>Times you acted like The Swimmer?
I've never acted like the Swimmer because I'm not a 50 year old unmedicated schizophrenic breaking into people's backyards to swim in their pools.
youd have to be schizo to not be envious of a man that knew his community well enough that he could drop by each of his old friends houses to say hello on the weekend
The other day I made a scene over a hotdog wagon and got kicked out of the party. But everyone there was such an NPC, and I carried myself with such power and presence, that they couldn't help but all line up and watch me stride away. Not that I noticed -- my princely head was already wreathed in clouds of thought.
Metaphor. The movie has a lot of symbolism and, like The Irishman, it's a bitter pill that the sooner you swallow the wiser your choices will be for the rest of your life bc you'll avoid the mistakes of their respective main characters
Anyone else think Susan Sarandon is kinda sexy? I think she shows nipple in that movie too
>Grindhouse Releasing
Kek. By American standards this is practically an art film now.
Happens a lot with films that aren't owned by a huge company like WB/paramount/etc and a boutique label ends up picking it up and getting a good scan of the print. They also have a nice release for The Big Gundown too.
It's always been an art film. Frank Perry and his screenwriter wife were very talented and meticulous. The movie's original source is a John Cheever short story.
Yes. The movie oscillates between dreamy and nightmarish, triumphant and pathetic, well connected and ostracized in a way that is matched by all of these nuances, many of them unsaid and subtly present in his natural and social surroundings.
It also has a type of haziness to it from his first somewhat odd/unexpected contact with this friends and ofc his pool to pool journey.
i like how it starts off slice of life/comedic and then quickly become a movie of growing old and missing out on all these people and things you once cherished, that sequence outside his trashed mansion in the end is tragic
Yes. His social persona slowly falls apart as he (and the viewer) gradually realize he's burdened by past mistakes until that brutal final scene. It's very cathartic in that we can sense why he ends up like that. Frolicking can only go so far
>thread reminds me of Burt Lancaster >remember my dad really like Burt Lancaster movies >wonder how he's doing >died the day I was born
I am the reincarnation of Burt Lancaster.
these are uncomfortably intimate shots of eyes and faces. I feel attacked just by a few seconds of footage. It shows a level of understanding way beyond most movies
when i watched it earlier this year I had the same thought that was >this is the best new movie ive seen in a couple years
since then ive been trying to pitch it door to door between internet, friends, and family
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I saw it over a year ago and thought the same but I purposely gatekept it. Don't want a thousand video essays and Reddit takes about it.
>JOAN RIVERS: you're no different from any other guy. >THE SWIMMER: Oh but I am! I'm a very special human being, noble and splendid.
*audience hooting and hollering*
fricking love this movie been trying to have a thread sine i watched it 87 days ago, powerful movie with heavy emotions out of nowhere, tragic realizations too
youd have to be schizo to not be envious of a man that knew his community well enough that he could drop by each of his old friends houses to say hello on the weekend
I swim and I’m a WASP who’s having some financial issues currently. Is this a film I will relate to?
It's very masculine in a way that makes us realize the passage of time for men specifically and the accrued effect of uncertain past choices.
The Swimmer's a cautionary lesson because it hints at mistakes made at the financial, marital/family and social levels, but the fact that these are just faint narrative sketches and implied aspects/fragments in the movie make it even more hard-hitting because the viewer is more empathetic towards Ned as we fill in the blanks with personal experiences or scenarios.
Ned is a man who on the surface level did everything right, he had a beautiful wife, a great job, great friends, good looks, from the outside he lived a perfect life but in reality at every turn in his life he made fatal mistakes that slowly unraveled his life from infidelity, to bad investments, losing job, to neglecting social relationships until he essentially went from having everything to having nothing without anyone even noticing, simple things like not checking in on old friends became the foundation for this failure in life and now he incomprehensibly has lost it all, part of it seems like the man failed to live in the moment back when his life meant something and now he just wants to live one day of his life back when things made sense but theres no going back not for long at least
Yes. It's hinted that he once had an affluent life, social standing and a family and lost it all. The way ppl treat him throughout the movie implies some were just oblivious to what went on, some were swindled/cheated by him, some had a vague idea of what had happened etc.
He seems to have been institutionalized because of a mental breakdown or something like that at some point. And his self-assured facade gradually gives way to a crestfallen demeanor: the way he's rejected by the young woman for instance is not generational as much as a result of him no longer having the status and confidence he once had.
Ned is a man who on the surface level did everything right, he had a beautiful wife, a great job, great friends, good looks, from the outside he lived a perfect life but in reality at every turn in his life he made fatal mistakes that slowly unraveled his life from infidelity, to bad investments, losing job, to neglecting social relationships until he essentially went from having everything to having nothing without anyone even noticing, simple things like not checking in on old friends became the foundation for this failure in life and now he incomprehensibly has lost it all, part of it seems like the man failed to live in the moment back when his life meant something and now he just wants to live one day of his life back when things made sense but theres no going back not for long at least
It's also about values. He lost it all because he values things completely different from the world. Strength, beauty, friendship, kindness -- as long as he has these things, what could go wrong? That's how he was raised as a WASP protege. The world actually values submission and "reliability", tests he failed because they're unimportant to a man.
did he really value friendship? sounds like he let go of several friendships because he was busy with his "life", take away that from your list and he basically only cared about himself and what he controlled
depends on what you mean by friendship. He didn't "value being a good husband" because he couldn't handle the grind, the same certainly applies to friendship. But should friendship be a grind? It's the difference between a first impression and a personality, or a living being and a reputation. Everyone recognizes a great man by looks and bearing, but how's his economic efficiency? Do we care?
>It's also about values. He lost it all because he values things completely different from the world. Strength, beauty, friendship, kindness -- as long as he has these things, what could go wrong?
Values in the sense of possessing valuable assets, yes
>Or a purgatory
same difference. the ending of the swimmers story is what perpetuates the beginning of the story, leading to a cycle he can never escape from.
to any anon who got the esoteric aspect of this movie you should check out Orson Welles' The Trial
Hell is more objectively punitive, whereas the purgatory ordeal has a cyclic nature to it: when the breaks down in front of his abandoned former house reality seems to set in.
In the Trial, it's a bit different because it's nothing that seems to have been caused by the main character, who is pursued rather than deciding on a journey as Ned does.
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the swimmer is being punished though, but i see your point, purgatory is probably the better description.
as for The Trial, oh hes guilty and and his crime is obvious if you read between the lines. theres a reason the painter who's harassed by the kids finds him such a kindred spirit..
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>oh hes guilty and and his crime is obvious if you read between the lines
I have to reread the novel bc I remember Joseph K as being genuinely confused by his ordeal. The Welles movie is great too
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the movie stands alone due to welles unique take. give it a rewatch. hes sent to purgatory but unlike the swimmers version wheres hes alone it like a dream, The Trial sees Josef being punished alongside others. take special note of the painter guy and his circumstances.
Josef knows what he did, and the mirror is held up to him many times, he just wont accept it. which is possibly why hes stuck there
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if you havent already seen them, Jacobs Ladder and After Hours both share this same theme as The Swimmer and The Trial.
obviously there's plenty more but they stand out too
>It's very masculine in a way that makes us realize the passage of time for men specifically and the accrued effect of uncertain past choices.
Which is another aspect of having a man almost naked for 95 minutes. If you completely abandoned your current life and its trappings, what could you do as a homeless vagabond with your muscles, skills, and mind. Could you prosper or would you starve. The unbound man is naked in a sense unclothed from his car, his home, his job, his hobbies, the distraction of TV & books.
Holy Shit, This Guy Is Taking Roy Off the Grid! This guy doesn't have a SSN for Roy!
If you remember THE INCREDIBLE HULK (1977) the vagabond genius is travelling from town to town, unfettered by society yet huddling close for survival. The dream of those too trapped by social demands and his unforgiving employer or greedy wife. To simply abandon the illusion of a dead end job and loveless marriage and flee elsewhere to another roll of the dice of fates. Why merely accept what society meagerly hands you like a housebroken dog? Strip off your suit, create a new identity and say a big, "frick you" to everyone that sucks the money from your pockets and joy from your soul. "I'm outta here, he says, middle fingers extended", and the door slams behind him.
>Which is another aspect of having a man almost naked for 95 minutes. If you completely abandoned your current life and its trappings, what could you do as a homeless vagabond with your muscles, skills, and mind. Could you prosper or would you starve. The unbound man is naked in a sense unclothed from his car, his home, his job, his hobbies, the distraction of TV & books.
The Naked Prey uses a similar premise but for objectively survivalist/action narrative purposes. >Why merely accept what society meagerly hands you like a housebroken dog? Strip off your suit, create a new identity and say a big, "frick you" to everyone that sucks the money from your pockets and joy from your soul. "I'm outta here, he says, middle fingers extended", and the door slams behind him.
Sometimes but keep in mind Ned's objective was reconnecting with his neighbors/friends/acquaintances and ultimately family/household.
if you knew Cinemaphile youd know this board collectively has an encyclopedic knowledge of all things film, that said its got a real classic dickykino scene with
fricking love this movie been trying to have a thread sine i watched it 87 days ago, powerful movie with heavy emotions out of nowhere, tragic realizations too
and its a film about an outsider guy who has a screw loose, besides being about wealth its very relevant to people on Cinemaphile
Could have helped but podcasts are not that influential and The Swimmer is a very well-known cult movie.
If anything, the Grindhouse Releasing beautifully remastered version is what gave it renewed attention
the way the movie starts with him just showing up at his old neighbors house for a quick dip is priceless, reading the premise of the movie i thought the yards were gonna be more connected
>that nudist backyard and all the borderline acid imagery
went in thinking it was gonna be an extraordinarily basic film, realized it was as 60s and hippie as they come
I saw it when I was 13 on a movie channel. Honestly it stayed in my head awhile, but all movies are basically bullshit. Distraction masquerading as art.
just like you forgive an older movie for being black and white or having cliche direction you forgive older movies for cheesy soundtracks, i dont even remember what it sounds like im picturing enchanting orchestral bits
>The 40 Year Old Swimmer >I'M GONNA SWIMMM I'M SWIMMING AAAHHHH
One of its most famous formal aspects is that Lancaster literally spends the entire movie in his trunks and nothing else, and yes he does swim on some of the pools
and balanced with plenty of trim to advance its visual appeal to all audiences
at the beginning he's burt fricking lancaster chilling in the heights of upper suburbia and boning the hot baby sitter... women want him and men want to be him.
And by the end it's a painful reminder of reality as time introduces a painful clarity
Yes. His persona is dismantled/eroded with a complete economy of means, scene by scene.
if you havent already seen them, Jacobs Ladder and After Hours both share this same theme as The Swimmer and The Trial.
obviously there's plenty more but they stand out too
Kino movies too! Though The Swimmer mostly takes place under the glaring summer sun, all of them have a type of journey into the night vibe
the Grindhouse Releasing blu ray release is fantastic and has a several hour long multipart documentary with some really interesting interviews, factoids and anecdotes
The way is face is shown upclose in this scene and previous one is unflinching
Aside from the Autism Factor of the Swimmer.
Let's shift perspective to first comprehend the bigger picture to understand the mindset of abandonment of social restrictions. First imagine or remember the worst flooding your town has experienced. If your town is seriously flooded, then what happens when the flooding is unrecoverable. Your basement is soaked, the first floor of your house is ruined. Power is out and the fridge is half submerged. A MENTAL SWITCH IS FLIPPED. Ever see guys frolicking on a flooded street, boating, laughing, doing waterskiing or fishing? There is a point where a sane man stops fighting the facts of the flood and says, "Frick it, everything is ruined, ain't got books or TV and sleeping upstairs is just depressing." Their brain just clicks and says, "Yep, I can't even try to fix this until the water drains away. So I'm going for a boat ride or getting the boys together to see what mischief we can do."
So we reach the end of the story, the happy life he once had in a ruined mansion and pained memories of his lost family. Sort of an autist mindset of "Why cannot we do EVERYTHING?"
The Swimmer is akin to a different kind of freedom following the horror of losing comfortable stability and reliable predictable life. When the flood comes and ruins all that you once prized, why despair entirely to the whims of nature? Renegotiate reality on your own terms. Change is inevitable and for those better off, usually unenviable. Even if your tiny "Empire of Dirt" is a soggy drowned anthill now, you still retain a belly of food, strong arms, strong back, a clever mind, and a sense of humor. The men that amuse themselves after a flood are the kind that the world cannot easily crush. Realize the power you still possess.
Water skiing on a flooded farm field in Renville, Minnesota | FOX 9 KMSP
Jet ski hero rescues Queensland flood victims | A Current Affair
Let's shift perspective to first comprehend the bigger picture to understand the mindset of abandonment of social restrictions. First imagine or remember the worst flooding your town has experienced. If your town is seriously flooded, then what happens when the flooding is unrecoverable. Your basement is soaked, the first floor of your house is ruined. Power is out and the fridge is half submerged. A MENTAL SWITCH IS FLIPPED. Ever see guys frolicking on a flooded street, boating, laughing, doing waterskiing or fishing? There is a point where a sane man stops fighting the facts of the flood and says, "Frick it, everything is ruined, ain't got books or TV and sleeping upstairs is just depressing." Their brain just clicks and says, "Yep, I can't even try to fix this until the water drains away. So I'm going for a boat ride or getting the boys together to see what mischief we can do."
So we reach the end of the story, the happy life he once had in a ruined mansion and pained memories of his lost family. Sort of an autist mindset of "Why cannot we do EVERYTHING?"
The Swimmer is akin to a different kind of freedom following the horror of losing comfortable stability and reliable predictable life. When the flood comes and ruins all that you once prized, why despair entirely to the whims of nature? Renegotiate reality on your own terms. Change is inevitable and for those better off, usually unenviable. Even if your tiny "Empire of Dirt" is a soggy drowned anthill now, you still retain a belly of food, strong arms, strong back, a clever mind, and a sense of humor. The men that amuse themselves after a flood are the kind that the world cannot easily crush. Realize the power you still possess.
Water skiing on a flooded farm field in Renville, Minnesota | FOX 9 KMSP
Jet ski hero rescues Queensland flood victims | A Current Affair
>I'm very surprised by the amount of people on here who have seen this movie lol
The sooner you realize that Cinemaphile is mainly populated by 40 year old men making $200k+ a year with schizophrenic tendencies that see the beauty in a film about a former WASP protege that threw away his life chasing delusions and pussy that ultimately ends up destroying his life but it takes doing breaking and enterings into his former neighbors pools and almost running away with a 17 year old for you to realize that then the healthier you will be to either stop posting here or embrace your inner /swimmer/
>Cinemaphile is mainly populated by 40 year old men making $200k+ a year with schizophrenic tendencies
This board would be much better if that was the case but we both know it isn't so anon. It's a zoom zoom and double digit iq brainlets mindbroken by the culture war jungle out there, it just doesn't seem that way when you're in one of the half a dozen or so boomer containment threads.
Maybe it's just because I'm a little out of it and I'm not in the mood for a drink or a discussion about the most recent RLM "review" or going to see a new "blockbuster" in theaters, but do you mind if I just take a lap in your pool?
Same, never heard of it and usually when I talk about 50's/60's movies I've just watched I don't get many replies. Gonna give this a watch though looks interesting.
Same, never heard of it and usually when I talk about 50's/60's movies I've just watched I don't get many replies. Gonna give this a watch though looks interesting.
Part of its enduring appeal is that it's visually dazzling (see the webms above), it's open ended/enigmatic, doesn't spell things out and it hints at issues that can and should be avoided. It's a movie that purges several types of fears and emotions
Because he is literally me
He's gotta win this competition with this rich jock to save the community center for negris and trains hard and wins. Typical 90s movie
He was hiding from the reality of his situation.
Kino film, btw.
Times you acted like The Swimmer?
every single day
my life is cope incarnate
>Times you acted like The Swimmer?
I've never acted like the Swimmer because I'm not a 50 year old unmedicated schizophrenic breaking into people's backyards to swim in their pools.
youd have to be schizo to not be envious of a man that knew his community well enough that he could drop by each of his old friends houses to say hello on the weekend
right now
The other day I made a scene over a hotdog wagon and got kicked out of the party. But everyone there was such an NPC, and I carried myself with such power and presence, that they couldn't help but all line up and watch me stride away. Not that I noticed -- my princely head was already wreathed in clouds of thought.
>The other day I made a scene over a hotdog wagon and got kicked out of the party
This is an A Confederacy of Dunces reference. Be honest now.
>I’m a WASP who’s having some financial issues currently
You are half of Cheever's characters, lol
>drop in on family unannounced
>eat their food
>leave unexpectedly
those two chicks in the back said they only frick swimmers
I WAS IN THE POOL!
this movie is basically the same plot as falling down if you think about it
>delusional boomer makes his way across LA on a sweltering summer day
Metaphor. The movie has a lot of symbolism and, like The Irishman, it's a bitter pill that the sooner you swallow the wiser your choices will be for the rest of your life bc you'll avoid the mistakes of their respective main characters
Reminded him of his youth
Burt Lancaster will forever remain the undisputed master of schizo kino.
I need to get around to watching Oysterman Weekend
executive action was so kino. We need more 60's conspiracy movies
>Burt Lancaster
Is the star of one of my favorite "old man with nothing left to lose" movies.
Anyone else think Susan Sarandon is kinda sexy? I think she shows nipple in that movie too
Happens a lot with films that aren't owned by a huge company like WB/paramount/etc and a boutique label ends up picking it up and getting a good scan of the print. They also have a nice release for The Big Gundown too.
LEMON. BATH. LEMON BATH.
if by “kinda sexy” you mean “extraordinarily, heart-beating-out-of-chest sexy”, then yeah.
>I think she shows nipple in that movie too
SS goes full frontal
>Anyone else think Susan Sarandon is kinda sexy?
I think that's a widely held belief.
Hnnnggggg
I was actually just about to post about how much I hate that fugly c**t in any movie she's in
Rude
Sorry Susan but you have a serious case of butterface
Louis "My Dinner with Andre" Malle?
Yes, also Louis "Pretty Baby" Malle.
I liked him in Atlantic City
>when you talk about 'The Swimmer' will you talk about yourself?
What did he mean by this
the character of the titular Swimmer is literally me
>Grindhouse Releasing
Kek. By American standards this is practically an art film now.
It's always been an art film. Frank Perry and his screenwriter wife were very talented and meticulous. The movie's original source is a John Cheever short story.
Yup. I keep forgetting to finish that 70s one with Tuesday Weld.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1964/07/18/the-swimmer
He had a very perceptive psychological approached which was embedded in very specific examples of the American social milieu
The seasons changing slowly in the background over the course of that single day is absolute genius.
Yes. The movie oscillates between dreamy and nightmarish, triumphant and pathetic, well connected and ostracized in a way that is matched by all of these nuances, many of them unsaid and subtly present in his natural and social surroundings.
It also has a type of haziness to it from his first somewhat odd/unexpected contact with this friends and ofc his pool to pool journey.
i like how it starts off slice of life/comedic and then quickly become a movie of growing old and missing out on all these people and things you once cherished, that sequence outside his trashed mansion in the end is tragic
>that sequence outside his trashed mansion in the end is tragic
It's also kind of terrifying.
Yes. His social persona slowly falls apart as he (and the viewer) gradually realize he's burdened by past mistakes until that brutal final scene. It's very cathartic in that we can sense why he ends up like that. Frolicking can only go so far
I still need/want to see Diary of a Mad Housewife
There used to be a good quality torrent available
It's good despite that fricking homosexual Richard Benjamin. God I hate him.
Disrespectful little zoom zoom. Look at
and how his body is actually tighter than hers.
Faustian Spirit
He swam.
So he could be Burt Seacaster
>thread reminds me of Burt Lancaster
>remember my dad really like Burt Lancaster movies
>wonder how he's doing
>died the day I was born
I am the reincarnation of Burt Lancaster.
Ulzana's Raid 2 when?
It'll be out when it's out
I liked the part where he swam
I'm gooooonna swiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim
Is this a good movie to watch if I've swam before
ironically no, Lancaster couldn't swim
I just watched this last night... wtf.
He's swimming
I guess the tagline is true
Maybe so...
these are uncomfortably intimate shots of eyes and faces. I feel attacked just by a few seconds of footage. It shows a level of understanding way beyond most movies
There's recency bias on my part but I think its probably one of the best movies ever made.
when i watched it earlier this year I had the same thought that was
>this is the best new movie ive seen in a couple years
since then ive been trying to pitch it door to door between internet, friends, and family
I saw it over a year ago and thought the same but I purposely gatekept it. Don't want a thousand video essays and Reddit takes about it.
>OH MY GOD....
>IS THAT A POOL FULL OF CHLORINATED WATER?!?
>AGGGGHHHH
>I THINK.... UGHHHHH
>I THINK I'M GONNA SWOOOOM!!!!!!!!
the guy was a hard-boiled orphan gymnast IRL nightwing, but Hollywood actors always manage to be impractical somehow
>If there's anything you need, anything at all, come to me. I'm your guardian angel.
>techno beat starts
>JOAN RIVERS: you're no different from any other guy.
>THE SWIMMER: Oh but I am! I'm a very special human being, noble and splendid.
*audience hooting and hollering*
Oh shit. Juno Reactor sampled the Swimmer?
can’t flim flam the swim swam
My bad here's the bigger one
It reflects the unreliable narrator's hazy recollections and outlook
>muh psychedelic effects to mirror the inner struggles of characters
the sixties were a mistake
He was moronic
film nerdslop movies give me the ick
fricking love this movie been trying to have a thread sine i watched it 87 days ago, powerful movie with heavy emotions out of nowhere, tragic realizations too
It's very masculine in a way that makes us realize the passage of time for men specifically and the accrued effect of uncertain past choices.
The Swimmer's a cautionary lesson because it hints at mistakes made at the financial, marital/family and social levels, but the fact that these are just faint narrative sketches and implied aspects/fragments in the movie make it even more hard-hitting because the viewer is more empathetic towards Ned as we fill in the blanks with personal experiences or scenarios.
Ned is a man who on the surface level did everything right, he had a beautiful wife, a great job, great friends, good looks, from the outside he lived a perfect life but in reality at every turn in his life he made fatal mistakes that slowly unraveled his life from infidelity, to bad investments, losing job, to neglecting social relationships until he essentially went from having everything to having nothing without anyone even noticing, simple things like not checking in on old friends became the foundation for this failure in life and now he incomprehensibly has lost it all, part of it seems like the man failed to live in the moment back when his life meant something and now he just wants to live one day of his life back when things made sense but theres no going back not for long at least
Yes. It's hinted that he once had an affluent life, social standing and a family and lost it all. The way ppl treat him throughout the movie implies some were just oblivious to what went on, some were swindled/cheated by him, some had a vague idea of what had happened etc.
He seems to have been institutionalized because of a mental breakdown or something like that at some point. And his self-assured facade gradually gives way to a crestfallen demeanor: the way he's rejected by the young woman for instance is not generational as much as a result of him no longer having the status and confidence he once had.
It's also about values. He lost it all because he values things completely different from the world. Strength, beauty, friendship, kindness -- as long as he has these things, what could go wrong? That's how he was raised as a WASP protege. The world actually values submission and "reliability", tests he failed because they're unimportant to a man.
did he really value friendship? sounds like he let go of several friendships because he was busy with his "life", take away that from your list and he basically only cared about himself and what he controlled
depends on what you mean by friendship. He didn't "value being a good husband" because he couldn't handle the grind, the same certainly applies to friendship. But should friendship be a grind? It's the difference between a first impression and a personality, or a living being and a reputation. Everyone recognizes a great man by looks and bearing, but how's his economic efficiency? Do we care?
He was a shitbag.
Read the story, it's only two pages long.
They sound like totally different art forms. In text, you're self inserting regardless of how moronic he acts.
>It's also about values. He lost it all because he values things completely different from the world. Strength, beauty, friendship, kindness -- as long as he has these things, what could go wrong?
Values in the sense of possessing valuable assets, yes
Interesting. Or a purgatory
>Or a purgatory
same difference. the ending of the swimmers story is what perpetuates the beginning of the story, leading to a cycle he can never escape from.
to any anon who got the esoteric aspect of this movie you should check out Orson Welles' The Trial
Hell is more objectively punitive, whereas the purgatory ordeal has a cyclic nature to it: when the breaks down in front of his abandoned former house reality seems to set in.
In the Trial, it's a bit different because it's nothing that seems to have been caused by the main character, who is pursued rather than deciding on a journey as Ned does.
the swimmer is being punished though, but i see your point, purgatory is probably the better description.
as for The Trial, oh hes guilty and and his crime is obvious if you read between the lines. theres a reason the painter who's harassed by the kids finds him such a kindred spirit..
>oh hes guilty and and his crime is obvious if you read between the lines
I have to reread the novel bc I remember Joseph K as being genuinely confused by his ordeal. The Welles movie is great too
the movie stands alone due to welles unique take. give it a rewatch. hes sent to purgatory but unlike the swimmers version wheres hes alone it like a dream, The Trial sees Josef being punished alongside others. take special note of the painter guy and his circumstances.
Josef knows what he did, and the mirror is held up to him many times, he just wont accept it. which is possibly why hes stuck there
if you havent already seen them, Jacobs Ladder and After Hours both share this same theme as The Swimmer and The Trial.
obviously there's plenty more but they stand out too
>It's very masculine in a way that makes us realize the passage of time for men specifically and the accrued effect of uncertain past choices.
Which is another aspect of having a man almost naked for 95 minutes. If you completely abandoned your current life and its trappings, what could you do as a homeless vagabond with your muscles, skills, and mind. Could you prosper or would you starve. The unbound man is naked in a sense unclothed from his car, his home, his job, his hobbies, the distraction of TV & books.
Holy Shit, This Guy Is Taking Roy Off the Grid! This guy doesn't have a SSN for Roy!
If you remember THE INCREDIBLE HULK (1977) the vagabond genius is travelling from town to town, unfettered by society yet huddling close for survival. The dream of those too trapped by social demands and his unforgiving employer or greedy wife. To simply abandon the illusion of a dead end job and loveless marriage and flee elsewhere to another roll of the dice of fates. Why merely accept what society meagerly hands you like a housebroken dog? Strip off your suit, create a new identity and say a big, "frick you" to everyone that sucks the money from your pockets and joy from your soul. "I'm outta here, he says, middle fingers extended", and the door slams behind him.
>Which is another aspect of having a man almost naked for 95 minutes. If you completely abandoned your current life and its trappings, what could you do as a homeless vagabond with your muscles, skills, and mind. Could you prosper or would you starve. The unbound man is naked in a sense unclothed from his car, his home, his job, his hobbies, the distraction of TV & books.
The Naked Prey uses a similar premise but for objectively survivalist/action narrative purposes.
>Why merely accept what society meagerly hands you like a housebroken dog? Strip off your suit, create a new identity and say a big, "frick you" to everyone that sucks the money from your pockets and joy from your soul. "I'm outta here, he says, middle fingers extended", and the door slams behind him.
Sometimes but keep in mind Ned's objective was reconnecting with his neighbors/friends/acquaintances and ultimately family/household.
let me be your guardian angel ill always be there for you even though ive been gone since you were little lets just go back to how things used to be
disgusting display of flabby flesh and sinful sensuality
I swim and I’m a WASP who’s having some financial issues currently. Is this a film I will relate to?
This movie will make you have a nice day.
Not if the hypothetical guy described here
has the other aspects of his life under control. In the swimmer, the guy seemed detached from his family
have you grown detached from people you once warmly knew that are still in the community?
ive been mentioning it every week since i saw it
How does this movie have any traction on Cinemaphile? Did an epic youtuber talk about it?
We're allowed to talk about 1 good movie a day that's not part of a multi billion dollar franchise.
I watched it because of a tweet I saw recently, but I think it had already been in my watch list. It's on Amazon Prime.
someone posted about it here months ago and it’s snowballed because people think it’s funny to say “I swim” like driver and similar titled movies
if you knew Cinemaphile youd know this board collectively has an encyclopedic knowledge of all things film, that said its got a real classic dickykino scene with
and its a film about an outsider guy who has a screw loose, besides being about wealth its very relevant to people on Cinemaphile
>dickykino scene
It's creepy but she was 20 years old
its the dynamic that makes it a borderline pedo sequence
That's true.
It's mythological: the faun who can no longer seduce the nymph. It's above conventional morality and highly symbolic
Gilbert Gottfried used to bring it up frequently on his podcast which put it on the radars of genX and boomers
what did he say about it?
He loved it and thought it was under appreciated, which it was for too long, but as a 'strange' film.
Could have helped but podcasts are not that influential and The Swimmer is a very well-known cult movie.
If anything, the Grindhouse Releasing beautifully remastered version is what gave it renewed attention
the way the movie starts with him just showing up at his old neighbors house for a quick dip is priceless, reading the premise of the movie i thought the yards were gonna be more connected
Could The Big Lebowski be a stealth sequel?
>that nudist backyard and all the borderline acid imagery
went in thinking it was gonna be an extraordinarily basic film, realized it was as 60s and hippie as they come
I’ve heard it been referred to as a 60s movie that turns into a 70s movie
I saw it when I was 13 on a movie channel. Honestly it stayed in my head awhile, but all movies are basically bullshit. Distraction masquerading as art.
this movie sums up the human condition and the passing of time artfully, it is certainly art
It celebrates failure. Movies and TV are are anti-art=fake and gaywgh
It's an indictment of failure (defined, in this context, as not prioritizing your family and maintaining a good professional reputation)
This movie would be way better with a less cheesy soundtrack
just like you forgive an older movie for being black and white or having cliche direction you forgive older movies for cheesy soundtracks, i dont even remember what it sounds like im picturing enchanting orchestral bits
hes in hell, like sisyphus but with swimming
i'll post more webms if there's a /film/ thread up later
>tummykino
Soft tummy flesh.
What a tease
that's rape
>movie called the swimmer
>none of the webm's posted have any swimming
One of its most famous formal aspects is that Lancaster literally spends the entire movie in his trunks and nothing else, and yes he does swim on some of the pools
and balanced with plenty of trim to advance its visual appeal to all audiences
at the beginning he's burt fricking lancaster chilling in the heights of upper suburbia and boning the hot baby sitter... women want him and men want to be him.
And by the end it's a painful reminder of reality as time introduces a painful clarity
Yes. His persona is dismantled/eroded with a complete economy of means, scene by scene.
Kino movies too! Though The Swimmer mostly takes place under the glaring summer sun, all of them have a type of journey into the night vibe
yeah, you get it
he swims in every pool
the Grindhouse Releasing blu ray release is fantastic and has a several hour long multipart documentary with some really interesting interviews, factoids and anecdotes
GOAT, to borrow the parlance of the youth
It's wonderful in form and content: the 3-disc edition also had a poster etc
35 bucks (but USA/Canada only):
https://shop.grindhousereleasing.com/products/the-swimmer-1968-3-disc-blu-ray-dvd-cd-soundtrack-embossed-slipcover
>The 40 Year Old Swimmer
>I'M GONNA SWIMMM I'M SWIMMING AAAHHHH
I swear this bit in particular is the dance Crispin Glover does in Friday the 13th Part 5.
The way is face is shown upclose in this scene and previous one is unflinching
The Swimmer is a cautionary lesson
Aside from the Autism Factor of the Swimmer.
Let's shift perspective to first comprehend the bigger picture to understand the mindset of abandonment of social restrictions. First imagine or remember the worst flooding your town has experienced. If your town is seriously flooded, then what happens when the flooding is unrecoverable. Your basement is soaked, the first floor of your house is ruined. Power is out and the fridge is half submerged. A MENTAL SWITCH IS FLIPPED. Ever see guys frolicking on a flooded street, boating, laughing, doing waterskiing or fishing? There is a point where a sane man stops fighting the facts of the flood and says, "Frick it, everything is ruined, ain't got books or TV and sleeping upstairs is just depressing." Their brain just clicks and says, "Yep, I can't even try to fix this until the water drains away. So I'm going for a boat ride or getting the boys together to see what mischief we can do."
So we reach the end of the story, the happy life he once had in a ruined mansion and pained memories of his lost family. Sort of an autist mindset of "Why cannot we do EVERYTHING?"
The Swimmer is akin to a different kind of freedom following the horror of losing comfortable stability and reliable predictable life. When the flood comes and ruins all that you once prized, why despair entirely to the whims of nature? Renegotiate reality on your own terms. Change is inevitable and for those better off, usually unenviable. Even if your tiny "Empire of Dirt" is a soggy drowned anthill now, you still retain a belly of food, strong arms, strong back, a clever mind, and a sense of humor. The men that amuse themselves after a flood are the kind that the world cannot easily crush. Realize the power you still possess.
Water skiing on a flooded farm field in Renville, Minnesota | FOX 9 KMSP
Jet ski hero rescues Queensland flood victims | A Current Affair
Because he was not just A swimmer, he was THE swimmer
Checked I'm going to send this to my friends whenever they're drunk
I'm very surprised by the amount of people on here who have seen this movie lol
It's got all the charm and meme appeal for people to give it a chance, and because it's a good movie people like it and continue to recommend it.
I just happened to watch it when it was on criterion channel a few months ago
>I'm very surprised by the amount of people on here who have seen this movie lol
The sooner you realize that Cinemaphile is mainly populated by 40 year old men making $200k+ a year with schizophrenic tendencies that see the beauty in a film about a former WASP protege that threw away his life chasing delusions and pussy that ultimately ends up destroying his life but it takes doing breaking and enterings into his former neighbors pools and almost running away with a 17 year old for you to realize that then the healthier you will be to either stop posting here or embrace your inner /swimmer/
>Cinemaphile is mainly populated by 40 year old men making $200k+ a year with schizophrenic tendencies
This board would be much better if that was the case but we both know it isn't so anon. It's a zoom zoom and double digit iq brainlets mindbroken by the culture war jungle out there, it just doesn't seem that way when you're in one of the half a dozen or so boomer containment threads.
Maybe it's just because I'm a little out of it and I'm not in the mood for a drink or a discussion about the most recent RLM "review" or going to see a new "blockbuster" in theaters, but do you mind if I just take a lap in your pool?
The frens present in this thread are always welcome to the /film/ pool.
Same, never heard of it and usually when I talk about 50's/60's movies I've just watched I don't get many replies. Gonna give this a watch though looks interesting.
Part of its enduring appeal is that it's visually dazzling (see the webms above), it's open ended/enigmatic, doesn't spell things out and it hints at issues that can and should be avoided. It's a movie that purges several types of fears and emotions
its on tubi
its a classic in the vein of falling down, any certified Cinemaphile user would know it or watch it after this thread
burt kino
>radical bleh!
Does he discover an abandoned pool and goes insane?
Watch the movie.
maybe.. I will
the abandoned pool is his own mind
It's like At World's End but with swimming pools
read the short story and you'll understand
Diana Muldaur
>when you're Ned but you had nothing to begin with