completely out of touch with the plebes, they were convinced that if they killed Caesar, who was a dictator, that the common man would hail them as heroes for saving the republic
but to the common man, senators were just nobility by another name and Caesar was incredibly popular with the common man because he wasn't ignoring them
public opinion of the republic basically flipped over night and helped to seat Augustus as emperor
Cicero was friends with Caesar and was even part of the Triumverate at first. He had no part in what followed and he was a very popular lawyer and statesman. Rome had a tradition of murdering tyrants since 500BC with the murder of Tarquinius. Brutus’ ancestor was who murdered Tarquinius. Brutus murdering Caesar was another Roman tradition come to fruition. You know nothing of Rome.
Because Caesar had already killed most opposition and had gotten wealthy landowners and generals on his side. Marc Anthony for example was a whiny nepo brat who would show up to the senate drunk and covered in puke. Nobody liked him. He became emperor after and ordered the death of Cicero who had his arms cut off and then his head. This was an unpopular military coup and thinking “le heckin Caesar is so based everyone loved him” is a brainlet take that shows you don’t understand nuance.
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>Marc Anthony for example was a whiny nepo brat who would show up to the senate drunk and covered in puke
very nuanced post, thank you
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It’s a recorded fact. Maybe try actually studying the topic next time, magatard
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You absolute mongoloid moron, you stupid homosexual, greedy Senate wienermonglers literally cheated countless veterans from the legions of their land and pay, turning people who served Rome for 20 years into serfs, Caesar or not it was only a matter of time before they got their corrupted homosexual ass handed to them.
YOU know nothing of Rome you optimate homosexual wienersucker.
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t. Trump fluffer moron
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>Trump
???
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Based on what I know of Roman culture, this sounds pretty close to actual political discourse of the time.
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call them a thief a criminal an actor and they will shrug. call them an optimate and watch how they recoil in fear.
They were never friends. He was eternal pragmatist.
He sided with Pompey only to dip on him when he realized he will lose.
And what does your Wikipedia tyrrants meme drivel has to do with anything sperg?
Cicero's staunched defense of the republic throughout his career is one of the reasons why they thought they would get away with it. He was the first person they appealed for support too. And guess what the pragmatist did?
Atia is worse. She was by all accounts a good Roman woman, who would never squander her sons accension
It seems like she was combined with all the worst qualities of the wife of Crassus
Yes, you missed it. They all take turns stabbing him until he's bloody on the floor. Then one has to hand Brutus a knife and encourage him to perform the killing blow as Caesar looks up at him.
Brutus was a cuck. He was jealous that Caesar was banging his mom, so he talked his senator pals into killing Caesar. He made up all that crap about restoring the republic as justification.
Loosely, he subsidised the poor, selective taxed or outright repropriated from the rich (though a lot of that went to him) and was broadly pretty good at un-fricking the social issues Rome got into as a result of mass slave labour and wealth/land consolidation.
In today's terms, he'd be 'Red Fash' I suppose, but I'm not that good on keeping up with the evolving language honestly.
>The story goes that in 64 B.C when Julius Caesar was arguing with Cato, a fellow senator, over Caesar’s involvement in the Catiline conspiracy a letter was handed to him.
>The Catiline conspiracy was a plot devised by senator Lucius Catilina along with a few fellow aristocrats meant to overthrow the consulship of Marcus Tullius Cicero. Cato was convinced that Julius Caesar was involved in this plot in order to gain power in the Senate and became hellbent on proving it.
>Once Caesar received this seemingly innocuous note Cato demanded that it be read out loud as it was potentially a message from the conspirators. While at first hesitant Caesar eventually caved and handed it over. To Cato’s dismay, it turned out the letter was a rather presumptuous love letter to Caesar… from Cato's half-sister.
>It turns out that Servilia Caepionis had become Caesar’s mistress in around 64 B.C while she was married to her second husband, Decimus Silanus, who apparently didn't seem to mind the relationship. She was also at the time raising two children from her previous marriage.
>Cato began reading the note and very rapidly realised his political opponent had been playing around with his own half-sister. He was of course embarrassed by the unveiling of this affair and threw the note back at Caesar and said “Keep it, you drunk!”
Never before or since, has their been such a fricking mogging. Cato-gays absolutely blown the frick out, forever.
It was revenge for Pompey, and a lot of other things. There was nothing that the populares could do about it. It was among the nobles, real senatorial shit. They even disfigured Caesar's body so his wife couldn't give him an open pyre at the funeral.
tv poll would Caesar beat Parthia and avenge Crassus?
Caesar was about to go on campaign in the east. the senate knew that if they did not kill him then they would have no chance of changing anything with him off with 20 legions fighting.
I'd say he likely would have done better than Crassus, but grass is green and water is wet.
I think the threat of a backstabbing by the patricians would have always held him back after the civil war, I don't think he would have continued his lucky run. His soldiers would also start asking questions about their owed land as well etc. Senete likely low-key did his mythical status a favour by killing him.
>Senete likely low-key did his mythical status a favour by killing him.
This is really. It's like a musician dying right after releasing a masterpiece album. They'll never get old, never sell out, never make a bad song, and the legend will live on forever.
caesar seized power because he wanted to maintain his status as a proconsul because he committed several illegal acts as consul and proconsul. as consul he arrested cato for filibustering one of caesars land reform bills. as proconsul he illegally invaded gaul. the senate wanted to put him on trial for this among other things. the people loved him because he gave them a bunch of free shit.
the truth is caesar was basically a scumbag and cato was right about him
>The story goes that in 64 B.C when Julius Caesar was arguing with Cato, a fellow senator, over Caesar’s involvement in the Catiline conspiracy a letter was handed to him.
>The Catiline conspiracy was a plot devised by senator Lucius Catilina along with a few fellow aristocrats meant to overthrow the consulship of Marcus Tullius Cicero. Cato was convinced that Julius Caesar was involved in this plot in order to gain power in the Senate and became hellbent on proving it.
>Once Caesar received this seemingly innocuous note Cato demanded that it be read out loud as it was potentially a message from the conspirators. While at first hesitant Caesar eventually caved and handed it over. To Cato’s dismay, it turned out the letter was a rather presumptuous love letter to Caesar… from Cato's half-sister.
>It turns out that Servilia Caepionis had become Caesar’s mistress in around 64 B.C while she was married to her second husband, Decimus Silanus, who apparently didn't seem to mind the relationship. She was also at the time raising two children from her previous marriage.
>Cato began reading the note and very rapidly realised his political opponent had been playing around with his own half-sister. He was of course embarrassed by the unveiling of this affair and threw the note back at Caesar and said “Keep it, you drunk!”
Never before or since, has their been such a fricking mogging. Cato-gays absolutely blown the frick out, forever.
Rich guys scared of losing power/money. Many such cases.
He was a proconsul of Rome
completely out of touch with the plebes, they were convinced that if they killed Caesar, who was a dictator, that the common man would hail them as heroes for saving the republic
but to the common man, senators were just nobility by another name and Caesar was incredibly popular with the common man because he wasn't ignoring them
public opinion of the republic basically flipped over night and helped to seat Augustus as emperor
moronic and wrong chud take who has never read Cicero or any contemporary of Caesar.
>Cicero
>one of the same Blacks who pushed them to do it
Yeah, he would be so objective.
Cicero was friends with Caesar and was even part of the Triumverate at first. He had no part in what followed and he was a very popular lawyer and statesman. Rome had a tradition of murdering tyrants since 500BC with the murder of Tarquinius. Brutus’ ancestor was who murdered Tarquinius. Brutus murdering Caesar was another Roman tradition come to fruition. You know nothing of Rome.
and it backfired for the Liberatores, Rome quickly became an Empire after this event because the plebes allowed it
Because Caesar had already killed most opposition and had gotten wealthy landowners and generals on his side. Marc Anthony for example was a whiny nepo brat who would show up to the senate drunk and covered in puke. Nobody liked him. He became emperor after and ordered the death of Cicero who had his arms cut off and then his head. This was an unpopular military coup and thinking “le heckin Caesar is so based everyone loved him” is a brainlet take that shows you don’t understand nuance.
>Marc Anthony for example was a whiny nepo brat who would show up to the senate drunk and covered in puke
very nuanced post, thank you
It’s a recorded fact. Maybe try actually studying the topic next time, magatard
You absolute mongoloid moron, you stupid homosexual, greedy Senate wienermonglers literally cheated countless veterans from the legions of their land and pay, turning people who served Rome for 20 years into serfs, Caesar or not it was only a matter of time before they got their corrupted homosexual ass handed to them.
YOU know nothing of Rome you optimate homosexual wienersucker.
t. Trump fluffer moron
>Trump
???
Based on what I know of Roman culture, this sounds pretty close to actual political discourse of the time.
call them a thief a criminal an actor and they will shrug. call them an optimate and watch how they recoil in fear.
They were never friends. He was eternal pragmatist.
He sided with Pompey only to dip on him when he realized he will lose.
And what does your Wikipedia tyrrants meme drivel has to do with anything sperg?
Cicero's staunched defense of the republic throughout his career is one of the reasons why they thought they would get away with it. He was the first person they appealed for support too. And guess what the pragmatist did?
Caesar got a little too wienery walking in there alone
It was between the Italians, it was real greaseball shit.
Their allegiance was to the Republic, to democracy.
They had to get it on. He was making a move.
To destroy Europe
His paperwork was out of order so, eagles went flying and calls were made to mount olympus.
Why didn't he speak to Brutus?
Did she deserve it?
the scene that ruined the show
No, that would be any scene with adult Octavius
Atia is worse. She was by all accounts a good Roman woman, who would never squander her sons accension
It seems like she was combined with all the worst qualities of the wife of Crassus
I liked adult Octavian. Was a bit concerned when they changed actor but thought he was great in the end.
>calling someone who is part of an aristocratic republic which venerates bloodlines and worships ancestors a nepo baby
Social history, not even once
It feels like an AI. Watch him dump another wiki article excerpt pretending that that supports something.
I dont remember this scene. Did I miss it? I thought it just hard cut to the people leaving the senate house post-murder?
Yes, you missed it. They all take turns stabbing him until he's bloody on the floor. Then one has to hand Brutus a knife and encourage him to perform the killing blow as Caesar looks up at him.
I kind of prefer that I missed it in that case. I quite liked the hard cut to the aftermath that I accidentally got.
Because he fricked all of their wives. They all fricked his wife as well
Brutus was a cuck. He was jealous that Caesar was banging his mom, so he talked his senator pals into killing Caesar. He made up all that crap about restoring the republic as justification.
What would you have done?
What was Ceasar's tax policy?
He didn't get that long in office.
Loosely, he subsidised the poor, selective taxed or outright repropriated from the rich (though a lot of that went to him) and was broadly pretty good at un-fricking the social issues Rome got into as a result of mass slave labour and wealth/land consolidation.
In today's terms, he'd be 'Red Fash' I suppose, but I'm not that good on keeping up with the evolving language honestly.
Most of them regretted killing him soon after. Even before they all got killed
The irony is that if the Senate didn't kill Caesar, Augustus probably wouldn't have been able to make such blatant power plays, and kill the Republic
The republic was already dead (even Cicero admits this). Marius and Sulla killed it.
Trips confirm, Marius and Sulla killed the Republic. The matter is settled history-tards.
>The story goes that in 64 B.C when Julius Caesar was arguing with Cato, a fellow senator, over Caesar’s involvement in the Catiline conspiracy a letter was handed to him.
>The Catiline conspiracy was a plot devised by senator Lucius Catilina along with a few fellow aristocrats meant to overthrow the consulship of Marcus Tullius Cicero. Cato was convinced that Julius Caesar was involved in this plot in order to gain power in the Senate and became hellbent on proving it.
>Once Caesar received this seemingly innocuous note Cato demanded that it be read out loud as it was potentially a message from the conspirators. While at first hesitant Caesar eventually caved and handed it over. To Cato’s dismay, it turned out the letter was a rather presumptuous love letter to Caesar… from Cato's half-sister.
>It turns out that Servilia Caepionis had become Caesar’s mistress in around 64 B.C while she was married to her second husband, Decimus Silanus, who apparently didn't seem to mind the relationship. She was also at the time raising two children from her previous marriage.
>Cato began reading the note and very rapidly realised his political opponent had been playing around with his own half-sister. He was of course embarrassed by the unveiling of this affair and threw the note back at Caesar and said “Keep it, you drunk!”
Never before or since, has their been such a fricking mogging. Cato-gays absolutely blown the frick out, forever.
Man the writers really love this Caesar character, they keep giving him these kino setpieces. Dude has plot armor
It’s just a dumb anglo production. It’s wholly ahistoric.
Those woods had to earn their ink
hooped
It was revenge for Pompey, and a lot of other things. There was nothing that the populares could do about it. It was among the nobles, real senatorial shit. They even disfigured Caesar's body so his wife couldn't give him an open pyre at the funeral.
Just something to do, you know?
tv poll would Caesar beat Parthia and avenge Crassus?
Caesar was about to go on campaign in the east. the senate knew that if they did not kill him then they would have no chance of changing anything with him off with 20 legions fighting.
I'd say he likely would have done better than Crassus, but grass is green and water is wet.
I think the threat of a backstabbing by the patricians would have always held him back after the civil war, I don't think he would have continued his lucky run. His soldiers would also start asking questions about their owed land as well etc. Senete likely low-key did his mythical status a favour by killing him.
>Senete likely low-key did his mythical status a favour by killing him.
This is really. It's like a musician dying right after releasing a masterpiece album. They'll never get old, never sell out, never make a bad song, and the legend will live on forever.
caesar seized power because he wanted to maintain his status as a proconsul because he committed several illegal acts as consul and proconsul. as consul he arrested cato for filibustering one of caesars land reform bills. as proconsul he illegally invaded gaul. the senate wanted to put him on trial for this among other things. the people loved him because he gave them a bunch of free shit.
the truth is caesar was basically a scumbag and cato was right about him
cato was miserly old sourpuss!
Please see
Cato's status remains btfo and cucked.