Napoleon, Murat, France somehow installing a Habsburg in Mexico. They're an awe inspiring country, like the rest of NATO (Hungary needs to get out from under Orban though). They have a special relationship with America, the only country other than Britain/Canada and maybe Australia these days. They're a key ally and have been reasonable in playing devil's advocate.
Fring was literally trying to kill and replace Walter. He tried many times.
Even though Walt tricked Jesse by pretending Fring faked the poison of the kid, it’s something which Fring would have done himself anyway.
Fring was too much of a danger to Walt and the only way out was to kill him
He did, but Gus is also supposed to be a cold, calculating businessman, understanding the circumstances of Walt's disobedience and drawing on his own past experience to empathize with it, and realize it would've been much more sensible to just let it slide. Instead, he acts like a stubborn, spiteful, shithead (just like Walt) which ultimately leads to his entire operation imploding as a result.
Just as an aside - why does Gus care so much about or even have a direct relationship with these street level dealers? There should be like 2-3 degrees of separation between these thugs and him. It makes 0 fricking sense.
Gus warned him of inviting a junkie into this business. Walt didn't listen and Jesse acted like a moron... again. Sure, Gus could forget, but how long before Jesse fricks up something again? And since Walt would never cook without poor little Jesse, Gus had to get rid of Walt instead.
Just as an aside - why does Gus care so much about or even have a direct relationship with these street level dealers? There should be like 2-3 degrees of separation between these thugs and him. It makes 0 fricking sense.
because the show prioritizes drama over realism. It's the same reason why Gus whole organizations seems to be made up of his two bodyguards and Walt as a cook.
>Mike doesn’t tell anyone for weeks that he’s being tailed and detained by the DEA >Gus keeps trying to replace/murder Walt out of greed >this is somehow Walt’s fault
Walt was responsible for a lot of bad shit but Gus and Mike had it coming
It all started when Walter killed two of Gus's guys in order to save Jesse. It all goes back to that moron Jesse. Walter should have just cooked with Gale.
Gale was always going to replace Walt. The 3 million for 3 months deal would never be extended. I believe the intention was always to replace Walt once the formula had been secured. Walt was a c**t but taking out Gale was the right move. Taking out Gus was inevitable after dispatching Gale, no way he would let that one go.
There's no reason to assume Gus would have had Walter killed if he did his job without raising a fuss. He almost certainly would have held up his end of the bargain.
Not killed, but he always would have been replaced and had his formula taken from him and used. His pride wouldn't allow a single fly in the lab, you think he would just allow other people to cook his recipe? Only his surrogate, non-cripple son gets to do that.
why was his son so fricking annoying aside from the handicap
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B-b-because h-he was g-g-g-going through a b-b-bitchy t-teen phase b-but couldn't even b-b-b***h properly because he didn't g-get enough oxygen at b-birth.
Good point. I thought Gus firing Gale, a sound man and who he has had a relationship going back years, for Walt's extra 4% purity, something Gale had to talk him into, didn't make sense. It would make sense if it was temporary.
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It all started when Walter killed two of Gus's guys in order to save Jesse. It all goes back to that moron Jesse. Walter should have just cooked with Gale.
There was never any implication that Gus was going to replace Walt until the end of season 3. You autists are injecting motives and plot from the end of the season into the start where it doesn't exist.
So why gus had those 2 guys, all of bb and bcs show gus like a mastermind type of guy who sorround himself with the best people available? So why using 2 guys who put childs in danger, even if gus doesnt care about child seems weird of him leting 2 randoms dudes do that
Having an elusive and mysterious cartel kingpin directly interacting with and caring about low level dealers was the dumbest shit. There should have been at least 3 degrees of separation between them and the boss. Utterly stupid that Gus would risk his relationship with his top chemist over child killing street trash
>Mike doesn’t tell anyone for weeks that he’s being tailed and detained by the DEA >Gus keeps trying to replace/murder Walt out of greed >this is somehow Walt’s fault
Walt was responsible for a lot of bad shit but Gus and Mike had it coming
Then kidnap Walt and make him a meth slave like the neo nazis did to Jessie.
Or tell Walt he’s going to teach Gale to cook and leaving New Mexico forever in exchange for you not murdering him.
Also if the only way Gus could recoup his investment was to make 99% pure meth when he built the super lab he’s a fricking moron because he had no idea anyone could cook meth that pure when he built it.
>Walt is being c**t >oh I know, let's replace him with Jesse who's even more of a c**t
Fring's action is uncharacteristically devoid of logic in season 4. Walt starts the whole mess because Jesse fricks up. Fring responds by making Jesse into the new main cook and punishing Walt instead. Gus deserves whatever comes his way for endangering those around him with lethal stupidity.
Jesse is more of a c**t but he is also willing to listen to someone telling him to murder someone. Also Walt's cancer was a thing to keep in mind. Really Gus should have just got over the fact that he got outplayed by Walter when he had Jesse kill Gale but a flashback shows us it was Gale who talked Gus into working with Walter anyway and with Gale killed and Gus now being looked at by Hank (who would have given up if Walt wasn't a dumb ass as well) Gus was sort of losing control over the empire he was making.
homie Jesse literally steals from Gus and tries to kill his employees. Walt also does the same thing, but he only does it either to save Jesse or save himself.
Walt didn't steal from Gus, he was perfectly happy to only be making pennies off his formula (sure it was millions but it was still less than 10%).
Jesse was always the hard one until Walt killed to save him. Which showed Gus Walt was like Jesse in that he let his emotions rule him.
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I meant to say Walt also did the latter thing. He didn't steal from Gus.
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>Jesse was always the hard one until Walt killed to save him. Which showed Gus Walt was like Jesse in that he let his emotions rule him. >okay, this guy is emotional >let's reward the guy who is even more emotional and less reliable than he is
Walt was happy to cook and do whatever Gus told him. Jesse was not. It made zero sense for Gus to be as cordial with Jesse as he does in season 4. Almost everything bad about Walt is ten times worse in Jesse.
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>Almost everything bad about Walt is ten times worse in Jesse.
They aren't really comparable, they're bad in their own ways.
Gus saw that even though Jesse was a frickup he had loyalty and was easily manipulated.
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Jesse is one dead kid away from turning snitch. Walt will kill said kid for Gus if asked. They are not comparable, but Jesse is a much bigger liability for Gus' than Walt.
Jesse is a moron but he's also a little b***h that would keep his head down and perform as Gus demanded. Walt was super delusional and thought he could just be in charge of a Meth empire without knowing the first thing about criminal enterprise.
>Walt was super delusional and thought he could just be in charge of a Meth empire without knowing the first thing about criminal enterprise.
Uhh he managed to successfully run one though
Tbh Walt was still more or less just a cook, Lydia and Declan were in charge of logistics and supplies which is where the real difficulty in running a successful drug empire comes from
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Yeah but he did a heckin' cool intimidation of that guy that looked like Wolverine, that got the ball rolling
>NOOOO WALTUH YOU CANT JUST KILL GUS YOU HAVE TO LIVE YOUR WHOLE LIFE UNDER THE THUMB OF A GUY WHO WOULD KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WITHOUT A SECOND THOUGHT AND WANTED TO KILL YOUR PARTNER
In all seriousness im not sure what walts problem with him was, he was just a more competent jesse. All he had to do was make it known that he was running things and they'd be able to split the work
Walt didn't want an equal, he wanted someone lower than him to teach and order around. Someone to feel superior to. Like Jesse.
Ever notice that the moment he turns on Gale is the moment Gale displays competency by doing things Walt was going to do, before he could do them? He feigned admiration then immediately starting seething.
TENIAMOS ALGO BUENO SU ESTÚPIDO HIJO DE LA CHINGADA
Teniamos un laboratorio, teniamos Fring, teniamos todo lo que necesitarmos y todo funcionava bien
Podería calarte, hacer tu trabajo y ganar toda la plata que querías. Era perfecto. PERO NO
Usted tenia que ser el hombre. Se hecho tu trabajo, no olvidarte tu lugar, todo estaría bien ahora
In the first season or two Hank tried to project his alphaness around Walt becasue he thought walt was beta. Turns out Hank is actually weak mind becasue he couldn't handle that shit in Mexico.
Also ffs Hank your brother law has cancer, he's a chemistry teacher, shit goes misisng from his lab and you don't suspect him till you read a book on the toilet kek dumbass mantlet
Walt talks down to Tuco before his character development. Hank can't even handle a dude's head on a turtle. Walt has always been a real man. He just needs a reason to stop giving a shit.
No he was the equal to Walter but in a way worse. Walt did what he did for himself and his ego Hanks actions were based on pride and duty. But what makes him worse is his justification was a duty for justice but he was willing to let the lives of all those he cared about get destroyed because of his sense of justice. Hank is the worst kind of do gooder there is a Zealot he was unwilling to accept that it might be better to let sleeping dogs lie because he needed a resolution and was willing to destroy the lives of countless people around him simply to satisfy his over inflated sense of pride. At least Walts justification were from a place of delusion.
> You ruined a good thing! > By killing the two drug dealers who would have ventilated Jesse, who I now care for. > But yeah anyway it's all because you're a selfish egotistical prick
Mike is a hypocrite - but this is what makes his character so compelling. But I don't really think the writers even meant to portray him as such here.
>>By killing the two drug dealers who would have ventilated Jesse, who I now care for.
The problem was that Walt showed poor judgement and impulsivity. Gus can’t have his men killing each other. What use to him is Walt if he loses his entire distribution network for meth? He needs those street level men to stay in line and they won’t stay in line if they think they are going to be capriciously killed by some homosexual in an Aztec with no ability to retaliate.
>The problem was that Walt showed poor judgement and impulsivity.
Yes - by saving Jesse's ass who was a massive liability. That's what makes the criticism wildly off mark, Walt was acting purely selflessly, his ego and pride had nothing to do with it. It may have been present, but it wasn't the principle reason for his actions, or why things spiraled out of control.
>Walt was acting purely selflessly, his ego and pride had nothing to do with it
No, Walt's ego and pride needed Jesse because he needed someone who could never eclipse him.
The only reason Walt was the best at what he did was because he was a big fish in a small pond.
There are dozens or maybe hundreds of chemists across the country who could do what Walt did, they just don't make meth because that's a dumb way to make money. That's why he got rid of Gale, because Gale showed signs of being able to surpass or equal Walt.
He literally sold him to neo nazis as a drug slave.
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he should have cut ties way before that
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> He literally sold him to neo nazis as a drug slave.
He wanted to have him killed after Jesse showed proportional malice - and even then hesitated to do so until Skylar talked him into it.
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he wanted him killed and only gave him to Jack after Jesse tried to turn him to Hank and was partially(directly in Walt's eyes) responsible for getting Hank killed, if Jesse wasn't off the rails in 5B there wouldn't be any issues and Jesse would've made it to Alaska much sooner and unscathed.
It was weird to see that Gus who is overtly careful in maintaining his clean public persona and only interacting through middlemen meets personally with some street thugs in his desert trailer center of operations. You'd guess that leaves the door wide open for people blowing his cover.
he was going down, mike was skipping town and mikes men were gonna snitch. walt did the only sensible thing, mike was being an emotional homosexual because he couldnt give the go ahead to kill his solid guys
Its just shitty writing. The same thing happens with the huge unexplained and non developed change in skylars attitude between seasons 4 and 5 or whatever. where she, without explanation, changes her mind from thinking walt was cool for making them rich, to thinking he's evil. even though nothing changes, it was all after he had already told her he killed gus.
the original writers frick off to do better paying work, the B team just fricks around and does their own thing, then the A team returns for the final season and they've been too busy spending the money and fame to have bothered paying attention to the show
>where she, without explanation, changes her mind from thinking walt was cool for making them rich, to thinking he's evil.
This never happened she treated it like a burden from the jump. She definitely got more extreme but she was a pouty b***h the second she found out the money never came from G&E.
I haven't rewatched it but i'm 50% sure one of the later seasons concluded with her accepting a role as his helper and enjoying the wealth and criminal power. Then a new season starts and she has a totally different attitude than what was left off.
>I haven't rewatched it
I can tell. That's why I responded in the first place, because I got bored and recently blew through it again in like a week. She treats the entire situation as a burden, involving herself only so someone else doesn't frick it up and end up destroying the family by association. She is even more stressed when she realizes the extent of Walt's wealth and the sheer amount of money she is responsible for laundering. She is never happy with anything, just accepts the situation eventually and goes completely cold. Is willing to put up a front of happiness with Walt but eventually crumbles (hence the moronic walking into the pool).
Half the reason people hated her character was because she was constantly angry with Walt and ungrateful for the money. But in all honesty as time goes on it's easier to see her side of things. She jumps in as launderer hoping to damage control only to realize the herculean task she's undertaken too late. Still a c**t, though.
> Its just shitty writing. The same thing happens with the huge unexplained and non developed change in skylars attitude between seasons 4 and 5 or whatever. where she, without explanation, changes her mind from thinking walt was cool for making them rich, to thinking he's evil. even though nothing changes, it was all after he had already told her he killed gus.
Skylar's reaction isn't bad writing it's just femoid mentality.
Before she didn't see Walt as actually capable of violence, she took him as seriously as she did the last 15 years or so of marriage which is not at all.
Once he gave her irrefutable proof that he was in fact The Danger she goes into meltdown victimization mode. Even though he was righteous and justified.
I haven't rewatched it but i'm 50% sure one of the later seasons concluded with her accepting a role as his helper and enjoying the wealth and criminal power. Then a new season starts and she has a totally different attitude than what was left off.
Speed watching morons holy shit it's not even hard to follow. In season 4 Skylar had come to someone accept Walt's criminal lifestyle and agreed to help him launder the money. Throughout the season Walt was selling Skylar on the lie that cooking meth was like a regular 9 to 5, but by the end of the season she realizes that what Walt is into some deepshit and blew up a nursing home and killed people as well as putting his family in danger. I don't even know why I'm explaining this shit to you when can just watch the crawlspace scene and see Skylars turn yourselves. Bunch of dumbasses.
Skylar warmed up to it(like she should have) and got a taste for the life until it almost killed Ted, then she went back to apathetic whining that peaked when she walked into the pool.
Skyler was worried it would put their family in danger and she was right. Her anger was validated. It's not like Walt's actions were even necessary either because they always could've taken Elliot's money if Walt swallowed his pride.
shes scared of him in s5 once she realizes hes the one who killed gus. she thinks of walt as a killer and fears for the kids but her spacey despondent state was a dumb decision
Her despondent attitude came from her feeling like she was powerless in her situation, which she was. Literally no good options for her but to sit and wait for something to happen, then adapt after the fact.
>we had a good thing, you stupid some of a b***h! We had child-murdering fring! We had a lab where fring randomly brutally murdered one of his most loyal employees for no reason! We had fring threatening to kill your infant daughter, and all it ran like CLOCKWORK! but you, you and your pride and your ego, you just had to blow it up! If you'd done your job, known your place, fring would have killed you and replaced you with Gale and I'd be FINE right now!
It was the key difference between him and gus. Where gus was mostly unemotional and did whatever was necessary to ensure his businesses security and prosperity. Walter couldn't, he allowed emotion to affect his actions.
false, gus emotions are what got him killed. walt and gus were exactly alike except that gus was a gay and walter cared deeply for his family (but not as much as being the man)
>that were using kids.
kids are widely used in drug dealing. Gus shouldn't give two shits about that, nor should he even know his dealers.
It's a stupid plot device. Walt understands this and doesn't care. Jesse also knows this and wouldn't normally care if it wasn't for being so close to the kid, his sister and his victim Combo.
>Jesse was already shown to have a soft spot for kids
So what? He's been a druggie burnout for a while, he's seen plenty of kids working in the drug business.
Making a beef of it was stupid.
>evidently not?
Jesse explicitly tells Walter about the usefulness of using kids in drug dealing. He also says "you know he's not the first".
It's fair to assume he has seen kids working in the business, and that he speaks at least partially from experience here.
Honestly those drug dealers killing the kid was the dumbest move in the entire show from someone. Like Gus' whole thing is people being careful how is that being careful?
>Honestly those drug dealers killing the kid was the dumbest move in the entire show
Agreed. The whole thing is ridiculous. Gus should not be so close to those people in the first place. And the child should not be in a position to know anything about anyone important, so he could just be let go or redeployed for some other purpose. Killing him is stupid in every way.
Honestly those drug dealers killing the kid was the dumbest move in the entire show from someone. Like Gus' whole thing is people being careful how is that being careful?
>Gus' whole thing is being careful and keeping his identity a secret >and yet he organises a face to face meeting between some street level drug dealers and himself to solve this problem
Why would he though. Use of Kids is normal. End of the day it's a brutal criminal business. It isn't nice. Anyone who goes into the game and is surprised by this stuff is naive and stupid
Gus should've trusted his instinct and turn Walt down. Also Walt was right to kill the dealers who killed the kid. Either they disobeyed Gus or Gus authorized it and had it coming.
Walt suddenly becoming a wanted fugitive feels like a plot hole to me tbh. Hank has no dirt on Walt, which is why he has to lure him to the dirty money to use that as proof. With Hank and Gomie dead and no one left to testify that the money belongs to Walt, the DEA has nothing on him. The cop should just be investigating Walt for domestic abuse instead of magically come to the conclusion that he's Heisenberg based on hearsay.
Hank probably kept some notes, he told Marie too. Saul was known to represent Walt and judges probably were fed up with him.
They could probably have weathered the investigation but DEA is pretty vindicative about dead agents too. They chose to not take chances and this proven themselves to be guilty.
What I don't understand, is why did Saul end up wanted as well once Walt was outed?
He decides to dip and makes use of the vacuum man because there are plenty of people that could be tapped as witnesses to sink him. However after the time skip where Walt comes back to finish things I don't think there is a single person left alive or available that could testify and link Saul to the whole Heisenberg affair.
its funny how the only character that really deserved to die is the only one that gets away with everything
really goes to show the (non-existant) morality of vince
>breaking bad >characters literally turn to the camera and unironically monologue their thoughts and motivations outright, knowing that the audience is too stupid to understand a grain of subtext >their dumbfrick fans still argue about it
Has anyone here ever considered that killing two drug dealers who murdered a child among other things and helping your only comrade in need is not such a bad thing per se? People say what Walt did was stupid she should've just kept working for Fring, yet somehow he is bad guy because he thought for a few seconds it would be a good thing for a trouble making junkie prostitute to die or killed a grandpa who murdered dozens of people with his own hands.
Frick everything up?
WOW
That's some logic right there anon, why don't you walk me through this?
He ruined a good thing
Napoleon, Murat, France somehow installing a Habsburg in Mexico. They're an awe inspiring country, like the rest of NATO (Hungary needs to get out from under Orban though). They have a special relationship with America, the only country other than Britain/Canada and maybe Australia these days. They're a key ally and have been reasonable in playing devil's advocate.
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he killed the guy who threatened to murder his entire family
He ruined a good Fring*
They had Fring. They had a lab. They had everything they needed and it all ran like clockwork.
they had an organization but it wasn't good because walt wasn't in charge
It's the fly man, Lalo reincarnated as that fly to cause a butterfly effect that led to Gus's demise.
So you’re saying he could have shut his mouth, done his job and made as much money as he ever needed?
Why did he screw it all up?
You think he didn't?
Ok so if he didn't then he must've ended up a millionaire crime lord yes?
Oh wait he didn't. He ended up dead barely managed to ensure his families financial security.
by that logic everyone in the show fricked up.
moron
Fring was literally trying to kill and replace Walter. He tried many times.
Even though Walt tricked Jesse by pretending Fring faked the poison of the kid, it’s something which Fring would have done himself anyway.
Fring was too much of a danger to Walt and the only way out was to kill him
If it's logical as you said then why do you need him to "walk you through this"?
The post that filtered so many morons.
Too damn prideful.
Why did Vince have a thing for bald guys?
Fring tried to kill him
he deserved it
He did, but Gus is also supposed to be a cold, calculating businessman, understanding the circumstances of Walt's disobedience and drawing on his own past experience to empathize with it, and realize it would've been much more sensible to just let it slide. Instead, he acts like a stubborn, spiteful, shithead (just like Walt) which ultimately leads to his entire operation imploding as a result.
>stubborn, spiteful, shithead
Examples?
homie Gus' entire motivation is revenge. You watch the show yet?
Just as an aside - why does Gus care so much about or even have a direct relationship with these street level dealers? There should be like 2-3 degrees of separation between these thugs and him. It makes 0 fricking sense.
Because it's a play, dum dum
Gus warned him of inviting a junkie into this business. Walt didn't listen and Jesse acted like a moron... again. Sure, Gus could forget, but how long before Jesse fricks up something again? And since Walt would never cook without poor little Jesse, Gus had to get rid of Walt instead.
because the show prioritizes drama over realism. It's the same reason why Gus whole organizations seems to be made up of his two bodyguards and Walt as a cook.
It all started when Walter killed two of Gus's guys in order to save Jesse. It all goes back to that moron Jesse. Walter should have just cooked with Gale.
Probably but Walt would've had to live with the fear of being replaced
Why? He had terminal cancer, all Gus had to do was wait a few years and he would have died anyways.
Gale was always going to replace Walt. The 3 million for 3 months deal would never be extended. I believe the intention was always to replace Walt once the formula had been secured. Walt was a c**t but taking out Gale was the right move. Taking out Gus was inevitable after dispatching Gale, no way he would let that one go.
There's no reason to assume Gus would have had Walter killed if he did his job without raising a fuss. He almost certainly would have held up his end of the bargain.
Not killed, but he always would have been replaced and had his formula taken from him and used. His pride wouldn't allow a single fly in the lab, you think he would just allow other people to cook his recipe? Only his surrogate, non-cripple son gets to do that.
why was his son so fricking annoying aside from the handicap
B-b-because h-he was g-g-g-going through a b-b-bitchy t-teen phase b-but couldn't even b-b-b***h properly because he didn't g-get enough oxygen at b-birth.
>Gale was always going to replace Walt
except he was willing to get ride of Gale until Walt killed the two dealers.
Good point. I thought Gus firing Gale, a sound man and who he has had a relationship going back years, for Walt's extra 4% purity, something Gale had to talk him into, didn't make sense. It would make sense if it was temporary.
There was never any implication that Gus was going to replace Walt until the end of season 3. You autists are injecting motives and plot from the end of the season into the start where it doesn't exist.
This, except Jesse was gonna keep making meth that was now on the level of Walt and threatened to turn Walt in if he was ever caught again.
Walt started cooking with Jesse again because of that threat. He didn't like getting rid of Gale. Why they couldn't have 3 cooks is beyond me though.
So why gus had those 2 guys, all of bb and bcs show gus like a mastermind type of guy who sorround himself with the best people available? So why using 2 guys who put childs in danger, even if gus doesnt care about child seems weird of him leting 2 randoms dudes do that
Having an elusive and mysterious cartel kingpin directly interacting with and caring about low level dealers was the dumbest shit. There should have been at least 3 degrees of separation between them and the boss. Utterly stupid that Gus would risk his relationship with his top chemist over child killing street trash
>Mike doesn’t tell anyone for weeks that he’s being tailed and detained by the DEA
>Gus keeps trying to replace/murder Walt out of greed
>this is somehow Walt’s fault
Walt was responsible for a lot of bad shit but Gus and Mike had it coming
Mike was annoying as frick and even more so in bcs
Yeah? why?
He just comes off as this bad ass can do everything old dude who isnt believable and a lot of his scenes drag
He was a green beret in 'nam
>Gus keeps trying to replace/murder Walt out of greed
He wanted to replace/murder Walt because Walt acted like a right c**t the entire time.
This. Gus’ mistake was not immediately killing Walt after the killing and taking the hit to his meth business.
he couldn't kill walt without getting killed himself by the loss of revenue
Then kidnap Walt and make him a meth slave like the neo nazis did to Jessie.
Or tell Walt he’s going to teach Gale to cook and leaving New Mexico forever in exchange for you not murdering him.
Also if the only way Gus could recoup his investment was to make 99% pure meth when he built the super lab he’s a fricking moron because he had no idea anyone could cook meth that pure when he built it.
Better Call Saul shows the lab was for Gale at 1st.
>Walt is being c**t
>oh I know, let's replace him with Jesse who's even more of a c**t
Fring's action is uncharacteristically devoid of logic in season 4. Walt starts the whole mess because Jesse fricks up. Fring responds by making Jesse into the new main cook and punishing Walt instead. Gus deserves whatever comes his way for endangering those around him with lethal stupidity.
Jesse is more of a c**t but he is also willing to listen to someone telling him to murder someone. Also Walt's cancer was a thing to keep in mind. Really Gus should have just got over the fact that he got outplayed by Walter when he had Jesse kill Gale but a flashback shows us it was Gale who talked Gus into working with Walter anyway and with Gale killed and Gus now being looked at by Hank (who would have given up if Walt wasn't a dumb ass as well) Gus was sort of losing control over the empire he was making.
How is Jesse a c**t? He's an idiot sure but he was never a c**t
homie Jesse literally steals from Gus and tries to kill his employees. Walt also does the same thing, but he only does it either to save Jesse or save himself.
Walt didn't steal from Gus, he was perfectly happy to only be making pennies off his formula (sure it was millions but it was still less than 10%).
Jesse was always the hard one until Walt killed to save him. Which showed Gus Walt was like Jesse in that he let his emotions rule him.
I meant to say Walt also did the latter thing. He didn't steal from Gus.
>Jesse was always the hard one until Walt killed to save him. Which showed Gus Walt was like Jesse in that he let his emotions rule him.
>okay, this guy is emotional
>let's reward the guy who is even more emotional and less reliable than he is
Walt was happy to cook and do whatever Gus told him. Jesse was not. It made zero sense for Gus to be as cordial with Jesse as he does in season 4. Almost everything bad about Walt is ten times worse in Jesse.
>Almost everything bad about Walt is ten times worse in Jesse.
They aren't really comparable, they're bad in their own ways.
Gus saw that even though Jesse was a frickup he had loyalty and was easily manipulated.
Jesse is one dead kid away from turning snitch. Walt will kill said kid for Gus if asked. They are not comparable, but Jesse is a much bigger liability for Gus' than Walt.
Jesse is a moron but he's also a little b***h that would keep his head down and perform as Gus demanded. Walt was super delusional and thought he could just be in charge of a Meth empire without knowing the first thing about criminal enterprise.
>Walt was super delusional and thought he could just be in charge of a Meth empire without knowing the first thing about criminal enterprise.
Uhh he managed to successfully run one though
For a few months before everything imploded
He managed to retire THOUGH
It only blew up afterwards when Hank got onto him
Tbh Walt was still more or less just a cook, Lydia and Declan were in charge of logistics and supplies which is where the real difficulty in running a successful drug empire comes from
Yeah but he did a heckin' cool intimidation of that guy that looked like Wolverine, that got the ball rolling
>NOOOO WALTUH YOU CANT JUST KILL GUS YOU HAVE TO LIVE YOUR WHOLE LIFE UNDER THE THUMB OF A GUY WHO WOULD KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WITHOUT A SECOND THOUGHT AND WANTED TO KILL YOUR PARTNER
Walt didn't ruin anything. Jesse did.
and walt was the one who kept him around
Yeah but gale was a redditor which is way worse
Gale just seemed like a autist who was content
In all seriousness im not sure what walts problem with him was, he was just a more competent jesse. All he had to do was make it known that he was running things and they'd be able to split the work
Walt didn't want an equal, he wanted someone lower than him to teach and order around. Someone to feel superior to. Like Jesse.
Ever notice that the moment he turns on Gale is the moment Gale displays competency by doing things Walt was going to do, before he could do them? He feigned admiration then immediately starting seething.
Speedwatching. Walt literally feigned a reason to get rid of Gale because Jesse was about to ruin Hank's life/career after he put him in a hospital.
Last time i watched was in 2018, show has a lot of moving parts so i guess i forgot that detail
they put their heads together they'll make an ass of themselves
Some people are just like that.
Waltuh just wouldn't put his dick away. Also it was ultimately Gus that ruined a good thing.
TENIAMOS ALGO BUENO SU ESTÚPIDO HIJO DE LA CHINGADA
Teniamos un laboratorio, teniamos Fring, teniamos todo lo que necesitarmos y todo funcionava bien
Podería calarte, hacer tu trabajo y ganar toda la plata que querías. Era perfecto. PERO NO
Usted tenia que ser el hombre. Se hecho tu trabajo, no olvidarte tu lugar, todo estaría bien ahora
fricking mexicans
Too much pride, combined with massive insecurity.
because of his own ego and his pride
was Hank more of a man than Walter?
In the first season or two Hank tried to project his alphaness around Walt becasue he thought walt was beta. Turns out Hank is actually weak mind becasue he couldn't handle that shit in Mexico.
Also ffs Hank your brother law has cancer, he's a chemistry teacher, shit goes misisng from his lab and you don't suspect him till you read a book on the toilet kek dumbass mantlet
Walt talks down to Tuco before his character development. Hank can't even handle a dude's head on a turtle. Walt has always been a real man. He just needs a reason to stop giving a shit.
No he was the equal to Walter but in a way worse. Walt did what he did for himself and his ego Hanks actions were based on pride and duty. But what makes him worse is his justification was a duty for justice but he was willing to let the lives of all those he cared about get destroyed because of his sense of justice. Hank is the worst kind of do gooder there is a Zealot he was unwilling to accept that it might be better to let sleeping dogs lie because he needed a resolution and was willing to destroy the lives of countless people around him simply to satisfy his over inflated sense of pride. At least Walts justification were from a place of delusion.
I bet you have an American Psycho or Taxi Driver poster in your bedroom.
MY DADDY AND MY MOMMY
AND MY DADDY AND MY MOOOMMEEE
DA-DA-DADDY AND MY MOMMY
JESSIE PINKMAN IN THE HOUSE
He just had to be the man
> You ruined a good thing!
> By killing the two drug dealers who would have ventilated Jesse, who I now care for.
> But yeah anyway it's all because you're a selfish egotistical prick
Mike is a hypocrite - but this is what makes his character so compelling. But I don't really think the writers even meant to portray him as such here.
>>By killing the two drug dealers who would have ventilated Jesse, who I now care for.
The problem was that Walt showed poor judgement and impulsivity. Gus can’t have his men killing each other. What use to him is Walt if he loses his entire distribution network for meth? He needs those street level men to stay in line and they won’t stay in line if they think they are going to be capriciously killed by some homosexual in an Aztec with no ability to retaliate.
>The problem was that Walt showed poor judgement and impulsivity.
Yes - by saving Jesse's ass who was a massive liability. That's what makes the criticism wildly off mark, Walt was acting purely selflessly, his ego and pride had nothing to do with it. It may have been present, but it wasn't the principle reason for his actions, or why things spiraled out of control.
>Walt was acting purely selflessly, his ego and pride had nothing to do with it
No, Walt's ego and pride needed Jesse because he needed someone who could never eclipse him.
The only reason Walt was the best at what he did was because he was a big fish in a small pond.
There are dozens or maybe hundreds of chemists across the country who could do what Walt did, they just don't make meth because that's a dumb way to make money. That's why he got rid of Gale, because Gale showed signs of being able to surpass or equal Walt.
> Walter caring about Jesse is sheerly due to his ego
lolno.
He literally sold him to neo nazis as a drug slave.
he should have cut ties way before that
> He literally sold him to neo nazis as a drug slave.
He wanted to have him killed after Jesse showed proportional malice - and even then hesitated to do so until Skylar talked him into it.
he wanted him killed and only gave him to Jack after Jesse tried to turn him to Hank and was partially(directly in Walt's eyes) responsible for getting Hank killed, if Jesse wasn't off the rails in 5B there wouldn't be any issues and Jesse would've made it to Alaska much sooner and unscathed.
Those two drug dealers killed a child and Gus seemingly didn't care. He had it coming and Walt did nothing wrong
It was weird to see that Gus who is overtly careful in maintaining his clean public persona and only interacting through middlemen meets personally with some street thugs in his desert trailer center of operations. You'd guess that leaves the door wide open for people blowing his cover.
Gus had respect for Walt until he murdered the drug dealers.
he was going down, mike was skipping town and mikes men were gonna snitch. walt did the only sensible thing, mike was being an emotional homosexual because he couldnt give the go ahead to kill his solid guys
why didn't those dumb c**ts always wear hats? NM is 4000 ft above sea level and it's and intense physical regime to prepare for the natural terrainj
Walt had a propriety kind of selfishness about his formula that simply overwhelmed him.
Mike is actually talking about himself because he was the one who helped Walt frick everything up
Its just shitty writing. The same thing happens with the huge unexplained and non developed change in skylars attitude between seasons 4 and 5 or whatever. where she, without explanation, changes her mind from thinking walt was cool for making them rich, to thinking he's evil. even though nothing changes, it was all after he had already told her he killed gus.
the original writers frick off to do better paying work, the B team just fricks around and does their own thing, then the A team returns for the final season and they've been too busy spending the money and fame to have bothered paying attention to the show
>where she, without explanation, changes her mind from thinking walt was cool for making them rich, to thinking he's evil.
This never happened she treated it like a burden from the jump. She definitely got more extreme but she was a pouty b***h the second she found out the money never came from G&E.
I haven't rewatched it but i'm 50% sure one of the later seasons concluded with her accepting a role as his helper and enjoying the wealth and criminal power. Then a new season starts and she has a totally different attitude than what was left off.
>I haven't rewatched it
I can tell. That's why I responded in the first place, because I got bored and recently blew through it again in like a week. She treats the entire situation as a burden, involving herself only so someone else doesn't frick it up and end up destroying the family by association. She is even more stressed when she realizes the extent of Walt's wealth and the sheer amount of money she is responsible for laundering. She is never happy with anything, just accepts the situation eventually and goes completely cold. Is willing to put up a front of happiness with Walt but eventually crumbles (hence the moronic walking into the pool).
Half the reason people hated her character was because she was constantly angry with Walt and ungrateful for the money. But in all honesty as time goes on it's easier to see her side of things. She jumps in as launderer hoping to damage control only to realize the herculean task she's undertaken too late. Still a c**t, though.
> Its just shitty writing. The same thing happens with the huge unexplained and non developed change in skylars attitude between seasons 4 and 5 or whatever. where she, without explanation, changes her mind from thinking walt was cool for making them rich, to thinking he's evil. even though nothing changes, it was all after he had already told her he killed gus.
Skylar's reaction isn't bad writing it's just femoid mentality.
Before she didn't see Walt as actually capable of violence, she took him as seriously as she did the last 15 years or so of marriage which is not at all.
Once he gave her irrefutable proof that he was in fact The Danger she goes into meltdown victimization mode. Even though he was righteous and justified.
Speed watching morons holy shit it's not even hard to follow. In season 4 Skylar had come to someone accept Walt's criminal lifestyle and agreed to help him launder the money. Throughout the season Walt was selling Skylar on the lie that cooking meth was like a regular 9 to 5, but by the end of the season she realizes that what Walt is into some deepshit and blew up a nursing home and killed people as well as putting his family in danger. I don't even know why I'm explaining this shit to you when can just watch the crawlspace scene and see Skylars turn yourselves. Bunch of dumbasses.
Skylar warmed up to it(like she should have) and got a taste for the life until it almost killed Ted, then she went back to apathetic whining that peaked when she walked into the pool.
Skyler was worried it would put their family in danger and she was right. Her anger was validated. It's not like Walt's actions were even necessary either because they always could've taken Elliot's money if Walt swallowed his pride.
shes scared of him in s5 once she realizes hes the one who killed gus. she thinks of walt as a killer and fears for the kids but her spacey despondent state was a dumb decision
Her despondent attitude came from her feeling like she was powerless in her situation, which she was. Literally no good options for her but to sit and wait for something to happen, then adapt after the fact.
>we had a good thing, you stupid some of a b***h! We had child-murdering fring! We had a lab where fring randomly brutally murdered one of his most loyal employees for no reason! We had fring threatening to kill your infant daughter, and all it ran like CLOCKWORK! but you, you and your pride and your ego, you just had to blow it up! If you'd done your job, known your place, fring would have killed you and replaced you with Gale and I'd be FINE right now!
Was Gus a good store manager?
He was the owner, the manager was the Mexican woman wit da ponitayel
I mean he was a hands on owner and was in store way more than most
guy systematically dismantled a cartel of Hispanic rednecks
He unironically did Hank's job for him
>frick everything up
He made the meth distribution global
Gus preliminarily OK-ed the Czech connect.
cuz MUH JESSIE
He was emotional. Simple as that.
It was the key difference between him and gus. Where gus was mostly unemotional and did whatever was necessary to ensure his businesses security and prosperity. Walter couldn't, he allowed emotion to affect his actions.
false, gus emotions are what got him killed. walt and gus were exactly alike except that gus was a gay and walter cared deeply for his family (but not as much as being the man)
Gus pushed it by not immediately taking care of the drug dealers that were using kids.
>that were using kids.
kids are widely used in drug dealing. Gus shouldn't give two shits about that, nor should he even know his dealers.
It's a stupid plot device. Walt understands this and doesn't care. Jesse also knows this and wouldn't normally care if it wasn't for being so close to the kid, his sister and his victim Combo.
Jesse was already shown to have a soft spot for kids (even ones he doesn't know) after the episode where he dealt with the meth heads in season 2.
>Jesse was already shown to have a soft spot for kids
So what? He's been a druggie burnout for a while, he's seen plenty of kids working in the drug business.
Making a beef of it was stupid.
>He's been a druggie burnout for a while, he's seen plenty of kids working in the drug business.
evidently not?
>evidently not?
Jesse explicitly tells Walter about the usefulness of using kids in drug dealing. He also says "you know he's not the first".
It's fair to assume he has seen kids working in the business, and that he speaks at least partially from experience here.
>Honestly those drug dealers killing the kid was the dumbest move in the entire show
Agreed. The whole thing is ridiculous. Gus should not be so close to those people in the first place. And the child should not be in a position to know anything about anyone important, so he could just be let go or redeployed for some other purpose. Killing him is stupid in every way.
Honestly those drug dealers killing the kid was the dumbest move in the entire show from someone. Like Gus' whole thing is people being careful how is that being careful?
>Gus' whole thing is being careful and keeping his identity a secret
>and yet he organises a face to face meeting between some street level drug dealers and himself to solve this problem
Why would he though. Use of Kids is normal. End of the day it's a brutal criminal business. It isn't nice. Anyone who goes into the game and is surprised by this stuff is naive and stupid
Walt, Mike, Hank, and Jesse are the same person.
Jessie was the one that fricked it all up by trying to kill those dealers
Yeah? Why?
Shut the frick up vince
Honestly really pissed me off.
What I wouldn't give to be cooking meth in a super safe secure lab, earning a fortune.
He had the perfect job and he funked it
the entire show's writing was improvised
He should have just accepted one million every few months to cook meth in a comfy lab. Idiot had to ruin shit.
Gus should've trusted his instinct and turn Walt down. Also Walt was right to kill the dealers who killed the kid. Either they disobeyed Gus or Gus authorized it and had it coming.
Would Hank have lost his job is he didn't get killed? I mean, he must have felt like a cuck when he realised.
Walt suddenly becoming a wanted fugitive feels like a plot hole to me tbh. Hank has no dirt on Walt, which is why he has to lure him to the dirty money to use that as proof. With Hank and Gomie dead and no one left to testify that the money belongs to Walt, the DEA has nothing on him. The cop should just be investigating Walt for domestic abuse instead of magically come to the conclusion that he's Heisenberg based on hearsay.
I assume Skyler snitched on him after he came home. That might not be enough for conviction but enough for arrest.
What I don't understand, is why did Saul end up wanted as well once Walt was outed?
Hank probably kept some notes, he told Marie too. Saul was known to represent Walt and judges probably were fed up with him.
They could probably have weathered the investigation but DEA is pretty vindicative about dead agents too. They chose to not take chances and this proven themselves to be guilty.
Hank doesn't have anything beyond a book connecting Walt to Heisenberg, let alone to Saul.
He decides to dip and makes use of the vacuum man because there are plenty of people that could be tapped as witnesses to sink him. However after the time skip where Walt comes back to finish things I don't think there is a single person left alive or available that could testify and link Saul to the whole Heisenberg affair.
Because Walt has to be cartoonishly prideful for anything in this poorly written schlock to work
Anyone in the real world, no matter how much of a smug butthole they may be, would 100% have just taken the offer from Elliot
He had a death sentence anon.
its funny how the only character that really deserved to die is the only one that gets away with everything
really goes to show the (non-existant) morality of vince
How does Jesse deserve to die any more than Walt?
Jessie is just a random dropout crackhead. The only redeeming factor is his young age, he still has some time to change who he is.
making drugs is bad OP, its not a good thing
>breaking bad
>characters literally turn to the camera and unironically monologue their thoughts and motivations outright, knowing that the audience is too stupid to understand a grain of subtext
>their dumbfrick fans still argue about it
lmao
Has anyone here ever considered that killing two drug dealers who murdered a child among other things and helping your only comrade in need is not such a bad thing per se? People say what Walt did was stupid she should've just kept working for Fring, yet somehow he is bad guy because he thought for a few seconds it would be a good thing for a trouble making junkie prostitute to die or killed a grandpa who murdered dozens of people with his own hands.
Walter killed Gus because it was fun and he wanted to be the evil drug kingpin himself. That's all there is to it.
It wasn't really about money. They made that clear in Season 1 lol
He's a racist and coulnd't deal with the fact that a strong Black man was his boss