>Because he was wise enough to see that giving Jed training to an angry young ex-slave would be massively dangerous.
The writing of this would have been much more clear if they didn't start training Anakin as a child. He should have been much older, the character would have been less annoying in Phantom Menace too.
there's more to fighting than baseline ability tho
like the best [insert 1v1 competitive activity here] player in the world doesn't win every game forever, he just wins more often, but other very good players can take him in a best of 1.
obi-wan killed anakin
he mutilated and striped him of all his humanity
he did him a fate worse than death even
you can say that anakin was already vader before but I think he died right there
you have a face and personality that makes you: you
despite all your corruptions you are that person
darth vader isn't anakin, he's a frankenstein cobbled together out of a broken body and hate filled, addled mind who hardly remembers what it once was
Obi-Wan's style of choice hard countered Anakin's, who was also fighting very sloppy due to fuming rage. There were plenty of moments where Obi-Wan could have ended the duel far earlier by punishing sloppy mistakes but he didn't want to kill Anakin right up until it was a life or death moment where he had no choice.
absolute brainlet moron take, im sure you're really liking the obi wan series right now on disney +
anakins style was literally created by the people who used soresu and thought it was dogshit, it uses soresu as its base, he lost because his fall to the dark side was too recent and it unbalanced his mind and made him make foolish mistakes he would not have made otherwise
Obi Wan trained Anakin and knew him better than anyone else.
Anakin was also a raging sperg high on his power during the duel against the best defense light saber duelist alive at the time.
Episode 3 Obi Wan was the best defensive swordsman around but his force use was too weak to keep him from getting jobbed by anyone with a similar skill level plus elite force powers.
Obi Wan could defend with his Form III against anyone all day until they said frick it and force pushed him into oncoming traffic or a moving train or some shit. Then he woukd be done.
>No Obi-Wan
kek, still seething about the literal best sword to sword duelist out there, you burnt marshmallow?
Theoretical duels. Obi-wan beat him, there's nothing there to theorize.
The novel makes it clear that while Obi Wan is the undisputed master of his defensive based style of dueling, Anakin's raw power was greater than that of his own, and the only reason Obi Wan lasted as long as he did on Mustafar is because he has the specific advantage of knowing everything about Anakin's style considering he taught it to him. Him knowing his every move plus his mastery experience kept in the fight for a long time, but what ultimately lost the fight for Anakin was his arrogance and pride, which is not unexpected for a villain type character in general.
Mace, Yoda, and maybe Plo Koon were the only ones who may have bested Anakin. But since Anakin beat Dooku, he probably would have beat Plo and Mace.
I think it's close. Mace was clearly afraid of Anakin's rising power. A couple years later no one would beat Anakin. Also Obi Wan was an S tier swordsman but his force abilities were lacking.
not in episode 3, and certainly not within the confines of the vader suit
mace was the fiercest swordsman of all the jedi, and he managed to best palpatine until anakin's dumb ass chopped his hands off in the galaxy's ultimate b***h move
more powerful in the force, sure, but the suit literally restricted his range of motion
shit, luke nearly killed him when he briefly lost control in the throne room, I can't imagine how he'd deal with a drawn-out onslaught of a similar nature given mace's style of fighting
He did, per Lucas. It never felt like McDiarmid was playing the scene that way though. But it's a shit scene in general aside from the shots of McDiarmid going total ham.
Lucas can say whatever he wants, but the way the scene is directed and acted shows plain as day Palpatine is feigning weakness to get Anakin's sympathy. Despite being "too weak" the moment Mace's guard is down Palps effectively one-shots him with lighting, screaming POWER at the top of his lungs, and casually stands up afterwards like he didn't even break a sweat.
I will not be gaslit by George Lucas. He also forgot Owen was supposed to have "not agreed" with Anakin's ideals and "thought he shouldn't have gotten involved" and instead had the two exchange a total of one line of dialogue in the whole prequels.
And shit I like the prequels and George is clearly needed for SW to work... But he isn't perfect.
>And shit I like the prequels and George is clearly needed for SW to work... But he isn't perfect.
Of course not. I for one think the prequels are garbage. I'm just telling you what the fella said. I don't find it believable either.
>the moment is guard is down Palps one shots him with lightning
By "guard is down" you mean when Mace literally got his fricking hand chopped off? Of course he could finish him off then, his lightning was entirely ineffective before that though.
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He wasn't even wounded by the first deflect, as evidenced by "too weak" becoming "POWER!".
Palpatine let himself get disarmed the moment Anakin walked in, he put on a show for Anakin to get him on his side, and then once Mace got his hand chopped off, Palpatine killed him without a second thought, and stood up as if he wasn't even winded.
You'd have to be a smoothbrain to watch that scene and think "Mace actually won" without George claiming he did.
>and casually stands up afterwards like he didn't even break a sweat
That's not what happens though. You can see he's pretty tired afterwards. Satisfied and relieved, but tired, like when he makes that stupid noise after throwing window out the Windu.
There's also the fact that Windu successfully deflected his Force lightning and permanently disfigured him, something that Palpatine was probably pretty pissed about and certainly didn't plan. A lot of his charm was based on his smile and grandfatherly appearance.
I think it's fair to say that while Sidious never completely lost control of the duel's eventual outcome, he was still surprised and a little spooked by Mace's strength.
Its bullshit but george said he did. Apparently Palpatines decades long plan was all but foiled until Anakin fricks it all up. Makes palps look like a moron tbh.
I think the idea is that it emphasizes that Anakin's choice dooms the Republic. It gives more stakes to Anakin's decision. It also makes Mace Windu look cool (or would if the fight wasn't atrocious), which is probably as big a reason as any.
>one thousand years plan almost got fricked by some random jedi technique
kek, seeing as Mace only decided to kill him (instead of arresting him) after Anakin's moronic ass arrived (and Sidious saw his chance to manipulate le choosen one through the "i am too weak" bit), Palpatine probably would have used his senate and government friends to escape jail, hide and start again (imagine the seething though)
>Palpatine probably would have used his senate and government friends
No. He would have whipped out Order 66 just like he did.
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>Order 66 even more legitimate now that the Jedi literally put the head of the democratically elected government under arrest
Uh, perhaps this one was the actual plan and Anakin falling was just a bonus
Lmao nope. george said mace beat Sidious in their saber duel because mace sincerely bested him and overpowered himl. George also said that Anakin could have overpowered Sidious down the line if anakin wouldn't have suffered from the burn injuries but that Mace was still more powerful.
The only force user who could have beaten Mace 1v1 without outside influence was Yoda
Funny, because if we take the "vapaad" shit or any other EU information we know about Mace into account, hewould have literally been the best master for Anakin in the entire order right after Qui-Gon, with Ayla Secura coming in third.
By the time of ROTS, naah. Even in his duel with Obi on mustafar, he is fighting with absolute anger and recklessness while Obi purely on the defensive (because though he knows he needs to do his duty, he is still conflicted) and Mace is stronger and heavily implied to be the second best swordsman in the order, with Yoda being the best.
The dank part is that give Anakin like 5 to 10 years, if that and he would be probably rivaling Yoda, if not Palpatine in power. Anakin even states to Padme how the Jedi refuse teach him certain things. Ani, though a massive hothead was actually very methodical/dilligent when it came to his training, especially swordsmanship
In terms of technique, sure. But that's not all that it takes to win a fight.
Then there is also the fact that Anakin kills Dooku during their second encounter. And it's at moments like that one should realize how Anakin has has these utter sparks/moments of brilliance that just show how much potential is in him.
It's fricking Gohan syndrome from Dragonball Z, but in Star Wars.
>how the Jedi refuse teach him certain things
I think he said that because he wanted to learn a way to save padme and not because they're not teaching him advanced moves
Yes, it means that. But Anakin also states to Padme how he "wants more". Which not only hints at his lust for power of the political nature, but also his thirst for knowledge about the force.
If I'm not mistaken, in the fairly recent era of comics which are canon, there are not only moments of Anakin pre-teen times at the order (one panel shows the other younger kids talking smack about him for being "too emotional" and non jedi like, and one of the tutors just being shocked how insanely talented he is with a ligthsaber. Another piece of info we're given which ties to ROTS is actually the rank of master. Apparently you get access to the "forbidden section" of the library/archives once you achieve said rank, which is something Anakin desperately wants, not only in his lust for power, but to save Padme of course.
>Apparently you get access to the "forbidden section" of the library/archives once you achieve said rank, which is something Anakin desperately wants, not only in his lust for power, but to save Padme of course.
That is a detail from the RotS novelization, which was based on the script from the original 4-5 hour long version of Episode III that George scaled way back in the end
I don't read the comics but I know there's one comic where a young anakin is being made fun of and called a slave and he gets angry and takes the other padawan's light saber with the force and also turn it on while it was on the air and put it in front of him
>how the Jedi refuse teach him certain things
I think he said that because he wanted to learn a way to save padme and not because they're not teaching him advanced moves
>anakin became a master at form V and he was the best form V jedi at the time
what
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EU had fight forms for jedi
there were 7 forms and while anakin was trained in all forms, he liked form V and became a master at it
obi-wan was a master at form III, sore su
yoda was a master at form IV and windu in vapaad, which was part of form VII I think
2 years ago
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Fanboys put way more thought into star wars than Lucas ever did
2 years ago
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lucas did approve the novel of ep3 and that novel mentions vaapad and I think sore su too and I think that novel is still canon
2 years ago
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The lightsaber form stuff comes directly from how they were doing the fight choreography for the PT
2 years ago
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Frick off mouse Black person
2 years ago
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I don't like the sequels either moron. Turns out more than one series of things can be bad
2 years ago
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It's only mouse Black folk like you who shit on george when you don't even have a clue what you're talking about.
2 years ago
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Your space opera for children is shit and not that deep. Cope zoomer
2 years ago
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No one said it was, you're still the one wallowing in your own ignorance.
2 years ago
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Woe is me for being ignorant of powerranger fighter types for my epic lightsaber heroes. God I love light sabers!!!!!!!!!!!!
2 years ago
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You're here with the rest of us kiddo
2 years ago
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You frickers keep shitting up my board with this goddamn space trash. Which would be fine but you idiots always act like the prequels are Shakespearian art too smart for the masses to understand. I will never tire of putting you kids to bed
2 years ago
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I have no doubt I'm older than you. I only come to Cinemaphile occasionally these days to shit on nu wars. You guys let the reddit/discord/tumblr gays ruin what used to be the best board on Cinemaphile.
2 years ago
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>reddit/discord/tumblr gays
Those are the prequelgays.
2 years ago
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Keep outing yourself newbie. Most of those gays came here to shill nu wars.
2 years ago
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Sweet, tender prequelteen delusion.
2 years ago
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Why would teens give a frick about movies from 20 years ago? Zoomers like marvel.
2 years ago
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Memes.
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>yoda was a master at form IV
there's a whole form for being a midget too short to effectively swordfight a human-sized foe so you have to utilize insane acrobatics to bounce around all over the walls? Why didn't every Jedi just do that?
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qui-gon used form IV too
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Mace was a cuck who had to invent his own style just so he could claim to be a master of it. He couldn't cut it with the classic styles.
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Its far worse than that. He's just using the Sith lightsaber style but making up bullshit as to why its okay. Nobody calls him on it because affirmative action I guess.
2 years ago
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I always suspected yoda kept mace close because he was only a hair away from falling to the darkside. He really was the worst jedi.
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Its far worse than that. He's just using the Sith lightsaber style but making up bullshit as to why its okay. Nobody calls him on it because affirmative action I guess.
Isn't Vapaad more of a force technique than an actual light saber form? Essentially a force induced battle trance that passively feeds off the dark side around you (including your opponents).
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Yeah he pretty much had a free pass to use the darkside because the only person who could tell him off was yoda and it's not like they went on missions together.
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Which is also a bit funny, because as far as I'm aware; though Mace is an absolute hoss in terms of combat prowess, his "real" bead and butter was actually diplomacy.
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YES that's what it is
It's basically Uncle Iroh's lightning redirect ability
He brings the dark side of his opponent into himself and acts as a humble/neutral guide to redirect it back at the enemy, enhacing his fighting ability at the same time to bring his power up to theirs.
This lets him win against any dark side user because as a Jedi he can stay calm and focused during battle rather than getting emotional and off balance. Equal power plus better focus/calm energy means he wins.
Mace with his own power and no vapaad against sidious, he would have died not long after Kit Fisto
yes
yes
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Mace is only as strong as Kenobi >as wise as master yoda and as powerful as master windu
Kenobi is strong but not anywhere near Yoda/Sidious level >to fight this darth sidious, strong enough, you are not
Windu won because of Vapaad and cause Palpatine was toying with him.
Anakin was stronger than Obiwan back in Ep2, and by Ep3 he was even stronger.
Obiwan got slapped by Dooku both times they fought. First time, Dooku toys with him the way Vader toyed with Luke in ESB, and in their second fight he just ragdolls him across the room.
Anakin gave Dooku a run for his money in Ep2 and then beat him in Ep3
Mace would lose against Dooku, Yoda, and Anakin yes
of course he couldn't, he was a fricking padawan and full of himself (yes, ep3 anakin was full of himself too but he calmed down a bit compared to ep2 anakin)
it was nice to see anakin using two lightsabers though
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>it was nice to see anakin using two lightsabers though
True
Imagine if RJ had a spine and actually had Rey take up Kylo's offer at the end of Last Jedi.
2 years ago
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Seriously. What the frick it would've actually made for a satisfying story
2 years ago
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I'd you didn't drop nu wars after tfa you never liked star wars to begin with
2 years ago
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Its called being in denial can happen to anyone
2 years ago
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There are nu wars generals here every day and you're still acting like the sequels could have been salvaged with minor changes. I suspect you're a frickjng reylo
2 years ago
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Imagine if JJ had the balls to also kill Rey off.
There might've actually been a story in the Sequel Trilogy.
Mace was the best because of that form or whatever dark side shit he could tap into. Mace>Yoda in lightsaber Yoda>Mace in like force feats of strength.
Mace was the superior duelist, and his style is meant to specifically deal with darkside abilities. At the time, Anakin wouldn't have beat Palpatine solo so its safe to say Mace would have won, however its made clear that had Anakin not gotten wrecked when he did he would have gone on to be stronger than everyone else with force powers.
Dooku lost because he was a shitty Sith that wasn't very good at tapping into the Dark Side, so got blindsided and overpowered by Anakin's tard rage outburst. Mace's style is entirely based around punishing crutching on Dark Side tard rage.
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Dude Dooku was notoriously powerful and considered one of the best, if not the best, duelist. His old age had dulled him, but he was a serious threat. Even the Canon animated shows show he’s strong as frick with the force and uses lightning like it’s nothing against Savage
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>Dude Dooku was notoriously powerful and considered one of the best, if not the best, duelist.
Him going to the Dark Side had zero baring on that, this was true when he was a Jedi. Point I'm making is that his skill with the lightsaber is entirely down to his own merits and training, he probably would have bested Mace even as old as he was because he wasn't using a Sith style that relied on drawing from anger or hate.
Dooku was old and way past his prime. Mace was in his prime while at the time Anakin was still learning. At that time Mace would have absolutely destroyed Anakin even though Anakin had more potential.
At the time of Episode 3, before Anakin fell to the Dark Side, they're about equal in power, which is also about Dooku's level (Windu has an advantage in form against Dark Siders, though). Obi-Wan and the rest of the powerful Jedi of the era are a bit below that, and Yoda and Palpatine are a fair bit higher (but Yoda lacks staying power at that point in his life). Darth Vader reaches that level again at the peak of his ability, decades later.
Probably not. Before Dooku left the Jedi Order, he was the only duelist that could semi-reliably defeat Mace Windu in lightsaber combat. Granted, Anakin won against Dooku, but only against an old Dooku who had been told by Sidious to go easy on him so they could both turn him to the dark side ; not to mention that Dooku defeated Anakin half a dozen times during the Clone Wars.
Therefore I don't see Anakin winning against a Dooku-tier duelist who's still in his prime, like Mace.
>Why did he hate Anakin so much?
He didn't. That entire talking point is made up by fandom who desperately want to put the blame on someone else for Anakin being a frick up. Mace is damage control for them basically.
Who blames Mace for Anakin's failings? Anakin did enough shit wrong to deserve where he ended up. But Mace was clearly set against him to a degree from the beginning.
>But Mace was clearly set against him to a degree from the beginning.
I don't believe this. If we constantly saw him having an attitude with Anakin in multiple situations maybe. but he was pretty respectful towards Anakin
There's a deleted scene where Obi-Wan asks Mace Windu if it is not a good idea to have Anakin watch over Padme considering they have a history together with Anakin being prone to give into emotion. Mace assures Obi-Wan that the best thing he can do is to trust his apprentice. Obviously this isn't canon since the scene was deleted, but every other scene was filmed with this intention being known.
if Anakin was so important why wasn't his training given to someone with more experience than Obi-wan who just stopped being a padawan when he takes on Anakin as one?
Yoda has a high WIS stat but a low INT stat. But my headcannon is that they were testing Anakin in some weird jedi way for giving him just normal teaching instead of special chosen one teachings.
Yeah like they already had to accept Anakin was going to be trained, why not making him an apprentice of someone with more experience.I like to think that in the time anaking was learning the basics in the temple, obi-wan was making sure to be competent and trustworthy enough to be in charge of anakin. Personally i would have assigned him with Plo koon
It never felt like it lined up with what Obi-Wan says in ROTJ, even ignoring the garbage prophecy. In TPM he says the Order won't stop him, but he still defers to Yoda and seeks permission, and is only in this position out of obligation to Qui-Gon. In ROTJ there's no such indication; one gets the sense that he did it of his own volition and arrogance: even if it wasn't outside the Jedi Order's view it was nevertheless on the basis of Obi-Wan's own authority and judgment. "I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong."
>using the term “normie”
what else would I use? Star Wars fans are the cringiest "I'm a nerd lol" group in all of Sci-Fi, you're funko-pops personified.
>what else would I use? Star Wars fans are the cringiest "I'm a nerd lol" group in all of Sci-Fi, you're funko-pops personified.
Star Wars hasn't been good since 1980. Prequel gays are manchildren that cannot understand that one can say that both sequels and prequels are bad for different reasons
I'm sorry to say that your horribly written popcorn flicks made to sell toys doesn't hold up. I know you first watched them when you were 6 years old but it's time to stop being so attached to space operas
Yeah I understand that. I'm just saying those two would be the main people he would turn to when he needed help. gaygor mace couldn't even mask his contempt for a scared 9 year old child.
No, his yearning for a parent/family figure in a singular individual rather than the order as a whole was something other jedi never agreed on with anakin
No, his yearning for a parent/family figure in a singular individual rather than the order as a whole was something other jedi never agreed on with anakin
he didn't hate anakin, he distrusted him due to his lack of control, part of which was a projection of his own insecurities
mace's entire style of fighting was harnessing the rage within him to ride the edge of the dark side while still fighting for balance
he saw the conflict within anakin as an extension of his own, and combined with his prowess in the force as the chosen one, he was cautious to allow anakin any opportunity to experience the pull that he allowed himself to feel every time he fought
>Mace's lightsaber style basically does dark side shit where he taps into his lust for battle and emotions to fight >B...BUT I'M STILL GOOD BECAUSE UH......BECAUSE I JUST AM OKAY???
Envy. He was mad that Anakin was the chosen one, that Anakin was a better "angry Jedi" than him, that Anakin would have made the council faster even without Sheev, and that Anakin would likely eclipse him at some point.
Windu is powerful, and he's proof you can be a powerful Jedi but a poor Jedi. He's envious, he's wrathful, he has no problem with killing and he's so arrogant he damn near led the Jedi to their deaths at Geonosis.
He is the failings of the late Jedi order all in one very powerful man.
I know this can sound a bit like a cope but hear me out; when Lucas said Mace beat Sheev, he means their bout with sabers. Just because Mace has Palpatine "cornered" didn't mean that the fight was over or that Palpatine lost. We see Mace seriously struggling to keep the Emperor's lightning under control and one could make the argument Palps wasn't using it at full power to begin with to play on the whole "Anakin, help me, I'm too weak...", and afterwards see just how much power there was actually left
Lmao, there was nothing consistent in the sequels. The whole premise is utterly chaotic and fricked up and it's clear their were making shit up on the fly, because they were a bunch of talentless hollywood hacks. You can't "save" the sequels, because there is nothing to save.
If you want to make them "work", you'd have to do the whole thing again from ground up.
the first thing you thought when you saw mace's purple lightsaber for the first time was that some non-canon female character from something that only the most turbo autismo dorks read had it first?
okay, so when you first saw that cover with her wielding a purple lightsaber what did you think was the in-universe explanation for it was?
the first thing you thought when you saw mace's purple lightsaber for the first time was that some non-canon female character from something that only the most turbo autismo dorks read had it first?
okay, so when you first saw that cover with her wielding a purple lightsaber what did you think was the in-universe explanation for it was?
Of all the things to try and grand stand about you pick the ones that George obviously read himself and liked, because he used very small details from the Thrawn Trilogy in the PT. Like the name of Coruscant.
holy shit this thread >mace disliked anakin
He didn't, he was like demanding master. He actually expected Anakin to at one point take Yoda position, but he wanted Anakin to do it in proper time, slowly but steady, not jump into jedi master council just because he's op. Like nearly every interaction in the movie is mace telling Anakin to slow down and calm the frick down and be reasonable. he actually believed in Anakin even more than obi-wan at some point >who's stronger
Yoda is more like master force user, while Mace was best fighter, having his special technique basing on being on edge of the dark side aka angry but not enough. Its not known why palpatine got fricked up by Mace, but the common theory is that he got too confident after killing every other jedi in the room under 1 minute. he was a yoda mirror, master planner and manipulator strong in the force. still strong, but not the best fighter possible
Its hard to gauge anakin yet alone when he becomes vader in suit. He also created his own style of fighting when in heavy, movemnt restricting suit. He was like a meatgrinder, slowly coming at you, using force to project extreme anger and hatred and then unleashing barrage of really heavy hits at you to completly crush your spirit. He alredy got stronger than his original on mustafar, just his cap changed due to disabilities, meaning he could actually beat mace in fight
Dooku coudln't beat anyone mentioned above. Its already questionable if he was stronger than Obi at this point, since he just luckily stunned him. he didnt land a saber blow
im pretty sure that any palpatine/obi/vader/mace fights would rely on luck and clever use of surrounding to win, not actual swordskills
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needs more roicism
DARK GREETINGS
You would to if you had to endure that whiney homosexual reciting some sperg's bad interpretation of Shakespear.
Because he was wise enough to see that giving Jed training to an angry young ex-slave would be massively dangerous.
This
I mean they have ("obscured", iffy) future sight. He probably partly knew Anakin was a school shooter
>Because he was wise enough to see that giving Jed training to an angry young ex-slave would be massively dangerous.
The writing of this would have been much more clear if they didn't start training Anakin as a child. He should have been much older, the character would have been less annoying in Phantom Menace too.
in that meeting they already said hes too old
Idiot
He didn’t. Yoda hated Anakin.
Could Anakin beat Mace in a straight up duel?
Mace, Yoda, and maybe Plo Koon were the only ones who may have bested Anakin. But since Anakin beat Dooku, he probably would have beat Plo and Mace.
obi wan killed him
killed who?
him
and who is him?
The villain from Powerpuff Girls. Obi-wan just straight murders him.
there's more to fighting than baseline ability tho
like the best [insert 1v1 competitive activity here] player in the world doesn't win every game forever, he just wins more often, but other very good players can take him in a best of 1.
obi-wan killed anakin
he mutilated and striped him of all his humanity
he did him a fate worse than death even
you can say that anakin was already vader before but I think he died right there
you have a face and personality that makes you: you
despite all your corruptions you are that person
darth vader isn't anakin, he's a frankenstein cobbled together out of a broken body and hate filled, addled mind who hardly remembers what it once was
but he gives luke that kiss in rotj. He is dad forever and noone can take that away even if he loves padmay.
he was a good friend
>darth vader isn't anakin
I get what you're trying to say but no
Obi-Wan's style of choice hard countered Anakin's, who was also fighting very sloppy due to fuming rage. There were plenty of moments where Obi-Wan could have ended the duel far earlier by punishing sloppy mistakes but he didn't want to kill Anakin right up until it was a life or death moment where he had no choice.
absolute brainlet moron take, im sure you're really liking the obi wan series right now on disney +
anakins style was literally created by the people who used soresu and thought it was dogshit, it uses soresu as its base, he lost because his fall to the dark side was too recent and it unbalanced his mind and made him make foolish mistakes he would not have made otherwise
Obi Wan trained Anakin and knew him better than anyone else.
Anakin was also a raging sperg high on his power during the duel against the best defense light saber duelist alive at the time.
>No Obi-Wan
kek, still seething about the literal best sword to sword duelist out there, you burnt marshmallow?
Theoretical duels. Obi-wan beat him, there's nothing there to theorize.
Episode 3 Obi Wan was the best defensive swordsman around but his force use was too weak to keep him from getting jobbed by anyone with a similar skill level plus elite force powers.
Obi Wan could defend with his Form III against anyone all day until they said frick it and force pushed him into oncoming traffic or a moving train or some shit. Then he woukd be done.
The novel makes it clear that while Obi Wan is the undisputed master of his defensive based style of dueling, Anakin's raw power was greater than that of his own, and the only reason Obi Wan lasted as long as he did on Mustafar is because he has the specific advantage of knowing everything about Anakin's style considering he taught it to him. Him knowing his every move plus his mastery experience kept in the fight for a long time, but what ultimately lost the fight for Anakin was his arrogance and pride, which is not unexpected for a villain type character in general.
Why is plo koon so strong?
Him and Kip Fisto were my favorite Jedi
Didn’t know he was strong. Also why was his lightsaber yellow?
I think it's close. Mace was clearly afraid of Anakin's rising power. A couple years later no one would beat Anakin. Also Obi Wan was an S tier swordsman but his force abilities were lacking.
At the time of ROTS? Not a chance.
Who knows? Anakin only lost against Obi-Wan because he let his emotions get the better of him.
bullshit, obiwan is out right better. he stopped general grievous, Anakin and darthmaul. Obi Is clearly the man.
Anakin had more raw power but Obi Wan could read his opponent and assess the fight better.
It also helps that obi wan knew anakins fighting style better than anyone considering he trained him.
hmm good question it would be close but if anakin got to full power mace would been rekted
not in episode 3, and certainly not within the confines of the vader suit
mace was the fiercest swordsman of all the jedi, and he managed to best palpatine until anakin's dumb ass chopped his hands off in the galaxy's ultimate b***h move
>and certainly not within the confines of the vader suit
He was always more powerful over time, in the EU and current canon.
more powerful in the force, sure, but the suit literally restricted his range of motion
shit, luke nearly killed him when he briefly lost control in the throne room, I can't imagine how he'd deal with a drawn-out onslaught of a similar nature given mace's style of fighting
>He thinks Mace actually beat Palpatine
He did, per Lucas. It never felt like McDiarmid was playing the scene that way though. But it's a shit scene in general aside from the shots of McDiarmid going total ham.
Lucas can say whatever he wants, but the way the scene is directed and acted shows plain as day Palpatine is feigning weakness to get Anakin's sympathy. Despite being "too weak" the moment Mace's guard is down Palps effectively one-shots him with lighting, screaming POWER at the top of his lungs, and casually stands up afterwards like he didn't even break a sweat.
I will not be gaslit by George Lucas. He also forgot Owen was supposed to have "not agreed" with Anakin's ideals and "thought he shouldn't have gotten involved" and instead had the two exchange a total of one line of dialogue in the whole prequels.
And shit I like the prequels and George is clearly needed for SW to work... But he isn't perfect.
>And shit I like the prequels and George is clearly needed for SW to work... But he isn't perfect.
Of course not. I for one think the prequels are garbage. I'm just telling you what the fella said. I don't find it believable either.
>the moment is guard is down Palps one shots him with lightning
By "guard is down" you mean when Mace literally got his fricking hand chopped off? Of course he could finish him off then, his lightning was entirely ineffective before that though.
He wasn't even wounded by the first deflect, as evidenced by "too weak" becoming "POWER!".
Palpatine let himself get disarmed the moment Anakin walked in, he put on a show for Anakin to get him on his side, and then once Mace got his hand chopped off, Palpatine killed him without a second thought, and stood up as if he wasn't even winded.
You'd have to be a smoothbrain to watch that scene and think "Mace actually won" without George claiming he did.
>Lucas can say whatever he wants, but the way the scene is directed and acted
Lucas directed and told them gow to act that scene.
So he contradicted his own directions?
>Palpatine is feigning weakness
True. But that was only after being disarmed for real by Mace.
Think of it like this. Who is more powerful, Mike Tyson or Putin? It depends but overall its Putin.
>and casually stands up afterwards like he didn't even break a sweat
That's not what happens though. You can see he's pretty tired afterwards. Satisfied and relieved, but tired, like when he makes that stupid noise after throwing window out the Windu.
There's also the fact that Windu successfully deflected his Force lightning and permanently disfigured him, something that Palpatine was probably pretty pissed about and certainly didn't plan. A lot of his charm was based on his smile and grandfatherly appearance.
I think it's fair to say that while Sidious never completely lost control of the duel's eventual outcome, he was still surprised and a little spooked by Mace's strength.
Its bullshit but george said he did. Apparently Palpatines decades long plan was all but foiled until Anakin fricks it all up. Makes palps look like a moron tbh.
I think the idea is that it emphasizes that Anakin's choice dooms the Republic. It gives more stakes to Anakin's decision. It also makes Mace Windu look cool (or would if the fight wasn't atrocious), which is probably as big a reason as any.
I'll stick to my head canon that Palpatine pretended to lose as a final push to get Anakin to turn to the dark side.
>one thousand years plan almost got fricked by some random jedi technique
kek, seeing as Mace only decided to kill him (instead of arresting him) after Anakin's moronic ass arrived (and Sidious saw his chance to manipulate le choosen one through the "i am too weak" bit), Palpatine probably would have used his senate and government friends to escape jail, hide and start again (imagine the seething though)
>Palpatine probably would have used his senate and government friends
No. He would have whipped out Order 66 just like he did.
>Order 66 even more legitimate now that the Jedi literally put the head of the democratically elected government under arrest
Uh, perhaps this one was the actual plan and Anakin falling was just a bonus
Lmao nope. george said mace beat Sidious in their saber duel because mace sincerely bested him and overpowered himl. George also said that Anakin could have overpowered Sidious down the line if anakin wouldn't have suffered from the burn injuries but that Mace was still more powerful.
The only force user who could have beaten Mace 1v1 without outside influence was Yoda
>george said
So it's literally not canon anymore if it ever was
Sorry mace face
canon is not some law man, who even cares what is canon they change foundational stuff every movie.
do you have a source for where George said that
Bitchass Anakin here? No. Dark side embraced Anakin would wipe the floor with Mace Windu
Mace was more effective against dark side users
Mace beat Sidious so probably not, no.
>inb4 cope about how Sidious intentionally lost
George confirmed he didn't.
Funny, because if we take the "vapaad" shit or any other EU information we know about Mace into account, hewould have literally been the best master for Anakin in the entire order right after Qui-Gon, with Ayla Secura coming in third.
By the time of ROTS, naah. Even in his duel with Obi on mustafar, he is fighting with absolute anger and recklessness while Obi purely on the defensive (because though he knows he needs to do his duty, he is still conflicted) and Mace is stronger and heavily implied to be the second best swordsman in the order, with Yoda being the best.
The dank part is that give Anakin like 5 to 10 years, if that and he would be probably rivaling Yoda, if not Palpatine in power. Anakin even states to Padme how the Jedi refuse teach him certain things. Ani, though a massive hothead was actually very methodical/dilligent when it came to his training, especially swordsmanship
Dooku was the best pure lightsaber duelist alive at the time, Mace was just master of a style that dunked on Dark Side users.
In terms of technique, sure. But that's not all that it takes to win a fight.
Then there is also the fact that Anakin kills Dooku during their second encounter. And it's at moments like that one should realize how Anakin has has these utter sparks/moments of brilliance that just show how much potential is in him.
It's fricking Gohan syndrome from Dragonball Z, but in Star Wars.
Yes, it means that. But Anakin also states to Padme how he "wants more". Which not only hints at his lust for power of the political nature, but also his thirst for knowledge about the force.
If I'm not mistaken, in the fairly recent era of comics which are canon, there are not only moments of Anakin pre-teen times at the order (one panel shows the other younger kids talking smack about him for being "too emotional" and non jedi like, and one of the tutors just being shocked how insanely talented he is with a ligthsaber. Another piece of info we're given which ties to ROTS is actually the rank of master. Apparently you get access to the "forbidden section" of the library/archives once you achieve said rank, which is something Anakin desperately wants, not only in his lust for power, but to save Padme of course.
>Apparently you get access to the "forbidden section" of the library/archives once you achieve said rank, which is something Anakin desperately wants, not only in his lust for power, but to save Padme of course.
That is a detail from the RotS novelization, which was based on the script from the original 4-5 hour long version of Episode III that George scaled way back in the end
Okay, fair enough. I just didn't remember if it was the comic or the novels.
I don't read the comics but I know there's one comic where a young anakin is being made fun of and called a slave and he gets angry and takes the other padawan's light saber with the force and also turn it on while it was on the air and put it in front of him
>Younglings bullied him
Seems like Ani got the last laugh
I lost
>how the Jedi refuse teach him certain things
I think he said that because he wanted to learn a way to save padme and not because they're not teaching him advanced moves
He said that during Attack of the Clones
I haven't seen EP2 in a long time so I forget
anyway, before disney shit, anakin became a master at form V and he was the best form V jedi at the time
>anakin became a master at form V and he was the best form V jedi at the time
what
EU had fight forms for jedi
there were 7 forms and while anakin was trained in all forms, he liked form V and became a master at it
obi-wan was a master at form III, sore su
yoda was a master at form IV and windu in vapaad, which was part of form VII I think
Fanboys put way more thought into star wars than Lucas ever did
lucas did approve the novel of ep3 and that novel mentions vaapad and I think sore su too and I think that novel is still canon
The lightsaber form stuff comes directly from how they were doing the fight choreography for the PT
Frick off mouse Black person
I don't like the sequels either moron. Turns out more than one series of things can be bad
It's only mouse Black folk like you who shit on george when you don't even have a clue what you're talking about.
Your space opera for children is shit and not that deep. Cope zoomer
No one said it was, you're still the one wallowing in your own ignorance.
Woe is me for being ignorant of powerranger fighter types for my epic lightsaber heroes. God I love light sabers!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're here with the rest of us kiddo
You frickers keep shitting up my board with this goddamn space trash. Which would be fine but you idiots always act like the prequels are Shakespearian art too smart for the masses to understand. I will never tire of putting you kids to bed
I have no doubt I'm older than you. I only come to Cinemaphile occasionally these days to shit on nu wars. You guys let the reddit/discord/tumblr gays ruin what used to be the best board on Cinemaphile.
>reddit/discord/tumblr gays
Those are the prequelgays.
Keep outing yourself newbie. Most of those gays came here to shill nu wars.
Sweet, tender prequelteen delusion.
Why would teens give a frick about movies from 20 years ago? Zoomers like marvel.
Memes.
>yoda was a master at form IV
there's a whole form for being a midget too short to effectively swordfight a human-sized foe so you have to utilize insane acrobatics to bounce around all over the walls? Why didn't every Jedi just do that?
qui-gon used form IV too
Mace was a cuck who had to invent his own style just so he could claim to be a master of it. He couldn't cut it with the classic styles.
Its far worse than that. He's just using the Sith lightsaber style but making up bullshit as to why its okay. Nobody calls him on it because affirmative action I guess.
I always suspected yoda kept mace close because he was only a hair away from falling to the darkside. He really was the worst jedi.
Isn't Vapaad more of a force technique than an actual light saber form? Essentially a force induced battle trance that passively feeds off the dark side around you (including your opponents).
Yeah he pretty much had a free pass to use the darkside because the only person who could tell him off was yoda and it's not like they went on missions together.
Which is also a bit funny, because as far as I'm aware; though Mace is an absolute hoss in terms of combat prowess, his "real" bead and butter was actually diplomacy.
YES that's what it is
It's basically Uncle Iroh's lightning redirect ability
He brings the dark side of his opponent into himself and acts as a humble/neutral guide to redirect it back at the enemy, enhacing his fighting ability at the same time to bring his power up to theirs.
This lets him win against any dark side user because as a Jedi he can stay calm and focused during battle rather than getting emotional and off balance. Equal power plus better focus/calm energy means he wins.
Mace with his own power and no vapaad against sidious, he would have died not long after Kit Fisto
>calm and focused
>he is the traitor aaahhhhhhahh
yes
yes
yes
Mace is only as strong as Kenobi
>as wise as master yoda and as powerful as master windu
Kenobi is strong but not anywhere near Yoda/Sidious level
>to fight this darth sidious, strong enough, you are not
Windu won because of Vapaad and cause Palpatine was toying with him.
Anakin was stronger than Obiwan back in Ep2, and by Ep3 he was even stronger.
Obiwan got slapped by Dooku both times they fought. First time, Dooku toys with him the way Vader toyed with Luke in ESB, and in their second fight he just ragdolls him across the room.
Anakin gave Dooku a run for his money in Ep2 and then beat him in Ep3
Mace would lose against Dooku, Yoda, and Anakin yes
Obiwan lasted a lot longer against dooku than anakin did in episode 2.
>a full fledge jedi knight lasted more than an enrage padawan
oh no shocking
Anakin couldn't have beaten obi wan in episode 2
of course he couldn't, he was a fricking padawan and full of himself (yes, ep3 anakin was full of himself too but he calmed down a bit compared to ep2 anakin)
it was nice to see anakin using two lightsabers though
>it was nice to see anakin using two lightsabers though
True
>Obi being toyed with by Dooku
>Ani going toe to toe with him
G.L. already said Mace beat Sideous. Which is the entire point because Sideous beat Mace anyway.
Rey would btfo both of them.
Does kenobi have healing powers in his show?
who
Reynald de Chattion, a 12th century crusader.
Empress Rey
How anyone could turn the coolest lightsaber into the most uncool looking thing ever is honestly impressive.
women
>They didn't do a "Rey becomes bad and finn/poe have to get her back" storyline
Such a missed fricking opportunity holy shit
Imagine if RJ had a spine and actually had Rey take up Kylo's offer at the end of Last Jedi.
Seriously. What the frick it would've actually made for a satisfying story
I'd you didn't drop nu wars after tfa you never liked star wars to begin with
Its called being in denial can happen to anyone
There are nu wars generals here every day and you're still acting like the sequels could have been salvaged with minor changes. I suspect you're a frickjng reylo
Imagine if JJ had the balls to also kill Rey off.
There might've actually been a story in the Sequel Trilogy.
It was literally right there for the taking but no way they let Miss Mary Sue perfect have flaws.
>Good Kylo and Finn team up to turn Rey back to the light even though Kylo knows he's no match for her broken level powers.
That way they could have even used her being completely OP to the story's benefit.
Mace was the best because of that form or whatever dark side shit he could tap into. Mace>Yoda in lightsaber Yoda>Mace in like force feats of strength.
Mace was the superior duelist, and his style is meant to specifically deal with darkside abilities. At the time, Anakin wouldn't have beat Palpatine solo so its safe to say Mace would have won, however its made clear that had Anakin not gotten wrecked when he did he would have gone on to be stronger than everyone else with force powers.
>Could Anakin beat Mace in a straight up duel?
In episode 3?
No. And it would not have been close.
But in a few years he could have.
He would have fricked mace up.
All of Anakin's strong moments and wins in saber duels come from tapping into anger to overpower his opponent, wouldn't work on Mace Windu.
Nah mace would have been wrecked like dooku. He's a one trick pony.
Dooku lost because he was a shitty Sith that wasn't very good at tapping into the Dark Side, so got blindsided and overpowered by Anakin's tard rage outburst. Mace's style is entirely based around punishing crutching on Dark Side tard rage.
Dude Dooku was notoriously powerful and considered one of the best, if not the best, duelist. His old age had dulled him, but he was a serious threat. Even the Canon animated shows show he’s strong as frick with the force and uses lightning like it’s nothing against Savage
>Dude Dooku was notoriously powerful and considered one of the best, if not the best, duelist.
Him going to the Dark Side had zero baring on that, this was true when he was a Jedi. Point I'm making is that his skill with the lightsaber is entirely down to his own merits and training, he probably would have bested Mace even as old as he was because he wasn't using a Sith style that relied on drawing from anger or hate.
Dooku was old and way past his prime. Mace was in his prime while at the time Anakin was still learning. At that time Mace would have absolutely destroyed Anakin even though Anakin had more potential.
In his dreams. Mace was way beyond Anakin in ep 3.
what about vader?
he was still pretty powerful even if he was at 80% of his power
People keep talking about bringing one handed Mace back. One handed Mace would get wrecked by Vader.
R1 era Vader might be able to beat prequel Mace though because Vader had been honing his force powers for years with no light side limits.
Ani can only bully little kids.
At the time of Episode 3, before Anakin fell to the Dark Side, they're about equal in power, which is also about Dooku's level (Windu has an advantage in form against Dark Siders, though). Obi-Wan and the rest of the powerful Jedi of the era are a bit below that, and Yoda and Palpatine are a fair bit higher (but Yoda lacks staying power at that point in his life). Darth Vader reaches that level again at the peak of his ability, decades later.
Potentially, but in ROTS. Anakin at full power would merk anyone, though.
Probably not. Before Dooku left the Jedi Order, he was the only duelist that could semi-reliably defeat Mace Windu in lightsaber combat. Granted, Anakin won against Dooku, but only against an old Dooku who had been told by Sidious to go easy on him so they could both turn him to the dark side ; not to mention that Dooku defeated Anakin half a dozen times during the Clone Wars.
Therefore I don't see Anakin winning against a Dooku-tier duelist who's still in his prime, like Mace.
Not during movie 3. Mace was the best duelist among all Force users, Jedi and Siths.
In few years prime, unburnt Anakin would had been stronger thi
Legends Mace Windu believed he might be the Chosen One.
SHIEEET SO YOU BE SAYING WE WUZ CHOSEN ONEZ
He thought that he was the chosen one.
>Why did he hate Anakin so much?
He didn't. That entire talking point is made up by fandom who desperately want to put the blame on someone else for Anakin being a frick up. Mace is damage control for them basically.
Who blames Mace for Anakin's failings? Anakin did enough shit wrong to deserve where he ended up. But Mace was clearly set against him to a degree from the beginning.
>But Mace was clearly set against him to a degree from the beginning.
I don't believe this. If we constantly saw him having an attitude with Anakin in multiple situations maybe. but he was pretty respectful towards Anakin
There's a deleted scene where Obi-Wan asks Mace Windu if it is not a good idea to have Anakin watch over Padme considering they have a history together with Anakin being prone to give into emotion. Mace assures Obi-Wan that the best thing he can do is to trust his apprentice. Obviously this isn't canon since the scene was deleted, but every other scene was filmed with this intention being known.
It was all because Qui-Gon is a jobber.
Racial envy? Hair envy? Both?
if Anakin was so important why wasn't his training given to someone with more experience than Obi-wan who just stopped being a padawan when he takes on Anakin as one?
by qui-gon's words, obi-wan was ready to be a knight and he promised to train the boy and yoda reluctantly agreed
The prequel's appearance of being rushed and not thought-out is due to the fact that the prequel scripts were rushed and not thought-out
you forgot that obi-wan was always going to be vader's master since ANH?
Frick off mouse Black person
Yoda has a high WIS stat but a low INT stat. But my headcannon is that they were testing Anakin in some weird jedi way for giving him just normal teaching instead of special chosen one teachings.
Yeah like they already had to accept Anakin was going to be trained, why not making him an apprentice of someone with more experience.I like to think that in the time anaking was learning the basics in the temple, obi-wan was making sure to be competent and trustworthy enough to be in charge of anakin. Personally i would have assigned him with Plo koon
It never felt like it lined up with what Obi-Wan says in ROTJ, even ignoring the garbage prophecy. In TPM he says the Order won't stop him, but he still defers to Yoda and seeks permission, and is only in this position out of obligation to Qui-Gon. In ROTJ there's no such indication; one gets the sense that he did it of his own volition and arrogance: even if it wasn't outside the Jedi Order's view it was nevertheless on the basis of Obi-Wan's own authority and judgment. "I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong."
You literally put way more thought into this than Luca did
Tragic.
because star wars is homosexual normie shit, frick off back
>t. molested as a child
>>t. molested as a child
yeah, I guessed
>using the term “normie”
what else would I use? Star Wars fans are the cringiest "I'm a nerd lol" group in all of Sci-Fi, you're funko-pops personified.
>what else would I use? Star Wars fans are the cringiest "I'm a nerd lol" group in all of Sci-Fi, you're funko-pops personified.
Star Wars hasn't been good since 1980. Prequel gays are manchildren that cannot understand that one can say that both sequels and prequels are bad for different reasons
>Star Wars hasn't been good since 1980.
it's never, ever been good.
newbie zoomer, go back to giving money to your friend simulators
I'm sorry to say that your horribly written popcorn flicks made to sell toys doesn't hold up. I know you first watched them when you were 6 years old but it's time to stop being so attached to space operas
>using the term “normie”
go back, zoom zoom.
Anakin never had a father figure, so you'd think they'd relate on that at least.
Why? Mace was like the step dad who never wanted him around in the first place. He had yoda and obiwan for parental style guidance.
Obi was a brother and Yoda was a grandfather figure. Qui-Gon was the only one who could have been a true father to Anakin.
Yeah I understand that. I'm just saying those two would be the main people he would turn to when he needed help. gaygor mace couldn't even mask his contempt for a scared 9 year old child.
So why did contact yoda from the afterlife and not Anakin?
Presumably, Qui-Gon hadn't mastered the art himself and only Yoda was attuned enough in the Force to be able to contact at the time.
Whoosh.
No, his yearning for a parent/family figure in a singular individual rather than the order as a whole was something other jedi never agreed on with anakin
affirmative action enrollments always hate legacy kids
he didn't hate anakin, he distrusted him due to his lack of control, part of which was a projection of his own insecurities
mace's entire style of fighting was harnessing the rage within him to ride the edge of the dark side while still fighting for balance
he saw the conflict within anakin as an extension of his own, and combined with his prowess in the force as the chosen one, he was cautious to allow anakin any opportunity to experience the pull that he allowed himself to feel every time he fought
>Mace's lightsaber style basically does dark side shit where he taps into his lust for battle and emotions to fight
>B...BUT I'M STILL GOOD BECAUSE UH......BECAUSE I JUST AM OKAY???
Jedi light/dark lore is fricking stupid
he could smell anakin got pussy while he stuck to the volcel code
why didn't he hate obi-wan too?
he fricked satine
they were masters, they had earned that much. but anakin wanted to be on the council, be considered a master, and have his pussy too.
windu was a master too, why didn't he get some pussy?
concession he would make for that gay edging to the dark side while fighting thing he did.
vapaad is cool
and ki adi mundi had 4 wives
Anakin used to be a slave so he can't call him racist when convenient.
Because Ani was ungroomable.
>66
Shit wrong one
I can't believe Filoni got away with that episode
Why didn't he age at all in the ten years between TPM and AOTC
He looked like the war aged him a lot in rots
It is an ancient Jedi technique known as "Black don't Crack"
Envy. He was mad that Anakin was the chosen one, that Anakin was a better "angry Jedi" than him, that Anakin would have made the council faster even without Sheev, and that Anakin would likely eclipse him at some point.
Windu is powerful, and he's proof you can be a powerful Jedi but a poor Jedi. He's envious, he's wrathful, he has no problem with killing and he's so arrogant he damn near led the Jedi to their deaths at Geonosis.
He is the failings of the late Jedi order all in one very powerful man.
Perfect reason why Black folk shouldn’t be Jedi. The Jedi Council then fricked not being race realist
Im just imagining yoda quoting FBI racial crime statistics.
50 percent, 13 is.
Mace made sidious his b***h and darth vader is pussy whipped by sidious, go figure
>unstable white kid massacres an entire school
many such cases!
My headcanon is that Sheev and Yoda are the overall strongest in the force but Windu specializes in saber combat.
Dooku would destroy mace
If I was Anakin my rage for not being able to use force lightning because of my robo hands would probably make me the most powerful sith.
The Lego Star Wars gag with Anakin sitting down at a child's desk and pulling out a coloring book and crayons gave me a chuckle.
Which jedi had the biggest wiener?
That one alien fricker with a massive neck who also sits on the jedi council.
yaddle
This guy for sure
I know this can sound a bit like a cope but hear me out; when Lucas said Mace beat Sheev, he means their bout with sabers. Just because Mace has Palpatine "cornered" didn't mean that the fight was over or that Palpatine lost. We see Mace seriously struggling to keep the Emperor's lightning under control and one could make the argument Palps wasn't using it at full power to begin with to play on the whole "Anakin, help me, I'm too weak...", and afterwards see just how much power there was actually left
?t=211
Was he called Mace because his eyes looked like they were sprayed with mace?
well apparently it was justified
?t=209
uncanny voice acting and sound effects.
The prequels frickin sucked.
go away rich
True.
how does one make the sound at 4:16
repeatedly tap your throat while screaming
Because he was a little b***h, and you are a little b***h for not getting that
Lmao, there was nothing consistent in the sequels. The whole premise is utterly chaotic and fricked up and it's clear their were making shit up on the fly, because they were a bunch of talentless hollywood hacks. You can't "save" the sequels, because there is nothing to save.
If you want to make them "work", you'd have to do the whole thing again from ground up.
the first you time saw his purple lightsaber what did you think the reason was the in-universe explanation for it?
i thought black jedis get purple lightsabers
Mara Jade had it first
the first thing you thought when you saw mace's purple lightsaber for the first time was that some non-canon female character from something that only the most turbo autismo dorks read had it first?
okay, so when you first saw that cover with her wielding a purple lightsaber what did you think was the in-universe explanation for it was?
Purple is a girl's color
purple is the color of royalty and doesn't belong to either gender. the only true feminine color is pink and various shades of it.
>purple is the color of royalty
WE
are the crystal gems
we'll always save the day
and if you think we can't...
>non-canon
Disney shill get the frick out
eu never was and never has been canon. it's pure fanfiction that only exists within its own parameters never extending to the canon of the films.
Of all the things to try and grand stand about you pick the ones that George obviously read himself and liked, because he used very small details from the Thrawn Trilogy in the PT. Like the name of Coruscant.
I was a kid so I literally didn't care
it was cool and that's it
He dipped it in lean.
Well he was about to kill sidious and anakin fricked that up for him
So is it decided that Palpatine did lose or was he throwing on purpose?
Legit lost the fight, but it hardly mattressed. At any moment Palpatine could have squashed Mace like a bug via Force bullshit.
I know mace would beat him in a lightsaber duel but I do find it hard to believe palpy couldn't force destroyed mace's ass.
Cause he cut off his hand and helped kill him.
And he was white
holy shit this thread
>mace disliked anakin
He didn't, he was like demanding master. He actually expected Anakin to at one point take Yoda position, but he wanted Anakin to do it in proper time, slowly but steady, not jump into jedi master council just because he's op. Like nearly every interaction in the movie is mace telling Anakin to slow down and calm the frick down and be reasonable. he actually believed in Anakin even more than obi-wan at some point
>who's stronger
Yoda is more like master force user, while Mace was best fighter, having his special technique basing on being on edge of the dark side aka angry but not enough. Its not known why palpatine got fricked up by Mace, but the common theory is that he got too confident after killing every other jedi in the room under 1 minute. he was a yoda mirror, master planner and manipulator strong in the force. still strong, but not the best fighter possible
Its hard to gauge anakin yet alone when he becomes vader in suit. He also created his own style of fighting when in heavy, movemnt restricting suit. He was like a meatgrinder, slowly coming at you, using force to project extreme anger and hatred and then unleashing barrage of really heavy hits at you to completly crush your spirit. He alredy got stronger than his original on mustafar, just his cap changed due to disabilities, meaning he could actually beat mace in fight
Dooku coudln't beat anyone mentioned above. Its already questionable if he was stronger than Obi at this point, since he just luckily stunned him. he didnt land a saber blow
im pretty sure that any palpatine/obi/vader/mace fights would rely on luck and clever use of surrounding to win, not actual swordskills
Nice headcanon, homosexual.