Why did they portray Cicero as a weasely coward? He was based.
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Why did they portray Cicero as a weasely coward? He was based.
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How the frick do you know, homosexual? Were you alive in ancient Rome?
Yes.
You know we have tons of letters that he wrote/that people wrote to him, right? What am I saying of course you don't
Ok, and? How do you know he was le BASED from words on a page? Did you ever meet him?
What's it like being a troony?
you tell me
I'm not the OP moron. I have studies Cicero though. What would you like to know?
>What would you like to know?
Did he ever say the n-word?
thats how evidence works moron.
>BUT BUT BUT TIME MACHINES DONT EXIST!
kys homosexual
>being an empiricist
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troon
Dr. Money's israelitery larping as science provided the empirical basis for troonism. Empiricism is a method of having others think for you because you cannot collect all posteriori data yourself
so youre a pedo and troon.
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what the frick does eightcall mean?
>dial eight
>call
dilate
I'm giving you an eightcall
to tell you
how I sneed
>someone writes something years after it happened, 2,000+ years ago
>ITS EVIDENCE!!!
lmao.
>someone writes something 2000+ years ago
>ITS EVIDENCE!!!
yes
>if I write about something from 1922 that means it's true
k... keep me posted
When you compare it to other writings of the era… yes.
>Did you ever meet him?
Yes.
I know you're a moron from your words alone, it's not that hard.
MUH LIVED EXPERIENCE
Back to discord dick weed
> marcus, how could you ditch your wife to marry a 9 yo girl
> don't worry, she'll be a woman tomorrow morning
Tell me this is not based.
This is unironically true, all these keyboard warrior thinking they’ll be remembered as based because they use offensive language a lot is hilarious
On a serious note, the language we use today will not be offensive forever. The sentiments expressed, however, will remain intact, as cultural feelings are merely expressions of overarching human sentiments. So if our offensive ramblings were preserved for the historical record, then yes, I'd say that at least some people in the far future would consider them based and relate with them.
You do realize people are two-faced, right?
this. also there's a crisis of provenance in regards to "ancient" texts. so all those people sucking off cicero may been early modern forgeries
I read academic works that elucidated exactly how based he was.
Cicero was only considered based posthumously, when he was alive his work was not put on a pedestal as being exceptionally great by his peers.
Oh yeah!? Well his peers are posthumously cringe!
>How the frick do you know, homosexual? Were you alive in ancient Rome?
He was cheered as a hero by crowds in his tour of the Empire.
Augustus likely had nothing to do with his assasination.
The reason he was misportrayed is the usual: The far-left smears any hero.
iirc Augustus liked Cicero and didn't want him killed but reluctantly allowed it to happen as a concession to Antony
And he felt guilty about it for the rest of his life. One of the reasons so much of Cicero's writing survived until today is because Augustus stored so much of it to preserve it out of guilt.
Wasn't it too late for Augustus to do anything? The man was ratted out by one of his own.
Augustus was the one to agree putting him on the death lists, for the sake of his own political aliance. Cicero died because Augustus allowed it.
Friendly reminder that this is Augustinian propaganda. He probably noticed how unpopular his decision of chopping off his head and hands were and suddenly it was never his idea, it was those other two guys in the triumvirate and he was literally shaking and crying while signing Cicero's death sentence. Same charade politicans pull today. If anything it goes to show how much of a chad Cicero was, btfo Octavian even after his death.
Then why did Augustus have such a massive collection of Cicero's writings?
He just liked to collect trophies from his victims and as a bonus, those fist editions' value would go through the roof after a few years.
>fist editions'
Funny typo knowing his fate
Eh, Augustus also banished Ovid but never had his works burned. It’s clear Augustus was at least temperate when it came to censorship.
When I was a newbie I defended our board. As an oldgay I shall not abandon it.
I give sincere thanks to First Poster, who has generously presented me with the most promising theme imaginable. I address you directly First Poster.
Please listen as if you were sober and intelligent and not a drink-sodden, porn-addled wreck.
You are certainly not without accomplishments. It is a rare man who can boast of becoming an incel before even coming of age. You have brought upon us redditors, bait and shitposting.
You are Cinemaphile’s Helen of Troy. But then troony’s role has always suited you best.
I kek'd
>The people flocked to Caesar
And it was only then I realized you were talking about the Roman Republic, not today
Ironically for all the hero worship he gets here, Chuds would call him a commie nowadays
Yeah and commies would call him an imperialist warmonger. Imagine applying 21st century moral values to absolutely everything
imagine speaking about something you are completely ignorant about (marxism). not about morals, but about understanding history from a materialistic point of view.
the struggle over the legacy of ceaser has been an ongoing theme forever. see napoleon's III 'the history of julius ceaser' and then marx' 18th of brummaire'.
>you are completely ignorant about (marxism)
not completely, but i know enough to distance myself from his (and yours) yiddish kvetching. go be a schnoz somewhere else
you mean you have been fed enough lies as to not be curious about the truth anymore.
>i demand you read this leftist garbage, goy!
not my problem, yid
where was any demand made? you even acknowledged you don't know much about the issue, that's why i presented you with options.
yeah and i immediately told you to go be a schnoz somewhere else, so do the honors for that as well
tell me then how napoleon iii's book is leftist garbage.
just like we enjoy talking about what to think about these roman politicians, people in the past also did.
>tell me then how napoleon iii's book is leftist garbage.
because i don't remember asking
>you damn commies!
>turns out to be as dumb as a door
many such cases.
yeah i'm dumb. still not gonna read your beloved israelite tho.
I wanna sniff his armpit.
An effortpost if I've ever seen one. Your service is noticed, citizen.
Spoke like a true citzen.
I laughed, thank you romeanon.
reked
>he knows
>kill him
How will Cinemaphile ever recover.
Yeah I time travelled there
>he doesn't have a 'Going into History' machine
as a side note, the period of the end of the republic is so well documented that you can actually build a day by day occurring for almost 25 years. And i mean it DAY BY DAY life in those days. There has not been something so well documented up until the late 19 century as a reference of how much we do actually know about that small period of time, its crazy to think about that.
cicero was a homosexual who patted himself on the back every chance he got. we think hes cool because almost all the surviving primary sources about the senate from that era is written by cicero, where he makes himself sound like hes the mastermind behind everything.
Caesar propaganda
They portrayed Caesar poorly as well, literally made him into a cuck
did they really not know how to hem their clothes?
That generation intentionally dressed like shit because it was cool.
Caesar walked around with his toga loosely tied at his waist, these guys were basically doing punk rock
Do you really have to say whatever Dan Carlin says word-for-fricking-word?
Can you at least change up the wording a bit?
it probably originated in the fact that using excessive fabric in your clothes was a sign of wealth
He tried to play both sides and got burned. So yeah he was moronic
Cicero is a coward because he uses deceptive words and lying speeches, in short: rhetoric, to whip the dumb masses into following him.
These tools are the exclusive domain of women, lawyers, spies, Greeks, and other despicable scum.
You know caesar did that all too. You're biased because Julius was also a chad military commander.
Literally every Roman leader did that you mong
Caesar repeatedly kept BTFOing Cato in the Senate with his banter
>Cicero is a coward because he uses deceptive words and lying speeches, in short: rhetoric, to whip the dumb masses into following him
congratulations, you've just described every Roman politician
hell, you just described almost every politician in human history
You say this anonicus, but it is not the case that you yourself are using these women’s tools at this very moment? Trying to deceive these good anons by mere rhetoric?
But then, a woman’s role always suited you best.
t. cicero
he was a roman era conservative shill.
Cicero simultaneously demonstrated the potential power and failings of the republic when placed under pressure. I like to think of him as george lucas.
That is the most based high test thing I have read on this board this year.
Truly Anon is blessed by Jupiter
What movie is this?
GLADIATOR 2
I, Claudius: the Early Years
In all seriousness, what was wrong with Claudius. Was it Cerebral palsy or..?
Wish his work on the Etruscans survived.
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>In all seriousness, what was wrong with Claudius. Was it Cerebral palsy or..?
>Wish his work on the Etruscans survived.
The Claudian line was always a bit twitchy, subject to nervous diseases.
HBO's Rome series. Only spoonfeeding because the world always needs more Romechads.
Snivelry!
Cicero was the OG shitposter
I wish so bad I could bring an ancient Roman to this time so I can show him how Rome is now a dirty shithole and Anglos literally rule the world.
Then I'd laugh in his dumb med face.
Anglos and israelites* I should say.
kek
Rome was similar to America like 200 years ago, but imagine it's just as urbanized as it is now
>Rome was similar to America like 200 years ago
lmfao
No it wasn't.
Stop LARPing Jamal.
I'm on vacation in Italy at the moment. It's so fricking dirty everywhere.
shitaly is a shithole but the anglo world even more so, what is y'all point?
Rome was always a dirty shithole. Patricians lived in the countryside because it stunk so bad and senators hated doing their job because they had to go to Rome.
They hit it out the park with picrel, so they had to make Cicero a wet tissue. Also, I didn't like the second Octavian, I prefer the first one.
HE WORSHIPS DOGS AND REPTILES
HE COVERS HIS EYES WITH SOOT LIKE A PROSTITUTE
HE DANCES AND PLAYS THE CYMBALS IN VILE NILOTIC RITES
> Also, I didn't like the second Octavian, I prefer the first one.
This, first Octavian best Octavian
Also i'm not sure that I would consider the Cicero depicted in the series a coward. Granted he had no martial ability, which would explain why Anthony was able to intimidate him physically. But at the end of the day the character generally tried to do what he thought was best for Rome. Also I hope I handle my own death half as well as he did in the show.
What happened to the child actor who played First Octavian? He was excellent
He was also good as Blakeney in Master & Commander. I know he's been in quite a few shows and movies since Rome.
iirc it was something like he still had school, or he didn't look old enough?
>What happened to the child actor who played First Octavian? He was excellent
Became a Theology student and found Jesus.
octavian was supposed to be in his late 30s by the end of the series, you couldn't have a young teenager plau him all the way through, they should have gotten a better replamcent though
in general the seres was terrible at conveing the passing of times they covered 3 dacades and made it feel like a few years
That's because it got cancelled and they have to squeeze 3 seasons worth of shit into S2. Plus Pullo and Vorenus should have been in their sixties at the end.
He’s a casting agent i think?
his irl death was a thousand times more based than the show
pullo/the executioner doesn't tell him how to die, he says famously
>there's nothing proper about what you're doing, but at least do this (my execution) properly
and instructs his executioner how to quickest and cleanest kill him. unfathomably based way to go
This. Damn HBO homies should have kept him
Why didn't he just frick the german bawd from the kitchen?
>here's your Ptolemaic Egyptian elite palace guards bro
I was confused by this too, those homies look like bronze age Nubian mercenaries
>aaaahhhh black people on my television screen Im going INSAAAAANE
Sorry Amerimutt, you’ll find not everyone worships them like you.
so egyptians didnt have nubian slaves or what?
homie greeks ruled egypt before rome took over
cleopatra was greek
the capital was alexandria and greeks colonized that part of egypt
holy amerimutt education and disregard for the history of humanity
So the slave-guards were recruited from the ranks of the ruling dynasty? Are you literally moronic?
they weren't slave guards
they were the remnants and descendants of Greeks who started the ruling Ptolemaic dynasty
that part of Egyptian history prior becoming a roman province was called Ptolemaic Egypt
the founder of the last ruling Egyptian dynasty was started by Ptolemy Soter the first
he was one of Alexander the greats great generals who carved up his empire after Alexander died
>pic related, left greek styled bust, right Egyptian styled bust
he ruled from Alexandria a city Alexander ordered built and it was full of greek soldiers and colonists and Egyptian servants and laborers
why would he want bodyguards to be the dregs of egyptian society instead of his loyal bodyguard that marched with him from Greece to the Hindus valley
where does this american fantasy come from that if you are some ancient ruler you must surround yourself with blacks
> Julio-Claudians were true Romans
> Why would their bodyguards to be the dregs from Germania instead of loyal Roman pretorians?
>Byzantines were the "actual" true romans
>Why would their bodyguards to be the dregs from Scandinavia instead of loyal Roman praetorians?
are you going to argue with me that Nubians were anything but southern apes?
homies what are y'all talking about at this point
im not following, do not wanna follow
he is just some guy who is obsessed with inserting blacks into both history and fantasy
he cant help himself
Dude, he's right idk what the frick you're talking about. You're having a meltdown over black slaves showing up in Egypt. Why do you fear Black folk so?
I am just implying that Black person-guard is not as ridiculous as it sounds since Roman emperors used Batavi for personal guard.
I hear that Germanic guard was an on and off thing, and I don't actually know when it started or finally ended. But all Julio-Claudians had Batavi guards.
-anon
it is my friend since Black folk weren't useful for anything back then and arguably even today
Rome was falling apart before it became an empire and continued to fall apart after it became one
Germanic bodyguards were payed mercenaries whose pockets were lined with the money of the person they protected
just like in the case of the Norse varingian guardsmen for the byzantine emperors
Black folk werent a thing in egypt, not then and event not today
>pic related, sandals of a egyptian pharaoh, left is a semite, rigth is a black
>even while thinking about other business and walking around the pharaoh makes sure to walk on the faces of his enemies
So, why would it be impossible for Egyptians to line Black person pockets with gold as well?
Romans hated germs and still used them in this honorable role.
I have no idea if there were or were no Black folk in the egyptian guard, but your argument is based on emotion.
they overpopulate and raid the north, then eventually get exterminated and wait for the population to increase
and that has been going on for millenia back then
what little they had was stolen in raids or built by slaves they captured from the north
they even managed zerg rush the north once after the bronze age collapse and controlled it for 2-3 generations
egyptians are one thing and nubians are a completely different thing
This has to be bait. You can't possibly be this moronic.
I bet you're the dumb frick who was trying to prove barbers didn't exist before the electric razor was invented
>you are dumb, wow just wow, i cant even
bro Egyptians aren't bantu Congolese blacks
Dude, nobody said that Nubians and Egyptians are the same thing. That has not been implied even once. Stop responding to the voices in your head.
stop with your burger argumentation that blacks were an intrinsic part of every civilization that ever existed
its like you cant help yourself be it genuine or just shitposting
You do realize that Egypt is in North Africa, right? You'd just have walk south for a bit and you'd find pleanty of blacks to use as slaves. Egypt =/= every civilization in history, and even then we are just talking about the probability of some Nubian slaves being used as bodyguards sometimes. You're still arguing with the voices in your head. No one has made the arguments you are accusing me of making. Pull your head out of whatever fantasy land you've buried it in.
>You'd just have walk south for a bit
at least ~700 miles of desert or arid terrain along the nile without proper roads at least ~2100 years ago
the only fantasy you have is egyptians or greeks going to the sud marshes south of egypt for prime nubian slaves or mercanaries that were their enemy even then for more than two thousand years
Yeah man it's totally fricking impossible to walk 700 miles just for some slaves. Who would ever do that lmao. No body in history has ever walked such a long distance through enemy territory.
try to use those measures on egypt and the nile, starting from alexandria or any of the older mayor cities
why get illiterate, low skill, low IQ black slaves when you can get anything else and its more convenient
what little actual slave trade there was, was directed towards the mediterranean
the whole expanse of libya or asia was full of more able people than the nubians
They didn't go for slaves, they went for their resources. The slaves are a bonus.
what resources
those people barely knew how to mold bricks let alone work metal
the only record of them having anything is after they run Egypt for a few generations before they got removed from power
this isnt a strategy game my friend
most people and polities did one of two things in the antiquity
wage war or pay tribute
if they pay tribute then you can find them in various maps as part of that realm or subservient to it
and since nubians didn't have shit to give to others they usually waged wars against egypt
There were gold mines in Nubia, you idiot.
what fricking gold are you talking about
that shit was literally around 4000BC for a brief period of time
Egyptians imported blue (lapis lazuli) rocks from as far as afganistan and they were worth more than gold
if there was anything of value there rome would have been deep into nubia just like they were in dacia
probably given them the same treatment, exterminated the population and colonized the region
concerning the proper Egyptian dynasties
to stop them from waging war occasionally and suppress their raids
when the greeks took over egypt they barely interacted with them
same with the romans they just didnt care for them existing
in both cases they were fringe realms that payed tribute to the greeks or romans
>exterminated the population
didn't happen
If the Nubians didn't have shit then Egypt wouldn't have annexed them. But Egypt did annex parts of Nubia. So, what's your point? Are saying it didn't happen?
the nile runs through it
>walking through field and forest is the same walking through the largest desert on the planet
putting that double digit IQ to work I see
It's almost like Egypt has access to the Nile river or something.
You do realize that Egypt annexed large portions of Nubia, right?
You do realize how frickhuge Africa is, right?
https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/W/bo3637888.html
nubian mercenaries were an integral part of egyptian society since the middle kingdom
do you want me to buy the book or just read the table of content
tell that to the romanians and why they arent descendants of romans who settled dacia after trajans wars
well, they're not
wrong haplogroup there friend
Jesus Christ you European homosexual can you stop with your American projection
>I MUST…. DEFEND LE BBCCCCCCCC
it is a massive stretch that they would hire nubian mercenaries and arm them with obsolete bronze age weapons, they obviously leapt to it because you keep screeching for "diversity"
I think even you know this, these things are less about fighting le racisterinos at this point but fighting reasonable people who are willing to point it out
I don't allow them on any screen
Nubian guards were a real thing, they're not implying Egyptians were black. The pharaohs considered them exotic.
>Nubian guards were a real thing,
source: dude trust me
it was a flex to be surrounded by exotics. Romans did it too
All of the senators were oligarch scumbags implicated in multiple scandals ranging from murder to running slums to extracting the public money to fund their all business ventures
They're all unelected rich dudes using their positions in government to better themselves while things were getting progressively worse in the empire
The people flocked to Caesar literally because he was increasing the grain dole, made it illegal to sell yourself into slavery to pay debt and made it illegal to make children inherit their parents' debt
Among other major reforms including the democratization of Athens
The senators killed them because they knew his populist policies would destroy them within a few years
Caesar was in on the public money. They hated him cause he brought the people in the patrician policy games. Not that he was the first one. Grachus bros did the same. Were killed. Sulla / Marius did the same. Ended up in a full out civil war.
Caesar comes, plays the populist cards again, gets killed and causes two civil wars.
Some say, he could've stayed alive if he took a more time-stretched approach and did the Augustus.
But Augustus was young man with plenty of time to wait while Caesar was an old frick who was way too hungry to consider maybe not sitting on a golden throne and dismantling a republican institution every Tuesday.
In Ist century AD this was the whole emperor dynamic: an emperor comes, starts telling the senate to frick off, gets killed, is remembered for sucking horse dick or smt. An emperor comes, plays the long game, and enters senate-written history as a paragon of justice and wisdom.
Eventually, Severus came and told everyone to frick off or eat a sword. In my canon, Maximinus Thrax was the last Roman emperor. Anything that comes later is just roleplay.
That's just a bunch of senator shill nonsense. Caesar was corrupt, as were virtually all of the senators, but he used his powers to help the common folk, unlike the aristocracy. This is what bred resentment against him. By the time of the Rubicon, the senate was willing to use every and all means, trample every law to bring him down.
Anyway, what ate his head wasn't his lust for power or whatever, even though that's commonly misinterpreted. True, many senators were afraid of losing their own power, but most of the senators that were part of the conspiracy did it for their own petty grudges, not being assigned to good posts and generally from personal greed. Ironically, what killed him was his own mercy. If he behaved like Sulla or Augustus, he wouldn't have been stabbed in the back.
Your example with Augustus isn't all that good because the difference between Caesar and Augustus wasn't age or impatience, it was that Augustus was absolutely merciless when it came to those he perceived as a danger. While Caesar would pardon even his greatest enemy, Augustus would have long killed that man before he even became a threat.
ANTHONY!!! VETO THE MOTION!!!
>manifactures a crisis that leads to 1000s of dead romans just to brag about ~~*saving the republic*~~
>executes roman citizens without a trial to cover his ass about said crisis
>constantly jumping to the winner side
>helps octavian finish of the republic out of spite
>the one time he shows backbone in his life gets chopped to pieces(this was kinda based ngl)
>b-bbut he did a lot of fancy orations about how great he was how can you thing badly of him?
he's the prototypical selfserving politician but to his credit the fact that more than 2000 years after his death people are still falling for his bullshit is impressive
That picture should be reversed. Anthony was clearly the seething cuckold and Cicero the master troll.
Anthony was fricking based, homosexual.
> shit commander
> shit leader
> got owned so hard he had to resolve to violence, like a fricking child
> immortalized in history as an incompetent buffoon and, much worse, a woman thanks to Cicero
Meanwhile Cicero is known as one of history's greatest statesmen and orators, and he went out like an absolute Chad, choosing to shittalk Antony even knowing it would get him killed.
>resolve to violence, like a fricking child
yeah lol a Roman who used violence that's crazy yo
Proving my point. Antony was no better than the common vermin.
>
>Anthony was fu
He was probably the mastermind behind Caesar's murder.
He tried to off Cicero and Augustus, leaders of the Caesarian pro-expansion, pro-democracy, pro-science, anti-slavery party. Basically the libertarians of the day.
He got lucky and offed Cicero.
I don't know why people praise his fancy letters and speeches when his actions show him to be an opportunistic hypocrite who shitposted from the countryside until a Roman Navy Seal tracked him down.
His brother was based though, fought with distinction under Caesar in Gaul.
> opportunistic
he was a committed Republican all the way and died for his principles. He was the exact opposite of that.
Cato was a committed Republican. Cicero was just a rat. He had his views but he was more than willing to bend them to suit his needs.
love how none of the cicerogays ITT even tried to argue against any of this because deep,down they know their hero is a hypocrite piece of shit and don't want to face it
that reply and the fact he went out with dignity are already something to aspire for. also in the series he seemed to be a good guy, although bullied by anthony.
not a hero tho.
Cicero was basically the Destiny of Ancient Rome.
>driving a troony to suicide with open help from Kiwi Farms
>too liberal to get banned from anywhere for it
He really is the söychad
Steven "the swastika" Bonnell is so fricking based
Cicero (the real guy) was a fence-sitting smug twerp who deserved everything he got from Antony.
Don't forget he was also a pedophile. He didn't keep all those boy slaves around just to serve his dinner.
It was a different time a better time
He only married that 12 year old girl after his daughter died and he seemingly went off the deep end since he married that kid, immediately divorced her, and then decided to go antagonize mark anthony, who was known for being a power mad psychopath and incapable of controlling his emotions, until it got him killed.
Being contrarian isn't a personality.
>weasely
He WAS weasely. Smart, wise, and arguably based, but definitely weasely, too.
>coward
We have no way of knowing if he was a coward or not in real life, but the show makes it clear he is willing to risk his life for the republic, he just isn’t willing throw it away over something like pride. He’d rather grovel and submit to Marc Antony in person because that allows him to get away and get revenge. He couldn’t take Mark Antony in a fist fight, but he knows exactly how to humiliate him and get under his skin from afar, which is exactly what he does. I love Cicero as a historical figure and as a writer, and this is my favorite depiction of him.
good show but shame about the drop in quality from season 1 to season 2, could barely sit through it dbh.
Antony carries S2 imo
The first two or three episodes of S2 were pretty good. The problem was that once the writers were told the show was going to be cancelled they had to scrap all their plans and rush through everything.
because HBO rome is actually shit and is basically proto-GoT, down to the obnoxious zoom-outs of male genitalia
HBO has always leaned pretty hard on the softcore porn angle, especially early on in just about any series.
Though on the other hand pretty much everything that happened in Rome could be blamed on women, so in some ways it's a pretty based show.
You cover your eyes with spot like a common prostitute you cuck
>Petrarch's rediscovery of Cicero's letters is often credited for initiating the 14th-century Renaissance in public affairs, humanism, and classical Roman culture.[12] According to Polish historian Tadeusz Zieliński, "the Renaissance was above all things a revival of Cicero, and only after him and through him of the rest of Classical antiquity."[13] The peak of Cicero's authority and prestige came during the 18th-century Enlightenment,[14] and his impact on leading Enlightenment thinkers and political theorists such as John Locke, David Hume, Montesquieu and Edmund Burke was substantial.[15] His works rank among the most influential in global culture, and today still constitute one of the most important bodies of primary material for the writing and revision of Roman history, especially the last days of the Roman Republic.[16]
Cicero and his rhetorical bullshit has been a disaster for the human (white) race
Because he was.
Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good lawyer or orator.
Why would he be particularly brave? He wasn't a military man, he was really good at rhetoric.
He called out a conspiracy against the Roman Republic when he wasn't that much of a big shot yet, at the risk of his own life.
Not saying he was a gigachad by any means, but he certainly had balls.
I give sincere thanks to Jannius Unpaidium
>Cicero as a weasely coward?
here's your "le based Cicero" Black person
"Such, then, were Cicero's domestic affairs. But in the design that was forming against Caesar he took no part, although he was one of the closest companions of Brutus and was thought to be distressed at the present and to long for the old state of affairs more than anybody else. But the conspirators feared his natural disposition as being deficient in daring, and his time of life, in which courage fails the strongest natures."
For if they suffered any milder penalty than death, he was sure they would not be satisfied, but would break out into every extreme of boldness, having added fresh rage to their old villainy: and he himself would be thought unmanly and weak, especially as the multitude already thought him very far from courageous.""
So, being a woman of harsh nature, and having sway over Cicero, she incited him to join in the attack upon Clodius and give testimony against him.
Terentia: Honey, it's time to betray your friend Claudius over me
Cuckero: Yes honey...
The guy literally had a bunch of personas
>Octavius
>Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus
>Augustus
Based
chuds have no problem with this but when elliot page changes his name it's end of the world, hypocrites.
>me
>my uncle's nephew
>the reincarnation of a god, which my uncle also was
Versus
>me
>me but with mutilated genitals
Hmmmmmmmmm.
There’s been like a billion works of fiction depicting him as a shining hero of Rome, so the tv show decided to subvert that by putting a fresh spin on his character by emphasising the darker, less appealing aspects of his personality
i think most people tend to gloss over ciceros more negative actions and qualities and purely remember him as LE BASED SAVIOVR OF LE REPVBLIC and god tier senator
its similar to the people who are incredibly biased against octavian and completely ignore his good qualities and actions
not even roman history is exempt from waifu wars tier homosexualry
Having Roman waifus is encouraged, based even
>You wanna know how I got these scars?
>and what of good solonius?
GIVE HIM THE FLOOR!
PERHAPS YOU WOULD HAVE US CLIMB A TREE
Very good anon full of vim and verve as usual. Janny has been generous to the posters because he loves the posters as I do.
Didn’t he hide in his house for a year after getting cucked out of his power by Caesar?
And your "evidence" is Cicero's own writings?
cicero was a respected statesman but i wouldn't call him based
too much of a politician
>GAIS JUUULIUS CEASER
because practical moderate doesn't fit in well with us/them dynamics, and the show was playing that up
Reminder the president of el salvador copied a scene from this movie in real life
He was a coward.
>Yes yes Caesar thank you for your pardon *audibly slurps up cum*
Cato the younger is the one who had guts, he proved that by spilling them all over the floor.
>Do you think Cincinnatus or Marius or even the Gracchi would demean themselves so?
guy who played vorenus was great in dog soldiers
I don't remember this scene but why would veronius hold the gracchi to any respect much less put them in the same sentence as cincinnatus, a true catonian should despise them
I get marius since despite being populares he was a great general and veronius would respect that but why the gracchi?
iirc he doesn't like them, he's just comparing them to Antony who he sees as even worse because he's boorish and rude.
Who?
He was a weaselly coward. A FAT, weaselly coward. And it's pronounced "KICK-a-row", you plebeian culibonia.
It always makes me laugh when people point out one but just one mistake of latin pronunciation when literally everything is wrong. It's like if a house was obliterated by a tornado and you point at the pile of rubble and specifically single out and complain that the milk was knocked over
>cicero
>based
>backstabs his best friend that treats him like family to allow the republic to dive even deeper into corruption
Carthago delenda est
ivdea*
dovahhatty?
Tu discere latinam nōn potes
Isn't this the homosexual who couldn't even kill himself properly?
You're thinking of Cato the younger, notorious annoying loser who was jealous of Caesar (who was also fricking his sister, incidentally).
bros did Romans really look like this?
cope
give him a bigger nose and it's 100% correct
This read reads like Caesarian propaganda
Isn't this the guy that loser Historia Civilis constantly 5oyjacks over whenever he's having an unhinged rant about Ceasar and the boys??
Test
carthaginian paws clacked this out.
BEGONE FORESKIN MUNCHER!! CARTHAGO DELENDA EST!
Carthage was turned in to nothing but a memory centuries before Cicero was born.
canaanites, phoencians and israelites all the same bad news.
Carthage was razed exactly 40 years before his birth, in 106BC
Well, his name would have been pronounced
>israelite-ke-ro
and not
>sis-ser-ro
>No Nero kino
>No Trajan kino
>No Hadrian kino
>No Aurelian kino
>No Constantino kino
Shame on the house of HBO for such barbarity
>join the legion
>See the world
>Rape the world
>When you retire you get a nice piece of land and roman citizenship
Kino
> some barracks emperor makes his move
> steals your crops, rapes your wife
> a year later, he grants your plot to one of his centurions
> move out, old man
Cicero was his time's equivalent of Trump Reply Guy.
God I’d love HBO to do a show about the Punic wars
Imagine seeing a shitload of elephants going over the alps
Or loads of Carthaginians getting bushwhacked by Roman troops
Or Canne
The elephants died crossing the Alps, moron.
Yeah but they still started the trek and died along it (and 1 survived)
I doubt they'd do that.
They offscreened almost all major battles in Rome.
I can't even remember what Pharsallus looked like. They probably removed that one as well.
It's cheaper to pack the screen time with lewd redheads rather than film massive battles.
A sellout, a hypocrite, and someone who never actually lived in the Rome he thought Rome was.
They also invented an incest plot for Octavian, despite there being zero evidence for that, portrayed Cleopatra as a bawd instead of a savvy political operator who out stepped her bounds, and Atia of the Julii was *literally famous* for being morally incorruptible and good hearted. But sexy bawds and sociopathic perverts are what makes prestige tv work, so that's what we got. God forbid we tell a nuanced story about the complex morals and desires of people who aren't constantly banging their siblings and employees.
He was good, but he wasn't the most based republican.
Been listening to this the last week or so. Cicero was just not on the same level as the greats of his time. Crassus, Cesar, Cato, and Pompeii overshadowed him
well, being a weasel coward is based. concepts like "honor" are spooks, and you are bluepilled
Hating virtues is very normie.
lorem ispsum DEEZ NUTS
>Octavian wants a triumph for beating Anthony
>Cicero says it's too much to ask from the Senate
>Agrees to making him fricking consul instead
A triumph was a much bigger deal than being consul
>Allowing a triumph for beating other Romans
Big no-no
for me it's atia
>Atia of the julii, I call for justice!
Because he was the Ben Shapiro of ancient rome
For me, it's Cato
He was.
>Expected a triumph for beating like 30 hillbillies in the forest. No military aptitude whatsoever.
>Literally supported the Optimates, i.e. the faction of "do nothing but make a few hundred people richer until our whole society falls apart and we get taken apart by our enemies"
>Always played along with whatever party was actually in power. Was not killed for standing up to who was in charge, but for talking shit about them BEFORE they were in a position to kill them to an extent his grovelling couldn't save him.
>Entire personality is being a sort of seething, dour Martin Prince.
>His entire family somehow fell in love with a slave and talk about him in all their letters like the family dog. All hated each other half the time, yet always agreed this slave was the best. Not really a character failing but a very weird dynamic. It was like the "Not Lenny!" joke from the Simpsons.
>His entire family somehow fell in love with a slave and talk about him in all their letters like the family dog. All hated each other half the time, yet always agreed this slave was the best. Not really a character failing but a very weird dynamic. It was like the "Not Lenny!" joke from the Simpsons.
cute and wholesome slavery
Did she play Cleopatra well?
she did have nice booba
and Atia did too actually
no
one of the worst things about the show along with octavian2
kinda
she was an annoying c**t which is how I've always viewed Cleopatra
Every day I thank God for the good solonius poster
ROMAN BREAD
Because this show was about "imperialism good"
imperialism is good tho
Nyooooo not the corrupt senators flooding rome with cheap slave labour in order to frick over normal plebs and retired soldiers
kino
>Itt historygays and their master's degree get btfo
B-BUT MY PROFESSOR TOLD ME THE TEXT NEVER LIES
i was there it was exactly like in show
no he was a weasly coward. Thats why no one told him about the plot to kill ceasar
Yeah, that part did piss me off a bit
Looks like he's about to dance to the beat
Cicero only cares about the Senate and not the Republic and people of Rome