She literally wasn’t even fat??? She’s normal?? I wish they had an actual fat girl to showcase fat struggles. Not Diane though. Why did they even make her fat? Have you ever seen a fat asian before? It’s just unrealistic.
Depression is an idle rich person's disease. Anyone who has to work an actual job with responsibilities has little time to mope around.
So the writers try to justify their depression by giving it a cool existentialist vibe in the show.
financial stress, such as being poor, can actually trigger depression you psychiatrylet
Yeah, dude, HH WAS fat. There's all kinds of "cope" words for it: fluffy, pudgy, etc, but if you got a gut and love handles, or look 3-4 months preggers when you're NOT...you're fat. Deal with it.
>Have you ever seen a fat asian before?
Plenty. The only difference is they actually feel bad about it and don't say "you need to be body positive about me being 300 lbs you bigot"
They're trying to give meaning to their own illness. If they ever had to face the reality that depression just is what it is without any kind of greater or profound substance to it, they'd kill themselves.
Depression is an idle rich person's disease. Anyone who has to work an actual job with responsibilities has little time to mope around.
So the writers try to justify their depression by giving it a cool existentialist vibe in the show.
HH had such an awful time with Bojack, so much bad or random shit happened to her under his care iirc, and her hearing about his thing with that deer girl pushed her over the line I guess.
>Anyone who has to work an actual job with responsibilities has little time to mope around.
Yeah instead they become alcoholics and abuse their wives and kids.
Mental illness isn't real, it's just the result of people not beating their kids anymore. Your kids aren't "autistic", they're just misbehaving little shits, and you should just hit them until they stop acting up.
I'm on the opposite side of the fence, only poor people can suffer from depression. If you're rich you can just buy a therapist to cure that shit. Celebrities whine about being depressed when they can just buy their way out of it.
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I dunno, maybe its cope? Depression isn't some sort of deeper meaning, its just a chemical imbalance that makes you feel like shit all the damn time.
They're trying to give meaning to their own illness. If they ever had to face the reality that depression just is what it is without any kind of greater or profound substance to it, they'd kill themselves.
The conclusion to Diane's character arc is literally her coming to understand that there's no point trying to apply some deeper meaning to her depression or her childhood trauma and that she needs to just suck it up, take her meds, and allow herself to be happy, you fricking mongs. This is paralleled a bit in Bojack's story, even if he's not quite there yet himself by the end.
As for OP, Hollyhock has her whole life ahead of her, and doesn't need Bojack's unhinged bullshit potentially dragging her down. She has no reason to believe that he'll stay sober after everything she saw while she was with him and everything she found out about him towards the end. She didn't even know him for very long, she doesn't owe him her blind trust or her presence in his life. I think it's fricking weird how anons treat Bojack's awful actions throughout the show as things the writers unfairly inflicted on him, such that other characters are in the wrong for wanting to hold him accountable for said actions. I feel this has been said so often that it's cliché at this point, but if Bojack was a side character in someone else's story, and you weren't made to sympathize with him or get to see his character growth firsthand and only had his actions to judge him by, he would be a villain in almost every other character's story.
Because by that point in the show, the writers had long since proven they were gonna push every opportunity to shit on Bojack as much as possible, and they had also confirmed they were changing the last two seasons to actively complain more about societal issues and what established industry old heads are able to get away from. Of course he'd be cut off, between how they ramped things up both in the present and retroactively, how much they want a big negative reaction to it, and how it's been a big to-do these past few years about how family members shouldn't be given extra benefit of the doubt/understanding just because of blood
Why does this trigger 4chuds so much. Bojack isnt a relateable character. He's a celebrity as well that gets away with grooming and exploitation while also being a general subhuman.
You 4chuds probably identify with him because being a celebrity permanently locks you into the age mentality you were in when you got famous while being an autist and/or depressed severely delays your mental maturity development
>Bojack isnt a relateable character.
He had relatable aspects in the first few seasons, being a jaded, depressed alcoholic with no real "human" connections. Being cowardly, self-pitying, incapable of moving forward, etc.
The show treats him more harshly towards the end but even then, it's not like they make him out to be Harvey Weinstein, and even his ending is a somewhat optimistic one, better than what he deserves IMO
Near the end of the show I only really cared about her and Pickles. Everyone else kind of disgusted me.
The fact that these two characters were not permitted to even exist if they weren't there to amuse the main cast made me feel even worse about the whole thing.
>Viewer: They're all animals to show that Hollywood is a chaotic zoo of buttholes driven by selfish needs. >Writers: California has surpassed the rest of the world at being near utopia.
Bojack has one of the worst cases of schism between the artist and viewer. Many of you probably thought that the show meant to portray everyone as an butthole. It didn't.
>Writers: California has surpassed the rest of the world at being near utopia
You gays need to get your inferiority complexes in check. This isn't true at all.
Holly hawk was written off the show awfully. For someone so important to get sent away like that through the letter was awful.
Sure we don’t need to see the letter but not even seeing her reaction after finding out was terrible. Just because we don’t need to see it to put two and two together, doesn’t mean we don’t need to see it at all.
Same with the Penny storyline, season 6B was rushed as frick
Holly hawk was written off the show awfully. For someone so important to get sent away like that through the letter was awful.
Sure we don’t need to see the letter but not even seeing her reaction after finding out was terrible. Just because we don’t need to see it to put two and two together, doesn’t mean we don’t need to see it at all.
Same with the Penny storyline, season 6B was rushed as frick
One of the weirdest things as far as I am concerned is how things ended with Carolyn and Ralph when she just suddenly got together with Judah.
Was Judah the self insert of some staff or something? It was just so weird to me.
Now I don't even think the Carolyn x Judah relationship was that weird or bad or anything, if it wasn't for how the whole Ralph relationship, drama, and storyline had directly preceded it.
The big breakup that ended things between Carolyn and Ralph was the whole abortion thing, and the one setting the ultimatum was Carolyn. BUT then she goes ahead and does it anyway. But even though Ralph clearly still loves her, would have no doubt loved to get back together, and even though the big obstacle that ended their relationships on her own terms, is now gone. Ralph is never once mentioned again and she just hops onto Judah instead.
Judah was fricking bizarre. He wasn't comedic. He didn't really have his own story. He didn't seem to need character growth because he was apparently already a complete person, which was uncharacteristic of the show.
It's like he just existed to give PC a good end.
I can see why you would assume there's some other angle to it.
I suspect he was originally supposed to leave the show for good when PC fired him for overstepping his authority even though the results were good, which I guess was yet another "hay guise this is NOT a sitcom!" thing.
>Carolyn and Ralph was the whole abortion thing
You mean the miscarriage thing?
Although you could argue that a miscarriage is an unintentional abortion.
And an abortion is an intentional miscarriage.
Were you here when it was theorized that Princess Carolyn's lead necklace that her mother gave her was making her miscarry?
I thought that was a stupid ending for Carolyn; the solition to her workaholism and neglected personal life is to...marry her secretary. If she was a man this show would mock her mercilessly about wanting a servant instead of a spouse.
I thought it was a weird ending for Princess Carolyn as well. It was very unexpected and felt rushed because we never saw them interact outside of work and there was nothing indicating that she had any interest in him. So it seemed off that she would marry him.
However, looking back...Judah did seem to always have her best interest at heart. And he was supportive of her and let her take the lead. In the end, Princess Carolyn really wanted a partner - both in business and life - and Judah was able to give her that.
Thing is that she didn’t even get his side of the story. Nope, he’s gotta be the bad guy. Drunk girl was drinking her way to the emergency room before he met her. Doe girl came on to him and tried to frick him. Oh, but Bojack is the bad guy…
On one hand, you can empathize with the fact that she was a teenager and some of the most traumatic experiences she had and that influenced her life were because of Bojack. However, I don't think he was totally worth giving up on (at least from her position). Every other character had a better reason to give up on Bojack than her, yet she felt obligated to cut him off because of Repeat Pete or whatever his name was. Bojack didn't do anything to her. Everything bad was either done by her mother and his biggest sin against her was basically cramping her college life while he taught at her school.
Given that she found out about his escapades in Albuquerque, including pressuring kids to drink, then dumping them in a scary situation when things got too real, AND she most likely watched (or heard about, given that she was his known sibling) his second interview with Biscuits that exposed his consistent behavior of grooming and abusing relationships with younger women; she almost definitely felt like having him in her life was just going to end in the same way and didn't want that in her life.
She's a normal person who deserves to live her own life without Bojack's bullshit. She was smarter than most people in Bojack's orbit, she knew enough to not want to be part of his fricked up life.
I don't think being insane like that is actually genetic. Obviously he can blame his genes and say his parents passed on the crazy but they raised him in an abusive house and hollywoo can already make more well adjusted people crazy so of course it got bojack. HH doesn't have his upbringing and she isn't in a position for celebrity status life ruining so she'll probably be fine.
I'm saying that those tendencies exist because he came from a broken household and then became a celebrity. Without the previous damage from bad parents or the opportunity to ruin yourself hollywoo style, hollyhock is much less likely to just destroy her life out of nowhere.
I know but wasn't it implied there she was still in danger of going down that path?
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It's been so long i don't remember but hopefully with bojack as an example she'll just be a chubby cute horse girl on the straight and narrow and avoid that kind of behavior
She didn't betray him. She was a college girl that didn't have to put up with some dudes constant late in life crisis and self distructive tendencies. Thankfully she was raised in a loving supportive family and her self esteem wasn't so low she felt she had to help bojacks endless victim complex. She was too sane and lacking in borderline personality disorder to put up with LAs narcissistic nonsense, it was only unbelievable because for being the youngest she is the most mature character in a show of emotionally stunted 35+ year olds.
nobody thinks Billy was in the wrong when he walked away from his birth mom to find happiness with his adopted family or complains that he "betrayed" his birth mom
Well Billy's mom "betrayed" him first. Hollyhock cancelled Bojack alongside everyone outside of his closest friend circle even though he didn't purposefully wrong her. I can't believe Bojack didn't commit suicide after that.(Not a point of sympathy I just can't believe he didn't off himself under all that emotional damage)
She barely knew bojack. Her family was who adopted her. You think every adopted kid ought to put up with their 20+ year older drug addict siblings bullshit? Why? It's hardly hollyhocks fault bojack is bad at being a functional adult. Nor is it her responsibility to put up with it. That's princess carolines problem.
why do you think
>Women
>Why betray?
Come on anon
She literally wasn’t even fat??? She’s normal?? I wish they had an actual fat girl to showcase fat struggles. Not Diane though. Why did they even make her fat? Have you ever seen a fat asian before? It’s just unrealistic.
>She literally wasn’t even fat??? She’s normal??
Whatever you say amerimutt
It's actually a very American idea, that bodies only exist in extremes
She's Normal for a horse.
I saw sumo wrestlers on tv and fat ugly bastard porn and that gay korean prisoner with a skinny freddie kruger from that snk game
*fat not gay
Sorry Koreans
weight gain is a common side effect of SSRIs
financial stress, such as being poor, can actually trigger depression you psychiatrylet
>Have you ever seen a fat asian before?
Yes, all the fricking time?
dated a fat asian for years. She's perfect representation you fricking landwhale.
Yeah, dude, HH WAS fat. There's all kinds of "cope" words for it: fluffy, pudgy, etc, but if you got a gut and love handles, or look 3-4 months preggers when you're NOT...you're fat. Deal with it.
>Have you ever seen a fat asian before?
Plenty. The only difference is they actually feel bad about it and don't say "you need to be body positive about me being 300 lbs you bigot"
>Post fat girl
>Claim she's normal
Normal for America is still fat tho
Anon was talking about Hollyhock who's normal for a horse. It was a whole mini-arc they went through
She's fat, Chelsea, and so are you
>Have you ever seen a fat asian before
>Have you ever seen a fat asian before? It’s just unrealistic
>Have you ever seen a fat asian before?
Look up Sumo wrestler.
The writers didn’t know what to do with the story, so they just had this happen
Why do depressed writers keep trying to make Depression into some form of enlightenment?
They're trying to give meaning to their own illness. If they ever had to face the reality that depression just is what it is without any kind of greater or profound substance to it, they'd kill themselves.
WTF
Depression is an idle rich person's disease. Anyone who has to work an actual job with responsibilities has little time to mope around.
So the writers try to justify their depression by giving it a cool existentialist vibe in the show.
>armchair psychologist/first world moron
I bet you're not even a wagie
>implying actual jobs with responsibilities don't give people depression
stop repeating your dad's shitty opinions
> stop repeating your dad's shitty opinions
Cinemaphile is not ready to hear this
HH had such an awful time with Bojack, so much bad or random shit happened to her under his care iirc, and her hearing about his thing with that deer girl pushed her over the line I guess.
>Anyone who has to work an actual job with responsibilities has little time to mope around.
Yeah instead they become alcoholics and abuse their wives and kids.
What happens when someone has enough brain capacity so that idle distractions and busywork don't help? Fricking lemming
Hate.
Mental illness isn't real, it's just the result of people not beating their kids anymore. Your kids aren't "autistic", they're just misbehaving little shits, and you should just hit them until they stop acting up.
Now you got a serial killer instead of a screaming little shit, well done anon
Then you have the parents that seem to do everything right and yet their kid still turns out to be an arsonist who kills people in huge fires
>You're not depressed, you're distracted
>Poor people can't have depression. Only Amber Heard
I'm on the opposite side of the fence, only poor people can suffer from depression. If you're rich you can just buy a therapist to cure that shit. Celebrities whine about being depressed when they can just buy their way out of it.
You can always tell a guy got his ass handed to him by his parents and told to suck it up when they shit like this
Now that is a fry on tenki
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I dunno, maybe its cope? Depression isn't some sort of deeper meaning, its just a chemical imbalance that makes you feel like shit all the damn time.
>chemical imbalance
kys
The conclusion to Diane's character arc is literally her coming to understand that there's no point trying to apply some deeper meaning to her depression or her childhood trauma and that she needs to just suck it up, take her meds, and allow herself to be happy, you fricking mongs. This is paralleled a bit in Bojack's story, even if he's not quite there yet himself by the end.
As for OP, Hollyhock has her whole life ahead of her, and doesn't need Bojack's unhinged bullshit potentially dragging her down. She has no reason to believe that he'll stay sober after everything she saw while she was with him and everything she found out about him towards the end. She didn't even know him for very long, she doesn't owe him her blind trust or her presence in his life. I think it's fricking weird how anons treat Bojack's awful actions throughout the show as things the writers unfairly inflicted on him, such that other characters are in the wrong for wanting to hold him accountable for said actions. I feel this has been said so often that it's cliché at this point, but if Bojack was a side character in someone else's story, and you weren't made to sympathize with him or get to see his character growth firsthand and only had his actions to judge him by, he would be a villain in almost every other character's story.
This post is too well thought out and for Cinemaphile but too based for Reddit.
>a villian
He would just be another loser and no less deserverving of sympathy.
>Cinemaphile
>C
I hope you posers drown in acid or at least stop pretending like you truly know this place.
fat horse
Because by that point in the show, the writers had long since proven they were gonna push every opportunity to shit on Bojack as much as possible, and they had also confirmed they were changing the last two seasons to actively complain more about societal issues and what established industry old heads are able to get away from. Of course he'd be cut off, between how they ramped things up both in the present and retroactively, how much they want a big negative reaction to it, and how it's been a big to-do these past few years about how family members shouldn't be given extra benefit of the doubt/understanding just because of blood
So it became anti-nepotism?
meds
Why does this trigger 4chuds so much. Bojack isnt a relateable character. He's a celebrity as well that gets away with grooming and exploitation while also being a general subhuman.
You 4chuds probably identify with him because being a celebrity permanently locks you into the age mentality you were in when you got famous while being an autist and/or depressed severely delays your mental maturity development
>Bojack isnt a relateable character.
He had relatable aspects in the first few seasons, being a jaded, depressed alcoholic with no real "human" connections. Being cowardly, self-pitying, incapable of moving forward, etc.
The show treats him more harshly towards the end but even then, it's not like they make him out to be Harvey Weinstein, and even his ending is a somewhat optimistic one, better than what he deserves IMO
This is Hollywood, no one cares about your crimes after a while.
nice bait
>offended by post
>i-its bait
Cope
Near the end of the show I only really cared about her and Pickles. Everyone else kind of disgusted me.
The fact that these two characters were not permitted to even exist if they weren't there to amuse the main cast made me feel even worse about the whole thing.
>braaaaap
I dropped Bojack the woman choking season what the frick happened?
>Viewer: They're all animals to show that Hollywood is a chaotic zoo of buttholes driven by selfish needs.
>Writers: California has surpassed the rest of the world at being near utopia.
Bojack has one of the worst cases of schism between the artist and viewer. Many of you probably thought that the show meant to portray everyone as an butthole. It didn't.
>Writers: California has surpassed the rest of the world at being near utopia
You gays need to get your inferiority complexes in check. This isn't true at all.
Fat c**t
Holly hawk was written off the show awfully. For someone so important to get sent away like that through the letter was awful.
Sure we don’t need to see the letter but not even seeing her reaction after finding out was terrible. Just because we don’t need to see it to put two and two together, doesn’t mean we don’t need to see it at all.
Same with the Penny storyline, season 6B was rushed as frick
>holly hawk
>holly
>hawk
Hahaha oh nonono
S5 onwards was just shit. I still don't understand why anyone was watching past that trashfire.
Characters outside of the main cast circle just stop existing when they aren't In their vicinity. It's very sad.
One of the weirdest things as far as I am concerned is how things ended with Carolyn and Ralph when she just suddenly got together with Judah.
Was Judah the self insert of some staff or something? It was just so weird to me.
Now I don't even think the Carolyn x Judah relationship was that weird or bad or anything, if it wasn't for how the whole Ralph relationship, drama, and storyline had directly preceded it.
The big breakup that ended things between Carolyn and Ralph was the whole abortion thing, and the one setting the ultimatum was Carolyn. BUT then she goes ahead and does it anyway. But even though Ralph clearly still loves her, would have no doubt loved to get back together, and even though the big obstacle that ended their relationships on her own terms, is now gone. Ralph is never once mentioned again and she just hops onto Judah instead.
Like what the frick?
Judah was fricking bizarre. He wasn't comedic. He didn't really have his own story. He didn't seem to need character growth because he was apparently already a complete person, which was uncharacteristic of the show.
It's like he just existed to give PC a good end.
I can see why you would assume there's some other angle to it.
I suspect he was originally supposed to leave the show for good when PC fired him for overstepping his authority even though the results were good, which I guess was yet another "hay guise this is NOT a sitcom!" thing.
>Carolyn and Ralph was the whole abortion thing
You mean the miscarriage thing?
Although you could argue that a miscarriage is an unintentional abortion.
And an abortion is an intentional miscarriage.
Were you here when it was theorized that Princess Carolyn's lead necklace that her mother gave her was making her miscarry?
I thought that was a stupid ending for Carolyn; the solition to her workaholism and neglected personal life is to...marry her secretary. If she was a man this show would mock her mercilessly about wanting a servant instead of a spouse.
I thought it was a weird ending for Princess Carolyn as well. It was very unexpected and felt rushed because we never saw them interact outside of work and there was nothing indicating that she had any interest in him. So it seemed off that she would marry him.
However, looking back...Judah did seem to always have her best interest at heart. And he was supportive of her and let her take the lead. In the end, Princess Carolyn really wanted a partner - both in business and life - and Judah was able to give her that.
Judah was just good at his job. Simple as that. Making it about him being in love with her is creepy.
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Thing is that she didn’t even get his side of the story. Nope, he’s gotta be the bad guy. Drunk girl was drinking her way to the emergency room before he met her. Doe girl came on to him and tried to frick him. Oh, but Bojack is the bad guy…
On one hand, you can empathize with the fact that she was a teenager and some of the most traumatic experiences she had and that influenced her life were because of Bojack. However, I don't think he was totally worth giving up on (at least from her position). Every other character had a better reason to give up on Bojack than her, yet she felt obligated to cut him off because of Repeat Pete or whatever his name was. Bojack didn't do anything to her. Everything bad was either done by her mother and his biggest sin against her was basically cramping her college life while he taught at her school.
Given that she found out about his escapades in Albuquerque, including pressuring kids to drink, then dumping them in a scary situation when things got too real, AND she most likely watched (or heard about, given that she was his known sibling) his second interview with Biscuits that exposed his consistent behavior of grooming and abusing relationships with younger women; she almost definitely felt like having him in her life was just going to end in the same way and didn't want that in her life.
>grooming and abusing relationships with younger women
>pressuring kids to drink
He facilitated obtaining alcohol but didn't force anyone to drink, IIRC.
>grooming and abusing
Get fricked by a cactus.
>betray
???
Did you see the last season?
FAT HORSE!!!!!
heh
By distancing herself from his destructive life?
Her having 11 dads was moronic
it's eight dads
She's a normal person who deserves to live her own life without Bojack's bullshit. She was smarter than most people in Bojack's orbit, she knew enough to not want to be part of his fricked up life.
Wasn't it implied that as a Horseman Hollyhock will frick up like Bojack eventually?
I don't think being insane like that is actually genetic. Obviously he can blame his genes and say his parents passed on the crazy but they raised him in an abusive house and hollywoo can already make more well adjusted people crazy so of course it got bojack. HH doesn't have his upbringing and she isn't in a position for celebrity status life ruining so she'll probably be fine.
It wasn't insanity it was self-destructive tendencies that were heretitary in the Horsemans.
I'm saying that those tendencies exist because he came from a broken household and then became a celebrity. Without the previous damage from bad parents or the opportunity to ruin yourself hollywoo style, hollyhock is much less likely to just destroy her life out of nowhere.
I know but wasn't it implied there she was still in danger of going down that path?
It's been so long i don't remember but hopefully with bojack as an example she'll just be a chubby cute horse girl on the straight and narrow and avoid that kind of behavior
her mom is a human
Normal words, but a horse gal!
She didn't betray him. She was a college girl that didn't have to put up with some dudes constant late in life crisis and self distructive tendencies. Thankfully she was raised in a loving supportive family and her self esteem wasn't so low she felt she had to help bojacks endless victim complex. She was too sane and lacking in borderline personality disorder to put up with LAs narcissistic nonsense, it was only unbelievable because for being the youngest she is the most mature character in a show of emotionally stunted 35+ year olds.
Ohana means family
nobody thinks Billy was in the wrong when he walked away from his birth mom to find happiness with his adopted family or complains that he "betrayed" his birth mom
Bojack tried a lot more than she did
Well Billy's mom "betrayed" him first. Hollyhock cancelled Bojack alongside everyone outside of his closest friend circle even though he didn't purposefully wrong her. I can't believe Bojack didn't commit suicide after that.(Not a point of sympathy I just can't believe he didn't off himself under all that emotional damage)
She barely knew bojack. Her family was who adopted her. You think every adopted kid ought to put up with their 20+ year older drug addict siblings bullshit? Why? It's hardly hollyhocks fault bojack is bad at being a functional adult. Nor is it her responsibility to put up with it. That's princess carolines problem.
She owed Bojack sex.
why did women did [women behaviour]
God I wanna feed her and make her bigger
I dont know why they pulled "normal for a horse" with her weight problem when has the same physique as humans in the show