Back in the day, children's properties would burn out after they ran their course. I remember this being advertised, but it hit video before I gave it a second thought. Turtlemania had died. You can look at the movie, and say that it failed because of how terrible it was, but T2 did just fine.
bullshitass motherfricker. TMNT had very adult themes throughout. it wasn't until TMNT 2 that had childishness ramped up to 11. TMNT 3 was both childish and boring.
>TMNT had very adult themes throughout.
No it doesn't. That wasn't even my point though - adults didn't like these movies. As good as the first TMNT is, it was strictly a kid's thing, just like something like Minions is nowadays. Adults didn't watch these movies. >TMNT 2 had childishness ramped up
And TMNT 2 was beloved by kids. We ate that shit up. Lots of us liked it more than the first. Because we were kids, and we were dumb - but we were the audience for these movies. Boomers weren't like Millennials. They didn't love TMNT. They weren't disappointed that the sequels weren't as good as the original. They didn't care. They were kid's movies.
>No it doesn't.
TMNT had themes of death, family, sacrifice and forgiveness. >Adults didn't watch these movies.
They weren't made for adults. Kids loved them. And kids that love them then still love them today. TMNT 1 is better than any Marvel movie. >And TMNT 2 was beloved by kids.
1 is more beloved.
>Even as a kid I liked 3 the least.
This. We routinely watched the 1 and 2 VHS tapes at home. I believe we owned the 3 tape but I have no memory of seeing it except in the theater
I went through the three turtle movies recently and the cartoon sound effects in the third almost made me turn it off. I hear boing and shit and it's like are you fricking joking?
Bingo. TMNT 3 failed because turtlemania ran its course. The less and less effort put into the movies was just a symptom of that. They knew they had to cash in while the getting was good. Zoomers don't understand this because we live in world now where franchises are eternal and constantly rebooted.
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You overestimate kids, who were the only audience for TMNT back then. Adults still watched movies aimed at adults.
>2nd one terrible
i'm 41, we all loved the 2nd one
I'm 34, the second one is really forgettable but I loved the first and third. I think Japan is based to this day, mind you, so maybe that's just a factor. Born weeb.
So many directions and villians they could use they make this generic garbage plot. Probably israelites trying to get out of as many royalty payments as possible
Slum frick NYC was the setting they worked in. They're not actually samurai, they're poor kids that do karate in the rathole next to the dry cleaning place.
Slum frick NYC was the setting they worked in. They're not actually samurai, they're poor kids that do karate in the rathole next to the dry cleaning place.
Oddly I liked the feudal Japan setting. Guess I was a weeb even then.
90s kids were not interested in feudal Japan. They were interested in green ooze, gross villains, badass catchphrases, and pizza. Whoever made this movie fumbled the bag.
This. Mario Brothers movies failed for the same reason. Live action takes away some of the magic. The newest animated Mario movie was amazing. Because the source material was animated.
The movie would have failed even if it were good. Kids in 1993 were interested in things mighty, morphing, and powerful.
Perfect example of above. Power Rangers source material was live action, so it was a small leap to a live action movie. It was literally just an extended episode of Power Rangers. As opposed to TMNT, where you have to adjust to weird costumes, weird voices, and contrived settings.
It was great but forgettable if you were a kid. Revisiting things via the internet exposes how bad everything is. All a kids thing needed to have was hype.
After a freak accident during a science experiment, the four Ninja Turtles and their ally April O'Neil are transported back in time to feudal Japan. They land in the midst of a bitter conflict between rival samurai clans vying for control of the nation.
Trapped in this strange ancient world, the Turtles struggle to blend in and understand the complex codes of honor governing the samurai's existence. However, their teenage antics and intense martial arts abilities quickly draw the attention of the powerful warlord Shredder, who has also been mysticially transported to this era.
Shredder wastes no time in sowing discord between the clans, positioning himself to take control by pinning the Turtles as dangerous ronin (masterless samurai). With ninja assassins on their trail, the Turtles are forced to seek refuge with one of the honorable samurai clans.
As the clans descend into all-out war, the Turtles find themselves embroiled in epic battles involving samurai sword fights, ninja stealth tactics, and feudal Japanese martial arts. Their radical style clashes with the ancient codes, but also inspires those wearied by the cycle of violence.
In the end, the Turtles must help broker peace between the clans by discrediting the dishonorable Shredder. An explosive final showdown with swords, ninjutsu, and intense hand-to-hand combat will decide the fate of feudal Japan - and whether the Turtles can ever return home.
This is super fricking easy and I'm genuinely shocked the filmmakers fricked it up.
>No cool villain for a cool fight.
That's it. Kids fricking loved turtles, but they didn't make their action figures just stand around cracking jokes, they bashed the little frickers into each other and pretended it was a massive life or death battle. Why do you think the first one took off like a rocket? Raph's beatdown and the fight against Shredder were just like what those little kids saw in their mind when they bought so much useless tat. The third movie didn't have a cool fight in it, simple as. Nothing more, nothing less.
>Shredder is not in it, right?
Honestly, much as I loved TMNT as a kid and think fondly of it today, Shredder is really the only seriously kino villain they have. Series always goes downhill when he isn't around.
>The UK version removed Eastern fighting weapons like the nunchaku, using alternate shots of Michaelangelo in order to conceal his nunchaku weapon, or omitting the show-off duel between Michaelangelo and a member of the Foot clan. Also, the scene of Shredder in the garbage shred was heavily edited and the Turtle Power song was edited to change the word 'ninja' to 'hero' as per the UK television series. The unedited version was released on DVD in 2004 in the UK.[15]
The Bong fears the melee weapon. Even now they are under siege from knives that people refuse to bin. I'm surprised they didn't make Casey give up his cricket bats and other assorted weapons too
Jim died during the second movie and had no involvement in the third. This is why the camera work is shit, the lighting is shit, the costumes are shit, everything looks like shit. I don't know who's responsible for the story, but it too sucked huge butthole. Everything about it was terrible. My guess is all the talent left after Jim died and nobody worth a cent was involved with the third movie. It was just moronic, no talent peons, trying to cash in on the success of the last two for Schlomo, which resulted in bad stories, bad music, bad costume design, bad movie
I don't remember ever watching this as a kid and I was 10 when it came out. Had tons of movies at home (including the first two) and rented all the time but never saw it until way later. No idea what happened. Second movie was huge and everyone loved it. This one was never even talked about. My friend and age group was too old for Power Rangers so it wasn't a replacement like it was for the younger kids. We still loved the arcade game and even the NES bullshit one but yeah this movie just passed by.
Me and my brother and cousins loved Turtles 2 and watched it a bunch of times, and 3 was one of the biggest rental disappointments that I remember. I was a kid so I couldn't explain why but it was obvious very early in the movie that it was just kinda lame.
>Tfw I'm currently rewatching the three of them
I'm halfway through Ooze, and all I could remember from my childhood was the intro of Ooze and then the samurai stuff of the third.
Having them go back in time was dumb. Turtles in Time was a great game, but they were always fighting major Turtle villains in every time frame. Movie should have had Krang as the villain. Or the Rat King. Or Killer Croc. They also should have introduced the Turtle van and the communicators.
I'm not (youtube) sure where (youtube) this revisionist history (a fricking youtuber said it) comes from, but 2 was considered the peak turtles film. It's the one you and all of your friends talked about. 1 was great but a little dull in comparison. I've never seen 3.
t. 40yr old sick of watching the 90's rewritten by sperm that wasn't there
>Kids like the cartoon >Have nothing resembling the cartoon in it
I really have to wonder why Hollywood writers do this with adaptation. Making a film based on a kids show is easy money, all they have to do is watch a few eps
I remember TMNT being the first movie I saw in theaters expecting to be bad (I don't know why I was cynical about it, I don't remember what the first movie I considered "bad" was) but then thinking it turned out better than anticipated
Back in the day, children's properties would burn out after they ran their course. I remember this being advertised, but it hit video before I gave it a second thought. Turtlemania had died. You can look at the movie, and say that it failed because of how terrible it was, but T2 did just fine.
tmnt2 was great though.
Doubled down on what made the 2nd one terrible instead of going back to why the first one was kino.
Many such cases
You overestimate kids, who were the only audience for TMNT back then. Adults still watched movies aimed at adults.
bullshitass motherfricker. TMNT had very adult themes throughout. it wasn't until TMNT 2 that had childishness ramped up to 11. TMNT 3 was both childish and boring.
>TMNT had very adult themes throughout.
No it doesn't. That wasn't even my point though - adults didn't like these movies. As good as the first TMNT is, it was strictly a kid's thing, just like something like Minions is nowadays. Adults didn't watch these movies.
>TMNT 2 had childishness ramped up
And TMNT 2 was beloved by kids. We ate that shit up. Lots of us liked it more than the first. Because we were kids, and we were dumb - but we were the audience for these movies. Boomers weren't like Millennials. They didn't love TMNT. They weren't disappointed that the sequels weren't as good as the original. They didn't care. They were kid's movies.
ok kiddo
I'll take that as an admission of defeat.
>No it doesn't.
TMNT had themes of death, family, sacrifice and forgiveness.
>Adults didn't watch these movies.
They weren't made for adults. Kids loved them. And kids that love them then still love them today. TMNT 1 is better than any Marvel movie.
>And TMNT 2 was beloved by kids.
1 is more beloved.
>TMNT had very adult themes throughout.
Even if this was true it doesn't mean adults actually watched it, hence why the two sequels had more kid shit.
I was like 6 or 7 when this movie came out.
I saw it in the theatre and even then I knew it was a shitty movie.
Even as a kid I liked 3 the least.
>Even as a kid I liked 3 the least.
This. We routinely watched the 1 and 2 VHS tapes at home. I believe we owned the 3 tape but I have no memory of seeing it except in the theater
>You overestimate kids, who were the only audience for TMNT back then
Even as a child I knew this movie was fricking trash
>You overestimate kids, who were the only audience for TMNT back then.
Then why didn't Ninja Turtles III do well?
i was a kid when it came out and i thought it fricking sucked
>Doubled down on what made the 2nd one terrible instead of going back to why the first one was kino.
elaborate
No.
The costumes were goofier looking, the lighting and sets were TV Show tier, cartoon sound effects
I went through the three turtle movies recently and the cartoon sound effects in the third almost made me turn it off. I hear boing and shit and it's like are you fricking joking?
>2nd one terrible
i'm 41, we all loved the 2nd one
Bingo. TMNT 3 failed because turtlemania ran its course. The less and less effort put into the movies was just a symptom of that. They knew they had to cash in while the getting was good. Zoomers don't understand this because we live in world now where franchises are eternal and constantly rebooted.
>made half as much as the first one
>we all loved it
cause you're based
Absolute kino
Were 80s/90s grit core NY the greatest aesthetic?
have americans always eaten food on the streets like starving savages?
Street vendors don't have seats in murrica.
>shit costumes
>shit plot
>shit writting
I'm 34, the second one is really forgettable but I loved the first and third. I think Japan is based to this day, mind you, so maybe that's just a factor. Born weeb.
No real villain. They should have had a villain from their time go back with them or something.
So many directions and villians they could use they make this generic garbage plot. Probably israelites trying to get out of as many royalty payments as possible
Because ninjas aren't samurais
Typical modern audiences fallacy
>Have show called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
>Make them samurais.
Making raphs grooming of the little jap boy a central part of the plot was a big mistake. it also didnt have a cool monster villain.
Slum frick NYC was the setting they worked in. They're not actually samurai, they're poor kids that do karate in the rathole next to the dry cleaning place.
>time travel from NYC
>end up in Japan
Oddly I liked the feudal Japan setting. Guess I was a weeb even then.
The earth was rotating and they ended up in a different spot from NYC
90s kids were not interested in feudal Japan. They were interested in green ooze, gross villains, badass catchphrases, and pizza. Whoever made this movie fumbled the bag.
The movie would have failed even if it were good. Kids in 1993 were interested in things mighty, morphing, and powerful.
This. Mario Brothers movies failed for the same reason. Live action takes away some of the magic. The newest animated Mario movie was amazing. Because the source material was animated.
Perfect example of above. Power Rangers source material was live action, so it was a small leap to a live action movie. It was literally just an extended episode of Power Rangers. As opposed to TMNT, where you have to adjust to weird costumes, weird voices, and contrived settings.
Help! I've FAILen and I can't get up!
It was great but forgettable if you were a kid. Revisiting things via the internet exposes how bad everything is. All a kids thing needed to have was hype.
After a freak accident during a science experiment, the four Ninja Turtles and their ally April O'Neil are transported back in time to feudal Japan. They land in the midst of a bitter conflict between rival samurai clans vying for control of the nation.
Trapped in this strange ancient world, the Turtles struggle to blend in and understand the complex codes of honor governing the samurai's existence. However, their teenage antics and intense martial arts abilities quickly draw the attention of the powerful warlord Shredder, who has also been mysticially transported to this era.
Shredder wastes no time in sowing discord between the clans, positioning himself to take control by pinning the Turtles as dangerous ronin (masterless samurai). With ninja assassins on their trail, the Turtles are forced to seek refuge with one of the honorable samurai clans.
As the clans descend into all-out war, the Turtles find themselves embroiled in epic battles involving samurai sword fights, ninja stealth tactics, and feudal Japanese martial arts. Their radical style clashes with the ancient codes, but also inspires those wearied by the cycle of violence.
In the end, the Turtles must help broker peace between the clans by discrediting the dishonorable Shredder. An explosive final showdown with swords, ninjutsu, and intense hand-to-hand combat will decide the fate of feudal Japan - and whether the Turtles can ever return home.
This is super fricking easy and I'm genuinely shocked the filmmakers fricked it up.
>No cool villain for a cool fight.
That's it. Kids fricking loved turtles, but they didn't make their action figures just stand around cracking jokes, they bashed the little frickers into each other and pretended it was a massive life or death battle. Why do you think the first one took off like a rocket? Raph's beatdown and the fight against Shredder were just like what those little kids saw in their mind when they bought so much useless tat. The third movie didn't have a cool fight in it, simple as. Nothing more, nothing less.
Should have saved super-shredder for the third one.
Shredder is not in it, right?
It’s just too boring. It’s missing ingredients from the first two. No wow moments.
>Shredder is not in it, right?
Honestly, much as I loved TMNT as a kid and think fondly of it today, Shredder is really the only seriously kino villain they have. Series always goes downhill when he isn't around.
Jim Henson died
I come to the realization that TMNT 3 was my first Samurai film, and BTTF Part 3 was my first Western.
TMNT was losing steam by 1993. Also, it suffered from sequel decay. Robocop is a perfect example of sequel decay.
>The UK version removed Eastern fighting weapons like the nunchaku, using alternate shots of Michaelangelo in order to conceal his nunchaku weapon, or omitting the show-off duel between Michaelangelo and a member of the Foot clan. Also, the scene of Shredder in the garbage shred was heavily edited and the Turtle Power song was edited to change the word 'ninja' to 'hero' as per the UK television series. The unedited version was released on DVD in 2004 in the UK.[15]
Why did the bongs hate ninjas and nunchucks?
UK standards and practices are dumb. They gave Michelangelo a grappling hook as a weapon in later seasons because of the nunchuck ban.
>nunchuck bad
>sharp metal hook good
The Bong fears the melee weapon. Even now they are under siege from knives that people refuse to bin. I'm surprised they didn't make Casey give up his cricket bats and other assorted weapons too
Huh. I had a pair of nunchucks as a teenager around that time. Didn't know we had some weird ban on them on tv lol.
ninjas killed the waifu of a British emissary in the 16th century. Since then the nation has had a hate boner for them.
Wasn't this like the third movie? It was milking the IP and if I remember correctly had some strange time traveling plot.
Jim died during the second movie and had no involvement in the third. This is why the camera work is shit, the lighting is shit, the costumes are shit, everything looks like shit. I don't know who's responsible for the story, but it too sucked huge butthole. Everything about it was terrible. My guess is all the talent left after Jim died and nobody worth a cent was involved with the third movie. It was just moronic, no talent peons, trying to cash in on the success of the last two for Schlomo, which resulted in bad stories, bad music, bad costume design, bad movie
pretty much
>My guess is all the talent left after Jim died and nobody worth a cent was involved with the third movie.
Iirc, they didn't even use Creature Shop but a much cheaper company.
Who the frick is Jim??
Because Japshit is fricking boring.
Because I loaned the tape to my friend and he never returned it. Fat frick.
WHY WERE THEY SO SPOTTY
The suits in the previous two movies were similarly textured, except it was done competently.
I remember seeing this in the theater when I was 8 years old and half way through being really fricking bored. Frick it was bad.
>No Rockwell?
>Not kino.
I don't remember ever watching this as a kid and I was 10 when it came out. Had tons of movies at home (including the first two) and rented all the time but never saw it until way later. No idea what happened. Second movie was huge and everyone loved it. This one was never even talked about. My friend and age group was too old for Power Rangers so it wasn't a replacement like it was for the younger kids. We still loved the arcade game and even the NES bullshit one but yeah this movie just passed by.
they should have had worthy foes
If they traveled back in time to face ninjas with Magic and learned Magic themselves, kino
Too bad the third movie wasn't a movie based of TMNT: Turtles in Time. That could have been awesome
yeah but according to
which makes perfect sense, that movie would have sucked too.
The cheaping out on the costumes and the shit story really killed it.
The Splinter puppet was also not even finished before filming started.
Suits looked like ass and none of the fights were cool.
Me and my brother and cousins loved Turtles 2 and watched it a bunch of times, and 3 was one of the biggest rental disappointments that I remember. I was a kid so I couldn't explain why but it was obvious very early in the movie that it was just kinda lame.
>You were expecting, maybe, the Addams family?
Cowabunga? Cowa fricking piece of dogshit!
>It's wet willy time, Mo!
>Oh look, Don King!
I wanted to watch 3 so bad as a kid, but my parents wouldn't take me to see it in theaters. I didn't realize just how bad it was until much later.
i paid to see ninja turtles not samurai turtles
They are honorable turtles homosexual, eat your popcorn and be quiet Black person
>popcorn
>not donuts
I would eat 50 donuts watching turtle warlords rape and kill the Chinese
come on anon im laying you up for the bebop and rocksteady donut scene
Ok I was gonna say "pizza time!" but it wouldn't have made sense because the other anon couldn't fathom they weren't literal ninja turtles
>Tfw I'm currently rewatching the three of them
I'm halfway through Ooze, and all I could remember from my childhood was the intro of Ooze and then the samurai stuff of the third.
It was literally intended to be a cheap direct-to-DVD movie only released in Japan
I fricking loved it. I also don't remember anything about it.
Was only Turtles I had as a kid. Was great
Casey Jones' B-plot was fun
Having them go back in time was dumb. Turtles in Time was a great game, but they were always fighting major Turtle villains in every time frame. Movie should have had Krang as the villain. Or the Rat King. Or Killer Croc. They also should have introduced the Turtle van and the communicators.
why did the turtle costumes get worse?
Jim Henson did the work for part 1 but he died soon after.
Why not just use the same costumes??
The type of foam used rots like a motherfricker, even after a few years.
We wanted Krang
I'm not (youtube) sure where (youtube) this revisionist history (a fricking youtuber said it) comes from, but 2 was considered the peak turtles film. It's the one you and all of your friends talked about. 1 was great but a little dull in comparison. I've never seen 3.
t. 40yr old sick of watching the 90's rewritten by sperm that wasn't there
Nah, TMNT 1 was the better movie.
watch this
>Kids like the cartoon
>Have nothing resembling the cartoon in it
I really have to wonder why Hollywood writers do this with adaptation. Making a film based on a kids show is easy money, all they have to do is watch a few eps
I remember TMNT being the first movie I saw in theaters expecting to be bad (I don't know why I was cynical about it, I don't remember what the first movie I considered "bad" was) but then thinking it turned out better than anticipated
It was shit, but the Japanese dudes beating the shit out of each other and saying "HOCKEY!" was still kinda funny.
Pizza Power