Why did this anger the chuds so much?
She was the best actress for the job, and Neil Gaiman approves
Why did this anger the chuds so much? She was the best actress for the job, and Neil Gaiman approves
Why did this anger the chuds so much?
She was the best actress for the job, and Neil Gaiman approves
No she wasn't
Don't care what Gaiman says.
Facts don't care about your feelings, chud.
Here's a fact:
it's getting dropped after one season.
If it doesn't get another season, then it doesn't get another season. I was already entertained by what I got.
lol no you werent, nobody was. its why it flopped
>e-e-everyone that says they liked it is l-l-lying!
Cope and seethe.
Everyone who "liked" it was like 2 people who will watch anything with "MUH DIVERSITY"
Sure bruh
>if
it's a N etflix show
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>Neil Gaiman approves
Damn, did I miss when we went back to the 90s? No? Then Gaiman's input doesn't really matter anymore. People change, and the man who wrote the og comics is not the man who worked on this show anymore.
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Will I be molested by 16 autistic clowns?
probably, but that's unrelated to the curse.
oh no
I'm white and I'm all for the casting of good actors
you know, there is no problem in being inclusive, the problem comes when they change stuff that has been there already, sometimes for decades (comics are a very good example), if you want to be more inclusive you can, all you want, but create your own world, stories and characters and in general, you know, leave other stuff the frick alone
His story
Not yours
Frick off
he's getting paid to say that, and you know it
So why are you speaking for free? Are your words worthless?
Hello Neil
>His story
>implying
Neil doesn't own Sandman.
is she hot? yes
would it have been fine? yeah
but then they raceswapped/genderswapped like 3 other characters. it's a facade to detract from real criticism
funny thing is, i think it was neil gaiman who said that once a story is out there, it isn't yours any more. correct me if i'm wrong
>His story
>Not Her Story
Get the frick out you misogynistic piece of shit
Gaiman allows his characters to be changed for money and brownie points and you all eat that shit up.
You people sure are easy to please.
>Just make your own stuff!
>But we will just keep adapting white men stories though, because "urban" doesn't sell. But anyway, good luck making any money at your writing job when nobody wants to buy the adaptation rights
>life is unfair
>nobody wants to buy the adaptation rights
Not my problem if you are a talentless piece of shit unable to create good characters and stories on your own and just want the LGDQBWETUTRWEFHJOEW audience
>creator: I approve of what they are doing
>HOW COULD YOU THIS IS A BETRAYAL ILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU
I like how you neglected to mention Neil doesn't own Sandman and doesn't have a say in all this, but can earn some goodwill, and probably also a "consultant :^)" paycheck by pretending to endorse it.
>nobody wants to buy
Not just you pal, millions regardless of color died without 1 story getting published too.
You're seeing the survivors.
Jordan Peele does it and he's one of the few auteurs who has a mainstream audience.
Original black screenplays are fairly hard sell though. Peele for the time being is only able to write and produce his films because they’ve done well at the box office so far, which has given him the freedom to keep doing what he wants. Once he gets couple of underperformers under his belt, that freedom is going to disappear unless he self finances (dumb) or he finds alternative independent funding.
I was largely talking in adaptation context, it’s way harder to get optioned if you’re considered “ethnic” or “urban” which means non-white, because studios traditionally just do token black movies, etc. because they think there isn’t money in them.
Except this is literally what happened here. Also he's a israelite, so 'he doesn't count as white', apparently.
But on the other hand Neil approved it, he's okay with it, and if he wasn't then it's not his fault he was forced into it. They should've given her pale white makeup but whatever, it's a minor difference and if she does a good job, and the show is good, that;s what matters.
I bet neither of you Yanks have even watched it yet.
Eric July just proved everything you just said is cap.
thats not the problem.
you tell people to create their own thing, in a time where 80% of media is just reconstructed, readapted or reboot or just reusing general trends and themes. people support familiar and you better be a massive name with already successful products if you want to even have a chance of your completely original idea getting big.
so make something completely original, no one is going to follow it unless you force a gimmick out of supporting it which most turn to "black created, african american made, etc" which doesnt present the product as quality on merit alone, just from who is making it.
ill watch 20 more netflix sandman shows than a single new marvel tv show.
how was that for explaining if its good?
it got a little rough at the end but i thought the show was really decent.
pacing is an issue though especially at the end.
>Make your own stuff
>But if you decide to do something I don't agree with, your IP is no longer yours to decide.
ok moron
good thing Gaiman created the world and is in charge of the adaptation too
It’s clearly not a good thing based on the choices he made
So? still his IP and his call to make.
Don’t care, still sucks
You clearly do, considering how long have you been seething about this crap.
You misunderstood my four word post. Reread my post and what it’s replying too until you can understand it.
Porque en el cómic original era blanca o pálida por eso, es un cambio de raza para "agradar" a otros grupos sociales que no leen cómics.
Death should be anglosaxon same goes for music meister in harley quinn series or hawkman in the rock film
By the way, most of Cinemaphile isn't white=anglo
does this count as trolling outside of /b/?
Either that, or Advertising/begging.
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One of those two is insanely hot. The other looks like a plain soccer mom.
So was it any good?
Yes. Cinemaphile just hates it because of racism.
mid
Not terrible but the asiatic romcon is unironically more entertaining, watch if you have nothing else.
Yep
Really good
Desire is delightfully evil, Fiddler's Green is awesome...
Just realize, this is not the faithful word for word adaptation. That is on Audible.
It's one of the most accurate comic adaptations ever, outside of the casting decisions.
>Outside of the massive and impossible-to-ignore inaccuracies, it's accurate
Uh huh.
>scenes are taken shot for shot and word for word from the comic
>but sometimes there's black people
So you repeated the same damn bad defenses without responding to your critics. Typical shill
Being able to just accept by itself extreme demographic inaccuracies in depictions of History is a form of brain damage I do not want. How history is depicted is extremely important and I think about how I will depict history a lot in my own work.
I told you before, I don't read your posts.
Then you're making the comic and cartoon Industries look like dogshit by performing such a pitiful defense of their work while I explain a higher standard. Keep doing so
dr
So many millions of dollars wasted on the TV show and you are the best defender. Openly admitting that you are terrified of my criticism. I have a longstanding Theory that shills are afraid that my posts will make them too intelligent about artwork to be employed in the industry anymore, your coworkers will be able to tell you are too educated. Stay gagged bro
As for your other defenses
People who are already tired of crap like this show most likely won't watch it at all.
People pretend to be fans of stuff to social signal all the time.
What fans care most about is faithfulness to the spirit of the work, but that is probably too Christian for you.
>bitter old c**t
A common groomer tactic to make critics look old to Zoomers.
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>What fans care most about is faithfulness to the spirit of the work, but that is probably too Christian for you.
what was unfaithful about the Hob segment? what are you even replying to? If anything the Hob part is even better than the comics because they put in a 30 year timeskip and Hob was left wondering if Morpheus didn't care for him for 30 years
Good as in good, yes. Nothing special
Because there is no logic behind racism.
Most racists are made because it's the majority of their living situation.
>Because there is no logic behind racism
It's called "pattern recognition"
Spewing libtard retoric Mode
ACTIVATED.
Gaiman doesn’t “approve”. Netflix already made the decision that they were going to blackwash Death before casting even started. Her being the “best” is irrelevant because someone with similar acting ability and who at least looked the part would’ve gone down better for everyone.
The problem was Gaiman had to engage people on twitter rather than just doing a GRRM and keeping his mouth shut when one of his characters was blackwashed.
>The problem was Gaiman had to engage people on twitter rather than just doing a GRRM and keeping his mouth shut when one of his characters was blackwashed.
So he hurt fanboy feelings when they were sperging and Gaiman was not going to entertain it.
>chud
Opinion immediately discarded, have a nice day.
No, make me.
[African American]
Because people fricking mistake race bait bullshit as the issue as opposed too atrocius visual design.
>atrocius visual design.
Like?
She don't even got that horus eye mark.
So just like in the comics?
She doesn't have that til later.
>ginger erasure
>now goth waifu erasure
These libshits went too far!
>and Neil Gaiman approves
Not a first author to sell out.
>one of the most visually iconic characters in the series
>gets the curly-haired Verizon nigress treatment
fricking lmao
>frick noone's biting in my other bait thread
>better make a new one
how many characters did they race swap in sandman and how many did they make anything other than black?
christ, get a korean actress for death since kpop, squid games and parasite were popular. that's still inclusive and she'd look more like the character
>korean actress
haha wouldn't it be funny if they had gotten a-yeon haha that would be so weird
I swear I watch this for the drumming.
Sorry chud, Koreans are too priviliged, they don't count as POC.
excuse you, it's bipoc now because we decided asians and hispanics don't count. we're watching the indians closely, they're doing a little too well on their reservations and might not be oppressed enough for our liking.
The show does also have asian and indian actors.
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Go back to bed, Jim.
You have to go back to drawing women with haunted veganas tomorrow.
They didn't even put in the effort to make her Goth.
When it gets cancelled for lack of ratings, what you mentally ill troons will blame?
>didn't even bother doing the eye makeup
She sucks, and is ugly as frick.
At the end of the day a bunch of executives sat down on their desks and choose her over other talented bawds just because she had the natural talent of melanine.
KWAB
Go back and take your moronic memeforcing attempt with you.
Ya seethe?
what are the odds of so many of the 'best actors' in a european country being black? what percentage of britain's population is black?
and if skin colour simply doesn't matter, why did rose's mother and brother and great grandmother and great great grandmother and great great grandfather all have to be black? or was it suddenly very important to maintain the credibility of a black girl's entire family also being black?
this is all to say nothing of the fact that they were all terrible at acting, including the white actors. if these were the best actors they could find, they needed to look harder. or hire actors based on something other than how well they suck the producers' penises.
UK is only like 3% black even today.
The way the show portrays Britain, you'd think it was almost half black in the early 1900s.
Hell, the indian/paki population is twice that of the black population in the country, yet the only jeet I remember seeing is the guy who plays Cain.
BBC would like you to think there's a harmonious equal population of caucasian, black, indian and arab for some reason.
>For some reason
Because it was literally the blairite plan, his chief of staff has gone on record they literally opened the floodgates for immigration to turn britain into a "Truly multicultural" country. Which is ironic because tolerance has dropped dramatically and each race is more distant than ever to the point I think one more manchester bombing tier terror attack will probably start race riots.
Well they didn't help themselves when they let that ring of Islamic child rapists go on a spree cause they thought it would be racial profiling.
Again, labour policies, and the Tories are so afraid of actually being right wing, when the right wing in the UK is Egalitarianism and utilitarianism that anyone not a racist grifter would appeal to, shows how fricked british Politics are.
Eventually something is either going to snap, either bloodshed or the country devolves into anarchy.
>She was the best actress for the job, and Neil Gaiman approves
Because he was told he was racist for having so many white people in this story and this is him saving face.
>herp derp why does this anger racist pieces of shit so much?
SUCH A MYSTERY.
I wanted the right one, they gave me left one. Obviously I'm disappointed. It's not that complicated.
Serious question, why do all adaptation of Gayman's work turn out to be mediocre shit?
American Gods was 'nothing happens: the show', 3 seasons of build up to nothing before getting canned
Good Omens was completely forgettable
Sandman, it goes without saying, hell even a fan-film did a better job of adapting the 24-hour diner sequence for instance.
Serious question, why do you have shit taste? Go cleanse yourself before you say anything again, mongrel.
Because Gayman is a mediocre writer hyped up by his publishers. He's popular because we are constantly TOLD he is great, nobody actually reads his shit to realize the truth.
People like Gaiman because he is a good writer.
Frick off
>She was the best actress for the job
Was she though?
If you just want good acting, and we aren't going to care about appearance anyway, why not get a Shakespearian actor to do it instead?
Like just get James Earl Jones.
So what makes her a good death then?
Her being the best actress for the job. That's what, sweetie.
So what made her the best actor for the job? Her performance isn't that great.
I speak as someone who thinks Hannah John-Kamen would have made a perfect death
Because she is, bigot. Stop questioning minorities playing the roles of historically white characters. Next you're gonna complain about that tan skin girl playing Snow White. JUST BECAUSE HER NAME IS SNOW WHITE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S HER SKIN COLOUR!! Ugh there's no clap emojis here.
Either you're shitposting or you don't quite know who Hannah John-Kamen is do you?
She fills the quota. No, not the death count.
oh, look, another low effort troll thread
you know whot to do with it
Cinemaphile used to be the best place to discuss something. Now everywhere on the internet is talking about how good the show is and Cinemaphile is talking about if Gaiman is being paid because they cant imagine a world where people dont care about this stuff as much as they do
Seriously, it's like anything that isn't 100% straight white men just gets raided constantly. As though a total sausage fest isn't gay.
Yeah it’s not
Kinda is tho, hunty.
Because if you don't see the comic version of the character next to her, it's just some chick with an ankh necklace. Where's her eye makeup? Why didn't they give her frizzy more natural hair instead of curls? Black women have hair than can look like that. At least with Domino they still gave her her signature looks, and even with the hair being different, you can still look at her and think "oh, that looks like Domino" But Death is just some girl, nothing links her to the Sandman whatsoever.
That's what mostly bothers me about the show, the characters should be unnatural and weird looking to emphasize their otherworldliness and they do fricking nothing to show that. I could forgive Dream acting like a block of wood if he looked like a creepy ghost man instead of a generic male model.
>Domino they still gave her her signature looks
Except for how she dressed. And her hair. And how she acted. She's basically a chick with a spot on her eye.
There is something demented in this. Casting producers don't think they can sell black actors in black roles, so they give black actors hand me down white roles. Who the frick looks at a CHALK WHITE character and thinks, "Gee. This chalk white character would be great for a black actor to play!" Are they purposefully being contrarian buttholes? Why don't they support black characters from black writers? Do they not think black characters are going to sell like white ones will, so they just use white characters for token black roles for diversity points? That's fricked up.
death was not created by gaiman though
Was Spider-man only created by Steve Ditko?
Hell, gaiman was probably more involved in creating Death than Stan Lee was Spider-man.
Still. Dringenberg was the artist and co-creator. Comics are a VISUAL medium like film. Ignoring visual elements in adapting to another visual medium is idiotic.
Not only do I think Death isn't pale enough, Sandman isn't. They should have done the whole thing as a fricking animated series anyway.
I actually have some framed Dringenberg art in my room above my bed. Plus the wallscroll of the Endless that was the poster in Darlene's room on Roseanne. Her look was a gothic icon for years. Of course similarity to Siouxie Sioux didn't hurt.
Ah. I forgot the first appearance didn't have it. Still. The later issues all feature it and it is the iconic look of the character. That would be like arguing that Batman should only have purple gloves.
>Not deathly pale
>Hair looks meticulously styled and not wild
>No black lipstick
>She might get the eye later on but I'm willing to bet fricking money it will only be in her final scene of the show.
To be frank though, the Lucifer casting is even worse than this. We'll have to see how this show goes over, I wonder how Neil would react or take it if people wind up despising it, or Death becomes a notable weak link of the cast.
>the Lucifer casting is even worse than this.
I know, right? Behold the most beautiful of all angels lmao
From David Bowie to moon-faced middle aged woman
Lucifer was the weakest point of the show.
I loved the show, and I loved Hell, but the Lucifer casting was shit.
Should've been Tilda Swinton.
I dislike the casting of Death, but I hate more what they did to Lucien.
If she’s so great than her acting should speak for itself and you can chill out man if it’s just Chuds dissing her nothing to fear.
Chud here. I didn't even watch this, and I never will. Not like I have a Netflix account anyway.
The actress is an uggo, but the character is a cute. End of discussion.
Netflix is racist, by the way. We can smell our own.
I feel like OP is trolling, but I actually did like her, and Death is my favorite character.
I don't know I didn't like the casting at first, but I watched the episode and she did a good job. Same with Lucifer. People are pissed it wasn't a train wreck they could hide their racism behind.
Death's episode was the best, not only because its an adaptation of The Sound of her Wings with some welcome embellishments and that the actress did a good job, BUT also because (and mainly because)
HOB MOTHERFRICKING GADLING
The Hob part was goddamn perfection. Best comic adaptation ever.
No, it was fricking awful. No creativity in the people behind the show whatsoever.
>adaptation is different
>CORRUPTING THE ORIGINAL VISION
>adaptation is the same
>NO CREATIVITY
Have you ever considered the possibility that you might just be a bitter old c**t?
can you imagine it ? a board for chuds ?.. and then we get a king chud ? Lmao lol
Gaiman? More like Gayman because he's a homosexual
She says her lines like she's just read them for the first time.
No, she's not a good actress nor a good Death.
OP, you are confusing racist chud with overly picky, autist fan. Yes, there is some overlap, but it's not all racists. Just sayin'.
Also to the (hopefully small) number of chuds here (because I'm not an Atlantic reading kneejerk woketard) if you call this fine woman a Black person then it shows that you're the real Black person. After all, is it not the case that racism is a crime, and crime is indeed, for Black folk?
Stop being racist, you Black folk.
I didn't want to laugh at this post, but I did.
My problem is that she is too nice when she is supposed to be death. Haven't read many endless' manga to be honest so I don't know if she is naive or trying to be her own character.
That's how Death is in the comics. That's why people love her.
>Why did this anger the chuds so much?
take a wild guess
If so, then beneath that psychological layer for his current social climate he doesn't approve. Obviously he wouldn't think lightly of changing Death for a bad TV show
Neil Gaiman said when he first saw the actress audition for the role, it moved him... TO A BIGGER HOUSE.
They wasted Jenna Coleman on Constantine, when she should have played Death.
Way too old.
Literally one year older than what we got. I don't think it would have been a problem.
>best actress for the job
>diversity hire who refuses to change her nappy hair for the role or even put on a black wig
>Hollywood is full of talented white actresses jumping to get the role
Zoomers are dumb.
>couldn't even invent a strawman without admitting you're just a racist
Not as dumb as you.
Point out literally one racist thing in that comment.
It's just moden tokenism. Instead of actually write good black characters they always pick some random character and make them black as some sort of statement when anyone with half a brain would know how incredible condescending this sort of behavior is. Like every black person in existence needs hand me overs to feel validated.
I mean, I get why women feel like that, females have a higher tendency to feel inferior and need constant social validation, but this for a entire race is just kinda fricked up, I have no idea what the frick is wrong with whites in america that they need to pull this sort of thing out their asses every 5 years or so with some new bullshit. If is not atheism it's abortion, if is not abortion is feminism, if is not feminism is racism. I mean, jesus christ, is like a really long and boring southpark episode.
For me it was because I have a fetish for women with unnaturally white skin and dark black hair
>She was the best actress for the job
Blatantly not.
>and Neil Gaiman approves
Of course he fricking approves, HE'S PAID TO. HE HAS LITERALLY WRITTEN A CONTRACT WHERE HE CAN'T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THE SHOW. Neil Gaiman is the very last person in the world whose opinions matter for this shit because we know for a fact that he has a financial interest to lie his ass off.
Frankly this show's existence poisons the comic for me. I read it when I was a kid and loved it, but seeing that this adaptation exists, I think I must have been mistaken and the comic is one of the worst comics ever made.
anyone have the pale edit of the black version?
It's always the best actress for the job when there's a raceswap, it seems
>character is popular because she's a cute goth girl and basically served as an inspiration for goth girls throughout the 90s and 2000s
>not just race swapped but like usual they get someone ugly to play her who doesn't look even remotely goth
Her character design was the best part. The character in the live action series looks nothing like a cute pale goth girl.
Seven of those are hot. I'll let you guess which.
Lucy seven times? Neat.
She should have been in white-face.
Unironically, it would look good.
Paint her pitch white you cowards.