>Superman doesn’t get into zany adventures
>Superman didn’t spend his teenage years as Superboy in Smallville
>Superman doesn’t pulls pranks on Lois when she tries discovering his identity
>Superman doesn’t own a miniature Kryptonian city in a bottle
>Superman doesn’t have a Superdog or a Supercousin, there are no Supercats or Superhorses
>Superman doesn’t have multiple types of Kryptonite. Red Kryptonite doesn’t affect him differently every time
>Superman isn’t fun
The post-crisis continuity made Batman even better. Bronze Age bats was good, but Frank Miller took Batman to a whole new level. Superman was way cooler in the Golden/Silver Age. They basically removed everything that made him interesting in favor of a boring generic superhero template
They wanted Super-cream
I think Superman/Batman should be like the Spy Kids/Machete films
For those who don’t know, Machete is a series of R-rated bloody action films starring Danny Trejo, directed by Robert Rodriguez. Danny Trejo also plays Uncle Machete in Spy Kids, directed by Robert Rodriguez. Trejo and Rodriguez are clear, these movies are canon to each other and set in the same continuity, it’s just one is bright and silly while the other is violent and bloody.
A good live-action Superman movie would be made for six-ten year olds, and if Batman appears he should still be Robert Pattinson or Ben Affleck or whoever is the current gritty serious Batman
>The post-crisis continuity made Batman even better. Bronze Age bats was good, but Frank Miller took Batman to a whole new level
Miller's Batman is greatly overrated and had almost no impact on the writing for the regular monthly Batman.
>Superman was way cooler in the Golden/Silver Age.
Most of the stuff you listed is Silver Age, Post-Crisis Superman was bringing him back to his Golden Age roots.
>Miller's Batman is greatly overrated and had almost no impact on the writing for the regular monthly Batman.
Objectively wrong
>Most of the stuff you listed is Silver Age, Post-Crisis Superman was bringing him back to his Golden Age roots.
Maybe if you’re talking super early Golden Age, like late 30s early 40s. Mid-late 40s and the 50s, which was still Golden Age, had pretty much all that stuff which is associated with the Silver Age. The biggest difference between them was the Super family. Supergirl didn’t appear until the Silver Age
Also, the original creator Jerry Siegel was still writing throughout the Silver Age. It’s not like Silver Age Batman, where Bob Kane and Bill Finger no longer had any involvement. Silver Age Superman is just as much the original Superman as Golden Age Superman
>Objectively wrong
No, Miller's impact on the regular Batman book didn't really take full effect until after the Dennis O'Neil stable of writers got shaken out in the late 90's/2000's. Batman's personality in 80's/90's comics isn't all that different from his 70's self.
Read The Untold Legend Of The Batman from 1982, that’s the status quo Batman origin before Miller changed it. Miller made huge changes to Batman’s history
>Miller’s impact didn’t take full effect until
Ok. Who cares? He either made an impact or he didn’t. It doesn’t matter in this case if it was instantaneous or delayed
In this case we're talking about the style of writing Batman, especially in regards to directly post Crisis compared to Superman.
Even if you have that little nitpick, we’re still contrasting it with Superman. Modern Age Superman was a clean break from Bronze Age Superman, they changed everything
Because Superman gradually got Golden/Silver age elements put back in in the late 90s and 2000's as their 80's/90's stable also rotated out(power boosts, Supergirl as his cousin once again, his time in the Legion, etc.)
Similarly, in the late 90's in 2000's is when Frank Miller's influence on the mainline Batman books really took root(albeit by writers poorly imitating him.) even visually, he switches back to a plain black bat and is drawn more bulky like Frank Miller's take on the classic/Dicl sprang look
Golden age superman was way closer to silver age than post crisis superman. People assume that golden age was the non powered strong man who leaped over buildings and fought abusive husband's, only because they don't read past action comics #1. Golden age Superman and early silver age had the same writer in Seigel and the plot style and structure of the silver age was picked up from the golden age.
I notice conversations about Batman have this same issue.
>dude golden age Batman killed and used guns bro
Yeah in like six comics from 1939. Golden Age Batman is an era almost two decades long, in which he’s mostly a smiling boy scout and father figure to Robin
This. Golden age Batman is essentially as "silly" as silver age Batman by the time Robin comes into the picture.
You need to be creative to write a character like Superman, which Byrne was not, so he and his Marvel buddies tried to marvelise him and turned the line into a monster of the week book.
Some of those were Byrne's idea, but most were mandates by DC.
John Byrne's Superman never really worked, in the mid 80's they tried to change Superman and make him more human and less powerful, it didn't work and for modern audiences Superman is too outdated. To weak compared to the Sayajins and Saitama.
What could make Superman relevant again would be if he had the Silver Age powers, breathing in space, moving planets, limitless physical strength, a short arc after this new Crisis featuring this Superman with a lot of action and the heroism that everyone expects from him, and at the same time DC could produce a animation from this arc with the same studio as One Punch Man, Madhouse.
It's absurdly simple, but they won't do it, all this would cost at most 2 million dollars, not much to revitalize and bring Superman to the present day.
I feel the same way, just got done reading the Superman: Exile omnibus and noticed how different it was from any modern Superman comic. Even the current run that's imitating the Mongul arc bogs itself down with religious imagery, and I get the feeling Clark wouldn't even be offworld if he wasn't needed- he just doesn't adventure anymore, which is sad.
They wanted his conflicts to be more conventional. It's funny that people claim he's to OP for a game when post-crisis Superman is like Dragon Ball.
I'm new to comics and I've just finished reading Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, since I've been told it's the best Superman comic
What Superman comic should I read next ?
Brief rundown:
Superman was introduced in 1938 and continued on as a continuous publication for his whole run. DC’s continuity got too big and bloated back in the 80s, so they made a story called Crisis On Infinite Earths that rebooted everything. Basically all the multiverses were in danger, and in the end of the story you had one mainline continuity that was easier to follow. New origin stories, etc. It certainly cleaned up some debris, and streamlined the stories. Messy in some areas, but definitely needed.
Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow is intended to be the death of pre-crisis Superman. If you liked it, I recommend the collections Superman In The Fifties and Superman In The Sixties. Superman Chronicles or Golden Age Omnibus for really early Superman
If you want to go forward, there’s Man Of Steel by John Byrne, which was Superman’s new origin. This thread though is about disliking that specific comic. Also, it’s been superseded by the comic Superman: Secret Origin, his current origin comic.
My favorite Superman comic is Superman For All Seasons, about the transition from Smallville to Metropolis as Clark Kent becomes Superman.
All Star Superman is a really acclaimed non-canon Superman comic, I also really enjoy that one
I think its a sign of the times and downfall of society but thats just me.
Just sayin', nobody ever complained about Supes being "too powerful" when he was allowed to go on bizarre adventures every week.
All those got retconned back in within 2 decades, with most coming back within a single decade
Is Red Kryptonite back? Legit question
Yeah, it was in World's Finest #1
>give Clark more of a George Reeves personality
>don’t bother updating Superman’s personality
Just seemed like lazy writing . Having Clark and Superman acting the same kind of misses the point.
Also they made him too nice post crisis .
>Superman now gets into troony adventures
>Superman spends his teenage years learning the importance of lesbians and gays
>Superman pulls pranks related to some movies
>Superman collects miniature flags of the different options of sex, gender and other shit the trannies pick nowaday
>Superman has superson who is gay
>Superman will probably only have pink krytonite, so that they can explore his sexuality
>Superman is they/them
Dc figured readers wanted a more boring version of the character
Did it work? No! During the silver age, Superman, Action Comics, and Superman’s Girlfriend Lois Lane consistently outsold Batman and Detective Comics
>Byrne: "I've saved Superman!"
>Superman: At his all-time lowest popularity and falling since Byrne
How did he get away with it Superbros?
Byrne just doing a Superman comic would have sold well enough since he was one of hottest talents at the time. Didn’t really need to reboot the character. He just needed some fresh blood.
Curt swan was still drawing the guy in the 80s. Maggin and Bates were on Superman for at least a decade at the time of crisis
Now I like all those creators but i can see how kids at the time probably felt that Superman was getting a bit stale