with force powers.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Could Anakin beat Mace in a straight up duel?

      In episode 3?

      No. And it would not have been close.

      But in a few years he could have.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He would have fricked mace up.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          All of Anakin's strong moments and wins in saber duels come from tapping into anger to overpower his opponent, wouldn't work on Mace Windu.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            In his dreams. Mace was way beyond Anakin in ep 3.

            Nah mace would have been wrecked like dooku. He's a one trick pony.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Dooku lost because he was a shitty Sith that wasn't very good at tapping into the Dark Side, so got blindsided and overpowered by Anakin's tard rage outburst. Mace's style is entirely based around punishing crutching on Dark Side tard rage.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Dude Dooku was notoriously powerful and considered one of the best, if not the best, duelist. His old age had dulled him, but he was a serious threat. Even the Canon animated shows show he’s strong as frick with the force and uses lightning like it’s nothing against Savage

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Dude Dooku was notoriously powerful and considered one of the best, if not the best, duelist.
                Him going to the Dark Side had zero baring on that, this was true when he was a Jedi. Point I'm making is that his skill with the lightsaber is entirely down to his own merits and training, he probably would have bested Mace even as old as he was because he wasn't using a Sith style that relied on drawing from anger or hate.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Dooku was old and way past his prime. Mace was in his prime while at the time Anakin was still learning. At that time Mace would have absolutely destroyed Anakin even though Anakin had more potential.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          In his dreams. Mace was way beyond Anakin in ep 3.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        what about vader?
        he was still pretty powerful even if he was at 80% of his power

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          People keep talking about bringing one handed Mace back. One handed Mace would get wrecked by Vader.

          R1 era Vader might be able to beat prequel Mace though because Vader had been honing his force powers for years with no light side limits.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ani can only bully little kids.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      At the time of Episode 3, before Anakin fell to the Dark Side, they're about equal in power, which is also about Dooku's level (Windu has an advantage in form against Dark Siders, though). Obi-Wan and the rest of the powerful Jedi of the era are a bit below that, and Yoda and Palpatine are a fair bit higher (but Yoda lacks staying power at that point in his life). Darth Vader reaches that level again at the peak of his ability, decades later.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Potentially, but in ROTS. Anakin at full power would merk anyone, though.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Probably not. Before Dooku left the Jedi Order, he was the only duelist that could semi-reliably defeat Mace Windu in lightsaber combat. Granted, Anakin won against Dooku, but only against an old Dooku who had been told by Sidious to go easy on him so they could both turn him to the dark side ; not to mention that Dooku defeated Anakin half a dozen times during the Clone Wars.
      Therefore I don't see Anakin winning against a Dooku-tier duelist who's still in his prime, like Mace.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Not during movie 3. Mace was the best duelist among all Force users, Jedi and Siths.
      In few years prime, unburnt Anakin would had been stronger thi

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Legends Mace Windu believed he might be the Chosen One.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He thought that he was the chosen one.

      SHIEEET SO YOU BE SAYING WE WUZ CHOSEN ONEZ

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He thought that he was the chosen one.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did he hate Anakin so much?
    He didn't. That entire talking point is made up by fandom who desperately want to put the blame on someone else for Anakin being a frick up. Mace is damage control for them basically.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Who blames Mace for Anakin's failings? Anakin did enough shit wrong to deserve where he ended up. But Mace was clearly set against him to a degree from the beginning.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >But Mace was clearly set against him to a degree from the beginning.
        I don't believe this. If we constantly saw him having an attitude with Anakin in multiple situations maybe. but he was pretty respectful towards Anakin

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        There's a deleted scene where Obi-Wan asks Mace Windu if it is not a good idea to have Anakin watch over Padme considering they have a history together with Anakin being prone to give into emotion. Mace assures Obi-Wan that the best thing he can do is to trust his apprentice. Obviously this isn't canon since the scene was deleted, but every other scene was filmed with this intention being known.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It was all because Qui-Gon is a jobber.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Racial envy? Hair envy? Both?

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    if Anakin was so important why wasn't his training given to someone with more experience than Obi-wan who just stopped being a padawan when he takes on Anakin as one?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      by qui-gon's words, obi-wan was ready to be a knight and he promised to train the boy and yoda reluctantly agreed

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The prequel's appearance of being rushed and not thought-out is due to the fact that the prequel scripts were rushed and not thought-out

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        you forgot that obi-wan was always going to be vader's master since ANH?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off mouse Black person

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yoda has a high WIS stat but a low INT stat. But my headcannon is that they were testing Anakin in some weird jedi way for giving him just normal teaching instead of special chosen one teachings.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah like they already had to accept Anakin was going to be trained, why not making him an apprentice of someone with more experience.I like to think that in the time anaking was learning the basics in the temple, obi-wan was making sure to be competent and trustworthy enough to be in charge of anakin. Personally i would have assigned him with Plo koon

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It never felt like it lined up with what Obi-Wan says in ROTJ, even ignoring the garbage prophecy. In TPM he says the Order won't stop him, but he still defers to Yoda and seeks permission, and is only in this position out of obligation to Qui-Gon. In ROTJ there's no such indication; one gets the sense that he did it of his own volition and arrogance: even if it wasn't outside the Jedi Order's view it was nevertheless on the basis of Obi-Wan's own authority and judgment. "I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong."

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You literally put way more thought into this than Luca did

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Tragic.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    because star wars is homosexual normie shit, frick off back

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >t. molested as a child

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >>t. molested as a child
        yeah, I guessed

        >using the term “normie”
        go back, zoom zoom.

        >using the term “normie”
        what else would I use? Star Wars fans are the cringiest "I'm a nerd lol" group in all of Sci-Fi, you're funko-pops personified.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >what else would I use? Star Wars fans are the cringiest "I'm a nerd lol" group in all of Sci-Fi, you're funko-pops personified.
          Star Wars hasn't been good since 1980. Prequel gays are manchildren that cannot understand that one can say that both sequels and prequels are bad for different reasons

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Star Wars hasn't been good since 1980.
            it's never, ever been good.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            newbie zoomer, go back to giving money to your friend simulators

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I'm sorry to say that your horribly written popcorn flicks made to sell toys doesn't hold up. I know you first watched them when you were 6 years old but it's time to stop being so attached to space operas

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >using the term “normie”
      go back, zoom zoom.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Anakin never had a father figure, so you'd think they'd relate on that at least.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why? Mace was like the step dad who never wanted him around in the first place. He had yoda and obiwan for parental style guidance.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Obi was a brother and Yoda was a grandfather figure. Qui-Gon was the only one who could have been a true father to Anakin.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I understand that. I'm just saying those two would be the main people he would turn to when he needed help. gaygor mace couldn't even mask his contempt for a scared 9 year old child.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          So why did contact yoda from the afterlife and not Anakin?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Presumably, Qui-Gon hadn't mastered the art himself and only Yoda was attuned enough in the Force to be able to contact at the time.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No, his yearning for a parent/family figure in a singular individual rather than the order as a whole was something other jedi never agreed on with anakin

        Whoosh.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No, his yearning for a parent/family figure in a singular individual rather than the order as a whole was something other jedi never agreed on with anakin

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    affirmative action enrollments always hate legacy kids

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    he didn't hate anakin, he distrusted him due to his lack of control, part of which was a projection of his own insecurities
    mace's entire style of fighting was harnessing the rage within him to ride the edge of the dark side while still fighting for balance
    he saw the conflict within anakin as an extension of his own, and combined with his prowess in the force as the chosen one, he was cautious to allow anakin any opportunity to experience the pull that he allowed himself to feel every time he fought

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Mace's lightsaber style basically does dark side shit where he taps into his lust for battle and emotions to fight
    >B...BUT I'M STILL GOOD BECAUSE UH......BECAUSE I JUST AM OKAY???

    Jedi light/dark lore is fricking stupid

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    he could smell anakin got pussy while he stuck to the volcel code

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      why didn't he hate obi-wan too?
      he fricked satine

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        and ki adi mundi had 4 wives

        they were masters, they had earned that much. but anakin wanted to be on the council, be considered a master, and have his pussy too.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          windu was a master too, why didn't he get some pussy?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            concession he would make for that gay edging to the dark side while fighting thing he did.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              vapaad is cool

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      and ki adi mundi had 4 wives

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Anakin used to be a slave so he can't call him racist when convenient.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because Ani was ungroomable.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >66

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Shit wrong one

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I can't believe Filoni got away with that episode

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't he age at all in the ten years between TPM and AOTC

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He looked like the war aged him a lot in rots

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It is an ancient Jedi technique known as "Black don't Crack"

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Envy. He was mad that Anakin was the chosen one, that Anakin was a better "angry Jedi" than him, that Anakin would have made the council faster even without Sheev, and that Anakin would likely eclipse him at some point.

    Windu is powerful, and he's proof you can be a powerful Jedi but a poor Jedi. He's envious, he's wrathful, he has no problem with killing and he's so arrogant he damn near led the Jedi to their deaths at Geonosis.

    He is the failings of the late Jedi order all in one very powerful man.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Perfect reason why Black folk shouldn’t be Jedi. The Jedi Council then fricked not being race realist

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Im just imagining yoda quoting FBI racial crime statistics.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          50 percent, 13 is.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Mace made sidious his b***h and darth vader is pussy whipped by sidious, go figure

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >unstable white kid massacres an entire school
    many such cases!

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    My headcanon is that Sheev and Yoda are the overall strongest in the force but Windu specializes in saber combat.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Dooku would destroy mace

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If I was Anakin my rage for not being able to use force lightning because of my robo hands would probably make me the most powerful sith.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Lego Star Wars gag with Anakin sitting down at a child's desk and pulling out a coloring book and crayons gave me a chuckle.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Which jedi had the biggest wiener?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That one alien fricker with a massive neck who also sits on the jedi council.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      yaddle

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This guy for sure

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I know this can sound a bit like a cope but hear me out; when Lucas said Mace beat Sheev, he means their bout with sabers. Just because Mace has Palpatine "cornered" didn't mean that the fight was over or that Palpatine lost. We see Mace seriously struggling to keep the Emperor's lightning under control and one could make the argument Palps wasn't using it at full power to begin with to play on the whole "Anakin, help me, I'm too weak...", and afterwards see just how much power there was actually left

    ?t=211

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Was he called Mace because his eyes looked like they were sprayed with mace?

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    well apparently it was justified

    ?t=209

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      uncanny voice acting and sound effects.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The prequels frickin sucked.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        go away rich

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        True.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      how does one make the sound at 4:16

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        repeatedly tap your throat while screaming

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because he was a little b***h, and you are a little b***h for not getting that

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao, there was nothing consistent in the sequels. The whole premise is utterly chaotic and fricked up and it's clear their were making shit up on the fly, because they were a bunch of talentless hollywood hacks. You can't "save" the sequels, because there is nothing to save.

    If you want to make them "work", you'd have to do the whole thing again from ground up.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the first you time saw his purple lightsaber what did you think the reason was the in-universe explanation for it?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      i thought black jedis get purple lightsabers

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Mara Jade had it first

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        the first thing you thought when you saw mace's purple lightsaber for the first time was that some non-canon female character from something that only the most turbo autismo dorks read had it first?

        okay, so when you first saw that cover with her wielding a purple lightsaber what did you think was the in-universe explanation for it was?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Purple is a girl's color

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            purple is the color of royalty and doesn't belong to either gender. the only true feminine color is pink and various shades of it.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >purple is the color of royalty
              WE

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                are the crystal gems
                we'll always save the day
                and if you think we can't...

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >non-canon
          Disney shill get the frick out

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            eu never was and never has been canon. it's pure fanfiction that only exists within its own parameters never extending to the canon of the films.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              the first thing you thought when you saw mace's purple lightsaber for the first time was that some non-canon female character from something that only the most turbo autismo dorks read had it first?

              okay, so when you first saw that cover with her wielding a purple lightsaber what did you think was the in-universe explanation for it was?

              Of all the things to try and grand stand about you pick the ones that George obviously read himself and liked, because he used very small details from the Thrawn Trilogy in the PT. Like the name of Coruscant.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I was a kid so I literally didn't care
      it was cool and that's it

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He dipped it in lean.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Well he was about to kill sidious and anakin fricked that up for him

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So is it decided that Palpatine did lose or was he throwing on purpose?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Legit lost the fight, but it hardly mattressed. At any moment Palpatine could have squashed Mace like a bug via Force bullshit.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I know mace would beat him in a lightsaber duel but I do find it hard to believe palpy couldn't force destroyed mace's ass.

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Cause he cut off his hand and helped kill him.
    And he was white

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    holy shit this thread
    >mace disliked anakin
    He didn't, he was like demanding master. He actually expected Anakin to at one point take Yoda position, but he wanted Anakin to do it in proper time, slowly but steady, not jump into jedi master council just because he's op. Like nearly every interaction in the movie is mace telling Anakin to slow down and calm the frick down and be reasonable. he actually believed in Anakin even more than obi-wan at some point
    >who's stronger
    Yoda is more like master force user, while Mace was best fighter, having his special technique basing on being on edge of the dark side aka angry but not enough. Its not known why palpatine got fricked up by Mace, but the common theory is that he got too confident after killing every other jedi in the room under 1 minute. he was a yoda mirror, master planner and manipulator strong in the force. still strong, but not the best fighter possible
    Its hard to gauge anakin yet alone when he becomes vader in suit. He also created his own style of fighting when in heavy, movemnt restricting suit. He was like a meatgrinder, slowly coming at you, using force to project extreme anger and hatred and then unleashing barrage of really heavy hits at you to completly crush your spirit. He alredy got stronger than his original on mustafar, just his cap changed due to disabilities, meaning he could actually beat mace in fight
    Dooku coudln't beat anyone mentioned above. Its already questionable if he was stronger than Obi at this point, since he just luckily stunned him. he didnt land a saber blow
    im pretty sure that any palpatine/obi/vader/mace fights would rely on luck and clever use of surrounding to win, not actual swordskills

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nice headcanon, homosexual.

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