Why did they turn Sauron into tragic conflicted antihero with romantic feelings to Galadriel?
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So that nonbinary queer men can whisper to themselves "I can fix him"
>nonbinary queer men
This type mostly find such stuff being "le problematique"
It's 20-30s roasties
roasties aint watching this shit
You haven't watched twitter enough. They're swooning over "muh doomed love"
Why do morons always pretend like their tiny slice of Twitter is the equivalent of the impossible high view over every single post on a topic on twitter and discussion on it that doesn't use any keyword or tag?
but they still think the outrage is about some chuds mad about Black folk on the screen.
They don't want to fix him. They prefer abusive partners so their victim complex remains justified.
>incel hands typed this
He's not wrong, Troons
That doesn't make it untrue. What makes it untrue is that it's actually literally untrue. Women do not like being abused, rather the male energy to which they are attracted is simultaneously crushing and protecting. Loving, and controlling--because in the interaction between male and female energy (order and chaos) the only possible relationship is some degree of control.
The male vs female worldview requires that you understand crushing universal apathy on the one hand, which creates men who forge things to escape their existential isolation, and one of different gravities, none apathetic, which creates women who simply desire another center of gravity, which can manifest itself positively or negatively but is gravity nevertheless.
Dumb incel, this is why nobody will ever love you
Speaking of "I can fix him", that superfan still hasn't watched RoP yet.
women*
have sex
>""""""""""""""""""women"""""""""""""""""""""
which side has more IQ points tho
definitely not the one watching a show they hate in a room full of toys for children they spent thousands of dollars on
and yet they still have considerably more iq points than the right side
No it's so that 30 year old roasties will ship him like they do with Ted Bundy
Hive mind
for "i can fix him" appeal
Wut
Because it's hot
he literally said he wasn't sauron tho
Sauron wouldn't lie... would he?
Sauron the deceiver? No...
Sauron the DeSneeder
Does this guy really get to frick Galadriel? I though she's supposed to be a maiden.
no, but the show decided to have a ton of sexual tension for no reason
They're getting closer to it with each new episode.
In this one they basically confessed their feelings for each other.
No he just said he gets the fizz when they're chopping orcs together, she said she gets frothy as well.
She’s supposed to be a mother and wife by this point in her life, but then what the frick does Tolkien know?
Because the show is by morons, for morons.
Teenage love drama
Totally. Adults don't think about sex like at all, right fellow mature adults?
mad shill
elves don't
has there been anything that says hes actually sauron yet? everyone says it online, but hes off on a boat for what reason? and why leave numenor if he wanted to learn blacksmithing there? this show is shit, but isnt he setup as human king of southlands or whatever? hed probably end up being the nazgul guy if anything.
it's just a funny meme
>but hes off on a boat for what reason?
He's adrift, both metaphorically and for real
>and why leave numenor if he wanted to learn blacksmithing there?
Because cute elven gf told him so.
Come on, dude talks about mastering enemies via giving them something to master their fears, he' somehow assumes that Galadriel's dagger belonged to someone who she lost, he literally apologizes for killing her brother, and he's an amazing smith.
In the last episode we're beyond subtle hints now. His confrontation with Adar and Ratface asking "whatever he did to you" clearly implies that he's big mad Adar killed him last time. We're entering the point even braindead morons are supposed to get it. That's you anon.
My interpretation is that when the dark elf talk about he killed Sauron, split him in half.
It means he did actually spirit him in half. Adar somehow split Sauron in to two persons, the old man stranger and the young handsome Halbrand.
The old man has Sauron's magic but not his evil heart anf memory
Halbrand has no magic but had
Sauron 's memory, although no complete.
For Halbrand, he didn't know he's actually a dark lord . He just remember he's the king of South and Adar did horrible things to him
How in the everloving frick would he be capable of fracturing a maia into two distinct entities?
Magic, i guess. Sauron was experiment on how splitting his soul and power into other objects, testing on how could he perfectly doing so. Adar just use the tool Sauron was using to "kill"
him.
This sounds moronic and foreign. But if the show ran with it I wouldn’t be surprised
>the ring was a horcrux
imagine ripping off harry potter, tolkien was a hack, holy shit
>who ARE you?
Cmon man.
>Sauron the "Deceiver" takes on a disguise in this era to frick with men
>"Looks can be deceiving"
>Talks about fate
>Obsession with forging
>Has an autism fit and nearly kills 6 Numenorean men (superhuman men) with ease
>Master diplomat who worked his way into position of power just by having a fricking talisman
>"Remember what you did to me?"
>Character he was talking to then declares that he killed Sauron
Gee I wonder why anyone would think the guy who says all the cryptic Sauron-related lines could be Sauron?
The funniest part is that even though it's already obvious, the idiots watching the show don't get it. He needs to turn directly to the camera and say "haha it's me Sauron I was Sauron all along, because I am a master of disguise and manipulation" and maybe half these idiots will get it.
>I am a master of disguise and manipulation
Even more funny if he's not manipulating or deceiving anyone at this point, besides keeping his identity in secret.
I'm waiting for all those reviewers giving this show 10/10 to go
>OMG IT WAS LITERALLY SAURON ALL ALONG!? AMAZING! BETTER THAN TOLKIEN!
dont forget whole ''galadrriel will keep the power she seeks to destroy alive'' thing
Are you moronic?
I'm guessing he's the king of the dead who will betray Isildur, why else would they hint so much at him being a king?
This theory never made sense to me. What's the point of making Galadriel confess her biggest insecurities, basically open up her soul to some fricking King of the Dead?
Narratively, it makes sense for him being Sauron the most. Because they're making reylo 2.0. with them.
At this point I'm honestly convinced that the people who deny him being Sauron are paid off. The show is making it painfully fricking obvious.
>"YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HE DID"
>next scene Adar confesses to killing Sauron
>"who ARE you...?"
>Halbrand walks off mysteriously
This is middle school level mystery writing.
>"What do you know of darkness" - says some totally mortal man mockingly to the living being which is older than the Sun
>I am sorry for your brother, Galadriel
>>I am sorry for your brother, Galadriel
Worse, he says he's sorry "for all of it."
And this is right after him saying "you're wrong" in response to the claim that he didn't personally fight alongside evil.
The next stage in defeating moronation is accepting that Sauron is not a manipulative mastermind in this season, but a teary eyed Kylo Ren-esque character.
This is also quite difficult for redditors, who at least accepted that he's Sauron.
Someone linked plebbit thread where everyone is convinced that people who say Sauron=Halabrand are idiots.
It's like I'm taking crazy pills. It has to be only shills left at this point
it makes no sense to sacrifice your villain for this wam bam thank ya ma'am drama
>it makes no sense to sacrifice your villain for this wam bam thank ya ma'am drama
Yes shill, you're right, but your co-workers at Amazon should have thought about that before making the show.
Would make sense if Galadriel, Isildur and Halbrand form a close relationship where he eventually breaks off and betrays them both, with Sauron as this larger-than-life force in the background. I don't see Halbrand as someone who'd fashion themselves Lord of the World or King of Kings, clutching some dumb-ass trinket.
They just called him "The true king of the Southlands" and the Southlands is fricking Mordor, you goob. It's blatant this guy is Sauron.
Yes, the emotional Sauron asking some mud elf if he "remembers him" like a moronic peasant. Wow, what incredible nuance.
>why leave numenor if he wanted to learn blacksmithing there?
>a former Maiar of Aule not already knowing everything to know about crafting
Him wanting to stay and learn is a huge 'I am NOT Sauron' red flag. The motherfricker was a God-level artificer before he even joined Morgoth.
He didn't want to stay to "learn" really, he wanted to stay away form ME and Galadriel stupid mission/quest to find and kill him.
1. He's a born liar.
2. You apparently missed the scene where "I am just learning blacksmithing" shat out a perfectly crafted Numenorian sword, with engraving, despite allegedly having zero experience.
I confess I may be mistaken, but I just don't get 'ancient unspeakable power' vibes off the guy, and he's kind of a dunce.
They are going for aimless/repentive Sauron, who has no real goals but to be left the frick alone and wallow in hi self-pity.
You don't know that, Halbrand has not yet revealed himself as Sauron. I don't understand how you actually take what you're seeing at face value. Sauron lies Black... He's not conflicted.
He’s good-looking but he doesn’t have the ‘fair’ appearance I think he’s supposed to. The shadow of mordor games nailed what he should look like
his fair form is an elf
Thats my point. Halbrand is too ruggedly handsome to be an elf. He doesn’t have the pretty boy aesthetics to be an elf. What are they gonna do if Halbrand is Sauron, change the actor when Annatar arrives in Eregion? It just feels off. I feel confident hes either a Nazgul or less likely the oathbreaker
Not that anon, but I assumed multiple actors would portray Sauron.
There will be no Annatar.
They'll go with "populist king of the southlands who wants to make middle earth great again"
Running on “the elves terk errr jerbs!!!” Its all coming together now, thanks anon
My guess is that the season ending reveal will be that Halbrand is Sauron but it won't be revealed to the other characters, just the audience.
Then he'll likely go back to Numenor, now as a king in exile to ask for favor from numenoreans, but in fact he's going to be turning them against the elves and valar and so on...
It fits the narrative nicely and it is already established he's a competent smith so it just segues into him "learning" about mithril and working with it.
In fact they'll make mithril the one thing that was missing from his "experiments" up north that Adar was mentioning. He failed because he didn't have it to craft his shit with.
jfc an episode of Seinfeld is more faithful and respectful to Tolkien than this show
pic more related than ROP
What you’re describing happens after the forging of the rings
Yeah, but they're compressing the age into one tighter story.
They didn't really bring up Halbrand's smithing for no reason. Smithing that even impressed numenoreans.
Likely he goes back with the queen to numenor because there's nothing for him to do in the southlands/Mordor right now and Galadriel goes to the elves.
Eventually Galadriel brings up mithril when dealing with numenoreans and we get a shifty closeup to Halbrand's eyes etc..
No. Galadriel will reveal that it's him, he'll ask her to join him and will get rejected.
You know what, I think I know how they will solve the "Galadriel knows that Halbrand is Sauron" problem for at least next season.
It's quite simple, actually. No one will believe Galadriel. It's gonna be Hannibal season 2 situation, when the main character knows exactly that he's a murderer, but Dr. Lecter basically gaslights him as being mentally unwell.
Think about it - elves exiled this quite an intrusive b***h, who then appears in front of their doors again, turning out to refuse the greatest gift from the High King, telling everybody that the King, which she propped up herself is actually Sauron.
Everybody would assume that she's just a pure schizoid, while Sauron will work with Celebrimbor, helping him with that project of his.
>Halbrand is too ruggedly handsome to be an elf. He doesn’t have the pretty boy aesthetics to be an elf.
You're right sloop eater, he's not nearly as much a pretty boy as Blacklas. Amazon is really not sending their best.
ive been saying he becomes the witch king
Sauron got SPLIT open. things that get split usually fly away in bits and pieces. and who is it that we see flying? Meteor Man. That' s because the stranger is a shrapnel of pinata Sauron
It's a convenient choice of words because he got "split" into the meteor man and Halbrand. That's why the sinister cultists are following meteor man. They'll eventually meet up, do a fusion dance and Sauron will pop out.
Sauron saving and protecting proto hobbits would be the most insulting thing and i don't put it past amazon
saving and protecting proto hobbits
I think it will actually add to the ironic that hobbit are the one eventually destroy him at the very end.
My guess is that after the fusion,
Sauron just didn't remember or value his time with the hobbit at all, which become his doom many, many years later.
I don't even think The Stranger and Halbrand know they're Sauron, they just had feeling they're different.
Honestly the fusion theory makes the most sense.
meteor man simply can't be any of the known wizards since he's too early for that, he is constantly portrayed in a sinister way, despite wanting to be good and helpful and now he has some weirdo cultists tracking him which obviously waited for him to show up.
On the other hand Halbrand also exhibits traits, but if he really was just Sauron in disguise he'd be less wavering and "unsure" and more to the point.
But now with Adar mentioning Sauron was "split" it all makes sense. Both of them are Sauron, they just don't know it yet.
>since he's too early for that
We're not on the timeline.
I know but having some known wizard be this early would just make him be delegated to bumbling around in the background and not interjecting with any other plotline for the whole run.
kek
Nothing is following any timeline at all
Hobbits and Gandalf didn't appear for thousands of years after what we are seeing with Numenor. In fact the very thing that denotes the ending of the age we are in is it's destruction.
Galadriel and her husband and daughter had nothing to do with Numenor.
Ar-Pharazon and the creation of the rings are almost 2 thousand years apart IIRC
My point is, we can't assume ANYTHING is off the table of moronation, because it's not what happened in canon.
given what they have to work with they should be taking more liberties but with the cavat of being more upfront about the "loose" nature of the adaption in question.
Seriously, if the series had disclaimer in front of every episode that said "inspired by characters created by J.R.R Tolkien" 99% of my seething would subside
Same as the movies, right?
movies are far, far close though.
No one expects a 100% literal translation.
Most of the movie changes are for the better for film needs. Like rewriting the boring ass first section where Frodo literally takes years to prepare to leave and then they frick around with Tom Bombadil as a massive irrelevant side plot etc.
Removing Glorfindel and strengthening Arwen makes more sense as well in a movie series with limited time. The series already has a ton of charcaters as is.
Maybe in a full series there would be of a justification to be as close as possible to the lore and include shit like staying at Farmer Maggot's etc.
hope is nugaladriel inspired by tolkien tho. she's a different character except in name
*how
Galadriel does frick all in the greater history of Middle Earth, she is merely mentioned now and then and the reader goes "Oh...Galadriel, she was around then too!". Without her, Amazon would have no recognizable characters from the Lord of the Rings though, they could either make her meet Celeborn and project mystical power to the boundaries of some forest or they could turn her into a soldier. Jackson already opened the door to this and frankly I like this portrayal better than what the Hobbit ended up doing.
Uh, Elrond is brothers with the guy who founded Numenor.
But he's a white male, so that's a no-go as the series' focus.
I though Sauron was split between Adar and Halbrand just by some of Adar's lines towards the end of episode 5.
though the Meteor man being Sauron instead also works here..
Adar just conveniently fulfills this purpose of being an "early orc" and giving us insight about the role of orcs. I honestly didn't even expect this of the show, but we might even get some politicking on the side of the "bad guys".
Sauron just saved Elendil from an orc.
Is Sauron racist?
Probably. He gave them a place to stay, and some uppity light skinned Uruk gutted him in the back.
no he believes in industrial development and empowering people to seek new opportunties and improve their lives and the lives of others by attracting greater investment into a new paradigm of technology and industry.
Split in half is what he said. It works really well since we know the Eye of Sauron and the Ring are two separate entities.
Unironically an "I'm Sauron" t-shirt would be good merch if they time(d) the reveal correctly.
>Sauron was on the fence about going back to Valinor to ask forgiveness according to lore
>Halbrand was coincidentally around the entrance to Valinor and meets Galadriel
>Multiple characters telling her she might be the one bringing back the darkness
>Gal keeps trying to drag Hal back to Middle Earth when he wants to chill in Numenor
Latest episode
>Adar tells her to look in the mirror if she wants to find Sauron
>Halbrand suddenly appears from behind her
hmmm
But what if meteor man is melkor? He said ainur
Melkor got banned from the playground since he kept doing weird stuff with other people's kids.
The most exquisite troll ever created by the big man himself. I know he's in the void, but it doesn't make sense that ainur height is Sauron.
>Split in half is what he said.
He said "split open"
his armor is full of fricking rangs. that's like having I'm Sauron t-shirt.
Because you need to be reminded that you are evil. Yes, you. You'll lose everything that belongs to you. And that's moreally good. Because you're evil.
Isn't Galadriel married?
Not at this point.
She's going to meet Teleporno/Celeborn in season 3, according to some production leaks.
Before that, they'll milk her "will they-won't they" with Sauron at max.
Yes, and she has a daughter than Elrond marries.
And she fled and avoided war at all costs and thought Sauron was undefeatable.. and had nothing to do with Numenor and never met Sauron.
I could go on, but you get the point.
Because the 24 executive producers thought it was a good idea
this is actually where all the money went and why the show is such a travesty
How the frick do modern showrunners frick up a simpe good vs bad story?
>lotr
>simpe good vs bad story
Brainlet alert
>pretending lotr is high art
Fricking kek
>pretending simplistic good vs bad can't be high art
It can't be because.... IT JUST CAN'T OK!
>organizing an maritime expedition and arriving to random village JUST IN TIME
ridicolous
im almost 100% sure halbrand is the witch king and NOT sauron
I unironically agree
Nah, that kid will be the Witch-King
Or the Black Marshal.
He's Sauron the entire plot for the season was leaked months ago.
do you have any reasons or was it revealed to you in a dream?
So I can self insert as him
This, pretty much.
Never believed I'll say this, but Sauron is literally me.
Netflix presents Ryan Gosling as SAURON
Where's your husbando melkor then, you fraud.
In that incel Mandos's sex dungeon.
If I were you I'd be missing GROND dearly if you catch my meaning.
Because hack corpo-fiction
because the target audience are 30 something cat ladies with disposable income
It made Kylo Ren popular, so hey, maybe it will work here.
Never forget
After the "big reveal" in 8, I suspect Halbrand will be number 1 as well, and will be getting tons of tumbler-style fan art
"omg he is such a bad boy down on his luck, I can fix him"
I'm not sure. I think Galadriel is getting the Kylo Ren treatment more than Halbrand. Halbrand being Sauron is an obvious false flag. He's going to live a mortal life apart from Galadriel and die sooner than any of the Numenoreans too. Probably will wed Bronwyn to unite the southlands while Galadriel seethes and Arondir goes emo.
Nah, I I'm like 99.99% sure Halbrand is Sauron at this point. They set up way too much drama for it not to happen at this point.
And Galadriel maybe a psycho now, but she's about to be exposed as a hypocrite and humbled. Sauron is literally going to be her fault and plenty of teenage girls will find him sympathethic.
I don’t think he’s Sauron yet. Meaning Sauron’s spirit is out there without a corporeal form
Nah bruh, he's Sauron, but repentive and remorseful after getting killed and going full padme and losing his will to be an evil overlord.
That would require the writers being competent though and nothing in the show has indicated that at all so it becomes a question of what's more likely. Is it more likely that they were trying to be subtle and fricked it up like with everything else or that for this single aspect the writers actually achieved their goal?
@10:24
Jesus Christ.
Sauron is only for human kings
>Galadriel could see Feänor was full of shit even before the death of the trees
>can't see through Sauron in disguise
Good thing I'm not watching it.
Sauron had lowkey good intentions for now.
She also subconsciously feels his big maia wiener, that's why she's so drawn to this seemingly random mortal.
She's literally acting like Feanor. I think Amazon would have done a Feanor show, if only he was female.
Silmarillion would have been short if Feanor would have fricked Morgoth instead of breaking up with him, and he taking the silmarils after the divorce.
Melkor is ONLY for Sauron, get at the back of the line feanor
Must feel bad he kept making eyes at him while you were stuck in Middle Earth, cleaning dragon's shit, huh?
Cope and Seth, dragonlet. Husbando melkor loved Sauron and his wolves very much
That's not Sauron.
Go to bed, Saruman
why didn't they turn galadriels toes into my mouth?
Asking right questions here
Have you ever been hanging out with your stepdad and you both get a boner for the same lady at the same time?
He's not Sauron.
could he be one of the 9?
No, because he is Sauron.
he can't really be sauron, can he? why the frick was he sailing around numenor on that boat then? and don't give me some bullshit about seeing the future
>why the frick was he sailing around numenor on that boat then
Because... he was autistically trying to find new life, getting btfo'ed by Ulmo in the process
Real reason:
Because it was in the script. And the writers are clearly working backwards from the ending.
moronic reason the writers will give at the end of the season:
He was lost and drift, aimless, metaphorically and literally. Deep.
>he can't really be sauron, can he
Halbrand=Sauron leaked 2 months before the show premiered you shill morons.
where?
>Halbrand=Sauron leaked 2 months before the show premiered you shill morons.
It was leaked on this board half a year before the premiere.
This is RoP(e)... You really think it's been well thought out?
How else would Sauron have originally got to Numenor if he didn't sail?
He’s taken as a prisoner to Numenor by Pharazon in the books, no?
he surrendered himself on purpose, without a fight (since his orcs fled at the sight of the Numenorian legions) to corrupt him.
The Numenorians ended up worshipping Morgoth and having human sacrifices and shit
He is Sauron, man
The identity of Sauron is literally all this show's got.
Nah, the drama of who Galadriel will frick instead of her husband will always be the drama. Even without Halbrand, she's got many man slaves.
>she's got many man slaves
And she treats us so kindly
Liking the show and watching it is based
Not liking the show and watching it is cringe
Not liking the show and not watching it is based
Liking the show and not watching it is ???
ascended
gayBlack personhomosexualisraelite
Professional critic tier
>Not liking the show and not watching it is based
I'm this but I actually think it's kind of pathetic. These threads keep me entertained though.
Fair, but between this and HotD I'm at least getting my fantasy-series dick sucked like a boss this season. This is a good time to be alive and pirating TV.
Glad you're enjoying it. I might have to drop HotD though... Each week I lose more and more interest.
That’s how he gets people, Sauron’s most dangerous ability is his deception so he could bring more people to his side.
He isn't playing a bad boy, he IS a bad boy for Galadriel.
Earlier in the season, Celebrimbor talks about the Silmarils almost bringing back Morgoth of the light. Galadriel is Sauron's silmaril.
6 eps in and some old guy I don't even know the name of is more evil than Sauron
>be Sauron
>mope around in the forge and try to influence no-one
Galadriel is the antagonist. Sauron's just along for the ride.
>halbrand is sauron
He isn't. You people are literally moronic.
You're shilling or trolling
Rewatch the last few episodes moron.
Rewatch the last few episodes moron.
I swear to god if you say Gil Galad is Sauron one more time I will fricking remove your balls with a buzzsaw.
(You)
see
>A LARPer said so
Pathetic.
The other things the leaker said about eps up til now--before those eps aired-- came true, anon.
I want this to be true.
All signs point to the obvious, but if one good thing can come from this series it would be that fake leaks confirming he is sauron are just marketing plants and instead he becomes a king corrupted to nazgul.
An actual twist or something
>halbrand is not Sauron
Sure
Tolkien purposefully went for moron tier good and evil lines. These people have zero respect
How repentant was Sauron after Morgoth was defeated? Any LotR lore talker made it seem like a false, frivolous thing before he was back to his old tricks again
Morgoth was defeated and Sauron realized he couldn't win, so he initially wanted to surrender. But being held accountable for his crimes scared and shamed him, so he ran away into Middle Earth and hid. That's canon.
>Teleporno can't do anything about this.
Damn he's litterally me
they had to turn it into a soap opera to at least attempt to salvage the female audience, because men sure aren't watching it.
nobody is watching this show, this thread is literally made by Amazon to astroturf perceived interest to make you think you need to watch it. I'm 100% serious, and everyone who replies to me adversarially is paid by Amazon.
I'm watching it
Because Women fantasize about having Sex with a Chad Bad Boy thinking they can Fix him
Also this Show is Non Canon garbage is a is a glorified Fan Fiction
Most women shipped Sauron with guys. They fricked up if that was their demographics.
You're talking about different kind of women.
There's fujo, who ship Kylo Ren with Hux
And there's those who ship Kylo Ren with Rey
Surprisingly, the last ones prevailed by high margin.
GaladrielxSauron is pretty much nonexistent, it is a very rare pair while he fricks all dudes.
it WAS a rare pair. RoP is making it a thing and I'm glad about it.
Never heard of it, angbang bro
>Kylo Ren with Hux
Mad kino right there, lad. The fics prove it
Go back to your dark hole, fujo
You have no power here hahaha
rings of power will make a divide of forbidden love between elf and maia separate Galadriel and Sauron, unbeknownst to anyone but the two of them in history. This will cause the true motivation -- not revealed by Tolkien but retconned in by this show -- for Sauron to become evil again out of hatred for this world's cruel mores that prevent him from being with his waifu Galadriel.
They need content. Writers thinking they can improve a story.
>steals your Persian milf gf occasionally
How can anyone compete with him?
Sauron, even in his mortal form where he lost much of his magic angelic/demonic power, still charm and seduced people very quickly.
That is not Sauron.
>All these people who didnt see all the leaks come true
This show makes the Hobbit films seem competent.
True
Isn’t Sauron like literally the devil and some kind of fallen angel?
That's Morgoth.
Sauron is just a sperg who likes to autistically arrange things and kvetches when he can't.
That's Morgoth. Sauron was his competent secretary waifu (male).
because sauron is uninteresting if he is a 1 dimensional stock villain AND the second in command to an already defeated bigger baddie
He was interesting when he is annatar.
Yep, Tolkien was a hack. Amazon has fixed the holes in his shit lore.
He was interesting as mairon and falling for melkor. I wonder what melkor had to do to get him as a husbando
So its implied Adar is stronger than sauron? i feel like were missing something
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galadriel actually acted like galadriel for the first 5 minutes of the episode
Galadriel acted like Feanor not galadriel
Feanor got his shit pushed in by Gothmog; I can only wish something would beat Galadriel so badly she runs off to Lorien and never ventures out of it again from sheer terror.
>someone beat Galadriel so badly she runs off to Lorien and never ventures out of it again
Maybe the volcano eruption will do that. I hope
With Galadriel it makes sense since she both fell in love and had her heart broken by Sauron himself. Imagine kissing Sauron (maybe even sleeping with him?) while he's in disguise and then getting tricked in such a profound way.
No wonder she retreated into a swamp, refused to elaborate or participate in the final war and gave only trinkets when the Fellowship was passing through on their way to defeat Sauron. Her heart was not in it.
She wrapped her heart in a bouquet of barbed wire.
That's probably how they'll play this out, but it's still dumb. Sauron is mad levels above Galadriel in power; Luthien couldn't take him one on one and she dwarfed Galadriel in power scale. Sauron could and should just mindfrick her into being a moron.
This made that cimfortation in hobbit movie very personal.
Like ex lovers spitting on eachother
Frick Hackson for that shit. No such confrontation even happened.
>Not liking sauron's super special gif expansion attack while shitposting in the black speech
Pleb
Expanding .gif of DOOM. Mairon is a great troll, only second to the biggest troll known to ME (melkor)
Hackson butchered Sauron so badly
Why is he an all seeing eye? Because he knew of metaphysics?
White Council driving Sauron out of Dol Guldur is canon.
You know what's REALLY funny though?
Almost all major elven characters, all the valar and the maiar and so on lived in the same land at one point and were hanging out with each other. So basically they all know each other from "way back when".
Some of them went to the same classes together or hung out at the same events, composed poetry for each other, crafted little pots and trinkets, went on picnics together.
A significant portion of them know Sauron from when he was a "good guy" even though he probably had school shooter vibes from the start.
Can you imagine Sauron asking some elven lady or another maiar out and crafting some super nice legendary israeliteelry for her only to be rejected, etc...
It's kinda hilarious they all had their "college years" together.
Sauron is a maia. They were around before the Elves woke and before they reached Aman. Some Elves are also significantly older than others, by the FotR there are only a few left in Middle Earth that were alive during the first age.
Yes but they were still hanging around at the same time in the west and doing things together for many many years. And at the time maiar were fairly new to the whole Arda stuff so it's their formative years.
>Sauron the Lord of the Rings got into a petty brawl w/ Cossutius after lifting his guild coin, that would obviously be missed.
Sauron is so small, and unambitious. Pitiful portrayal tbh.
When the volcano exploded was it just a volcano exploding or was that mt doom becoming doomier?
Fuji-san became Krakatoa.
I can't wait for her sex scene with Sauron
You know, I've been a Silmarilliongay for a golden age now, but it's never really dawned on me until now that the Valar and Maiar have genders and are therefore capable of sex and comprehending it. I now just find it hilarious that straight-as-an-arrow kiss-ass goody two shoes Manwe takes time off every now and again to buttfrick his wife.
In my opinion Silmarillion should've never have existed.
It was better when Morgoth, the maiar and so on were these nebulous entities that have a sense of unknown mystery about them and they're in service of powers beyond our understanding.
Having the Valar simply be some greek/nordic pantheon hanging around with their designated pantheon roles cheapened the entire thing and made that entire higher tier of beings and their day-to-day duties trite.
Don't forget they're basically brother and sister as well lmao
Are we going to see some more weta fellbeast kino like in the ep1 prologue
It was pretty much confirmed he is Sauron the moment he wasn't revealed to be Theo's father.
That was the only other role he could've played.
Yep, the only reason people are contrarian about this bullshit is they're either shills or they're ignorant or are using flawed logic.
>Why did they turn Sauron into tragic conflicted antihero with romantic feelings to Galadriel?
Because - get this- they're soapifying Tolkien. I feel like I need to shower. Soap opera is the final form of all media because it represents low-effort writing that can be stretched out cheaply indefinitely, keeping monthly paychecks going.
If any of these shill posts actually make you interested in tolkien lore go read the books, there's zero tolkien in this goyslop show.
This guy got everyone believing he's a king without a single proof except a pouch
Something only Sauron could achieve.
Why do their fights look like their dance fighting?
>Galadriel absolves Halbrand of his past.
Haha dumb broad.
So what DID Adar take from Halbrand.
That entire part is a bit confusing.
The elves apparently are policing the southlands for hundreds if not thousands of years, to the point where an elf keeps walking into every backwater village and checking the receipts for their ale and grain every week and everyone is sick of it.
Yet Halbrand somehow got wronged by Adar in the same area only recently and lost his family there (presumably). How come the elves don't know about that then?
>So what DID Adar take from Halbrand
Not even adar knows kek and halbrand ignores when he ask him who he is.
His bodah
He's Sauron's good half.
When Adar said he split him in half himself, he meant that he split Sauron into two beings.
This is the power of amazon writing.
idk, it makes sense in terms of mythological-inspired writing.
Athena came out of Zeus's Head.
Mythology is full of "dreamtime"-type scenarios.
is that good writing tho
What if meteor man is melkor?
Meteor man is a balrog. The whole show seems to be about making purely evil character grey/good.
>What if Sauron actually had a good side that wanted to be redeemed
>What if there was a morally grey orc who is just trying to find a home for his people and only does bad things because his people have been treated worse
>What if there was a balrog that lost his memories and actually learned how to be good from the goodiest people in middle-earth, the hobbits, and fought his inner nature of evil
Their brains have been poisoned by GoT to think that LotR needs all these morally grey characters with tragic set-ups and backstories to justify their motives outside of being selfish/evil.
More like their brains have been poisoned by modern society
Adar is not morally grey, he says the same shit Sauron and Morgoth would, but he knows at the end of the day the orcs just perpetually want slaughter even when they have lands to rule over.
He is morally grey. He cries about his orcs getting killed. He literally pulls that old man to safety, from the falling tower, while putting himself at risk of dying. Then he gives a big speech about how he hated Sauron for having so many of his children get killed and how they deserve a home, just like every other creation. The only reasons he can't be considered morally good is because he has no problem slaughtering innocents to get what he wants. But it's justifiable in his eyes as he feels like his innocent people have been unfairly slaughtered themselves and he's running out of options.
Adar hates Sauron because he is Le bad but he also does the same things sauron does make a land for himself and his kids, be a god, genocide (the difference is Sauron does it all for his dead Daddy Morgoth)
Question. When smeagol had that little mental breakdown with the negative voice, was it sauron's voice because of the corruption... Or was it maybe a type of weird summoning of melkor's voice?
He had a sort of split personality from slowly going insane. The Ring def corrupted him, and but there was still a part of him that was hobbit(Stoor)
Yes, i understand it was the corruption of the ring, but was it all his schitzo babbling or maybe Sauron also had a hand in it besides the ring
Smeagol was alone underground for 500 years.
But did sauron's voice talk back to him or not? Or was it all him? I just don't see Sauron being so wretched... But melkor, well.
Sauron doesn't talk to anyone through the ring, he can just see them when they put it on. The ring has its own will which wants to get back to Sauron.
Oh okay, just wanted to clarify that. Thanks bro, may daddy melkor guide and protect you
>but he also does the same things sauron does make a land for himself and his kids
This is where you are wrong. Sauron doesn't look orcs, or any of his minions really. That's the fundamental difference between Adar and Sauron. It's the entire reason Adar hates him. Orcs are nothing more than a means to an end for Sauron. If he had complete control he'd likely get rid of them all if he could.
But Sauron cared for the wellbeing of his soldiers, no?
Not outside of wanting as much military might as possible. Orcs are chaotic and moronic. Sauron wants his own brand of autistic order forced on the world. He only tolerates them because they're largely all he has, outside of some other fringe factions.
>Is an order autist
>Follows and loves literal chaos and eternal change
I don't understand bro
Still just because adar has some humanity doesn't make him less evil than sauron, sauron also believes he is in the right too that he and morgoth were wronged and the world needed order. He was too afraid of judgement and hid fear
>orcs just perpetually want slaughter even when they have lands to rule over.
That's just elf propaganda. I can't believe you fell for that shit. They keep saying men and dwarves are greedy when they're the greedy frickers who attacked middle earth for the silmarils.
>Their brains have been poisoned by GoT to think that LotR needs all these morally grey characters with tragic set-ups and backstories to justify their motives outside of being selfish/evil
yep. That is why The Hobbit and LotR are easier to understand. Clear black and white story. This story tries so hard to be "smart"
>yep. That is why The Hobbit and LotR are easier to understand. Clear black and white story. This story doesn't appeal to autists who need basic emotions spelled out for them.
FTFY.
kek 100% impossible.
Balrogs all sided with Melkor in the age of the lamps.
Then again this show is fricking moronic.. but still.
Yes, Balrogs are corrupted Valar that followed Morgoth. They're inherently twisted and evil, like orcs. This one seems to have lost his memory, though. Also, there is going to be a balrog in the next 2 episodes, because it has been showing in teasers. It's either going to be him (most likely), probably doing some big sacrifice for the hobbits. Or it'll be some random balrog in a dwarven mine, which doesn't make too much sense at this point in the lore (Amazon don't care, though)
>Valar
Maiar
That's right, my mistake. Nice quads.
I find it endearing that Sauron, supposedly the second most evil being in ME, is extremely loyal to his master that is basically dead and can't control him anymore. Evil characters can have redeeming qualities, same as how melkor wanted to find the secret fire because he wanted to actually go back to Eru since he's a insincere atheist (aka, he knows Eru exists, but he knows he doesn't actually care at all to what happens in the simulation called Ea). The mightiest vala was also the most isolated one that never fell for the fantasy and illusions the other vala fell for
>Their brains have been poisoned by GoT
Your brains are poisoned by Protestantism, this all is very Catholic
That's why TES will always be the superior fantasy setting with truthful metaphysics
Halbrand, Adar, Durin and Elendil are the only likeable characters. The only actors who belong. Gil-Galad gets a pass too because he’s the only male elf who looks like an elf; looks almost exactly like Gil-Galad in the FOTR prologue
Gil-Galad looks like a fricking 50 year old business man in a wig. He's fricking fat.
Idk, hes got charm albeit on a slightly chubby face. He looks way better than scrunch-faced Elrond
Gil-Galad would be better if he was just interested in having a good time and taking over from some more serious elf king.
>kicking out Galadriel because she's a party pooper who wants to keep fighting a war that's been over for 80 years.
and other boomer "Just Let Me Grill Goddamn it" shit
All of the elves are currently just frolicking buffoons but this will change as the stakes get higher and they need to get their hands dirty
SAURON EXPLAINED
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He's not Sauron, you dumb fricking Black folk.
He is Sauron, you dumb fricking Black person
>REDDIT SAYS HES SAURON SO HES SAURON!!!
SAYS
Reddit literally denies it, lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/xsadvv/to_all_the_people_that_are_certain_that_halbrand/
>he actually goes to reddit
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>he actually fricks and sucks
SAYS HES SAURON SO HES SAURON!!!
How did you know it?
I obviously didn't because I was making shit up and they were exposed they were a reddit retroactively BTFOing them out for calling them all for being a redditor.
4D chess, Black person.
I thought Sauron was a giant eye made out of fire. Now he’s just some guy? That’s lame.
Look at za hobbit. He is the man in the eye
>Why did they turn Sauron into tragic conflicted antihero with romantic feelings to Galadriel?
soap opera is the default mode of all media out
the elves kind of forgot that the light of valinor shines down on them all day every day
Does anyone have a gif / webm of when Galadriel slides off half of her horse to avoid an arrow/spear? I lost my shit so hard when that happened.
so halbrand is sauron but he just doesn't know it yet?
He's likely a remorseful "want-to-to-good' Sauron. But could also be a deceptive Sauron. Possibly just a part of Sauron. The answer is in there somewhere. How they're going to tie him in to helping make the rings, I have no idea.
I mean, making the rings was supposed to be his idea to begin with, so they've already fricked it up.
if the leaks are not true, hopefully they aren't, it would be interesting for him to be a nazgul. however it seems so obvious he's sauron after scenes with vadar and his obsession with smithing. he has been crowned as a king of men which would qualify him semi canonically to be a potential wraith. im pretty sure they all are named in the literature but i can't remember if they are all fleshed out characters besides what they become.
Uruk is dangerous
The sound of the crying and scream of people of the southern land is all around them. Fire and smoke every where and the once blue sky and green land was shadow by dark cloud that makes even the greatest men and elves' eyes burn.
Galadriel stood there still ,shocked and unable to move. Just a moment ago, they had just rescue this village, saved it's people, and celebrate a return of the king moment. Now it's hell on earth, where death and darkness is everywhere.
Heart fill with sorrow and sadness, and also the growing angers for the dark lord 's dark deed, Galadriel saw
Halbrand stood still, emotionally in the centre of dead village and orcs.
He faces have no sigh of any emotions, it's like a dark cloud surrounding him.
For a moment, Galadriel thought, could this men not what he seems to be? Could she be wrong about him ?
But than, she see, the tear in his eyes.
He just too shock, like iam, she reached out and hugs him
ok poojeet
If Meotor Man and Halbrand are both Sauron, it might explain his autism about putting his power into the ring. He just wants to get back to that feeling of being separate from his power.
Meteor Man = Powers
Halbrand = Powerless
I hope they gives us some clues on what the constellation metoer man made.
But what if it's melkor?
Morgoth poured all his power into Arda. Arda is proto-Earth. Coal and Oil were made by Morgoth so that humans would use them to destroy Earth through global warming.
Bravo Tolkien.