She's a Targ, so it was always a 50/50. There were hints of it even in the books, though they haven't got close to the end. It also would make more sense if she was 15 and hadn't matured into her true self yet, like in the books.
>literally entire bloodline are schizos >burning and killing people through out the season >suddenly when she does it against her own people it becomes a problem
lol
For the ENTIRE FRICKING SERIES... they keep talking about THE MAD KING and how all Targaryen go insane... BECAUSE IT'S IN THEIR FRICKING BLOODLINE...
Then in S8 she finally goes mad and every moron on Reddit "This is horrible writing" ... like how much fricking foreshadowing did you need that she was going to go fricking nuts eventually?!?!?
>how all Targaryen go insane
That's not what the series or book says. They say it's a coin flip but even that is overexaggerating the extent of their historical madness. They were more or less stable rulers for a very long time.
Furthermore, the descent into madness of actual insane targs is slow and typically happens later in life. See the Mad King. He was a very good king (at least in terms of delegating to competent people) for most of his life. There isn't actually any precedence for her behavior, you're an idiot
Viserys was never insane. Deluded, self important, entitled, and wreckless, yes. But never insane. He didn't understand the customs of the culture he inserted himself into. He spent his entire adult life seething and being degraded only to be dunked on by literal nomadic savages. His death was due to a spiral into prideful rage, but not insanity. Nothing he did was insane, just very stupid
Targs aren't born insane, nor do they wake up one morning insane. The Mad King had to be taken prisoner and held for ransom by his own vassals for a long time before he even BEGAN to lose his grip on reality
Stop justifying shit writing by taking this bullshit ad hoc justification seriously
>how all Targaryen go insane
That's not what the series or book says. They say it's a coin flip but even that is overexaggerating the extent of their historical madness. They were more or less stable rulers for a very long time.
Furthermore, the descent into madness of actual insane targs is slow and typically happens later in life. See the Mad King. He was a very good king (at least in terms of delegating to competent people) for most of his life. There isn't actually any precedence for her behavior, you're an idiot
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He was literally 8 last time that old fruit saw him. How are you going to diagnose an 8 year old with hereditary insanity at that age? Fricking nonsense. He probably meant he had a shitty temper, which isn't insanity nor is it exclusive to targs (see Jeoffery)
Fair enough, I was just trying to take a more measured viewpoint about it. But you are correct, I also think that people forgot the ending was somewhat rushed. If I remember correctly, D&D were lined for Star Wars, so they tried to wrap up GoT too quickly. Thus the poor writing, not an excuse, but a reason for it.
That's exactly the case. They could've done the same plotline in a coherent way. The invasion of Westeros affords many opportunities for a developing mental illness. But the hacks needed to rush out the door to make star wars
>coin flip
It probably started that way, but they have been in-breeding for so long that the kids are almost identical to their parents in genetics. Dany and Viserys are near-clones of the Mad King, so they will very likely have the same predispositions to insanity.
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When dealing with a family history of madness, its entirely possible that it can be triggered by stress or response to an event etc. You can easily see how the various events of her life might put enough stress on her to push her over the edge early, compared to some of relatives.
That is the case with a lot of hereditary conditions, it can vary a lot.
>stress or response to an event etc
This. They have the genetics, so all they need is a similar event to send them over the edge.
>how all Targaryen go insane
That's not what the series or book says. They say it's a coin flip but even that is overexaggerating the extent of their historical madness. They were more or less stable rulers for a very long time.
Furthermore, the descent into madness of actual insane targs is slow and typically happens later in life. See the Mad King. He was a very good king (at least in terms of delegating to competent people) for most of his life. There isn't actually any precedence for her behavior, you're an idiot
When dealing with a family history of madness, its entirely possible that it can be triggered by stress or response to an event etc. You can easily see how the various events of her life might put enough stress on her to push her over the edge early, compared to some of relatives.
That is the case with a lot of hereditary conditions, it can vary a lot.
>Achieving your life's ambition with minimal challenge is the trigger for insanity
Literally makes no sense. Not being raped-ish, not being drugged and almost murdered, not losing her dragons, not her husband dying, not attempting suicide, not witnessing the hundreds of crucifixions you ordered, not having your hard fought victories in slaver's bay come to nothing, not almost dying in the desert, not shitting and vomiting yourself for a week... but achieving your goals... THAT tears your psyche. Insane.
I mean, the books would've had her go mad when she sees the blackfyre getting the throne, all the attention and love while she's seen as a foreigner leading an army of slaves and savages
See, that's more coherent. I could see that sending her into a spiteful, viserys tier b***hfit. But the showrunners obviously ignored the entire blackfye/griff plot
thanks for making my point for me.
Why does her success have to the trigger? That list is a pretty solid list of shit to mess anyone up, and doubly so if you are predisposed to going insane. Maybe it was held back by her ambition, but after achieving her goals she relaxed and madness took over quickly.
That shit happens to people in real life, have a job, hobbies etc...everything is fine. Retire or get divorced etc and they completely fall apart.
"Nah I can't be insane yet, I have too much to do"
moronic writing if true. That's not how mental illness works. I'll grant that that is how physical health works sometimes, but that's very different.
My point in laying out those traumas is that it's strange that a single moment can break her mental state, but rather than the moments that actually make sense, it was her moment of triumph that triggered her insanity.
Even if you accept the "she has no ambition to tether her to reality" thing, it's still moronic that it's literally instantaneous. Like the second she wins her lifelong ambition she turns insane from lack of direction? That's poor writing
Fair enough, I was just trying to take a more measured viewpoint about it. But you are correct, I also think that people forgot the ending was somewhat rushed. If I remember correctly, D&D were lined for Star Wars, so they tried to wrap up GoT too quickly. Thus the poor writing, not an excuse, but a reason for it.
It was obvious it was going to happen eventually, it's constantly being foreshadowed, but the writers rushed it. It felt like she went crazy from one episode to the next.
>Achieving your life's ambition with minimal challenge is the trigger for insanity
Literally makes no sense. Not being raped-ish, not being drugged and almost murdered, not losing her dragons, not her husband dying, not attempting suicide, not witnessing the hundreds of crucifixions you ordered, not having your hard fought victories in slaver's bay come to nothing, not almost dying in the desert, not shitting and vomiting yourself for a week... but achieving your goals... THAT tears your psyche. Insane.
>how all Targaryen go insane
That's not what the series or book says. They say it's a coin flip but even that is overexaggerating the extent of their historical madness. They were more or less stable rulers for a very long time.
Furthermore, the descent into madness of actual insane targs is slow and typically happens later in life. See the Mad King. He was a very good king (at least in terms of delegating to competent people) for most of his life. There isn't actually any precedence for her behavior, you're an idiot
Targs aren't born insane, nor do they wake up one morning insane. The Mad King had to be taken prisoner and held for ransom by his own vassals for a long time before he even BEGAN to lose his grip on reality
Stop justifying shit writing by taking this bullshit ad hoc justification seriously
>Stop justifying shit writing by taking this bullshit ad hoc justification seriously
The plot points in this instance aren't the problem, it's the fast tracking. They cut off what should have been an extra 1.5 seasons.
Okay but that doesn't make the writing good, nor does it properly justify the scene in question. It's VERY easy to say "Dani shows up in westeros yadda yadda yadda mad queen." It doesn't make for coherent writing
>It's VERY easy to say "Dani shows up in westeros yadda yadda yadda mad queen." It doesn't make for coherent writing
You were just used to thinking of her as the benevolent queen and that her use of violence was justified by the ends.
Like pretty much every other character in this show, she acts like a psychotic literal reptile person from the very beginning. Most people just fail to notice because the viewer fails to apply consistent moral judgement and are easily swayed by the fact that her victims earlier on are as bad or worse than her.
>she acts like a psychotic literal reptile person from the very beginning.
I was anticipating her going postal since the second season. The situations were largely contrived so that her violence was acceptable to wokies and normies, as it was only directed at people they thought acceptable. Eventually the situation changed and the targets of her wrath were no longer convenient monsters.
So was the theory of the mad king being possessed by the raven like Hodor ever confirmed or not? That would mean that it wasn't really him being a schizo right?
He was literally 8 last time that old fruit saw him. How are you going to diagnose an 8 year old with hereditary insanity at that age? Fricking nonsense. He probably meant he had a shitty temper, which isn't insanity nor is it exclusive to targs (see Jeoffery)
She knew Jon would end up getting the prize if she waited and everyone learned the truth so she had to go full psycho and get the job done and figured she could use her pussy control on him to smooth it over, but underestimated Jons incel power.
>if you didn't see it coming you are a tremendous waste of a cumshot
Your inability to realize that foreshadowing an event doesn't excuse it's shitty execution is a hallmark of your stupidity.
If I foreshadow a character's fear of sharks for 8 seasons and then a shark falls out of the sky and lands on them, that isn't good writing just because I foreshadowed it.
Bad writing by chud showrunners.
They "needed" her to be dead so.... Bran.... Could be on the throne....
Even though, politically, they had a situation where she should have been catapulted to the throne by the commonfolk.
Its in the nature of women to destroy. This is why women's rights is a mistake.
sad but true
She's a Targ, so it was always a 50/50. There were hints of it even in the books, though they haven't got close to the end. It also would make more sense if she was 15 and hadn't matured into her true self yet, like in the books.
Wohman moment
My little sister's put yoghurt down her panties again. It keeps happening.
bad writing
No more nephew dickings
>literally entire bloodline are schizos
>burning and killing people through out the season
>suddenly when she does it against her own people it becomes a problem
lol
I saw someone say "bad writing"...
To those dipshits...
For the ENTIRE FRICKING SERIES... they keep talking about THE MAD KING and how all Targaryen go insane... BECAUSE IT'S IN THEIR FRICKING BLOODLINE...
Then in S8 she finally goes mad and every moron on Reddit "This is horrible writing" ... like how much fricking foreshadowing did you need that she was going to go fricking nuts eventually?!?!?
Morons.
>how all Targaryen go insane
That's not what the series or book says. They say it's a coin flip but even that is overexaggerating the extent of their historical madness. They were more or less stable rulers for a very long time.
Furthermore, the descent into madness of actual insane targs is slow and typically happens later in life. See the Mad King. He was a very good king (at least in terms of delegating to competent people) for most of his life. There isn't actually any precedence for her behavior, you're an idiot
yeah that's exactly what happened with Viserys lol
Viserys was never insane. Deluded, self important, entitled, and wreckless, yes. But never insane. He didn't understand the customs of the culture he inserted himself into. He spent his entire adult life seething and being degraded only to be dunked on by literal nomadic savages. His death was due to a spiral into prideful rage, but not insanity. Nothing he did was insane, just very stupid
see
That's exactly the case. They could've done the same plotline in a coherent way. The invasion of Westeros affords many opportunities for a developing mental illness. But the hacks needed to rush out the door to make star wars
Awful writing tbqhwy, the TV show's much tighter script is superior.
>coin flip
It probably started that way, but they have been in-breeding for so long that the kids are almost identical to their parents in genetics. Dany and Viserys are near-clones of the Mad King, so they will very likely have the same predispositions to insanity.
>stress or response to an event etc
This. They have the genetics, so all they need is a similar event to send them over the edge.
When dealing with a family history of madness, its entirely possible that it can be triggered by stress or response to an event etc. You can easily see how the various events of her life might put enough stress on her to push her over the edge early, compared to some of relatives.
That is the case with a lot of hereditary conditions, it can vary a lot.
>Achieving your life's ambition with minimal challenge is the trigger for insanity
Literally makes no sense. Not being raped-ish, not being drugged and almost murdered, not losing her dragons, not her husband dying, not attempting suicide, not witnessing the hundreds of crucifixions you ordered, not having your hard fought victories in slaver's bay come to nothing, not almost dying in the desert, not shitting and vomiting yourself for a week... but achieving your goals... THAT tears your psyche. Insane.
I mean, the books would've had her go mad when she sees the blackfyre getting the throne, all the attention and love while she's seen as a foreigner leading an army of slaves and savages
See, that's more coherent. I could see that sending her into a spiteful, viserys tier b***hfit. But the showrunners obviously ignored the entire blackfye/griff plot
thanks for making my point for me.
Why does her success have to the trigger? That list is a pretty solid list of shit to mess anyone up, and doubly so if you are predisposed to going insane. Maybe it was held back by her ambition, but after achieving her goals she relaxed and madness took over quickly.
That shit happens to people in real life, have a job, hobbies etc...everything is fine. Retire or get divorced etc and they completely fall apart.
"Nah I can't be insane yet, I have too much to do"
moronic writing if true. That's not how mental illness works. I'll grant that that is how physical health works sometimes, but that's very different.
My point in laying out those traumas is that it's strange that a single moment can break her mental state, but rather than the moments that actually make sense, it was her moment of triumph that triggered her insanity.
Even if you accept the "she has no ambition to tether her to reality" thing, it's still moronic that it's literally instantaneous. Like the second she wins her lifelong ambition she turns insane from lack of direction? That's poor writing
Fair enough, I was just trying to take a more measured viewpoint about it. But you are correct, I also think that people forgot the ending was somewhat rushed. If I remember correctly, D&D were lined for Star Wars, so they tried to wrap up GoT too quickly. Thus the poor writing, not an excuse, but a reason for it.
It was obvious it was going to happen eventually, it's constantly being foreshadowed, but the writers rushed it. It felt like she went crazy from one episode to the next.
this
they foreshadowed it explicitly dozens of times throughout the series
see
Targs aren't born insane, nor do they wake up one morning insane. The Mad King had to be taken prisoner and held for ransom by his own vassals for a long time before he even BEGAN to lose his grip on reality
Stop justifying shit writing by taking this bullshit ad hoc justification seriously
>Stop justifying shit writing by taking this bullshit ad hoc justification seriously
The plot points in this instance aren't the problem, it's the fast tracking. They cut off what should have been an extra 1.5 seasons.
Okay but that doesn't make the writing good, nor does it properly justify the scene in question. It's VERY easy to say "Dani shows up in westeros yadda yadda yadda mad queen." It doesn't make for coherent writing
>It's VERY easy to say "Dani shows up in westeros yadda yadda yadda mad queen." It doesn't make for coherent writing
You were just used to thinking of her as the benevolent queen and that her use of violence was justified by the ends.
Like pretty much every other character in this show, she acts like a psychotic literal reptile person from the very beginning. Most people just fail to notice because the viewer fails to apply consistent moral judgement and are easily swayed by the fact that her victims earlier on are as bad or worse than her.
>she acts like a psychotic literal reptile person from the very beginning.
I was anticipating her going postal since the second season. The situations were largely contrived so that her violence was acceptable to wokies and normies, as it was only directed at people they thought acceptable. Eventually the situation changed and the targets of her wrath were no longer convenient monsters.
in 10 years season 8 will be recognized as a masterpiece
just like the prequels or the sequel trilogy.
So was the theory of the mad king being possessed by the raven like Hodor ever confirmed or not? That would mean that it wasn't really him being a schizo right?
You're stupid anon. Sorry if you didn't already know. You're bad at thinking.
Because it said so on the script.
hack writing
It was just that time of the month
pms
>why did she do it?
She literally tells Jon Snow why the night before.
He was literally 8 last time that old fruit saw him. How are you going to diagnose an 8 year old with hereditary insanity at that age? Fricking nonsense. He probably meant he had a shitty temper, which isn't insanity nor is it exclusive to targs (see Jeoffery)
It made everybody who named their kid Dany or Khaleesi seethe
>Drunk evil Cersei is the hottest thing on tv
>Dany kinda boring
>picrel
>Hard as a rock
What did my penis mean by this
couldn't handle her nephews' fat wiener and load.
as usual, wommanz freak out cause >penis.
>Why did Ms. Targaryen kill everybody?
She knew Jon would end up getting the prize if she waited and everyone learned the truth so she had to go full psycho and get the job done and figured she could use her pussy control on him to smooth it over, but underestimated Jons incel power.
She just keeps moving forward
it was ALMOST worth the terrible ending for this one sequence.
Jon didn't come to her when she needed it
Arya's latent warging ability kicked in in response to the bells. What we're witnessing is actually Arya's Quasimodo rage.
we needed at least 5 episodes of mad Dany 🙁
A cute!
if you didn't see it coming you are a tremendous waste of a cumshot
>if you didn't see it coming you are a tremendous waste of a cumshot
Your inability to realize that foreshadowing an event doesn't excuse it's shitty execution is a hallmark of your stupidity.
If I foreshadow a character's fear of sharks for 8 seasons and then a shark falls out of the sky and lands on them, that isn't good writing just because I foreshadowed it.
Do you understand?
b***h wanted to keep fricking Jon even after it was revealed to her that he was her nephew.
She was a Mad targ all the way.
Bad writing by chud showrunners.
They "needed" her to be dead so.... Bran.... Could be on the throne....
Even though, politically, they had a situation where she should have been catapulted to the throne by the commonfolk.
she couldn't frick her nephew
why didn't you?