Why didn't Bullseye get the same acclaim as a character as Joker when they're essentially the same character?

Why didn't Bullseye get the same acclaim as a character as Joker when they're essentially the same character?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know a guy that can put Bullseye down for good.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >stares at Punisher's gun
      What the frick

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can take an artist out of the 90s, but you can't take the 90s out of the artist. It's great.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's the issue? He's holding an AR15

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Steve Dillon
      >but not the covers lol we're not idiots

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd read this if it had a better writer working with Dillon. I would be less likely to pick it up if I knew Deodato was doing the interiors.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They've fought repeatedly and the most he ever did was shoot Bullseye in the hands.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He killed him in a mini once and Matt Murdock tried to put him in jail over it. Christmas time I remember.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Has never been the main pov of an acclaimed book specifically about him by a highly acclaimed author, has never been the main villain of a movie, an acclaimed game series, an animated tv series, a spinoff film specifically about him, etcetera

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're not the same character. Bullseye is unironically more grounded despite his superpower, a more broadly accurate portrayal of a psychopathic serial killer. Joker is over-the-top and generally not even close to how real mob bosses operate, but he is much more versatile of a concept, you can cram a lot more meanings into the clown symbol (especially contrasted by the posterboy for gritty and serious heroes) than the guy who throws real good against a blind devil guy.

      >Has never been the main pov of an acclaimed book specifically about him by a highly acclaimed author
      Literally Daredevil 181 you casual

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bullseye isn't just a psychotic killer who throws things perfectly, he's also in love and obsessed with Daredevil in the same way the Joker is with Batman and always wants his attention

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He hasn't been written to be obsessed with Daredevil since Miller, and in there that was a legitimate mental illness.

          I guess you could count Waid, but that was just revenge, and hardly a typical Bullseye story to begin with.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have literally never thought about Bullseye without him being obsessed with Daredevil, that's a major part of his character

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bullshit, Bullseye is Penguin

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bullseye is that alien from Rick and Morty who "just loves killing"

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Daredevil is less popular than Batman, and Bullseye's aesthetic is less eccentric

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Bullseye
    Frank Miller wrote him in an ongoing when he was still getting good.
    >The Joker
    Appeared in Batman #1.
    Was recurring in a live-action TV show and later movie of said show.
    Frank Miller wrote him in a neatly packaged limited series at the peak of his powers.
    Alan Moore wrote a neatly packaged one-shot centered around him at the height of his popularity.
    Grant Morrison wrote him into a neatly-packaged one-shot with crazy art when people really started paying attention to comics.
    A Hollywood movie had him as the main villain, played by a beloved actor.
    Was recurring in a Saturday morning cartoon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bullseye could have had all of that

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well let's start with the fact that Bullseye's outfit is pretty hard to adapt into live-action without completely overhauling his look like

        bullshit, Bullseye is Penguin

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How? It's a black and white outfit with a Bullseye target in the forehead of a ski mask

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly, it looks goofy as frick in live-action.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's easily one of the easiest suits to adapt to live action

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                More like one of the campiest suits*

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The color scheme alone keeps it far away from being even close to the campiest costume

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No one is going to be taking the tight suit and all these target symbols seriously on a big screen.

                How can you possibly say this looks goofy as frick compared to any other superhero?

                This one just straight up gives him pants and tacticools him up, and in live-action this would probably look even sillier because of the contrast between the campy suit and the military gear.

                I have literally never thought about Bullseye without him being obsessed with Daredevil, that's a major part of his character

                Well, you might prefer to think of his character however. But that's not really how he was written for the last 20+ years. Most of the time he's just someone who loves killing and is always down to mess with Daredevil.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're essentially saying no superhero costume can be taken seriously in live action if you sincerely think Bullseyes cant

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bullseye is just a weird mix of a gritty character and campy design. If Spider-Man was a serial killer it'd be harder to take his suit seriously in live action too.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's a manic psycho who comes to be obsessed with the hero and wants to break him morally, it's exactly like Joker or Green Goblin

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and wants to break him morally
                I've never read any Daredevil stories where this is the case. Usually Bullseye just hates Matt and wants to kill people. Same with Goblin, he's just a guy who kills I've never read stories of him just testing his morality.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's literally all of Frank Miller's Daredevil anon. It's Bullseye obsessed with Daredevil trying to bait him into no win scenarios.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                such as?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The early story where he baits Daredevil to kill him or he's going to kill a hostage he took in a movie theater.he does this same tactic many times throughout the run. He's cool as hell. There's a lot that comes later too

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You may be misremembering that story, anon. He says "let me kill YOU, or I'll kill this hostage", he wasn't asking Daredevil to kill him, then Daredevil jumps through the window to come back later. Bullseye had a brain tumor in this story that was making him more violent and erratic than usual.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes you're right about that, I didn't remember it right but that still checks out for what I'm saying

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no it doesn't. That's how all hostages work: do what I say or I'll kill him. There's no clash of ideals at all, he just wants to kill Daredevil

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's of their first battles in that run, it heavily escalates from there to Elektras death.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                These two panels prove the point, look how psychotic Bullseye is

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How can you possibly say this looks goofy as frick compared to any other superhero?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He looks like Black Bolt in this photo

          I'll say that the recent Ultimate Spider-Man design is the only Bullseye design I think is suitable for live-action. Maybe open up his mouth and it's perfect.

          I wonder how he would stack up against Ultimate Hawkeye?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll say that the recent Ultimate Spider-Man design is the only Bullseye design I think is suitable for live-action. Maybe open up his mouth and it's perfect.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He'd have to wear those white eye shields that are usually ditched in live-action.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is Ultimate Bullseye also Longshot?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's barely different from his regular costume anon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Vest, a more detailed belt, armor on hands and legs, baggier pants, thinner circle on the head bullseye, no bullseye pattern on his sleeves. It's pretty different from his usual tights and clearly made to be more grounded

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So literally every live action Batman costume. This is insane, Bullseye has an extremely easy costume to translate

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And yet no one tried either in the 2004 movie or in the Netflix series. It's hard to take a ski mask with a huge drawing plastered on top seriously in real life.

            How can you possibly say this is an overly campy costume compared to literally any other superhero? Anyone who says that doesn't make sense

            Here it looks particularly campy, like it's something he made himself at home.

            He's a manic psycho who comes to be obsessed with the hero and wants to break him morally, it's exactly like Joker or Green Goblin

            That's of their first battles in that run, it heavily escalates from there to Elektras death.

            This is a stretch. Every time Matt thinks of killing Bullseye is self-imposed, Bullseye isn't deliberately goading him into this

            lots of villains are obsessed with their heroes. Black Manta for example. Lex for example. Joker and Batman's conflict does more things than just "Joker is obsessed with him", to most people the appeal is that Joker's a renegade who hates Gotham while Batman seeks to protect it, and so Joker wants to bring Batman down to his level because he sees Bruce as a sort of kindred spirit who can be broken.
            Bullseye is fun as frick but his motives start and end at "GRR YOU STOPPED ME FROM KILLING GUYS NOW I'LL YOU!" And that's all they need to be.

            This.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How can you realistically claim you can adapt Batmans costume in live action but Bullseyes is somehow too campy and ridiculous

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I already said multiple times. The mask + the bullseye symbols. It's mixing a covert tactical style with flamboyant expressive drawings on top.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What makes you think Bullseye was ever trying to be covert? He's a manic psycho trying to make a huge scene with his partner Daredevil

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The sleek uniform style his costume is going for gives off that impression. Plus most of the time he's paid to kill people quickly and efficiently.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's an eratic manic depressive hitman who was once just a killer for hire, but once he met Daredevil he became obsessed with him and irrationally devoted all of his efforts towards him. That's the point. He's a freak lunatic in love with Daredevil

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're pushing your headcanon a lot.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How exactly do you see Daredevil and Bullseyes decades long rivalry like then?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Metal Gear AF.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not a fan of the full mask. His classic design remains superior. But unmasked he looks pretty sick.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How can you possibly say this is an overly campy costume compared to literally any other superhero? Anyone who says that doesn't make sense

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're similar in that they're nuts, but that's where the similarities end

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, he also obsessed and in love with Daredevil and wants his attention exclusively

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lots of villains are obsessed with their heroes. Black Manta for example. Lex for example. Joker and Batman's conflict does more things than just "Joker is obsessed with him", to most people the appeal is that Joker's a renegade who hates Gotham while Batman seeks to protect it, and so Joker wants to bring Batman down to his level because he sees Bruce as a sort of kindred spirit who can be broken.
        Bullseye is fun as frick but his motives start and end at "GRR YOU STOPPED ME FROM KILLING GUYS NOW I'LL YOU!" And that's all they need to be.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's a bad take. Bullseye has since the 80s been a character that feels like Daredevil completes him and wants him to know that by acting out with extreme crimes that serve no logical purpose

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think everyone forgot about the time Bullseye baited Matt to pursue him instead of helping an apartment complex rigged with explosives and this led to Matt getting possessed by the demon that controlled The Hand

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think Bullseye's mask is stupid.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dunno, why did DareDevil step on my clean laundry?

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, they're not. They're not even similar.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ?t=3

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    best bullseye era is dark reign.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not even close

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was fun for sure but I wouldn't call it best

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Joker is like forty years older.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What does that have to do with anything

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A lot.

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