people like movies to have a quality script that examines things in a meaningful and personal way. only some of us like lore stuffing to sell tabletop games and dime novels.
I thought episode 1 was great all the kids in my school were obsessed with it. who cares is boomer and gen x man children were triggered. there were 20 great games based on it and there is not 1 based off all the new films.
>people like movies to have a quality script that examines things in a meaningful and personal way
Good thing they went in expecting a Star Wars movie.
and the shitty lightsaber duels, and tatooine for the 3rd time in 4 movies, and all the gungans period, and the pathetic little battle droids that they tried to buff up in Attack of the Clones, and the underwhelming jedi order lucas created.
i genuinely don’t get the seethe at midichlorians. the force is a supernatural thing that interacts with physical reality through a physical middleman. seems like RLM redditors have a very binary science or magic bifurcation going on. the force is magic and midichlorians are a material biological signifier for the magic that helps it interact with material reality
because everyone wanted to believe that they could train like luke and become a jedi, tpm made it so that you had to be born of the master race to have dbz power levels high enough to be a jedi. its not about your character anymore, its about your breeding
luke’s dad was a super powerful jedi. he also says the force is strong in his family and that his sister has the power because of her birth. nothing changed
yes it did. luke being really good because of his dad doesnt bar everyone else. power levels that are genetic do. i dont mind it though. introducing magic into your lore is a mess so coming up with genetic power levels is an easy way to put a cap on it
Jake Lloyd was a great actor Lucas just wanted weird performances from him and the other actors.
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The podrace was the best part and concept for the movie
>The podrace was the best part and concept for the movie
jin bet the slavery of humans and his whole mission including the fate of an entire planet and royalty that was entrusted to his care on winning a dumb fricking street race when hes a galactic glowBlack person and could just kill any dirty israelite he wanted and take whatever he felt like (even without killing anyone if he so felt like it)
the entire plot of the movie is loonie toons bullshit that makes no sense and is the cause for you not caring that vader defeated the invasion, because who cares about anything thats going in the movie except the cool well done maul fights?
2 years ago
Anonymous
the shitty writing and awkwardly forced stakes doesn't make the podrace itself not cool.
If force power is hereditary why do the Jedi live monastically?
I suspect force power is generally random and the fact that Anakin’s kids are powerful is unusual
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because the jedi are a religious order. Obviously they can train and hone latent force power, but they also have a religious credo and way of life related to how the force should be used
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s EXTREMELY rare. 100 quadrillion sentient beings and only 10,000 Jedi.
If it’s hereditary then they’re making the Jedi all go extinct
the funny thing is that he is really only central to the first 15 minutes of the film. afterwards, he is just there for cutaway jokes and that's it.
it's nowhere near as overbearing as film reviewers claim he is on a modern rewatch.
Dude literally saves the day at the end helping to defeat the droid army with hilarious slapstick. He was essential to the plot.
They are the same character (r2d2, c3p0 & jar jar), obnoxious comedic relief with a subplot. The only way jar jar is inferior is in its less iconic design. Same goes for the prequels. You can't top vader, yoda, the death star... But overall I like them, and genuinely think they are hated only by manchildren with headcanon who think that the OT is perfect. Darth Maul and duel of fates is obviously kino, and killing him in the first movie is by far the biggest mistake of the prequels.
Yes, Phantom Menace took place over 30 years before A New Hope. The only thing that existed was the YT-1300 freighter that would eventually become Han Solo's Millennium Falcon. Which had already existed since 60 BBY.
I think it would have been better if they at least hinted at Anakin's transition to Vader. Have a scene where the kid spazzes out and starts breaking shit or hitting his friends. Give him a temper. Instead, young Anakin had literally no personality. Like, none.
I think they should have just skipped 1, started with Anakin in 2, and stretch 2 and 3 out into a trilogy with extra content.
We don't need to see him as a child.
it doesnt matter, lucas is acting death. either the kid sucked at acting which seemed to be the case or he would have suck anyway because of lucas like with all the other actors
they simply cant be saved with such a simple change.
Jake Lloyd was a great actor Lucas just wanted weird performances from him and the other actors.
>cgi podracing >cgi jamaicans vs cgi robots >cgi ships vs cgi ships >goofy moronic kid saves the day and destroys the invasion fleet as basically a joke meant to get laughs
maul was great sure but his two fights were so different than the rest of the movie and since they didnt even give him speaking lines it didnt even feel like it was part of the same movie as everything else
The podrace was the best part and concept for the movie
it doesnt matter, lucas is acting death. either the kid sucked at acting which seemed to be the case or he would have suck anyway because of lucas like with all the other actors
they simply cant be saved with such a simple change.
Yeah the only real way to save it would have been to limit child Anakin's story to a 10-15 minute prologue, then bump him up to teenager for the rest of the movie.
Maybe, but I think I can guess why Lucas didn’t do that. He didn’t want Anakin to be a “bad apple” whose issues were always there. It was his choice not to let go of his attachments that led him to the Dark Side
Fricking lmao. This is the same kind of smart-ass who thinks Leia in the current TV show is too eloquent for her age. Anakin's attachment towards his mother, as well as his attitude towards the Jedi Council when tested, were sufficient seeds to hint towards his inevitable demise. Do you want him to imitate Vader's breathing while he pretends to force-choke a tuskin raider or something? The word subtlety, if one can even call those basic storytelling elements that, is lost upon you.
it would have been neat to have been on set and saw everyone with such high expectations. im sure everything thought they were going to make history (in the good way)
It was one of those films where you enjoyed it at first but after a week or so you start to feel it wasn't that great is just too colourful and almost cartoonish. Doesn't have dark quality the originals have, Lucus should have made it in 1985.
Kids and teenagers loved it, I remember seeing it opening weekend in like 3rd grade. People older than that would have been thrown off by the tone but I think in retrospect it's a nice overall arc when you look at films 1 through 3.
Interesting case study I suppose to think about an Anakin origin story that had the same tone as either 3 or the OT. You can't make him some super serious toddler because then the slow transformation to the dark side has no impact at all.
Because they didn’t realize how kino it was compared to the diarrhea that George Lucas had in store for viewers later. TPM is the Nikola Tesla of Star Wars
terrible script mostly
Jar Jar and Midichlorians were the immediate culprits people tried to use to explain how unpleasant it was to watch but it was basically like complaining about the dirty drapes in a flooded house
Then nerd media basically decides to push a narrative that Phantom Menace was complete shit when they were trying to shill Attack of the Clones, like this movie is sooo much better than TPM guys, you wouldn't believe how much better. Then you saw it and it was far worse and Lucas was still torturing the OT with special editions and that was it. I never even saw the last one.
Lucas legitimately believed he'd be able to alter everything like they did in the running man. He even said so. Look at the Spirits Withjn! A lot of big wigs thought the technology was there wherein youd only need an actors likenesses
Do you also shit and piss yourself over the "special editions" of every other movie in existence? You do realize right that the majority of movies receive revisions post release, and that many of those are far more significant than the minor alterations to the OT?
I saw the prequels first as a kid and then the OT, the prequels, some of the video games, and The Clone Wars are the only Star Wars things I really like. The art direction and designs in the prequels are just very appealing. Not a huge fan in general though
because george lucas tried his very artistic vision for the franchise. 90% of people wanted some basic ass shit where the dialogue has a heckin sassy han solo saying smarmy shit while running and gunning. but george delivered like a 200 IQ saga of the fall of a republic. which was way over the head of evens 2000s americas declining IQ
No they just wanted the story to be better written. There are many substantial flaws with TPM. Not everyone articulates them completely, but scenes like the entire space battle at the end are just hollow and underwhelming.
People only hated the prequels because critics told them to and the critics had very narrow views as to what Star Wars should be. Watch any immediate reaction to Phantom and you'll see audiences loved it. See
Attack of the Clones was different since you had years of priming and gaslighting and it is genuinely the weakest of the three. The Revenge of the Sith was met with skepticism and then won audiences back. I also think my take is supported by the massive success that was the merchandising of the prequels. Everyone bought the toys, legos, video games. All that shit
>hated the prequels because critics told them to
Clearly we live a world where critics can just plant this idea in people's mind that a masterpiece of a movie is bad out of fricking nowhere.
Kids liked it. I remember loving my prequels Legos. In hindisght it's weird that I loved it, because it's boring as frick, but when Darth Maul shows up and Duel of the Fates starts playing it's just way too much for your tiny stupid kid brain, it's like an overdose of endorphin, you forget the 90 minutes of boring political talk.
It was an ok movie. They were never gonna top the original trilogy anyway. Millennials later tried to psy-op people into believing it was the worst movie ever for some reason though.
I recently rewatched all 6, they're the only good ones anyway. Unless you were a kid when the originals came out, they're perfectly worthy prequels. Hell, anyone born after the year 2000 will probably genuinely like RotS more than any one of the prequels. I can see how zoomers might not like the older ones, as they can be quite cringy and boring as frick if you're not used to watching movies from that time period.
I was the target audience for this film. I liked the film a lot but even as a 10 year old I felt like the movie was trying to do too much for a single film. I remember discussing the film with my friends at school and we pretty much all ranked it last.
Boomers had high expectations thanks to EU novels also they believed The Prequels was going to be more serious but they got Jar Jar and Little Annie saying are you an angel? instead
I was in high school, saw the m very first midnight showing with all of my friends and half the teenagers in my town. It was a party in front of the theater, so many costumes and everyone was so hyped there was electricity in the air. I'll never forget the explosion of cheering when the Lucasfilm logo appeared. But then the movie happened.
I understand there's been some revisionist history from younger people who saw the film in elementary school saying it wasn't received that badly. All I can say is for me and everyone I knew it was a huge WTF moment, despite the juggernaut of a marketing machine behind it.
>The movie had extremely good legs in box office.
Yes it was the biggest movie event of my entire life
Because most people liked it
No, like I said no one I knew did. What was funny was we all saw it multiple times thinking the fault must be in us. I don't think you grasp how much the original SW trilogy shaped people back then.
i was in middle school and hated it. i even collected all the pepsi soda cans with everyones face on it during the run up to the movie. after the movie i vividly remember talking to my dad about what a dumb movie it was and specifically remember complaining about jarjar being stupid
Except everyone of all ages liked the OT. Plenty of kids movies don't have the same kinds of problems as the Star Wars prequels.
And it's also bullshit. High school age was prime demo for Star Wars.
Because it was insanely marketed, hyped and was a technical marvel. It was marketed as a huge achievement like Avatar. But any Star Wars fan would immediately tell you that it sucks
Jar Jar and the Gungans
Queen Abadaba-doo and her slurred "we must do something quickly" dialogue
Age gap between Anakin and Abadaba-doo was off putting.
And the age of Anakin too
Midichlorians dispelling the myth around the force.
Boring ass senate sessions
Not enough Sith development, and "why they want revenge"
Primitive Gungangs vs. Advanced Robots....echos of stupid RotJ Ewoks vs. Stormtroopers.
its legitimately a bad movie and still is. even as a kid i thought it was fricking stupid except for the fight in your pic (although the way the fight ends is still silly)
Lack of interesting or emotionally resonant characters, weird mix of trying to be adult with a convoluted plot about fricking trade disputes and then stupidly childish stuff like Jarjar, annoying child Anakin.
I went to the theater with my dad when this came out. I was exactly the same age as Anakin in this movie and I remember loving every second of it. I didnt want it to end lol.
In retrospective, though, as an adult I dont care for any of these movies, not even the old ones. Funnily enough, the only series that holds up for me is Tartakovsky's Clone Wars, I can watch that any day and enjoy it.
>the quality of a piece of art is correlated to the originality of the piece
you have to be 18 to post here
2 years ago
Anonymous
You seem to be still in high school since you just failed at giving a reading comprehension of my post.
But yes George copying shots from 7 samurai does not make a badly written movie good.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You seem to be still in high school since you just failed at giving
ESL a little lighter next time
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm out of arguments so I'll say ESL lol
ok, moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
>bro it homages a better film, that means it’s bad
excellent argument, Mr Chang
2 years ago
Anonymous
>that means it’s bad
I never wrote that. Please spare us this and admit you have no arguments.
I grew up watching the OT. Me and all my friends were very excited to watch a new Star Wars movie in the theater. Everything was great until the Jedi went to Naboo. Then we all noticed the change in tone. Jar Jar of course was off putting. Seeing one of the most iconic villains in the history of cinema turned into an ignorant little kid was very disappointing. The rest is history.
even as a kid i noticed that qway gone was using a female razor as a sensor in that scene. was really weird even know i knew star wars had a history of using slightly altered real life items for props
>explain why lucas pussied out on midichlorians and never brought it up again
Because Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, and Disney can't do frick all with the material...?
Or lore-wise, you can assume a lot of knowledge about force-users were buried after "Order 66", that people just seem to forget about all that midichlorian crap after Episode 4 and onwards.
Why would he need to? Midichlorians were a narrative took to demonstrate how separated the jedi had become from the spiritual aspects of their religion anyway
There was a huge hate campaign for the prequels funded by George's enemies in hollywood and people were dumb enough to believe it. Cry more boomer you got got
I still went to see the movie, and I was 19. They should never have tried to use a child actor. Nothing would have been different if we had picked up the story at Attack of the Clones and there had been two movies before Anakin's downfall.
wrong, nerd critics shilled it hard and true boomer legit critics didn't give full scores to anything but oscar bait in the '80s and '90s and still gave it approving B+ kind of scores. The industry knew they had to push it. It just sucked.
I feel like the only person in the world who liked phantom menace more than any other star wars film, I actually like jar jar a lot right up until the final battle where his 'blundering fool' jokes don't really have a purpose anymore
people didnt like it but it took a little to set in and there was also an expectation that it was a fluke and the second and third movie will make up for it
even before the third was released there was still hope and everyone was pumped that it was getting a pg13 rating and thought that must be a good sign and it was going to save the entire trilogy
It kind of did save it though. Is the prequel trilogy flawed? Absolutely. Between some questionable acting here and there, some terrible CGI character models and some really cringe writing one can hardly call it anything but that. But in the big picture, even if some of the ideas were poorly designed and executed, the balance ends up being positive. The prequels flesh out important characters like Vader and Obi wan, explore previously established planets like Tatooine and Corruscant while making great new additions like Naboo, have some of the best fights (both in therms of narrative and emotional value as well as the choreographs) and contribute some of the most iconic soundtracks... all while remaining faithful to the visual style (compositions/ editing/ value/ color). In the end the prequels are valuable additions that added to the universe and the story. Good or bad i think people undoubtedly recognizes them as Star Wars movies.
What we were looking for was something that would make us feel eight again. But we didn't get it until the opening scene in RotS. Holy frickballs. It was like the Battle of Britain in space. Even my godson's mousy little housewife mother couldn't stop gabbling about it.
>can you imagine kids dressing up for halloween as their favorite prequel character lol
Uh Darth maul was a huge hit for Halloween. Easily one of the most common costumes at the time. >everyone hated it young and old.
The entire prequel trilogy had a budget of 343 million and it made 2.56 billion at the box office.
the only person in my entire life up until now that didnt have nothing but but bad things to say about jarjar was my dad. i was a kid and ranting about how bad the movie and jarjar was and he sort of brushed away the jarjar criticism and just said that he wasnt that bad and that hes supposed to be stupid
I was 10 and had grown up on the 1995 vhs boxset for a few years before the prequels. It was good but it felt forced in some spots and I even cringed at the anakin and jar jar stuff at that age. Watching it now is wonderful, never a dull moment. It might be the best prequel, it is star wars incarnate.
I distinctly remember the hype about the third prequel movie being "This is the good one". This idea that prequel hate is revisionism or muh youtuber/disney is pure cope.
you can very easily check this too by looking at all the "pg13" articles before its release. everyone saw it as a sign that it was going to make big changes from the first two and finally be worth watching
because the boomers were too rose-tinted and petty to understand the narrative purpose of funny jamaican armadillo going "meesa mup da doo didda po mo gub bidda jar jar bix nood cof bin dub ho muhfugga" while a bunch of alien transvestites fly around like ragdolls.
>funny jamaican armadillo going "meesa mup da doo didda po mo gub bidda jar jar bix nood cof bin dub ho muhfugga" while a bunch of alien transvestites fly around like ragdolls.
pure kino and "mise en scene" if you will
Because it wasn't very good. The only good part of the entire film except for the costumes was the reveal of the double sided Saber, which was in the commercials
>but isn't c3po being built by vader the stupidest coincidence ever?
no, star wars is so chock full of dumb shit exactly like that that its not even worth mentioning. han solo and boba fett also used to drad race together. yoda got saved by chewbacca. everything in the universe happens on three planets, one of them supposedly know for being an unimportant backwater
>no, star wars is so chock full of dumb shit exactly like that that its not even worth mentioning
None of that other shit existed when TPM came out, or at least was not part of the movie canon or Zahn books. Saying this just makes you look like a moron.
>None of that other shit existed when TPM came out, or at least was not part of the movie canon or Zahn books. Saying this just makes you look like a moron.
yes i know but the et existed when tpm came out and it was much worse. actually the han solo and boba fett thing was already there i think. boba fett got in a lightsaber fight with vader at one point. i mean im not going to get deep into it, basically every character on screen during the ot had at some point in the past met every other character in some grand adventure
Dredging up the dumbest obscure extended universe shit you can find to suggest people should overlook how stupid C-3P0's portrayal was in TPM is moronic. > basically every character on screen during the ot had at some point in the past met every other character in some grand adventure
No, they hadn't, to the vast majority of the audience.
For someone with autism like yours, it is best to just not talk about the EU at all when trying to discuss the movies. You do not understand how this shit works.
You only think it's a coincidence because you were introduced to him first and then saw his origin later. If you watch the movies in the correct order I -> VI then there is no coincidence, it's just how his story plays out.
Is it also a "moronic coincidence" that Luke meets Yoda in ESB? You seem to think that any character appearing more than once in a set of six movies is some kind of "coincidence."
2 years ago
Anonymous
lol good bait bro but you're being too obvious
Try being a tad less moronic next time
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Han becomes a general in ROTJ
WOOOOW what a stupid fricking coincidence. Just because he saved the rebel alliance twice in the previous movies he's now a general? Who wrote this shit?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I said LESS moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
I thought that other guy was right and that you were baiting. Every post you make just makes you look dumber and totally incapable of making any intelligent point about the story.
You mean Obi-Wan?
ANH is ambiguous about whether R2D2 is telling the truth at all about Obi-Wan being a former master. Leia told R2 to seek him out.
Either way, it's a coincidence with a major positive story-payoff in ep4. It's not just an extremely lazy reason to include a character in the story.
Although I really don't know why I bother trying to talk about writing with people who engage in moronic whataboutism between the prequels and OT.
>a coincidence with a major positive story-payoff
So you people literally think that any character reappearing in a later film is a "coincidence" kek. Is it a coincidence that Luke and Leia are Anakin's kids? Is it a coincidence that Luke is force sensitive? Is it a coincidence that the clones are clones of Jango Fett? Why are you acting like any normal plot point is a coincidence?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>So you people literally think that any character reappearing in a later film is a "coincidence" kek.
No, you think I'm saying that because you are really dumb.
And, the problem isn't just coincidence, but a pointless coincidence that makes the world seem too small and convenient. Some contrivance can be tolerated in storytelling, but too much tends to cause problems. You are a stupid binary-thinker and have no ability to distinguish between too much or too little of something.
>Is it a coincidence that Luke and Leia are Anakin's kids?
No. >Is it a coincidence that Luke is force sensitive?
No. > Is it a coincidence that the clones are clones of Jango Fett?
Yes. That is a stupid coincidence that makes the setting seem far smaller and more contrived. >Why are you acting like any normal plot point is a coincidence?
I'm not. You are acting like you are too stupid to tell the difference between a story maintaining focus on a protagonist and his immediate family (parent/child relationships), and the gigantic fricking pile of coincidences it takes to connect C-3PO from TPM to ANH.
Why would Anakin build a protocol droid and not literally any other kind of droid that a young boy like him would be interested in? There is no good reason. It's a contrivance to put C-3PO in a story where it makes no sense at all for him to be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>> Is it a coincidence that the clones are clones of Jango Fett? >Yes. That is a stupid coincidence
Actual moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
>doesn't answer any of the points
i accept your concession
TPM: Everyone hates Jar Jar and Anikin, but jedi stuff and podracing was cool
AOTC: Everybody hated it.
RotS: Everyone made fun of NNNOOOOO but thought the movie was an improvement. Many ranked it up with ROTJ, possibly out of cope or an attempt to look impartial ("I didn't like the first two but I can at least admit the third was pretty good")
Contrary to zoomer opinion, the movies caught a lot kf flak well before RLM. But they still made lots of money and a lot of kids were into it.
95% of the movie is pretty boring and the ship designs didn’t match anything from the OT. Plus for some reason people hated jarjar. I always thought TPM was a rough start but was just Lucas getting his sea legs back after years of not directing. When AOTC came out I was shocked at how silly and stupid it was, Yoda flipping around, cardboard friendships and live interests, cgi clones vs cgi droids, no mention of maul, very little mention of qui gon, a whole new actor to play anakin, cgi drenched in everything. When ROTS came out I was just depressed at that point. I spent like ten years getting psyched for this nonsense. It was a massive disappointment. I still, to this day, watch TPM and get a sense of optimism and hope but the realization of how bad everything that came after it was always dawns on me and I feel conflicted. I wish Lucas had never made the prequels and had never sold the films to Disney. He really is a huge butthole.
>the ship designs didn’t match anything from the OT.
one of the very first things i ever saw for the movie was a toy naboo ship. since i had never seen it flying or in anything at all and since it had such a weird design, i thought the back was the front and the front the back for months until i finally saw a trailer or something
Not really, TPM has a pretty good soundtrack, the fight with Maul was pretty cool. It also had better pacing. AOTC and ROTS felt like looney tunes with the cgi all over the place, people riding cgi animals people flying through the air everything moving at a breakneck pace, cgi diners, cgi clone troopers vs cgi robots. The Jedi powers also just seemed cartoonish. In TPM the Jedi powers seemed more grounded like an extension of martial arts, it was within the realms of believability. With the other films it crossed the barrier of belief into just people flipping around everywhere Yoda leaping around doing billions of backflips the physics made no sense. And everything seemed cheap as hell and meaningless. Anakin struts to the dark side was like a light switch. Also Hayden doesn’t look anything like a heroic star pilot, he just looks like a backstreet boy. TPM was decent and had potential although it could have been much better, but it was AOTC and ROTS that sealed the fate of prequels as sucking.
>cgi podracing >cgi jamaicans vs cgi robots >cgi ships vs cgi ships >goofy moronic kid saves the day and destroys the invasion fleet as basically a joke meant to get laughs
maul was great sure but his two fights were so different than the rest of the movie and since they didnt even give him speaking lines it didnt even feel like it was part of the same movie as everything else
Cgi pod racing was fine because it’s a machine, it‘a not in constant motion like a striding cgi animal/beast. The underwater people actually were real though, so there was a bit of a reason to care about what happened. With clones vs robots who gives a frick? Anakin destroying the space station was pretty stupid, but for some reason I don’t care, it doesn’t really bother me. Again the problem I have is with the cgi animals and looney tunes physics. What the Jedi are doing in these films is so outlandish that it’s beyond luck and just plot armor. Especially that lava fight scene in ROTS it just looks insanely stupid and fake. If those buttholes were in the middle of a lake of fire like that they would both already be burned just by being so close. It lacks believability and almost seems like a crazed fever dream cartoon of lucas, not an actual Star Wars film. And the acting and directing is atrocious.
jin bet the slavery of humans and his whole mission including the fate of an entire planet and royalty that was entrusted to his care on winning a dumb fricking street race when hes a galactic glowBlack person and could just kill any dirty israelite he wanted and take whatever he felt like (even without killing anyone if he so felt like it)
the entire plot of the movie is loonie toons bullshit that makes no sense and is the cause for you not caring that vader defeated the invasion, because who cares about anything thats going in the movie except the cool well done maul fights?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I wouldn’t call the plot looney tunes and unbelievable, it was believable. The problem with TPM was simply that it was convoluted and boring. It wasn’t a “bad” film, it just was a little flat. AOTC and ROTS was just came off like a crazed fever dream. It was like people zipping past the screen and actions so outlandish and bizarre here are some examples:
Compare those to the physics of TPM maul fight:
This one feels kind of believable like it could be real like even though magic shit is happening. With the other movies it goes off the rails into cartoon fever dream nonsense.
2 years ago
Anonymous
are you saying that TPM doesn't go into cartoonish nonsensical fever dream stuff?
cause that's all i saw
2 years ago
Anonymous
I guess it does happen like in the pod racing scenes and with some of the aliens and the underwater people but it’s not like totally and completely saturated in it like the other movies were. In TPM it was like cartoon happening within a movie but with AOTC and ROTS it was like just full blown cartoon the whole time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>linking the single good thing about tpm that everyone agrees is the one good thing about the movie including me since ive already made that very clear as proof that everything about the movie is good
dishonest. the maul fights exist outside the rest of the movie story/plot/effects/acting/everything wise
You're right about the ships, less so about everything else especially the podracing. The gungans vs droids was well-done, effects-wise. The issue was more just the droids themselves being kind of stupid and the entire conflict just escalated too quickly.
And I think that the thing with the whole space sequence is that it could have been fixed. The problem wasn't so much that cheap effects undermined the storytelling, the storytelling itself was just bad. There was very little progression to the space battle, it was barely more than random skirmishing until Anakin crash-lands and accidentally wins the whole movie by hitting the torpedo button by mistake.
(not that anon by the way, but I think I get his point)
>There was very little progression to the space battle, it was barely more than random skirmishing until Anakin crash-lands and accidentally wins the whole movie by hitting the torpedo button by mistake.
This shit always bothered me even as a kid seeing the film for the first time. As a kid the thing I liked most about star wars was the space fighters and space battles. While TPM had great designs it completely failed to utilize them in any interesting way at all.
I agree. in hindsight TPM's biggest problem is having a boring trade politics plot take up so much dry time in what's otherwise a decent kid-friendly adventure flick. If it's script committed more in either direction- getting rid of the drier elements or the goofiest kid elements- it could've been OK
Ewoks are much stupider than a lightsaber fighting Yoda. Ending your epic trilogy on a silly, childrens show tier Ewok song is less tonally consistent than anything in the prequel trilogy.
>every Gen Xer b***hes about Lucas improving the film with proper, regal victory music and focuses on the Jar Jar line that’s deeply buried in the mix
very, very dishonest post
I don’t see how it’s stupid. There are primitive tribes that act similar to Ewoks. It’s actually kind of an interesting concept to see little bears that sort of act like primitive people. It’s not as outlandish as cgi Yoda flipping around like a gymnast when he can barely walk twenty years later. I felt like the Ewoks were cool although I will admit that they did dwell on it too much and the way they beat the empire vehicles was pretty stupid. They probably should have just helped the rebels in another way like helping them navigate. But tonally, the end of ROTJ was extremely positive. The mood was totally consistent. Maybe you just wanted more edgelord shit but that’s not what star wars is about. It’s about friendship and positivity.
>Maybe you just wanted more edgelord shit but that’s not what star wars is about. It’s about friendship and positivity. >implying New Hope wasn’t a gritty, grainy New Hollywood film with blood, murder and bars full of criminals
now look whose revising history
I mean the overarching story. It’s about having faith in yourself and in your friends and family, being willing to trust that they will save you and that you will save them. Think about Han, the dirty selfish smuggler, saving Luke in ANH. Or about lando risking his ass to save Luke, Leia and Chewy in ESB, Han saving Luke in the beginning. It’s all about friends working together and having each other’s backs. This in contrast the empire which is the oppposite.
I never saw minions but I still have no problem with the Ewoks in ROTJ, I just felt like they were over used and should not have been able to destroy so many empire vehicles in such silly ways. They should have just helped the rebels and let the rebels physically defeat the troops,
>I still have no problem with the Ewoks in ROTJ, I just felt like they were over used and should not have been able to destroy so many empire vehicles in such silly ways. They should have just helped the rebels and let the rebels physically defeat the troops,
Yep, good take.
Ewoks play a solid role in the story, it just might go a little far here and there.
The trailer made the movie look better than it was. Jarjar was a big complaint. It didn't feel like star wars, which at the time was the original trilogy.
A lot of the common complaints you hear today are more modern and were popularized by RedditLetterMedia.
the literal thing that made the rlm review popular was that it clearly explained what everyone already felt
>this movie is dumb. everything is dumb about it. the costumes are dumb and boring, why are they dressed like that? they are demigods and they are supposed to be all power and corrupt >they are dressed like that to leech off nostalgia from when obiwan had a brown robe for his disguise in the OT but its dumb because it was specifically a disguise and not how jedi normally dressed >oh shit youre right
The only good Star Wars film is Empire Strikes Back and the rest are generic, mediocre sci-fi films that are only touted as good because of their cultural significance.
The anticipation was immense. When people weren't greeted with the exact interpretation of Star Wars that they'd fostered during their childhoods, they rejected it. A large part of the audience also expected Star Wars to 'grow up' with them and be more along the lines of The matrix or Goodfellas in space, even though they were first in line to buy toys by the handful.
Only die hard star wars fans who are into lore and fleshing out the universe really like it. I love Phantom Menace but I've been a huge star wars nerd since the early 80s. I totally understand why so many people didn't like it - it's too reliant on fans knowledge of the franchise and does not stand well on it's own.
They didn’t dislike it, it. They were just disappointed because it didn’t meet expectations and it wasn’t as good as the previous movies.
But people saw it multiple times in theaters and the merchandise for it was very successful. People like the aesthetics and the toys and the games a lot.
>They were just disappointed because it didn’t meet expectations
This is the source of the vast majority of complaints about the prequels. Adult neckbeards who saw the OT as children were given years to form their own headcanon about Vader's story. Then Lucas's vision (OF HIS OWN FRANCHISE THAT HE CREATED) ended up being very different to the headcanon they had invented. And instead of just accepting this, these manchildren freaked out, accused George of "raping their childhoods," and made hour-long video essays explaining how Lucas's vision (OF HIS OWN UNIVERSE THAT HE CREATED) "doesn't make sense" because X, Y, and Z "should have been done differently" to adhere to what they wanted to see.
Completely moronic. People didn't really have "headcanon" about it, there wasn't much to go on. They were excited to see the Vader backstory and were mostly offended by the execution.
The bar was set impossibly high by the original trilogy, leading to massive hype followed by hatred for the prequels.
The sequels later lowered this bar massively, leading to memes and people genuinely appreciating the prequels.
I thought it was good but I was a teenager. All the boomers said they liked the older ones better. Whaterver. I don't care about starwars and capeshit.
Just watch 5 fricking seconds of it and you'll see why. It's hard to believe how lifeless and charmless everybody acts compared the the originals. You don't even need any criticism beyond that, it dooms the movie to being boring and impossible to get invested in.
and to be clear: people did want to see C-3PO and R2D2. A rigorously well-told story would probably not have included them at all, especially not in TPM. They would have had cameos or very small roles in the later movies at best.
So, people would be willing to tolerate some contrivance to have R2-D2 and C-3PO around. But having Anakin build C-3PO was just going way too far. It was almost rubbing people's noses in the low standards. At least let people pretend like it's not just pure fanservice.
And shit like the clones all being Jango Fett is just utterly pointless. Nobody would have missed Boba Fett's dad not being in the prequel trilogy, and certainly not as the literal source of all clones in the clone war.
should have been droid they picked up from the israelite or vaders droid pit crew. or even jin hired them to fix the ship and then once they get attacked by maul he just tosses them in the ship and blasts off in their fast bid to escape
>rigorously well-told story
Can you explain to us what a "rigorously well-told" version of the prequels would look like then, since you're apparently an expert writer now?
They shouldn't have wanted to. It was bullshit for the same reason putting Han and Leia in Jedi was bullshit. They're just iterating on a fricking formula that sells tickets and merchandise instead of trying to make a goddamn film that isn't insultingly stupid.
nah its ok just the execution sucked. those two are already established in the ot to be constantly changing hands and working for people all over the galaxy and since they dont age too its super easy to toss them anywhere. they should have been one of the only callbacks to the ot though
What purpose do these callbacks serve? Frick off. What actual reason is there for R2D2 to be a silent narrator of Star Wars who was present for every significant event over an 80 year period?
because they are ironically star wars and its a movie, not real life. the prequels suck because they are shitty movies, not because they arent realistic enough or something
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE ONE RING AND STING AND FOEHAMMER AND GANDALF AND BILBO AND THE SHIRE WERE ALREADY IN THE HOBBIT YOU CANT PUT THEM IN LOTR TOO THAT BAD STORYTELLING
C3PO mirrors Anakin's mental and physical state throughout the movies, it's very important to show. It's also important to know that Anakin enjoys building and fixing things. Get a brain. This is all in the DVD commentaries.
The time and mindless energy wasted on Jar Jar Binks and his goofy waterworld could have been used building/foreshadowing Aniken. The introduction of the Gungans was a waste of resources.
How people hate jar jar and love c3p0 and r2d2 is beyond me. >beep boop beep >how you dare say that r2d2!! >repeat the same gag a dozen times >boomers and nerds shit themselves
I swear to God that you have to be moronic to like those two and hate jar jar.
They are the same character (r2d2, c3p0 & jar jar), obnoxious comedic relief with a subplot. The only way jar jar is inferior is in its less iconic design. Same goes for the prequels. You can't top vader, yoda, the death star... But overall I like them, and genuinely think they are hated only by manchildren with headcanon who think that the OT is perfect. Darth Maul and duel of fates is obviously kino, and killing him in the first movie is by far the biggest mistake of the prequels.
right...jarjar has worse design (much worse to the point of being aggressively annoying) than the gay robots therefor hes a worst character and the droids better...was there some point you were trying to make?
how can people not like this movie? even if you dont like the writing, every 5 or 10 minutes there is a cool new planet, a cool new costume, interesting alien species, great looking ships, new weapons, etc. this is why there were so many fricking games when the prequels came out. episode 1 is the worst prequel imo and has more cool shit in it than the entire sequel trilogy.
Because when all of that's over you have to appraise it as a whole and Rogue One, which has all those beats too, is a better movie than Phantom Menace.
no one wants a rogue one game. no one wants a new trilogy game. people are playing the prequel games even now two decades later. who wanted sequel content in the new battlefront games? who wanted prequel content in the new games? It doesnt matter if you think the script was boring. people still like the characters anyway. count dooku is prety boring and even he has more charisma and likability than the entire sequel cast. and hes just some guy.
i dont understand the point of what youre saying. none of those things would exist without the film. a film is a culmination of multiple factors and even if someone despised the plot or writing, for sake of argument, you cant deny that the prequels still spawned a huge amount of amazing videogames, so they cant be worthless. people are going to be making starwars battlefront "WEVE GOT DROIDS" jokes for another two decades trying to run classic battlefront online through whatever dystopian computer tech we have in the future. no one is going to give a frick about disney star wars. even zoomers.
1 george should of kept jar jar evil like he planned instead of pussying out a movie later
2 jin and anakin should of had a lot more time together and see their relationship bloom. that one deleted scene an anon posted in this thread is a perfect example
3 less on anakin and more on the 2 jedi. splitting anakin and the final jedi/sith fight at the end was so stupid. i get it, lol vader/luke going back and forth with ewoks! but that's literally the worst part about it. not that ewoks existed, but it kept going back and fricking forth with something people REALLY wanted to just fricking watch.
i want all the monotone shit kept in. george had a fricking vision of all this shit, and it's one of the many reasons anakin went to the dark side. everyone "good" had frick all emotion, and the jedi were indeed a little "is that a good thing?" vibe with them. it's not exactly like this, but just the mentality, that modern day far leftist all think what they are doing is the right thing when it's literally not. seperatiing people by groups is literally racist/sexist/etc. yet they are blind to that and think they are in the right because "equality". the jedi were built to be like that too, but of course no one really wanted to see that the jedi weren't 100% good and i think that's also why people backlashed as much as they did. again it's literally another reason of anakins downfall. sorry im really tired and i just wanted to sperg out
I enjoyed it when it came out, the pod race is well executed for what it is. Duel of the Fates is iconic. It's almost hilarious in retrospect that Liam Neeson was a jedi.
OH YESSSS MORE CSPAN IN SPACE FOR MY MOVIES PLEASE
WHATS THAT DID THE SPACE SENATOR JUST ADVANCE THE MOTION? BUT HE KNOWS HE DOESNT HAVE THE VOTES FOR THAT! GOING TO BE INTERESTING HOW HE HANDLES THIS SINCE THERE IS ONLY ONE MORE SESSION THIS SPACE YEAR
jar jar and kid Anakin.
aside from that people loved everything else. you have to remember the cgi was cutting edge at the time.
kids liked it so Lucas knew what he was doing.
older fans were pissed Star Wars never grew up with them.
>you have to remember the cgi was cutting edge at the time.
except for that droid battle against the gungans in what looked like the windows xp grassy hill wallpaper.
people camped out for every single prequel Star Wars film. it was actually pretty fun. people could be critical of them but they'd still see them and Lucas never divided the community like Disney has done.
not all but a lot of fans bought the merc, saw the movie multiple times and emersed themselves in all things Star Wars. even if they were critical they still did this. you were allowed to express opinions.
Disney has done an excellent job at not only destroying beloved characters, shattering the community and generally destroying the IP.
people like movies to have a quality script that examines things in a meaningful and personal way. only some of us like lore stuffing to sell tabletop games and dime novels.
The merchandise made billions therefore to the people that mattered most it was okay. So much so that the associated merchandise made Billions.
Since Disney bought the IP the associated merchandise made Nothing!
So the very same normies who flocked the force awakens were not customers. So what they liked or didnt was of no consequence!
yipee
I thought episode 1 was great all the kids in my school were obsessed with it. who cares is boomer and gen x man children were triggered. there were 20 great games based on it and there is not 1 based off all the new films.
fpbp
>people like movies to have a quality script that examines things in a meaningful and personal way
Good thing they went in expecting a Star Wars movie.
jar jar
This, Anakin and midiclorians
Anakin and Midichlorians rocked!
That Luke and Leia’s mother was pretty based for a woman
and the shitty lightsaber duels, and tatooine for the 3rd time in 4 movies, and all the gungans period, and the pathetic little battle droids that they tried to buff up in Attack of the Clones, and the underwhelming jedi order lucas created.
The droids were the best thing ever. You're the reason Episode 7 was a soft-reboot of the series.
i genuinely don’t get the seethe at midichlorians. the force is a supernatural thing that interacts with physical reality through a physical middleman. seems like RLM redditors have a very binary science or magic bifurcation going on. the force is magic and midichlorians are a material biological signifier for the magic that helps it interact with material reality
because everyone wanted to believe that they could train like luke and become a jedi, tpm made it so that you had to be born of the master race to have dbz power levels high enough to be a jedi. its not about your character anymore, its about your breeding
luke’s dad was a super powerful jedi. he also says the force is strong in his family and that his sister has the power because of her birth. nothing changed
yes it did. luke being really good because of his dad doesnt bar everyone else. power levels that are genetic do. i dont mind it though. introducing magic into your lore is a mess so coming up with genetic power levels is an easy way to put a cap on it
>The podrace was the best part and concept for the movie
the shitty writing and awkwardly forced stakes doesn't make the podrace itself not cool.
If force power is hereditary why do the Jedi live monastically?
I suspect force power is generally random and the fact that Anakin’s kids are powerful is unusual
Because the jedi are a religious order. Obviously they can train and hone latent force power, but they also have a religious credo and way of life related to how the force should be used
It’s EXTREMELY rare. 100 quadrillion sentient beings and only 10,000 Jedi.
If it’s hereditary then they’re making the Jedi all go extinct
Jar jar.
Yes
yeah not only is jar jar a terrible character he also gets a crazy amount of screen-time in the first hour
Spbp
this. everything else was forgivable but this character ruined it for a lot of people
I don't even know why people thought this character was bad or annoying.
the funny thing is that he is really only central to the first 15 minutes of the film. afterwards, he is just there for cutaway jokes and that's it.
it's nowhere near as overbearing as film reviewers claim he is on a modern rewatch.
Dude literally saves the day at the end helping to defeat the droid army with hilarious slapstick. He was essential to the plot.
Jar Jar, young kid Anakin, and Midichlorians.
I'd take jar jar over any onions nu-disney dogshit production
But C-3PO & the Ewoks were okay?
Because it wasn’t a good movie
No Darth Vader, no Empire, No Death Star, No X-Wings, No Millennium Falcon. You know, Star Wars things.
Not the reason. Really depressing how many people think this, though.
People won't stop crying about "what they did" to Luke in TLJ.
People were 100% mad at their headcanon being ruined. People who had never seen the old movies loved the state of the art movies.
That's not what you said before
And yet the merchandise made billions! Now what, Disney Shill?
Disney's in the hole nearly 20 billion! They wish they had some of that yipee in merchandise sales money!
i hear tie fighter sound and i clap like a good dog!
fricking zoomer
>No Darth Vader,
Darth Maul
>no Empire,
Trade Federation
>No Death Star
The Trade ship
>No X-Wings
Nubian Starfighters
>No Millennium Falcon
that silver Nubian starship
>You know, Star Wars things.
Those were Star Wars things
>Don't innovate and never try new things
people like you gave us the sequel trilogy
Yeah they had all of those in the Disney trilogy and those movies were orders of magnitude worse so I don’t think that was the problem.
Yes, Phantom Menace took place over 30 years before A New Hope. The only thing that existed was the YT-1300 freighter that would eventually become Han Solo's Millennium Falcon. Which had already existed since 60 BBY.
I loved it. I refuse to drink pepsi products unless darth maul's faxe is plastered all over the can.
I watched the film for the first time couple days ago, I thought it was passable, probably the worst in the prequel trilogy.
Jar Jar was annoying as hell and Maul was uninteresting villain but I liked Anakin and didn't find him bad
I think it would have been better if they at least hinted at Anakin's transition to Vader. Have a scene where the kid spazzes out and starts breaking shit or hitting his friends. Give him a temper. Instead, young Anakin had literally no personality. Like, none.
I think they should have just skipped 1, started with Anakin in 2, and stretch 2 and 3 out into a trilogy with extra content.
We don't need to see him as a child.
I totally agree. Anakin should have been the same actor. Maybe he can be 14 in the first movie. It would have worked better
He did, they showed he was attached to his mother, and how that influences his actions in AotC.
Woah a kid attached to his mom??? Now that's just crazy! Such personality!
Somebody Remind me why anakin never got his mum out of sandplanet when he became an adult?
Did you skip the movie where he literally tries to do that?
it doesnt matter, lucas is acting death. either the kid sucked at acting which seemed to be the case or he would have suck anyway because of lucas like with all the other actors
they simply cant be saved with such a simple change.
Yeah. Kid was fine in Jingle All the Way. Lucas just didn't give him decent material and couldn't direct him either.
Jake Lloyd was a great actor Lucas just wanted weird performances from him and the other actors.
The podrace was the best part and concept for the movie
Yeah the only real way to save it would have been to limit child Anakin's story to a 10-15 minute prologue, then bump him up to teenager for the rest of the movie.
Maybe, but I think I can guess why Lucas didn’t do that. He didn’t want Anakin to be a “bad apple” whose issues were always there. It was his choice not to let go of his attachments that led him to the Dark Side
Fricking lmao. This is the same kind of smart-ass who thinks Leia in the current TV show is too eloquent for her age. Anakin's attachment towards his mother, as well as his attitude towards the Jedi Council when tested, were sufficient seeds to hint towards his inevitable demise. Do you want him to imitate Vader's breathing while he pretends to force-choke a tuskin raider or something? The word subtlety, if one can even call those basic storytelling elements that, is lost upon you.
they did, but cut it
Doesn't he slaughter an entire village, including the women and the children, because they kidnapped his mom
>KORRAHHHHHHHHHH
>MATAHHHHHHHHHHHH
>KORRAH RATAMAHHHHHHHH
based
it would have been neat to have been on set and saw everyone with such high expectations. im sure everything thought they were going to make history (in the good way)
Same reason most people still dislike it today. Terrible acting, terrible script, terrible humor.
It was one of those films where you enjoyed it at first but after a week or so you start to feel it wasn't that great is just too colourful and almost cartoonish. Doesn't have dark quality the originals have, Lucus should have made it in 1985.
Kids and teenagers loved it, I remember seeing it opening weekend in like 3rd grade. People older than that would have been thrown off by the tone but I think in retrospect it's a nice overall arc when you look at films 1 through 3.
Interesting case study I suppose to think about an Anakin origin story that had the same tone as either 3 or the OT. You can't make him some super serious toddler because then the slow transformation to the dark side has no impact at all.
I was a teenager when it came out and thought it was mediocre. Knew it’d be rough as soon as I saw Anakin flying a starfighter in the trailer.
Gen Xrs and boomers mad George didn't make them feel like kids again.
And yet they spent billions on the merchandise Yearly! Do try again, Disney Shill!
Disney shills out enmassé today. Its as if Obi Wan series is another stinker!
>that part when Obi-Wan dabs at Maul
what did George mean by this
Because they didn’t realize how kino it was compared to the diarrhea that George Lucas had in store for viewers later. TPM is the Nikola Tesla of Star Wars
>israelite media says people didn't like it,
>people to not be left out say they don't like it
Because it sucked
Nobody liked anything outside of Darth Maul
And yet,the associated merchandise made Billions!!!!
Try again!!!!
ITT: Zoomers trying to figure out how people thought about things 20 yeare using youtube video essay E celebs as their lens filter
This!
The only true test is the merchandise sales which was in the Billions!
Other than yeed, Disney wars merchandise is dead on arrival!
this
fricking pathetic
terrible script mostly
Jar Jar and Midichlorians were the immediate culprits people tried to use to explain how unpleasant it was to watch but it was basically like complaining about the dirty drapes in a flooded house
Then nerd media basically decides to push a narrative that Phantom Menace was complete shit when they were trying to shill Attack of the Clones, like this movie is sooo much better than TPM guys, you wouldn't believe how much better. Then you saw it and it was far worse and Lucas was still torturing the OT with special editions and that was it. I never even saw the last one.
Lucas legitimately believed he'd be able to alter everything like they did in the running man. He even said so. Look at the Spirits Withjn! A lot of big wigs thought the technology was there wherein youd only need an actors likenesses
t. moronic gen xer
I like hearing zoomer prequelmongs try to rationalize the special editions, that's really good for your mental health to pretend that shit is fine
>special editions
The definitive editions.
Do you also shit and piss yourself over the "special editions" of every other movie in existence? You do realize right that the majority of movies receive revisions post release, and that many of those are far more significant than the minor alterations to the OT?
Exactly this.
Huge brain behind this post.
I wasn't aware they did until years later.
I watched it as a kid and was hooked
I still dislike it. Because it fricking sucks
I saw the prequels first as a kid and then the OT, the prequels, some of the video games, and The Clone Wars are the only Star Wars things I really like. The art direction and designs in the prequels are just very appealing. Not a huge fan in general though
because george lucas tried his very artistic vision for the franchise. 90% of people wanted some basic ass shit where the dialogue has a heckin sassy han solo saying smarmy shit while running and gunning. but george delivered like a 200 IQ saga of the fall of a republic. which was way over the head of evens 2000s americas declining IQ
No they just wanted the story to be better written. There are many substantial flaws with TPM. Not everyone articulates them completely, but scenes like the entire space battle at the end are just hollow and underwhelming.
ok rlm
I had posted detailed criticism on message boards before YouTube even existed.
everyone liked it when it came out. only morons think otherwise. It was until the review came out when people did 180
People only hated the prequels because critics told them to and the critics had very narrow views as to what Star Wars should be. Watch any immediate reaction to Phantom and you'll see audiences loved it. See
Attack of the Clones was different since you had years of priming and gaslighting and it is genuinely the weakest of the three. The Revenge of the Sith was met with skepticism and then won audiences back. I also think my take is supported by the massive success that was the merchandising of the prequels. Everyone bought the toys, legos, video games. All that shit
>hated the prequels because critics told them to
Clearly we live a world where critics can just plant this idea in people's mind that a masterpiece of a movie is bad out of fricking nowhere.
it's difficult to imagine it now since everyone else's voices can also be amplified
Shut the frick up, you weren't even born.
Fricking zoomers and their obsession with historic revisionism.
People torturing Jar Jar vids are even older
Stop trying to revise history butthole. You were not even born yet.
Still didn’t like it.
I was just about to post this
Back then I think it was because the tone was all over the place and its unclear who the main character was supposed to be
Now its because you're supposed to say you don't like it to have your opinion validated
Kids liked it. I remember loving my prequels Legos. In hindisght it's weird that I loved it, because it's boring as frick, but when Darth Maul shows up and Duel of the Fates starts playing it's just way too much for your tiny stupid kid brain, it's like an overdose of endorphin, you forget the 90 minutes of boring political talk.
It was an ok movie. They were never gonna top the original trilogy anyway. Millennials later tried to psy-op people into believing it was the worst movie ever for some reason though.
I recently rewatched all 6, they're the only good ones anyway. Unless you were a kid when the originals came out, they're perfectly worthy prequels. Hell, anyone born after the year 2000 will probably genuinely like RotS more than any one of the prequels. I can see how zoomers might not like the older ones, as they can be quite cringy and boring as frick if you're not used to watching movies from that time period.
People born after 2000 have opinions that mean nothing.
I was the target audience for this film. I liked the film a lot but even as a 10 year old I felt like the movie was trying to do too much for a single film. I remember discussing the film with my friends at school and we pretty much all ranked it last.
This.
Plebs. 1000x better than anything from the OT.
Early example of a very loud, very online minority giving a false impression a successful movie was unsuccessful.
The child was a shit actor taking the piss out of every scene
Boomers had high expectations thanks to EU novels also they believed The Prequels was going to be more serious but they got Jar Jar and Little Annie saying are you an angel? instead
>teenage girl elected as "queen"
>portrayed as the best politician in the galaxy
what did George mean by this?
I was in high school, saw the m very first midnight showing with all of my friends and half the teenagers in my town. It was a party in front of the theater, so many costumes and everyone was so hyped there was electricity in the air. I'll never forget the explosion of cheering when the Lucasfilm logo appeared. But then the movie happened.
I understand there's been some revisionist history from younger people who saw the film in elementary school saying it wasn't received that badly. All I can say is for me and everyone I knew it was a huge WTF moment, despite the juggernaut of a marketing machine behind it.
Thats because Lucas believed that he could alter the film later using fakefaceapp like tech. Think Running man.
>revisionism
The movie had extremely good legs in box office. Because most people liked it.
>The movie had extremely good legs in box office.
Yes it was the biggest movie event of my entire life
Because most people liked it
No, like I said no one I knew did. What was funny was we all saw it multiple times thinking the fault must be in us. I don't think you grasp how much the original SW trilogy shaped people back then.
>No, like I said no one I knew did
You were in high-school, not the target audience of the movie. Every kid my age back then liked the movie.
i was in middle school and hated it. i even collected all the pepsi soda cans with everyones face on it during the run up to the movie. after the movie i vividly remember talking to my dad about what a dumb movie it was and specifically remember complaining about jarjar being stupid
Except everyone of all ages liked the OT. Plenty of kids movies don't have the same kinds of problems as the Star Wars prequels.
And it's also bullshit. High school age was prime demo for Star Wars.
Because it was insanely marketed, hyped and was a technical marvel. It was marketed as a huge achievement like Avatar. But any Star Wars fan would immediately tell you that it sucks
Episodes 2 and 3 still did well, therefore most people liked them.
Keep saying the same thing over and over again moron. Most people like the Disney movie too by that logic
It took a few days for it to set in, for me. I had psyched myself up so much I didn't want to admit it was bad.
I watched this today.
It's incredibly hokey.
Enjoyable, but ridiculously hokey.
>Why did people dislike it when it came out?
Jar Jar and the Gungans
Queen Abadaba-doo and her slurred "we must do something quickly" dialogue
Age gap between Anakin and Abadaba-doo was off putting.
And the age of Anakin too
Midichlorians dispelling the myth around the force.
Boring ass senate sessions
Not enough Sith development, and "why they want revenge"
Primitive Gungangs vs. Advanced Robots....echos of stupid RotJ Ewoks vs. Stormtroopers.
>Midichlorians dispelling the myth around the force.
Nope. The Force was never explained.
>Primitive Gungangs vs. Advanced Robots....echos of stupid RotJ Ewoks vs. Stormtroopers.
This was almost the worst part.
At least the Ewoks were fighting on their home turf in a dense forest and not on a flat field attacking in line formation
its legitimately a bad movie and still is. even as a kid i thought it was fricking stupid except for the fight in your pic (although the way the fight ends is still silly)
that mural is so fricking cringey
Lack of interesting or emotionally resonant characters, weird mix of trying to be adult with a convoluted plot about fricking trade disputes and then stupidly childish stuff like Jarjar, annoying child Anakin.
Jake Lloyd was annoying, the story was moronic, Palpatine was completely wasted
I went to the theater with my dad when this came out. I was exactly the same age as Anakin in this movie and I remember loving every second of it. I didnt want it to end lol.
In retrospective, though, as an adult I dont care for any of these movies, not even the old ones. Funnily enough, the only series that holds up for me is Tartakovsky's Clone Wars, I can watch that any day and enjoy it.
same reason people dislike it today
ah, stupid reasons. I see.
you are entertained by keys being dangled in front of your face
just say you don’t know anything about mise en scene and only listen to films while checking twitter, my man
Projection
>inb4 Prequels good cause it rips off better films
>the quality of a piece of art is correlated to the originality of the piece
you have to be 18 to post here
You seem to be still in high school since you just failed at giving a reading comprehension of my post.
But yes George copying shots from 7 samurai does not make a badly written movie good.
>You seem to be still in high school since you just failed at giving
ESL a little lighter next time
>I'm out of arguments so I'll say ESL lol
ok, moron
>bro it homages a better film, that means it’s bad
excellent argument, Mr Chang
>that means it’s bad
I never wrote that. Please spare us this and admit you have no arguments.
>if I drop some filmmaking terms and act wienery, nobody will notice I haven't said anything substantial whatsoever.
moron
I grew up watching the OT. Me and all my friends were very excited to watch a new Star Wars movie in the theater. Everything was great until the Jedi went to Naboo. Then we all noticed the change in tone. Jar Jar of course was off putting. Seeing one of the most iconic villains in the history of cinema turned into an ignorant little kid was very disappointing. The rest is history.
hey zoomer prequel defenders, explain why lucas pussied out on midichlorians and never brought it up again
even as a kid i noticed that qway gone was using a female razor as a sensor in that scene. was really weird even know i knew star wars had a history of using slightly altered real life items for props
>explain why lucas pussied out on midichlorians and never brought it up again
Because Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, and Disney can't do frick all with the material...?
Or lore-wise, you can assume a lot of knowledge about force-users were buried after "Order 66", that people just seem to forget about all that midichlorian crap after Episode 4 and onwards.
Why would he need to? Midichlorians were a narrative took to demonstrate how separated the jedi had become from the spiritual aspects of their religion anyway
did you forget the darth plagueis scene in ROTS?
Because critics told them to and there was no social media to dissent against journos with no taster
I didn't give a shit what critics said you homosexual.
There was a huge hate campaign for the prequels funded by George's enemies in hollywood and people were dumb enough to believe it. Cry more boomer you got got
>there is a huge conspiracy to make people believe that bad films were in fact, bad
stunning
I still went to see the movie, and I was 19. They should never have tried to use a child actor. Nothing would have been different if we had picked up the story at Attack of the Clones and there had been two movies before Anakin's downfall.
Please have a nice day. Please. Pretty please.
wrong, nerd critics shilled it hard and true boomer legit critics didn't give full scores to anything but oscar bait in the '80s and '90s and still gave it approving B+ kind of scores. The industry knew they had to push it. It just sucked.
I feel like the only person in the world who liked phantom menace more than any other star wars film, I actually like jar jar a lot right up until the final battle where his 'blundering fool' jokes don't really have a purpose anymore
I'm gonna go watch the absolute kino that was TPM's lightsaber fights. God bless Lucas.
I honestly don`t really remember people disliking it that much. Like, everybody agreed it was not as good as the OT but that was about it.
people didnt like it but it took a little to set in and there was also an expectation that it was a fluke and the second and third movie will make up for it
even before the third was released there was still hope and everyone was pumped that it was getting a pg13 rating and thought that must be a good sign and it was going to save the entire trilogy
It kind of did save it though. Is the prequel trilogy flawed? Absolutely. Between some questionable acting here and there, some terrible CGI character models and some really cringe writing one can hardly call it anything but that. But in the big picture, even if some of the ideas were poorly designed and executed, the balance ends up being positive. The prequels flesh out important characters like Vader and Obi wan, explore previously established planets like Tatooine and Corruscant while making great new additions like Naboo, have some of the best fights (both in therms of narrative and emotional value as well as the choreographs) and contribute some of the most iconic soundtracks... all while remaining faithful to the visual style (compositions/ editing/ value/ color). In the end the prequels are valuable additions that added to the universe and the story. Good or bad i think people undoubtedly recognizes them as Star Wars movies.
What we were looking for was something that would make us feel eight again. But we didn't get it until the opening scene in RotS. Holy frickballs. It was like the Battle of Britain in space. Even my godson's mousy little housewife mother couldn't stop gabbling about it.
I guess bowing to Black folk isn't as bad as killing and dying for Israel.
Because it was nothing like lightsaber fights in Star Wars.
It was shit.
They didn't.
People loved it when it came out. You've been gaslighted.
everyone hated it young and old. youre not owning disney by engaging in historical revisionism.
can you imagine kids dressing up for halloween as their favorite prequel character lol
I'm 32.
We loved it when it came out.
im 35. youre wrong
You're wrong and gay.
Cope gay
>can you imagine kids dressing up for halloween as their favorite prequel character lol
Uh Darth maul was a huge hit for Halloween. Easily one of the most common costumes at the time.
>everyone hated it young and old.
The entire prequel trilogy had a budget of 343 million and it made 2.56 billion at the box office.
I hated the prequels when you were still in your dad's balls, zoomer
kids loved it
adults hated jar jar
>kids loved it
>adults hated jar jar
the only person in my entire life up until now that didnt have nothing but but bad things to say about jarjar was my dad. i was a kid and ranting about how bad the movie and jarjar was and he sort of brushed away the jarjar criticism and just said that he wasnt that bad and that hes supposed to be stupid
Nothing interesting happens
Because it's cool to act like you dislike something that everyone is looking forward to. If you were cool you'd know that.
Because Disney plays a dirty fricking game towards its acquisition targets.
I was 10 and had grown up on the 1995 vhs boxset for a few years before the prequels. It was good but it felt forced in some spots and I even cringed at the anakin and jar jar stuff at that age. Watching it now is wonderful, never a dull moment. It might be the best prequel, it is star wars incarnate.
It's still a shit movie and no amount of Disney garbage will change that. Attack of the Clones is even worse.
I distinctly remember the hype about the third prequel movie being "This is the good one". This idea that prequel hate is revisionism or muh youtuber/disney is pure cope.
you can very easily check this too by looking at all the "pg13" articles before its release. everyone saw it as a sign that it was going to make big changes from the first two and finally be worth watching
Nah it's clearly propaganda coming from a youtube video that has 3 million views. Also the movies made a lot of money so they must be good right?
because the boomers were too rose-tinted and petty to understand the narrative purpose of funny jamaican armadillo going "meesa mup da doo didda po mo gub bidda jar jar bix nood cof bin dub ho muhfugga" while a bunch of alien transvestites fly around like ragdolls.
>funny jamaican armadillo going "meesa mup da doo didda po mo gub bidda jar jar bix nood cof bin dub ho muhfugga" while a bunch of alien transvestites fly around like ragdolls.
pure kino and "mise en scene" if you will
Jar jar binks
>Uhmmm no you're just being le bandwagon man
I watched it as a dumb kid and even back then I hated jarjar
I still very much like episode 1 and it's my favorite of the prequels.
And I did see the original trilogy before I saw episode 1 in theaters.
They didn't have the sequel trilogy to make it look good by comparison
>mentioning the elephant in the room
now youve done it
Because it wasn't very good. The only good part of the entire film except for the costumes was the reveal of the double sided Saber, which was in the commercials
Nobody mentioned it and idk about it because I was a wee lad, but isn't c3po being built by vader the stupidest coincidence ever?
>but isn't c3po being built by vader the stupidest coincidence ever?
no, star wars is so chock full of dumb shit exactly like that that its not even worth mentioning. han solo and boba fett also used to drad race together. yoda got saved by chewbacca. everything in the universe happens on three planets, one of them supposedly know for being an unimportant backwater
>no, star wars is so chock full of dumb shit exactly like that that its not even worth mentioning
None of that other shit existed when TPM came out, or at least was not part of the movie canon or Zahn books. Saying this just makes you look like a moron.
>None of that other shit existed when TPM came out, or at least was not part of the movie canon or Zahn books. Saying this just makes you look like a moron.
yes i know but the et existed when tpm came out and it was much worse. actually the han solo and boba fett thing was already there i think. boba fett got in a lightsaber fight with vader at one point. i mean im not going to get deep into it, basically every character on screen during the ot had at some point in the past met every other character in some grand adventure
i mean the eu not et
No way that dog actually gas a driver's license
Dredging up the dumbest obscure extended universe shit you can find to suggest people should overlook how stupid C-3P0's portrayal was in TPM is moronic.
> basically every character on screen during the ot had at some point in the past met every other character in some grand adventure
No, they hadn't, to the vast majority of the audience.
For someone with autism like yours, it is best to just not talk about the EU at all when trying to discuss the movies. You do not understand how this shit works.
You only think it's a coincidence because you were introduced to him first and then saw his origin later. If you watch the movies in the correct order I -> VI then there is no coincidence, it's just how his story plays out.
Good bait
How is it any more of a "coincidence" than R2-D2 being owned by Anakin?
You're right, they are equally moronic
Is it also a "moronic coincidence" that Luke meets Yoda in ESB? You seem to think that any character appearing more than once in a set of six movies is some kind of "coincidence."
lol good bait bro but you're being too obvious
Try being a tad less moronic next time
>Han becomes a general in ROTJ
WOOOOW what a stupid fricking coincidence. Just because he saved the rebel alliance twice in the previous movies he's now a general? Who wrote this shit?
I said LESS moronic
I thought that other guy was right and that you were baiting. Every post you make just makes you look dumber and totally incapable of making any intelligent point about the story.
You mean Obi-Wan?
ANH is ambiguous about whether R2D2 is telling the truth at all about Obi-Wan being a former master. Leia told R2 to seek him out.
Either way, it's a coincidence with a major positive story-payoff in ep4. It's not just an extremely lazy reason to include a character in the story.
Although I really don't know why I bother trying to talk about writing with people who engage in moronic whataboutism between the prequels and OT.
>a coincidence with a major positive story-payoff
So you people literally think that any character reappearing in a later film is a "coincidence" kek. Is it a coincidence that Luke and Leia are Anakin's kids? Is it a coincidence that Luke is force sensitive? Is it a coincidence that the clones are clones of Jango Fett? Why are you acting like any normal plot point is a coincidence?
>So you people literally think that any character reappearing in a later film is a "coincidence" kek.
No, you think I'm saying that because you are really dumb.
And, the problem isn't just coincidence, but a pointless coincidence that makes the world seem too small and convenient. Some contrivance can be tolerated in storytelling, but too much tends to cause problems. You are a stupid binary-thinker and have no ability to distinguish between too much or too little of something.
>Is it a coincidence that Luke and Leia are Anakin's kids?
No.
>Is it a coincidence that Luke is force sensitive?
No.
> Is it a coincidence that the clones are clones of Jango Fett?
Yes. That is a stupid coincidence that makes the setting seem far smaller and more contrived.
>Why are you acting like any normal plot point is a coincidence?
I'm not. You are acting like you are too stupid to tell the difference between a story maintaining focus on a protagonist and his immediate family (parent/child relationships), and the gigantic fricking pile of coincidences it takes to connect C-3PO from TPM to ANH.
Why would Anakin build a protocol droid and not literally any other kind of droid that a young boy like him would be interested in? There is no good reason. It's a contrivance to put C-3PO in a story where it makes no sense at all for him to be.
>> Is it a coincidence that the clones are clones of Jango Fett?
>Yes. That is a stupid coincidence
Actual moron
>doesn't answer any of the points
i accept your concession
TPM: Everyone hates Jar Jar and Anikin, but jedi stuff and podracing was cool
AOTC: Everybody hated it.
RotS: Everyone made fun of NNNOOOOO but thought the movie was an improvement. Many ranked it up with ROTJ, possibly out of cope or an attempt to look impartial ("I didn't like the first two but I can at least admit the third was pretty good")
Contrary to zoomer opinion, the movies caught a lot kf flak well before RLM. But they still made lots of money and a lot of kids were into it.
Boomer contrarianism.
It's actually Peepeepoopoomer and don't forget it kid
I loved it when it came out but because I was 7, wish I could watch it again in that mindset.
The yung Anakin dialogue was too realistic
95% of the movie is pretty boring and the ship designs didn’t match anything from the OT. Plus for some reason people hated jarjar. I always thought TPM was a rough start but was just Lucas getting his sea legs back after years of not directing. When AOTC came out I was shocked at how silly and stupid it was, Yoda flipping around, cardboard friendships and live interests, cgi clones vs cgi droids, no mention of maul, very little mention of qui gon, a whole new actor to play anakin, cgi drenched in everything. When ROTS came out I was just depressed at that point. I spent like ten years getting psyched for this nonsense. It was a massive disappointment. I still, to this day, watch TPM and get a sense of optimism and hope but the realization of how bad everything that came after it was always dawns on me and I feel conflicted. I wish Lucas had never made the prequels and had never sold the films to Disney. He really is a huge butthole.
Pay attention zoomers, this is an actually decent description of how star wars fans felt at the time
>the ship designs didn’t match anything from the OT.
one of the very first things i ever saw for the movie was a toy naboo ship. since i had never seen it flying or in anything at all and since it had such a weird design, i thought the back was the front and the front the back for months until i finally saw a trailer or something
>jarjar and joking robot slapstick soldiers getting into a goofy battle with an entire army of dumb jarjars for no discernible reason
youre moronic. tpm was just as bad as everything else and it was noticeable right when you saw it
Not really, TPM has a pretty good soundtrack, the fight with Maul was pretty cool. It also had better pacing. AOTC and ROTS felt like looney tunes with the cgi all over the place, people riding cgi animals people flying through the air everything moving at a breakneck pace, cgi diners, cgi clone troopers vs cgi robots. The Jedi powers also just seemed cartoonish. In TPM the Jedi powers seemed more grounded like an extension of martial arts, it was within the realms of believability. With the other films it crossed the barrier of belief into just people flipping around everywhere Yoda leaping around doing billions of backflips the physics made no sense. And everything seemed cheap as hell and meaningless. Anakin struts to the dark side was like a light switch. Also Hayden doesn’t look anything like a heroic star pilot, he just looks like a backstreet boy. TPM was decent and had potential although it could have been much better, but it was AOTC and ROTS that sealed the fate of prequels as sucking.
>cgi podracing
>cgi jamaicans vs cgi robots
>cgi ships vs cgi ships
>goofy moronic kid saves the day and destroys the invasion fleet as basically a joke meant to get laughs
maul was great sure but his two fights were so different than the rest of the movie and since they didnt even give him speaking lines it didnt even feel like it was part of the same movie as everything else
Cgi pod racing was fine because it’s a machine, it‘a not in constant motion like a striding cgi animal/beast. The underwater people actually were real though, so there was a bit of a reason to care about what happened. With clones vs robots who gives a frick? Anakin destroying the space station was pretty stupid, but for some reason I don’t care, it doesn’t really bother me. Again the problem I have is with the cgi animals and looney tunes physics. What the Jedi are doing in these films is so outlandish that it’s beyond luck and just plot armor. Especially that lava fight scene in ROTS it just looks insanely stupid and fake. If those buttholes were in the middle of a lake of fire like that they would both already be burned just by being so close. It lacks believability and almost seems like a crazed fever dream cartoon of lucas, not an actual Star Wars film. And the acting and directing is atrocious.
jin bet the slavery of humans and his whole mission including the fate of an entire planet and royalty that was entrusted to his care on winning a dumb fricking street race when hes a galactic glowBlack person and could just kill any dirty israelite he wanted and take whatever he felt like (even without killing anyone if he so felt like it)
the entire plot of the movie is loonie toons bullshit that makes no sense and is the cause for you not caring that vader defeated the invasion, because who cares about anything thats going in the movie except the cool well done maul fights?
I wouldn’t call the plot looney tunes and unbelievable, it was believable. The problem with TPM was simply that it was convoluted and boring. It wasn’t a “bad” film, it just was a little flat. AOTC and ROTS was just came off like a crazed fever dream. It was like people zipping past the screen and actions so outlandish and bizarre here are some examples:
Compare those to the physics of TPM maul fight:
This one feels kind of believable like it could be real like even though magic shit is happening. With the other movies it goes off the rails into cartoon fever dream nonsense.
are you saying that TPM doesn't go into cartoonish nonsensical fever dream stuff?
cause that's all i saw
I guess it does happen like in the pod racing scenes and with some of the aliens and the underwater people but it’s not like totally and completely saturated in it like the other movies were. In TPM it was like cartoon happening within a movie but with AOTC and ROTS it was like just full blown cartoon the whole time.
>linking the single good thing about tpm that everyone agrees is the one good thing about the movie including me since ive already made that very clear as proof that everything about the movie is good
dishonest. the maul fights exist outside the rest of the movie story/plot/effects/acting/everything wise
Why did you post that image?
You're right about the ships, less so about everything else especially the podracing. The gungans vs droids was well-done, effects-wise. The issue was more just the droids themselves being kind of stupid and the entire conflict just escalated too quickly.
And I think that the thing with the whole space sequence is that it could have been fixed. The problem wasn't so much that cheap effects undermined the storytelling, the storytelling itself was just bad. There was very little progression to the space battle, it was barely more than random skirmishing until Anakin crash-lands and accidentally wins the whole movie by hitting the torpedo button by mistake.
(not that anon by the way, but I think I get his point)
>There was very little progression to the space battle, it was barely more than random skirmishing until Anakin crash-lands and accidentally wins the whole movie by hitting the torpedo button by mistake.
This shit always bothered me even as a kid seeing the film for the first time. As a kid the thing I liked most about star wars was the space fighters and space battles. While TPM had great designs it completely failed to utilize them in any interesting way at all.
I agree. in hindsight TPM's biggest problem is having a boring trade politics plot take up so much dry time in what's otherwise a decent kid-friendly adventure flick. If it's script committed more in either direction- getting rid of the drier elements or the goofiest kid elements- it could've been OK
Ewoks are much stupider than a lightsaber fighting Yoda. Ending your epic trilogy on a silly, childrens show tier Ewok song is less tonally consistent than anything in the prequel trilogy.
everyone hates ewoks zoomie Black person. theyve hated them since the first second they were on screen
>every Gen Xer b***hes about Lucas improving the film with proper, regal victory music and focuses on the Jar Jar line that’s deeply buried in the mix
very, very dishonest post
I don’t see how it’s stupid. There are primitive tribes that act similar to Ewoks. It’s actually kind of an interesting concept to see little bears that sort of act like primitive people. It’s not as outlandish as cgi Yoda flipping around like a gymnast when he can barely walk twenty years later. I felt like the Ewoks were cool although I will admit that they did dwell on it too much and the way they beat the empire vehicles was pretty stupid. They probably should have just helped the rebels in another way like helping them navigate. But tonally, the end of ROTJ was extremely positive. The mood was totally consistent. Maybe you just wanted more edgelord shit but that’s not what star wars is about. It’s about friendship and positivity.
>Maybe you just wanted more edgelord shit but that’s not what star wars is about. It’s about friendship and positivity.
>implying New Hope wasn’t a gritty, grainy New Hollywood film with blood, murder and bars full of criminals
now look whose revising history
I mean the overarching story. It’s about having faith in yourself and in your friends and family, being willing to trust that they will save you and that you will save them. Think about Han, the dirty selfish smuggler, saving Luke in ANH. Or about lando risking his ass to save Luke, Leia and Chewy in ESB, Han saving Luke in the beginning. It’s all about friends working together and having each other’s backs. This in contrast the empire which is the oppposite.
>ewoks could work as long as you remove all the ewok scenes from the movie and do something completely different
well your not wrong...
No I think Ewoks were fine, just slightly misused.
Ewoks are just proto minions
>But I love minions they're so positive
Yeah but you're moronic
I never saw minions but I still have no problem with the Ewoks in ROTJ, I just felt like they were over used and should not have been able to destroy so many empire vehicles in such silly ways. They should have just helped the rebels and let the rebels physically defeat the troops,
>I still have no problem with the Ewoks in ROTJ, I just felt like they were over used and should not have been able to destroy so many empire vehicles in such silly ways. They should have just helped the rebels and let the rebels physically defeat the troops,
Yep, good take.
Ewoks play a solid role in the story, it just might go a little far here and there.
Revenge of the Sith is legit great and I'm tired of pretending it isn't. Unironically better than a New Hope and completely redeems the trilogy.
The trailer made the movie look better than it was. Jarjar was a big complaint. It didn't feel like star wars, which at the time was the original trilogy.
A lot of the common complaints you hear today are more modern and were popularized by RedditLetterMedia.
the literal thing that made the rlm review popular was that it clearly explained what everyone already felt
>this movie is dumb. everything is dumb about it. the costumes are dumb and boring, why are they dressed like that? they are demigods and they are supposed to be all power and corrupt
>they are dressed like that to leech off nostalgia from when obiwan had a brown robe for his disguise in the OT but its dumb because it was specifically a disguise and not how jedi normally dressed
>oh shit youre right
The only good Star Wars film is Empire Strikes Back and the rest are generic, mediocre sci-fi films that are only touted as good because of their cultural significance.
>The only good Star Wars film is Empire Strikes Back
we already knew what you redditors thought.
duel of the fates is the highest point of star wars though.
The anticipation was immense. When people weren't greeted with the exact interpretation of Star Wars that they'd fostered during their childhoods, they rejected it. A large part of the audience also expected Star Wars to 'grow up' with them and be more along the lines of The matrix or Goodfellas in space, even though they were first in line to buy toys by the handful.
Only die hard star wars fans who are into lore and fleshing out the universe really like it. I love Phantom Menace but I've been a huge star wars nerd since the early 80s. I totally understand why so many people didn't like it - it's too reliant on fans knowledge of the franchise and does not stand well on it's own.
They didn’t dislike it, it. They were just disappointed because it didn’t meet expectations and it wasn’t as good as the previous movies.
But people saw it multiple times in theaters and the merchandise for it was very successful. People like the aesthetics and the toys and the games a lot.
>They were just disappointed because it didn’t meet expectations
This is the source of the vast majority of complaints about the prequels. Adult neckbeards who saw the OT as children were given years to form their own headcanon about Vader's story. Then Lucas's vision (OF HIS OWN FRANCHISE THAT HE CREATED) ended up being very different to the headcanon they had invented. And instead of just accepting this, these manchildren freaked out, accused George of "raping their childhoods," and made hour-long video essays explaining how Lucas's vision (OF HIS OWN UNIVERSE THAT HE CREATED) "doesn't make sense" because X, Y, and Z "should have been done differently" to adhere to what they wanted to see.
Strawman
yeah, that was a dumb post
That's what he's saying, and I agree with him. TPMs basic problem is that it's too boring.
Completely moronic. People didn't really have "headcanon" about it, there wasn't much to go on. They were excited to see the Vader backstory and were mostly offended by the execution.
They didn't. That's a narrative that built up over the years following.
I was in middle school, the intended audience. I fricking loved it.
They didn't. People loved it, besides vocal nerds on the internet, which is exactly how it is now
Even as a kid seeing this, I liked Return of the Jedi on VHS better.
The bar was set impossibly high by the original trilogy, leading to massive hype followed by hatred for the prequels.
The sequels later lowered this bar massively, leading to memes and people genuinely appreciating the prequels.
I liked it. I didn't like AotC or episode 3 though. Now the only prequel I like on rewatch is ep 3
I thought it was good but I was a teenager. All the boomers said they liked the older ones better. Whaterver. I don't care about starwars and capeshit.
We didn't know that star wars cheese was a feature not a bug.
Just watch 5 fricking seconds of it and you'll see why. It's hard to believe how lifeless and charmless everybody acts compared the the originals. You don't even need any criticism beyond that, it dooms the movie to being boring and impossible to get invested in.
I wasn't born yet so I don't know.
it was alright
and to be clear: people did want to see C-3PO and R2D2. A rigorously well-told story would probably not have included them at all, especially not in TPM. They would have had cameos or very small roles in the later movies at best.
So, people would be willing to tolerate some contrivance to have R2-D2 and C-3PO around. But having Anakin build C-3PO was just going way too far. It was almost rubbing people's noses in the low standards. At least let people pretend like it's not just pure fanservice.
And shit like the clones all being Jango Fett is just utterly pointless. Nobody would have missed Boba Fett's dad not being in the prequel trilogy, and certainly not as the literal source of all clones in the clone war.
Again, it's literally just manchildren crying about how Lucas had a different vision than them.
should have been droid they picked up from the israelite or vaders droid pit crew. or even jin hired them to fix the ship and then once they get attacked by maul he just tosses them in the ship and blasts off in their fast bid to escape
>rigorously well-told story
Can you explain to us what a "rigorously well-told" version of the prequels would look like then, since you're apparently an expert writer now?
They shouldn't have wanted to. It was bullshit for the same reason putting Han and Leia in Jedi was bullshit. They're just iterating on a fricking formula that sells tickets and merchandise instead of trying to make a goddamn film that isn't insultingly stupid.
nah its ok just the execution sucked. those two are already established in the ot to be constantly changing hands and working for people all over the galaxy and since they dont age too its super easy to toss them anywhere. they should have been one of the only callbacks to the ot though
What purpose do these callbacks serve? Frick off. What actual reason is there for R2D2 to be a silent narrator of Star Wars who was present for every significant event over an 80 year period?
because they are ironically star wars and its a movie, not real life. the prequels suck because they are shitty movies, not because they arent realistic enough or something
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE ONE RING AND STING AND FOEHAMMER AND GANDALF AND BILBO AND THE SHIRE WERE ALREADY IN THE HOBBIT YOU CANT PUT THEM IN LOTR TOO THAT BAD STORYTELLING
You are the actual caricature RLM insists exists.
>NOOOOO IVE BEEN PRE #CANCELLED BY YOUTUBE E-CELEBS YOU CANT DO THIS TO MEEEEEEEEE
>ironically
iconically
C3PO mirrors Anakin's mental and physical state throughout the movies, it's very important to show. It's also important to know that Anakin enjoys building and fixing things. Get a brain. This is all in the DVD commentaries.
The time and mindless energy wasted on Jar Jar Binks and his goofy waterworld could have been used building/foreshadowing Aniken. The introduction of the Gungans was a waste of resources.
And the droids, the aweful droid soldiers of the Trade Federation.
Duel of the Fates and its fight scene are some of the best contributions to Star Wars ever. Boomers will stay seething.
How people hate jar jar and love c3p0 and r2d2 is beyond me.
>beep boop beep
>how you dare say that r2d2!!
>repeat the same gag a dozen times
>boomers and nerds shit themselves
I swear to God that you have to be moronic to like those two and hate jar jar.
i dont like c3p0 and only started to hate r2s2 with the prequels when he was solving every problem and being shoved down your throat
They are the same character (r2d2, c3p0 & jar jar), obnoxious comedic relief with a subplot. The only way jar jar is inferior is in its less iconic design. Same goes for the prequels. You can't top vader, yoda, the death star... But overall I like them, and genuinely think they are hated only by manchildren with headcanon who think that the OT is perfect. Darth Maul and duel of fates is obviously kino, and killing him in the first movie is by far the biggest mistake of the prequels.
right...jarjar has worse design (much worse to the point of being aggressively annoying) than the gay robots therefor hes a worst character and the droids better...was there some point you were trying to make?
That loving one and hating the other is fricking moronic and that you are a mouthbreather with headcanon
what?
how can people not like this movie? even if you dont like the writing, every 5 or 10 minutes there is a cool new planet, a cool new costume, interesting alien species, great looking ships, new weapons, etc. this is why there were so many fricking games when the prequels came out. episode 1 is the worst prequel imo and has more cool shit in it than the entire sequel trilogy.
Because when all of that's over you have to appraise it as a whole and Rogue One, which has all those beats too, is a better movie than Phantom Menace.
no one wants a rogue one game. no one wants a new trilogy game. people are playing the prequel games even now two decades later. who wanted sequel content in the new battlefront games? who wanted prequel content in the new games? It doesnt matter if you think the script was boring. people still like the characters anyway. count dooku is prety boring and even he has more charisma and likability than the entire sequel cast. and hes just some guy.
more like
last 30 minutes of Rogue One > Phantom Menace >>>>> The rest of Rogue One
All of these aspects can be enjoyed without watching the movie though
i dont understand the point of what youre saying. none of those things would exist without the film. a film is a culmination of multiple factors and even if someone despised the plot or writing, for sake of argument, you cant deny that the prequels still spawned a huge amount of amazing videogames, so they cant be worthless. people are going to be making starwars battlefront "WEVE GOT DROIDS" jokes for another two decades trying to run classic battlefront online through whatever dystopian computer tech we have in the future. no one is going to give a frick about disney star wars. even zoomers.
i really enjoy phantom menence but
1 george should of kept jar jar evil like he planned instead of pussying out a movie later
2 jin and anakin should of had a lot more time together and see their relationship bloom. that one deleted scene an anon posted in this thread is a perfect example
3 less on anakin and more on the 2 jedi. splitting anakin and the final jedi/sith fight at the end was so stupid. i get it, lol vader/luke going back and forth with ewoks! but that's literally the worst part about it. not that ewoks existed, but it kept going back and fricking forth with something people REALLY wanted to just fricking watch.
i want all the monotone shit kept in. george had a fricking vision of all this shit, and it's one of the many reasons anakin went to the dark side. everyone "good" had frick all emotion, and the jedi were indeed a little "is that a good thing?" vibe with them. it's not exactly like this, but just the mentality, that modern day far leftist all think what they are doing is the right thing when it's literally not. seperatiing people by groups is literally racist/sexist/etc. yet they are blind to that and think they are in the right because "equality". the jedi were built to be like that too, but of course no one really wanted to see that the jedi weren't 100% good and i think that's also why people backlashed as much as they did. again it's literally another reason of anakins downfall. sorry im really tired and i just wanted to sperg out
That one fan edit of the prequels is pretty good. Also sets up all the political shit that is going on better.
Honestly, Lucas just needed a bit of an editor. I can appreciate the fact that it at least had SOUL
I enjoyed it when it came out, the pod race is well executed for what it is. Duel of the Fates is iconic. It's almost hilarious in retrospect that Liam Neeson was a jedi.
Tatooine, too much time in the sandbox.
Jar Jar was bad yet only a symptom.
OT fans are the biggest brainlets. The political implications of the PT completely went over their heads.
OH YESSSS MORE CSPAN IN SPACE FOR MY MOVIES PLEASE
WHATS THAT DID THE SPACE SENATOR JUST ADVANCE THE MOTION? BUT HE KNOWS HE DOESNT HAVE THE VOTES FOR THAT! GOING TO BE INTERESTING HOW HE HANDLES THIS SINCE THERE IS ONLY ONE MORE SESSION THIS SPACE YEAR
OH MY GOD IS THAT AN AT-AT? I"M GONNA COOOOOM.
AND A Y-WING TOO? I HECKIN LOVE THE OT TRILOGY!
They were already adult nerds who thought that their children's movie series should not be a children's movie series.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>THIS IS SO DIFFERENT FROM THE MOVIES I KNOW ALREADY NOOOOOO STOOOP
They didn't, but if they did the answer would be jar jar.
for all the fan of the fifth inquisitor 😉
jar jar and kid Anakin.
aside from that people loved everything else. you have to remember the cgi was cutting edge at the time.
kids liked it so Lucas knew what he was doing.
older fans were pissed Star Wars never grew up with them.
>you have to remember the cgi was cutting edge at the time.
except for that droid battle against the gungans in what looked like the windows xp grassy hill wallpaper.
Phantom Menace came out in 1999, Windows XP came out in the early 2ks.
for 1999 it was the best by far. this the Final Fantasy movie from 2001, which had amazing cgi at the time, the movie sucked but it looked nice
people camped out for every single prequel Star Wars film. it was actually pretty fun. people could be critical of them but they'd still see them and Lucas never divided the community like Disney has done.
not all but a lot of fans bought the merc, saw the movie multiple times and emersed themselves in all things Star Wars. even if they were critical they still did this. you were allowed to express opinions.
Disney has done an excellent job at not only destroying beloved characters, shattering the community and generally destroying the IP.
**It's a good action sci-fi movie**would recommend **will watch again**
We liked the movie, jar jar binks was unnecessary, that's all, no hate, just wasted time with jar jar.
Multiple years of headcanon built up + hack critic hitpieces on anti-Hollywood Lucas. And then just a very basic misunderstanding of Lucas' style.
Prequels are his peak as a filmmaker. Only overly analytical 'tuber types dislike the movies.
KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO