The moth is friends with the eagles and it brings them to gandalf. Instead, have the moth sit on the eagle and put the ring on the moth. Then the eagle isnt the one carrying it and wont get corrupted
Brilliant. We can just have boromir carry a lamp that the moth is attracted to constantly. Then the ring won't be able to corrupt anyone until it gets tossed in
And, on that note, if the moth IS able to pull it off, would he have the will to overcome the ring and make it to the volcano without flying into the eye right in front of it?
it's established that moths can travel very far distances and they are basically invisible/make no sound. if you have multiple moths holding it up then one being corrupted and ruining the plan is impossible
it's established that moths can travel very far distances and they are basically invisible/make no sound. if you have multiple moths holding it up then one being corrupted and ruining the plan is impossible
It's a regular ass moth, he's a Maiar who can commune with nature. Same reason he can instant tame Shadowfax who the Rohrrim could not handle.
I agree with this anon. Moths usually have no mouth parts, depending on a fat deposit built up as a caterpillar. It has a very specific amount of time to find a mate before it died.
It basically sacrificed itself to relay a message form Gandolf.
>How is a moth more corruptible?
No way to fight off the corruption. It's not that the moth wants something, it's that it's so simple it doesn't understand why it WOULDN'T do something, even if that something was killing it. You know how many of these dusty motherfrickers have died literally hammering against a lamp? You wanna know what the most common cause of death for a moth is? Not avoiding the obvious thing in front of it that wants it dead. It just knows "Fly and find food and occasionally frick", how easy would it be to corrupt that?
What suicidal motherfricker trusts a moth to deliver something when there's a giant glowing thing on a stick in its way? Sauron wouldn't even know it was coming before he got eyeball bonked.
Could the Ring corrupt something with no soul? Like for example a robot like C3P0 or Johnny-5 from Short Circuit?
2 years ago
Anonymous
yes, the rings corrupts -everything-, i'm pretty sure if you stuck it inside a tree he tree would start killing squirrels to drink thier blood
2 years ago
Anonymous
That sounds OP. Why did Eru Ilúvatar allow Sauron to override free will like that? Even if one guy like Frodo is allowed to bypass it, it still seems unfair and overpowered..
2 years ago
Anonymous
Morgoth essentially hacked the part of creation that Eru allowed for free will and to make their own choices and taught his apprentice how to do the same before he was slain. Essentially Eru would have to make a being that had no will or thoughts or free will in order to combat it, there's really no way around it. Either he allows the freedom of choice that can be corrupted no matter how strong their heart, because if they are incorruptible they cannot ever truly be considered to have succeeded or overcome, or he creates a being without purpose beyond the directions of his command and the plan would still fail because he would have to directly intervene every step of the way, and at that point he might as well just admit his universe cannot overcome evil.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Interesting..
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is free will canon in the Legendarium? I thought everything is composed from the outset
2 years ago
Anonymous
trees in middle-earth already are huge dicks though. different trees try to kill the hobbits like three times or something.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, Tom Bombadil stopped that tree that wanted to kill Merry and Pippin
2 years ago
Anonymous
Normal tree it'd do nothing except maybe fall off to be found by someone
Ent it'd make them crazy. They'd probably start a war to cover the world in forest.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It corrupts the mind not the soul so as long as it has sapient thought and can make its own choices it can be corrupted. POSSIBLY a robot that is just following directions might be okay, but it's just as likely Sauron could corrupt that programming. Maybe get some lessons from Voldermort, you know that guy knows Python.
The moth is friends with the eagles and it brings them to gandalf. Instead, have the moth sit on the eagle and put the ring on the moth. Then the eagle isnt the one carrying it and wont get corrupted
Brilliant. We can just have boromir carry a lamp that the moth is attracted to constantly. Then the ring won't be able to corrupt anyone until it gets tossed in
>trusting a moth with The One Ring
Evidently you've never had to deal with those powdery wing-Black folk before. I'd trust you with my wife before I trusted a moth with anything. Filthy, treacherous c**ts.
Butterfly limbs typed this post.
I don't get why some people here are being so rude and underestimative of moths. Moths are cool and good and we definitely should be leaving our outdoor lights on so they can bask by them. We should be feeding them, even. And letting them grow large. A fellowship of moths could easily carry the ring to mount doom. I wouldn't be corrupted at all
>Shove the ring up your ass >whenever you shit, it passes through the ring and turns invisible >you can literally take invisible shits anywhere you want. >just go around taking invisible shits in the corner of everybody's house and seeing the smell drive them insane
This is seriously more diabolical than anything Sauron has ever done.
The world would be better off giving Sauron the ring just to keep it away from you.
Sauron is Melkor's right hand so obviously the dragons would answer him, they are beneath him in the chain of command
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not him but wasn't Glaurung on the same level as Sauron authority-wise?
Might be misremembering but weren't Sauron, Gothmog, and Glaurung Morgoth's top three?
I think I agree with you though, no dragon would be obligated to serve Sauron, though Gandalf was terrified that Smaug would willingly form an alliance with him.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Glaurung is dead, Smaug is merely his spawn, he would definitely obey Sauron if promised gold
2 years ago
Anonymous
>if
That's a contract, not a "serve me because I'm our old master's favorite" deal
Every servant of Morgoth fricked off and went their own ways when he got chained and chucked. It doesn't matter if Sauron was his "right hand" he literally got BTFO by a big dog. Do you really think the remaining dragons would flock to his banner? No. None of them did. Why would they? He's a b***h that got dommed by a large fuzzy dog
First of all, it was a big as frick dog. Second, all things considered Smaug was a fairly small dragon and last of his kind, he was doing jackshit and hated the frick out of dwarfs, I would be shocked if he didn't ally on the spot with Sauron if the later promised him that he could feast on dwarf meat and sleep on their gold
>if
That's a contract, not a "serve me because I'm our old master's favorite" deal
Ok sure, I don't think Sauron would literally wipe Smaug like a horse but he would be the one giving orders
2 years ago
Anonymous
I meanw whip*, i'm sleepy
2 years ago
Anonymous
>First of all, it was a big as frick dog
Get the frick off this board, Sauron, don't you have a world to dominate?
Yea i think they would have allied as well, but not because sauron held some previous power level advantage over smaug
2 years ago
Anonymous
These things are freaking massive
2 years ago
Anonymous
Who would win? Literal divine being capable of taking the form of a werewolf and vampire OR a big doggo?
If Gandalf could take whatever form he wanted, why didn't he just take the form of an amazon delivery driver and deliver the ring to the mountain in a box(frodo is obviously in the box carrying it so gandalf isn't corrupted by it)
2 years ago
Anonymous
I wish I could see the tale of beren and luthien in full glory, but they would ruin it, I just know it. Also i'm pretty sure this THE story the tolkien state will never allow to be adapted
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dont worry, anon. I will do it justice one day
2 years ago
Anonymous
> at the end of LotR, Sauron is reduced to a shadow, unable to exert any influence on the world around him > he ends up on Cinemaphile
Bravo Tolkien. I bet Sauron fills out the janitor application and gets rejected every time.
>Why not give it to a dragon?
It's literally a plotpoint in the Hobbit that Sauron(Just "The necromancer" at the time) and Smaug had to be fought and defeated at the same time because if either of them sensed the other was in danger they'd rush to help out.
Smaug would give him the ring in a heartbeat because he knows Sauron would give him all the gold he could want.
Keeping the ring guarded doesn't help them. Same as hiding it or throwing it in the ocean. Sauron is about to win without the ring and can only be stopped by destroying it.
This is one of my favorit passages of the book, it is basically Sam btfo'ing the ring so hard it shut the frick up
His thought turned to the Ring, but there was no comfort there, only dread and danger. No sooner had he come in sight of Mount Doom, burning far away, than he was aware of a change in his burden. As it drew near the great furnaces where, in the deeps of time, it had been shaped and forged, the Ring's power grew, and it became more fell, untameable except by some mighty will. As Sam stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, a vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor. He felt that he had from now on only two choices: to forbear the Ring, though it would torment him; or to claim it, and challenge the Power that sat in its dark hold beyond the valley of shadows. Already the Ring tempted him, gnawing at his will and reason. Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur. And then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. In that hour of trial it was his love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command. 'And anyway all these notions are only a trick, he said to himself.
of these, only Sam came in direct contact of the ring, Galadriel almost lost it the moment she saw the ring
i'm pretty sure if the ring had stayed in Lothlorien she would eventually claim it for herself and march towards gorgoroth, same for Elrond
Everyone would be Corrupted with time it's just a matter of how long.
The more powerful the easier it corrupts it seems that's why gandalf won't even touch it. So galadriel managing to resist being offered even for a moment was a big deal for her.
>Faramir
Probably my least favorite Jackson change. Well that and Denethor. It's funny because Jackson's Boromir is actually better or at least on par with the one in the book so I'm wondering what went wrong.
based Sam... I read the books when I was 10 and the only thing that truly stuck in my mind are the Sam scenes from the moment the Orcs take Frodo from the spider until the moment he rescues him
>Nope >'ate tricks >'ate gollum >'ate rings >'ate visions of glory (not a coward, just don't like 'em) >luv me garden >luv me ale >luv me Rosie >simple as
The real answer is that men, who were soon to inherit the earth, would have learned nothing…as it stood, they were introduced into the story as desiring power above all else, and ended it with kneeling to the lowest of all races
If Smaug got the ring it would be perfect for Sauron. The dwarven rings actually backfired, they corrupt the dwarfs yes, however, it makes their greed and love for gold bigger which leads to them being more protective and aggressive towards those who seek their holds. So, in the end, the rings only made the dwarfs hate and fight Sauron even more.
If Smaug had the ring he would want even more gold and would atack every single dwarven kingdom instead of sitting his butt under the lonely mountain for hundreds of years
It made dwarfs greedy and with that they became distrustful of all outsiders.
This meant they weren't very willing to help the free people's against sauron. They were too busy obsessing over their greed. This helped sauron
Also this greed is what caused the dwarfs of moria to delve too deep and awaken the balrog destroying the greatest most powerful dwarven kingdom completely. Another win for sauron
Throughout the films, characters keep talking about "using the ring" to do achieve great stuff. Like Boromir and (film) Faramir talking about using it against Sauron. But what do they think they could achieve? Suppose for a second that Sauron and the Nazgul could not see you when you put on the ring - could a single invisible man really make any significant difference in the war?
This is one of my favorit passages of the book, it is basically Sam btfo'ing the ring so hard it shut the frick up
His thought turned to the Ring, but there was no comfort there, only dread and danger. No sooner had he come in sight of Mount Doom, burning far away, than he was aware of a change in his burden. As it drew near the great furnaces where, in the deeps of time, it had been shaped and forged, the Ring's power grew, and it became more fell, untameable except by some mighty will. As Sam stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, a vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor. He felt that he had from now on only two choices: to forbear the Ring, though it would torment him; or to claim it, and challenge the Power that sat in its dark hold beyond the valley of shadows. Already the Ring tempted him, gnawing at his will and reason. Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur. And then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. In that hour of trial it was his love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command. 'And anyway all these notions are only a trick, he said to himself.
The ring is basically whispering lies in your ear. It is literally useless to everyone except Sauron.
It literally IS him. Frick, out the top of my head the only analogy I can think of is like in Darkstalkers, because Morrigan was too powerful they split a part of her and it made Lilith, and if Morrigan absorbs Lilith again she will be the most powerful thing ever.
That is basically Sauron and the ring, he put all his will into it and he wants to be whole again
Sauron existed previously to creating the ring though, so how are they identical? What is the point of putting his will into an object if that only makes him more vulnerable?
concentrating his evil will into the ring focused it and let him wield it as a weapon. it also gave him power over the users of the other rings he made
That is the trick part. No one can bring themselves to destroy the ring because it corrupts the mind and since no one can destroy it it, Sauron is basically immortal.
Not even Frodo could do it, the ring was only destroyed by pure luck or Eru's (God) intervention making Gollum slip out of the cliff.
It made him more powerful. And he didn't ever consider someone might kill him. He was basically a god on earth. So he thought who could possibly defeat him.
He loses due to his arrogance with isildur and again with the lotr time period. He believes nobody would want to destroy the ring. And certainly not a weak little hobbit. So he never prepared for it
>Sauron existed previously to creating the ring though, so how are they identical?
But he couldn't corrupt the other Ringbearers, who were the leaders of their various tribes. He sought to control all of them at the same time and corrupt the world through their influence, without the One Ring To Rule Them All, they could've overcome him.
With this, their greatest weapons were not just useless, they actively turned against them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also the power over the other rings extended to the entire races of elves and men and dwarfs. Not only controlling the wearer it would erode and weaken their entire domain. Corrupting them, instilling fear and hopelessness. destroying their resolve and determination to fight.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Gosh that sounds familiar. Who else acts like that?
Because one's spirit in Tolkien is a finite thing that can be depleted. Morgoth goes from being strong enough to fight all the Valar single handed, to being curb-checked in the war of wrath because he spends too much of his spirit corrupting creation. The Ring is how Sauron tries to cheat that; it allows him to preserve his spirit that would otherwise wane over time.
It's also why the destruction of the ring means the end of the elves in middle earth. Their kingdoms were being preserved by simmilar means. And when the power of the one ring was broken, they would fade as well.
It's not that they know or it would do anything for them.
It's that it gets in their heads and warps their minds into believing it would. It makes them believe all their desires, goals and dreams will be possible if only they had the ring.
The ring is basically whispering lies in your ear. It is literally useless to everyone except Sauron.
It's not that they know or it would do anything for them.
It's that it gets in their heads and warps their minds into believing it would. It makes them believe all their desires, goals and dreams will be possible if only they had the ring.
The rings obviously do something.
The ring that Galadriel had sustained Lothlorian for the longest time. And she knew that if she had the one ring, she could save her waning society and the elves could continue living in Middle Earth. That's why her rejecting the offer of the one ring is so significant.
Maybe the ring just subtly influences society as a whole, making it powerful and commanding.
The One Right obviously does something. It makes hobbits invisible. I think it's implied that if Aragorn wore it he would be able to command the unquestioning loyalty of Men merely by speaking to them, ala what Saruman does but hypercharged to be irresistible.
I mean, it does things but it does in order to accomplish its objective which is returning to Sauron.
Like, yes, it extended Bilbo life but then so what? Bilbo already felt he was getting spread thin by it, if he stayed with this "blessing" he would eventually end up like Gollum, living for hundreds of years staring at the ring
It didn't do jack shit for Isildur. It made him invisible for a bit then got him killed by low level mobs. And the stupid thing got itself lost for thousands of years because of it
It was waiting is all. Once it felt saurons presence again it made moves
2 years ago
Anonymous
It could have corrupted him. Have him turn his entire kingdom towards the services of Sauron and start worshipping evil. When Sauron returned, he'd have a red velvet carpet awaiting his arrival instead
2 years ago
Anonymous
If sauron was present then it probably would've but because he wasn't it basically went into hibernation. Idk details but might be that it wasn't as powerful without saurons presence in the world.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It could have corrupted him
It DID corrupt him, his kingdom fell into ruin because of it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It goes down different in the books he was alot more good.
When he was ambushed he was on his way to rivendel to seek elronds counsel on what to do with it. And during the ambush even after his son is killed his only intention is to get the ring to rivendel he only uses the ring when he is emplored by his companion to with alot of reluctance
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Hey, Elrond, what should I do with the ring? >I gave you crystal clear instructions you little shit why are you in my house
2 years ago
Anonymous
"Elrond, please my old friend, I seek council."
"I will have none of this buffoonery! You know what you must do!"
"Then speak the words, friend! Tell me so I may see it so!"
"By my father's sword if I find out this is some sort of mockery of my crown I will see to it your kingdom burns!"
"Such harsh words! Are the Elves not of the kinder folk? Where is your wisdom? Where is your grace?"
"Do you speak truly?"
"As truly as the dawn, my old friend! As truly as the dawn! Tell me, what must I do!"
"Very well... Isildur, you must cast it into the fire!"
Isildur smiles.
"No, it's mine."
He vanishes.
"FRICKING MEN!"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>YOU'RE FRICKING WEAK, ISILDUR! YOU HEAR ME, YOU INVISIBLE PRICK?! WEAK!
>And she knew that if she had the one ring, she could save her waning society and the elves could continue living in Middle Earth.
How would she do it though? How would invisibility help her accomplish this?
The ring's primary use was to enslaved the other rings. It's reasonable to say that it's power is controlling the will of others. I don't remember where, but I'm pretty sure the ring also empowers the wearer's abilities they already have. The reason hobbits turn invisible is because they're already naturally stealthy. If boromir were to get it, it likely would make him a great and powerful warrior and commander, rather than make him invisible
The ring preys on your own power fantasies and basically gives you Wall Street criminal-tier mega balls to accomplish whatever you want with the indomitable will of a contrarian minor God at your back.
So even the most pure of heart will feel compelled to put on the ring and use it for "good" while it slowly corrupts their perspective and makes them an jltra-sociopath with no moral compass but the ring's will.
The Ring has most of Sauron's soul and/or spirit bound up in it. So if you could gain mastery over the Ring, you would gain Sauron's powers. You would be able to control people's minds for a start. There's a good chance you could just make the army of orcs bow down before you.
Problem is, this is not a magic item in the sense of a RPG game where you get X bonus for putting it on. This is the soul of a primordial spirit bound to the material world through the sorcery of one who apprenticed to basically Satan. It's not just going to take orders from anyone. You need to have the strength of will and the potency of spirit to bend the damn thing to your bidding.
So are you guys telling me, that if Saruman hadn't turned evil, and all five wizards came together, and Bilbo stopped being a tard prancing around the shire wearing the ring and spying on teenage girls and actually told them he had it, that they together couldn't force their way into mordor and destroy the ring? Shouldn't the five wizards together be able to destroy whole cities and armies?
The wizards are forbidden from using all their power because the last time someone got that uppity a whole continent had to be sunk under the ocean.
The wizard's mission was the guide and teach the free people's of middle earth how to fend for themselves without relying on magic. They were allowed to actually use powers only in the case of an unfair treat (like the Balrog in moriah).
This is why while it makes sense to remove the scouring of the shire from the movie for obvious reasons, it kinda loses a bit of the message since Gandalf basically says
>look, I helped you to defeat satan's right hand, now go solve your problems yourselves, I won't be here forever
His death in the movie was moronic and on the scale of boba fett getting chucked into the sarlaac. He needed a fitting death or at least to be shown much later as a withered decrepit thing only worthy of pity like he became as Sharky
To be fair though in the extended edition where he falls and just smacks into the spiky wheel is hilarious. The sound effect and how brunt the impact is made me laugh. Having such a powerful and imposing figure die like that
2 years ago
Anonymous
Does Saruman even die in the normal cut? I don't remember
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think they just comment that he locked the doors of Orthanc and they can't get to him but his power is gone and he's not an issue. Then he's not brought up again. Pretty weird
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you don't even see him. Gimli suggests to kill him but gandalf says no as he has no power now. And instructs treebeard to guard him
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you don't even see him. Gimli suggests to kill him but gandalf says no as he has no power now. And instructs treebeard to guard him
What was done was gandalf was given sarumans job basically. Made the white wizard and most powerful. So he could defeat saruman whereas before he was out matched by him.
They aren't allowed to use their powers directly like that. Only to guide the free people's against sauron. Using their power sparingly.
However if the wizards did all come together then they'd probably make destroying the ring quicker and less challenging. Not by directly taking the ring themselves but like gandalf did alone. Directing forces. Organising etc
Who would stop them though? Would Iluvatar strike them down with lightning or something if they actually did something? What was the point of giving them powers to begin with then?
>Who would stop them though?
They might end up like Saurmon and not allowed back in the nice happy place, abusing their powers like that is a big no no. >Would Iluvatar strike them down with lightning or something if they actually did something?
He probably just would turn off their powers or not resurrect them like he did Gandalf. >What was the point of giving them powers to begin with then?
Well you see before the whole men thing came around Morgoth was absolutely fricking shit up and he kind of needed to tip the scales. The LOTR level stuff was pretty bad and all but he needed someone who could actually stand up to the frickoff dragons.
Honestly I think the whole Silmarillion backstory just ruins LotR. It made more sense before wizards were immortal agents of god himself. They should just be an order of magic users.
The actual reason is they already had their power before being sent to middle earth. They are miar. Angels basically. So they have power as standard.
Then when they were sent to middle earth they were given instructions to not intervene in things too much. To act as guides and influence people. Using their wisdom not their strength.
The wizards are forbidden from using all their power because the last time someone got that uppity a whole continent had to be sunk under the ocean.
The wizard's mission was the guide and teach the free people's of middle earth how to fend for themselves without relying on magic. They were allowed to actually use powers only in the case of an unfair treat (like the Balrog in moriah).
This is why while it makes sense to remove the scouring of the shire from the movie for obvious reasons, it kinda loses a bit of the message since Gandalf basically says
>look, I helped you to defeat satan's right hand, now go solve your problems yourselves, I won't be here forever
They aren't allowed to use their powers directly like that. Only to guide the free people's against sauron. Using their power sparingly.
However if the wizards did all come together then they'd probably make destroying the ring quicker and less challenging. Not by directly taking the ring themselves but like gandalf did alone. Directing forces. Organising etc
They're not army level beings, even five Maiar couldn't beat ten thousand orcs and overcome the will of Sauron at the same time.
They couldn't and wouldn't.
Which is a shame. Gandalf with the ring or Saruman the Black would be a series to surpass LOTR
As these anons said, they couldn't use their full power. Also, goblins, orks and Sauron's other allies were already mobilized and taking key positions in Middle Earth. It would have been easier to destroy the ring during Bilbo's Hobbit era when Sauron's forces weren't as spread out.
Hobbits are unironically the key to stopping the ring. Only a people as simple and humble as the hobbits could resist the ring while adventuring to Mordor. We know the ring would have corrupted Saruman, I'm not sure how the other wizards would have fared. I'm sure if they would have been corrupted the rest of Middle Earth would stand no chance.
>I'm not sure how the other wizards would have fared
Didn't the blue wizards frick off to the east and do literally nothing of value at all? Eventually falling into the same ending that Suruman got?
Why didn't Gandalf grow turbojets on the bottom of his feet and fly to Mount Doom like Iron Man?
Why didn't the Flash go faster than light and travel back to the Third Age and run the Ring into Mount Doom at Mach 50?
Why didn't Captain Kirk fly the Ring into Mount Doom?
Why didn't Ripley nuke Barad Dur from orbit? It would be the only way to be sure.
Why didn't Boromir just grow a pair?
Why didn't Boromir frick Frodo?
Why didn't Boromir kidnap Frodo and rape him over and over and over?
Why why why?
So I assume it'd be kept in rivendell in this scenario.
By staying there for so long it would corrupt the elves and anyone near it.
Also it was no secret that the ring was there. So eventually rivendell would be attacked.
I haven't even asked how you think they will get lava back to base without it solidifying
2 years ago
Anonymous
Gandalf keeps heating it up with his magic staff
2 years ago
Anonymous
So he doesn't sleep then the whole journey back
2 years ago
Anonymous
He sleeps with half his brain at a time, like birds or dolphins.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is canon. We see him do it in RotK when he is sleeping in Theoden's hall with the Palantir in his hands. In any case, the journey isn't that long by eagle.
2 years ago
Anonymous
His eyes were open but he was asleep and unaware of his surroundings. Therefore he wouldn't be able to keep the magma liquid like this
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why can't he just melt the ring directly then?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wouldn't you want it solidify first?
>Dredge some magma up >Let it crystallize >Carry the crystal back home >Heat it up to destroy the ring >Let it solidify again and keep it around in case you need it for any other magical artifacts
2 years ago
Anonymous
solved. frick Tolkien. I bet he regretted introducing the eagles for the rest of his life.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We're the Eagles a reference for usa in ww1?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Need to know though if it's just the magma required or the whole place to work
2 years ago
Anonymous
The frick? What would the rock even do in this scenario? It's no longer the fires of Mount Doom, is it? It's the fires of whatever bullshit they used to reheat it. If they can make fires that hot and those fires will work, why do they need the magma at all?
It was more like he got so Corrupted it couldn't even get him to take it to sauron. He was so obsessed it couldn't influence him out of hiding and stroking it
Apparently by that point he'd literally addled his mind in nature so much he lost his sense of self. He was basically a part of his minor ecosystem there, he wouldn't have been able to leave it for the journey.
Radaghast lost track of his mission, he became too fond of plants and animals
He would've but gandalf didn't include him. Maybe he had no use really
Now I want to see an alternate take with Radaghast fighting the Baglrog
Apparently by that point he'd literally addled his mind in nature so much he lost his sense of self. He was basically a part of his minor ecosystem there, he wouldn't have been able to leave it for the journey.
Reminder that Middle Earth had a very efficient postal service as depicted by Bilbo Baggins receiving mail regarding his birthday. Gandalf had the ring in an envelope all that was needed was and address and a stamp.
Isildur had the ring in his possession for like two and a half years, fully aware of its origin, and there is no mention of it making him crazy or corrupting him. You tards act like the ring is constantly shooting out EVILNESS LASERS that would cause an otherwise-clueless giant bird to decide it's time to conquer Earth
>Isildur had the ring in his possession for like two and a half years, fully aware of its origin, and there is no mention of it making him crazy or corrupting him
One, yes there is he literally lead his kingdom to ruin.
Two, this was when Sauron was so weakened the ring was essentially sleeping, it is even pointed out Bilbo could use it for decades but once Sauron gained enough of his power the shift was enough that even a few weeks could twist you into something foul.
Besides that, Eagles are the same as Maiar, meaning that everything Gandalf said and what we saw with Galadrial would happen to them, and both made it clear it would be near instant like it was with smeogal. Stronger you are the quicker it happens, and they're essentially angels.
>BBBBIIIIILLLLLLBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOO
he said calmy >DID YOU FRICKING FIND A RING IN THE CAVES BILBO? You expect me to believe you got past all those goblins on your own, you sly c**t. You're a sneaky israelite, Bilbo, old friend, but not THAT sneaky!
Gandalf stretched his legs across the room >and what was all that at the battle of five armies? Hmm? >>they WON'T see me? >I WONDER WHY BILBO? I WONDER WHY YOU HAVE LOOKED SO YOUNG ALL THIS TIME? IT'S BEEN 50 YEARS SINCE THAT SHIT WITH THE DRAGON AND YOU HAVEN'T AGED A DAY! VERY CURIOUS. I know you have a magic ring, you fricking daft ass. That stunt you pulled at the party. well, I must admit it was quite funny, BUT THESE RINGS ARE NO LAUGHING MATTER! >50 POINTS TO THE BAGGINSES
is that what you want? a giant moth god emperor devouring all the sweaters in middle earth? Enslaving the hobbits to make bigger and bigger lamps?
yes…I wish that
it'd probably be better than Amazon's Rings of Power™, soon to be available exclusively on Amazon Prime.
He would return the Two Lamps to Middle-Earth. It would be well
truly Ilúvatar works in mysterious ways
In tears at this thread. On-point.
Lost me at the lamp part. Lamps are akin to an illusion where every direction you turn travel always leads to the same spot.
Moths don't love lights, they're confused by them.
It's a simple question of weight ratios. a 3 gram moth can't carry a 15 gram ring.
And, on that note, if the moth IS able to pull it off, would he have the will to overcome the ring and make it to the volcano without flying into the eye right in front of it?
then get multiple moths
Nah they'd have to have it on a line.
it's established that moths can travel very far distances and they are basically invisible/make no sound. if you have multiple moths holding it up then one being corrupted and ruining the plan is impossible
A fellowship of moths, then?
Very well. They shall be The Fellowship of the Cotton.
Finally a black-inclusive Tolkien saga.
Why you gotta be racist
Lmfao
It's a magical fricking moth
The moth is not magic.
Just because gandalf has the ability to summon it and talk to it doesn't mean it has any special abilities on its own.
I agree with this anon. Moths usually have no mouth parts, depending on a fat deposit built up as a caterpillar. It has a very specific amount of time to find a mate before it died.
It basically sacrificed itself to relay a message form Gandolf.
It would be corrupted by the ring, only Frodo was a too pure Ingenue who could do it.
How is a moth more corruptible? Is the moth cheating on his moth wife? Is Sauron gonna bribe him with infinite cotton socks?
>How is a moth more corruptible?
No way to fight off the corruption. It's not that the moth wants something, it's that it's so simple it doesn't understand why it WOULDN'T do something, even if that something was killing it. You know how many of these dusty motherfrickers have died literally hammering against a lamp? You wanna know what the most common cause of death for a moth is? Not avoiding the obvious thing in front of it that wants it dead. It just knows "Fly and find food and occasionally frick", how easy would it be to corrupt that?
What suicidal motherfricker trusts a moth to deliver something when there's a giant glowing thing on a stick in its way? Sauron wouldn't even know it was coming before he got eyeball bonked.
Could the Ring corrupt something with no soul? Like for example a robot like C3P0 or Johnny-5 from Short Circuit?
yes, the rings corrupts -everything-, i'm pretty sure if you stuck it inside a tree he tree would start killing squirrels to drink thier blood
That sounds OP. Why did Eru Ilúvatar allow Sauron to override free will like that? Even if one guy like Frodo is allowed to bypass it, it still seems unfair and overpowered..
Morgoth essentially hacked the part of creation that Eru allowed for free will and to make their own choices and taught his apprentice how to do the same before he was slain. Essentially Eru would have to make a being that had no will or thoughts or free will in order to combat it, there's really no way around it. Either he allows the freedom of choice that can be corrupted no matter how strong their heart, because if they are incorruptible they cannot ever truly be considered to have succeeded or overcome, or he creates a being without purpose beyond the directions of his command and the plan would still fail because he would have to directly intervene every step of the way, and at that point he might as well just admit his universe cannot overcome evil.
Interesting..
Is free will canon in the Legendarium? I thought everything is composed from the outset
trees in middle-earth already are huge dicks though. different trees try to kill the hobbits like three times or something.
Yeah, Tom Bombadil stopped that tree that wanted to kill Merry and Pippin
Normal tree it'd do nothing except maybe fall off to be found by someone
Ent it'd make them crazy. They'd probably start a war to cover the world in forest.
It corrupts the mind not the soul so as long as it has sapient thought and can make its own choices it can be corrupted. POSSIBLY a robot that is just following directions might be okay, but it's just as likely Sauron could corrupt that programming. Maybe get some lessons from Voldermort, you know that guy knows Python.
It's a regular ass moth, he's a Maiar who can commune with nature. Same reason he can instant tame Shadowfax who the Rohrrim could not handle.
your a magical moron
Is it an African moth or European?
I don't know that!
You have to know these things when you're a king you know.
The moth is friends with the eagles and it brings them to gandalf. Instead, have the moth sit on the eagle and put the ring on the moth. Then the eagle isnt the one carrying it and wont get corrupted
Brilliant. We can just have boromir carry a lamp that the moth is attracted to constantly. Then the ring won't be able to corrupt anyone until it gets tossed in
The ring would shrink to fit the moth. It would even get lighter because of Pym particles.
A five ounce bird cannot carry a one pound coconut
do you know what happened to the last guy who trusted a moth?
the moth would be corrupted by the Ring. you people are tards.
how? what ambitions can a moth possibly have? the whole premise of lotr is that because hobbits are more basic they cant be corrupted
Make more moths.
Middle earth becomes entirely covered in trillions of moths.
Is that so bad though?
*can't be corrupted as easily
That’s how you get Mothra.
It would get corrupted trying to do good so you'd get Battra, who despite his name is a moth because the japanese be silly.
why didn't Sauron just put the ring around his wiener?
>trusting a moth with The One Ring
Evidently you've never had to deal with those powdery wing-Black folk before. I'd trust you with my wife before I trusted a moth with anything. Filthy, treacherous c**ts.
Butterfly limbs typed this post.
I don't get why some people here are being so rude and underestimative of moths. Moths are cool and good and we definitely should be leaving our outdoor lights on so they can bask by them. We should be feeding them, even. And letting them grow large. A fellowship of moths could easily carry the ring to mount doom. I wouldn't be corrupted at all
>I wouldn't be corrupted at all
What would happen if you ate it, bros?
>Shove the ring up your ass
>whenever you shit, it passes through the ring and turns invisible
>you can literally take invisible shits anywhere you want.
>just go around taking invisible shits in the corner of everybody's house and seeing the smell drive them insane
This is seriously more diabolical than anything Sauron has ever done.
The world would be better off giving Sauron the ring just to keep it away from you.
>slide ring around penis
>thrust upon women
Why not give it to a dragon? They guard treasure with their lives. I'd like to see an uppity chud like sauron try to kill smaug
dragons are the servants of sauron tho
Speedwatcher
read the silmarillion dumb c**t
Servents of melkor not sauron and it wasn't like they were fully enslaved.
Sauron is Melkor's right hand so obviously the dragons would answer him, they are beneath him in the chain of command
Not him but wasn't Glaurung on the same level as Sauron authority-wise?
Might be misremembering but weren't Sauron, Gothmog, and Glaurung Morgoth's top three?
I think I agree with you though, no dragon would be obligated to serve Sauron, though Gandalf was terrified that Smaug would willingly form an alliance with him.
Glaurung is dead, Smaug is merely his spawn, he would definitely obey Sauron if promised gold
>if
That's a contract, not a "serve me because I'm our old master's favorite" deal
Every servant of Morgoth fricked off and went their own ways when he got chained and chucked. It doesn't matter if Sauron was his "right hand" he literally got BTFO by a big dog. Do you really think the remaining dragons would flock to his banner? No. None of them did. Why would they? He's a b***h that got dommed by a large fuzzy dog
First of all, it was a big as frick dog. Second, all things considered Smaug was a fairly small dragon and last of his kind, he was doing jackshit and hated the frick out of dwarfs, I would be shocked if he didn't ally on the spot with Sauron if the later promised him that he could feast on dwarf meat and sleep on their gold
Ok sure, I don't think Sauron would literally wipe Smaug like a horse but he would be the one giving orders
I meanw whip*, i'm sleepy
>First of all, it was a big as frick dog
Get the frick off this board, Sauron, don't you have a world to dominate?
Yea i think they would have allied as well, but not because sauron held some previous power level advantage over smaug
These things are freaking massive
Who would win? Literal divine being capable of taking the form of a werewolf and vampire OR a big doggo?
If Gandalf could take whatever form he wanted, why didn't he just take the form of an amazon delivery driver and deliver the ring to the mountain in a box(frodo is obviously in the box carrying it so gandalf isn't corrupted by it)
I wish I could see the tale of beren and luthien in full glory, but they would ruin it, I just know it. Also i'm pretty sure this THE story the tolkien state will never allow to be adapted
Dont worry, anon. I will do it justice one day
> at the end of LotR, Sauron is reduced to a shadow, unable to exert any influence on the world around him
> he ends up on Cinemaphile
Bravo Tolkien. I bet Sauron fills out the janitor application and gets rejected every time.
Giving the ring to a dragon would be almost as bad as giving it to Sauron
>Why not give it to a dragon?
It's literally a plotpoint in the Hobbit that Sauron(Just "The necromancer" at the time) and Smaug had to be fought and defeated at the same time because if either of them sensed the other was in danger they'd rush to help out.
Smaug would give him the ring in a heartbeat because he knows Sauron would give him all the gold he could want.
Keeping the ring guarded doesn't help them. Same as hiding it or throwing it in the ocean. Sauron is about to win without the ring and can only be stopped by destroying it.
Fun fact: The moth species is called a Dumbledore
This is one of my favorit passages of the book, it is basically Sam btfo'ing the ring so hard it shut the frick up
His thought turned to the Ring, but there was no comfort there, only dread and danger. No sooner had he come in sight of Mount Doom, burning far away, than he was aware of a change in his burden. As it drew near the great furnaces where, in the deeps of time, it had been shaped and forged, the Ring's power grew, and it became more fell, untameable except by some mighty will. As Sam stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, a vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor. He felt that he had from now on only two choices: to forbear the Ring, though it would torment him; or to claim it, and challenge the Power that sat in its dark hold beyond the valley of shadows. Already the Ring tempted him, gnawing at his will and reason. Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur. And then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. In that hour of trial it was his love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command. 'And anyway all these notions are only a trick, he said to himself.
>the ring is all powerful none can defy its draw
>except sam
>and gandalf
>and faramir
>and aragorn
>and elrond
>and galadriel
>and grond
of these, only Sam came in direct contact of the ring, Galadriel almost lost it the moment she saw the ring
i'm pretty sure if the ring had stayed in Lothlorien she would eventually claim it for herself and march towards gorgoroth, same for Elrond
Everyone would be Corrupted with time it's just a matter of how long.
The more powerful the easier it corrupts it seems that's why gandalf won't even touch it. So galadriel managing to resist being offered even for a moment was a big deal for her.
>>and galadriel
b***h went crazy the moment she saw it.
>Faramir
Probably my least favorite Jackson change. Well that and Denethor. It's funny because Jackson's Boromir is actually better or at least on par with the one in the book so I'm wondering what went wrong.
Literally only resisted by the greatest of their time. Look at Smeagol to see what normally happens
>tldr: here's how much of a simple-minded hayseed Sam is compared to literally everybody else
based Sam... I read the books when I was 10 and the only thing that truly stuck in my mind are the Sam scenes from the moment the Orcs take Frodo from the spider until the moment he rescues him
>Nope
>'ate tricks
>'ate gollum
>'ate rings
>'ate visions of glory (not a coward, just don't like 'em)
>luv me garden
>luv me ale
>luv me Rosie
>simple as
its to heavy
Why didn’t they just cyber bully sauron so he’d be too embarrassed to show his face in middle earth ever again
Why didn't the fellowship just invent ballistic missiles and fire the ring into Mt Doom?
Barad-dur has ABM interceptors. Did you even watch the movies?!
It tempts with your deepest desire
So it'd Corrupt the moth with the biggest lamp on middle earth. The Eye of sauron.
And it'd fly right into it
The real answer is that men, who were soon to inherit the earth, would have learned nothing…as it stood, they were introduced into the story as desiring power above all else, and ended it with kneeling to the lowest of all races
If Smaug got the ring it would be perfect for Sauron. The dwarven rings actually backfired, they corrupt the dwarfs yes, however, it makes their greed and love for gold bigger which leads to them being more protective and aggressive towards those who seek their holds. So, in the end, the rings only made the dwarfs hate and fight Sauron even more.
If Smaug had the ring he would want even more gold and would atack every single dwarven kingdom instead of sitting his butt under the lonely mountain for hundreds of years
It made dwarfs greedy and with that they became distrustful of all outsiders.
This meant they weren't very willing to help the free people's against sauron. They were too busy obsessing over their greed. This helped sauron
Also this greed is what caused the dwarfs of moria to delve too deep and awaken the balrog destroying the greatest most powerful dwarven kingdom completely. Another win for sauron
Throughout the films, characters keep talking about "using the ring" to do achieve great stuff. Like Boromir and (film) Faramir talking about using it against Sauron. But what do they think they could achieve? Suppose for a second that Sauron and the Nazgul could not see you when you put on the ring - could a single invisible man really make any significant difference in the war?
No, that is the thing, it is all a trick see
The ring is basically whispering lies in your ear. It is literally useless to everyone except Sauron.
How does Sauron use it? It doesn't even turn him invisible
It literally IS him. Frick, out the top of my head the only analogy I can think of is like in Darkstalkers, because Morrigan was too powerful they split a part of her and it made Lilith, and if Morrigan absorbs Lilith again she will be the most powerful thing ever.
That is basically Sauron and the ring, he put all his will into it and he wants to be whole again
Sauron existed previously to creating the ring though, so how are they identical? What is the point of putting his will into an object if that only makes him more vulnerable?
It's just bad writing.
concentrating his evil will into the ring focused it and let him wield it as a weapon. it also gave him power over the users of the other rings he made
That is the trick part. No one can bring themselves to destroy the ring because it corrupts the mind and since no one can destroy it it, Sauron is basically immortal.
Not even Frodo could do it, the ring was only destroyed by pure luck or Eru's (God) intervention making Gollum slip out of the cliff.
It made him more powerful. And he didn't ever consider someone might kill him. He was basically a god on earth. So he thought who could possibly defeat him.
He loses due to his arrogance with isildur and again with the lotr time period. He believes nobody would want to destroy the ring. And certainly not a weak little hobbit. So he never prepared for it
>Sauron existed previously to creating the ring though, so how are they identical?
But he couldn't corrupt the other Ringbearers, who were the leaders of their various tribes. He sought to control all of them at the same time and corrupt the world through their influence, without the One Ring To Rule Them All, they could've overcome him.
With this, their greatest weapons were not just useless, they actively turned against them.
Also the power over the other rings extended to the entire races of elves and men and dwarfs. Not only controlling the wearer it would erode and weaken their entire domain. Corrupting them, instilling fear and hopelessness. destroying their resolve and determination to fight.
Gosh that sounds familiar. Who else acts like that?
white people
Because one's spirit in Tolkien is a finite thing that can be depleted. Morgoth goes from being strong enough to fight all the Valar single handed, to being curb-checked in the war of wrath because he spends too much of his spirit corrupting creation. The Ring is how Sauron tries to cheat that; it allows him to preserve his spirit that would otherwise wane over time.
It's also why the destruction of the ring means the end of the elves in middle earth. Their kingdoms were being preserved by simmilar means. And when the power of the one ring was broken, they would fade as well.
It's effects differ depending on the user.
Weaker beings it does little. Ie hobbits.
But for higher beings like gandalf it would be much more powerful.
Basically it works off the users power potential.
For sauron it's a part of his soul. He is only half alive without it but if he got it he'd be complete and have his entire strength.
It's not that they know or it would do anything for them.
It's that it gets in their heads and warps their minds into believing it would. It makes them believe all their desires, goals and dreams will be possible if only they had the ring.
The rings obviously do something.
The ring that Galadriel had sustained Lothlorian for the longest time. And she knew that if she had the one ring, she could save her waning society and the elves could continue living in Middle Earth. That's why her rejecting the offer of the one ring is so significant.
Maybe the ring just subtly influences society as a whole, making it powerful and commanding.
The One doesn't do shit except corrupting, the other rings however do empower the bearer yes.
The One Right obviously does something. It makes hobbits invisible. I think it's implied that if Aragorn wore it he would be able to command the unquestioning loyalty of Men merely by speaking to them, ala what Saruman does but hypercharged to be irresistible.
I mean, it does things but it does in order to accomplish its objective which is returning to Sauron.
Like, yes, it extended Bilbo life but then so what? Bilbo already felt he was getting spread thin by it, if he stayed with this "blessing" he would eventually end up like Gollum, living for hundreds of years staring at the ring
It didn't do jack shit for Isildur. It made him invisible for a bit then got him killed by low level mobs. And the stupid thing got itself lost for thousands of years because of it
It was waiting is all. Once it felt saurons presence again it made moves
It could have corrupted him. Have him turn his entire kingdom towards the services of Sauron and start worshipping evil. When Sauron returned, he'd have a red velvet carpet awaiting his arrival instead
If sauron was present then it probably would've but because he wasn't it basically went into hibernation. Idk details but might be that it wasn't as powerful without saurons presence in the world.
>It could have corrupted him
It DID corrupt him, his kingdom fell into ruin because of it.
It goes down different in the books he was alot more good.
When he was ambushed he was on his way to rivendel to seek elronds counsel on what to do with it. And during the ambush even after his son is killed his only intention is to get the ring to rivendel he only uses the ring when he is emplored by his companion to with alot of reluctance
>Hey, Elrond, what should I do with the ring?
>I gave you crystal clear instructions you little shit why are you in my house
"Elrond, please my old friend, I seek council."
"I will have none of this buffoonery! You know what you must do!"
"Then speak the words, friend! Tell me so I may see it so!"
"By my father's sword if I find out this is some sort of mockery of my crown I will see to it your kingdom burns!"
"Such harsh words! Are the Elves not of the kinder folk? Where is your wisdom? Where is your grace?"
"Do you speak truly?"
"As truly as the dawn, my old friend! As truly as the dawn! Tell me, what must I do!"
"Very well... Isildur, you must cast it into the fire!"
Isildur smiles.
"No, it's mine."
He vanishes.
"FRICKING MEN!"
>YOU'RE FRICKING WEAK, ISILDUR! YOU HEAR ME, YOU INVISIBLE PRICK?! WEAK!
>And she knew that if she had the one ring, she could save her waning society and the elves could continue living in Middle Earth.
How would she do it though? How would invisibility help her accomplish this?
The ring's primary use was to enslaved the other rings. It's reasonable to say that it's power is controlling the will of others. I don't remember where, but I'm pretty sure the ring also empowers the wearer's abilities they already have. The reason hobbits turn invisible is because they're already naturally stealthy. If boromir were to get it, it likely would make him a great and powerful warrior and commander, rather than make him invisible
The ring preys on your own power fantasies and basically gives you Wall Street criminal-tier mega balls to accomplish whatever you want with the indomitable will of a contrarian minor God at your back.
So even the most pure of heart will feel compelled to put on the ring and use it for "good" while it slowly corrupts their perspective and makes them an jltra-sociopath with no moral compass but the ring's will.
Yeah?
The Ring has most of Sauron's soul and/or spirit bound up in it. So if you could gain mastery over the Ring, you would gain Sauron's powers. You would be able to control people's minds for a start. There's a good chance you could just make the army of orcs bow down before you.
Problem is, this is not a magic item in the sense of a RPG game where you get X bonus for putting it on. This is the soul of a primordial spirit bound to the material world through the sorcery of one who apprenticed to basically Satan. It's not just going to take orders from anyone. You need to have the strength of will and the potency of spirit to bend the damn thing to your bidding.
Why didn't they kidnap goldberry and threaten to kill her if Tom Bombadill didn't take the ring to Morder?
That little moth was cute as hell.
Why didn't he just teleport to Mordor with the ring?
If Dumbledore were there, he could just fly the ring to mt doom on his broomstick. What kind of wizard doesn't have a broomstick? Gandalf's so lame
Dumbledore shoved on a dodgy ring he knew voldemort had very likely made dangerous without a second thought.
You think he wouldn't put the one ring on within a minute?
So are you guys telling me, that if Saruman hadn't turned evil, and all five wizards came together, and Bilbo stopped being a tard prancing around the shire wearing the ring and spying on teenage girls and actually told them he had it, that they together couldn't force their way into mordor and destroy the ring? Shouldn't the five wizards together be able to destroy whole cities and armies?
The wizards are forbidden from using all their power because the last time someone got that uppity a whole continent had to be sunk under the ocean.
The wizard's mission was the guide and teach the free people's of middle earth how to fend for themselves without relying on magic. They were allowed to actually use powers only in the case of an unfair treat (like the Balrog in moriah).
This is why while it makes sense to remove the scouring of the shire from the movie for obvious reasons, it kinda loses a bit of the message since Gandalf basically says
>look, I helped you to defeat satan's right hand, now go solve your problems yourselves, I won't be here forever
But then what would you have them do about Saruman?
Kill him, like they did
His death in the movie was moronic and on the scale of boba fett getting chucked into the sarlaac. He needed a fitting death or at least to be shown much later as a withered decrepit thing only worthy of pity like he became as Sharky
To be fair though in the extended edition where he falls and just smacks into the spiky wheel is hilarious. The sound effect and how brunt the impact is made me laugh. Having such a powerful and imposing figure die like that
Does Saruman even die in the normal cut? I don't remember
I think they just comment that he locked the doors of Orthanc and they can't get to him but his power is gone and he's not an issue. Then he's not brought up again. Pretty weird
No you don't even see him. Gimli suggests to kill him but gandalf says no as he has no power now. And instructs treebeard to guard him
What was done was gandalf was given sarumans job basically. Made the white wizard and most powerful. So he could defeat saruman whereas before he was out matched by him.
They aren't allowed to use their powers directly like that. Only to guide the free people's against sauron. Using their power sparingly.
However if the wizards did all come together then they'd probably make destroying the ring quicker and less challenging. Not by directly taking the ring themselves but like gandalf did alone. Directing forces. Organising etc
Who would stop them though? Would Iluvatar strike them down with lightning or something if they actually did something? What was the point of giving them powers to begin with then?
>Would Iluvatar strike them down with lightning or something if they actually did something?
yes
>What was the point of giving them powers to begin with then?
In case of an emergency (Balrog, Dragon, Shelob)
>Who would stop them though?
They might end up like Saurmon and not allowed back in the nice happy place, abusing their powers like that is a big no no.
>Would Iluvatar strike them down with lightning or something if they actually did something?
He probably just would turn off their powers or not resurrect them like he did Gandalf.
>What was the point of giving them powers to begin with then?
Well you see before the whole men thing came around Morgoth was absolutely fricking shit up and he kind of needed to tip the scales. The LOTR level stuff was pretty bad and all but he needed someone who could actually stand up to the frickoff dragons.
Honestly I think the whole Silmarillion backstory just ruins LotR. It made more sense before wizards were immortal agents of god himself. They should just be an order of magic users.
But then there's no reason not to be far more magic users. If they can make magical staffs and potions and such, no reason others can't.
Unless those are super well kept guild secrets
>what was the point of giving them powers
The actual reason is they already had their power before being sent to middle earth. They are miar. Angels basically. So they have power as standard.
Then when they were sent to middle earth they were given instructions to not intervene in things too much. To act as guides and influence people. Using their wisdom not their strength.
They're not army level beings, even five Maiar couldn't beat ten thousand orcs and overcome the will of Sauron at the same time.
They couldn't and wouldn't.
Which is a shame. Gandalf with the ring or Saruman the Black would be a series to surpass LOTR
As these anons said, they couldn't use their full power. Also, goblins, orks and Sauron's other allies were already mobilized and taking key positions in Middle Earth. It would have been easier to destroy the ring during Bilbo's Hobbit era when Sauron's forces weren't as spread out.
Hobbits are unironically the key to stopping the ring. Only a people as simple and humble as the hobbits could resist the ring while adventuring to Mordor. We know the ring would have corrupted Saruman, I'm not sure how the other wizards would have fared. I'm sure if they would have been corrupted the rest of Middle Earth would stand no chance.
>I'm not sure how the other wizards would have fared
Didn't the blue wizards frick off to the east and do literally nothing of value at all? Eventually falling into the same ending that Suruman got?
We don't know, I assume they went to Harad and got corrupted by Haradrim pussy or something
Didn't Tolkien imply at some point that they were having their own epic adventure trying to create a rebellion among the easterlings to reject Sauron?
Why didn't Gandalf grow turbojets on the bottom of his feet and fly to Mount Doom like Iron Man?
Why didn't the Flash go faster than light and travel back to the Third Age and run the Ring into Mount Doom at Mach 50?
Why didn't Captain Kirk fly the Ring into Mount Doom?
Why didn't Ripley nuke Barad Dur from orbit? It would be the only way to be sure.
Why didn't Boromir just grow a pair?
Why didn't Boromir frick Frodo?
Why didn't Boromir kidnap Frodo and rape him over and over and over?
Why why why?
Why didn't Gandalf just magic the ring away to Mordor?
Why didn't they get some magma from mount doom then bring it back and destroy the ring with it?
Uhhhh well if they were going to mount Doom to collect lava they may aswell just bring the ring and throw it in
But no one would be corrupted
So I assume it'd be kept in rivendell in this scenario.
By staying there for so long it would corrupt the elves and anyone near it.
Also it was no secret that the ring was there. So eventually rivendell would be attacked.
this is just cope.
I haven't even asked how you think they will get lava back to base without it solidifying
Gandalf keeps heating it up with his magic staff
So he doesn't sleep then the whole journey back
He sleeps with half his brain at a time, like birds or dolphins.
This is canon. We see him do it in RotK when he is sleeping in Theoden's hall with the Palantir in his hands. In any case, the journey isn't that long by eagle.
His eyes were open but he was asleep and unaware of his surroundings. Therefore he wouldn't be able to keep the magma liquid like this
Why can't he just melt the ring directly then?
Wouldn't you want it solidify first?
>Dredge some magma up
>Let it crystallize
>Carry the crystal back home
>Heat it up to destroy the ring
>Let it solidify again and keep it around in case you need it for any other magical artifacts
solved. frick Tolkien. I bet he regretted introducing the eagles for the rest of his life.
We're the Eagles a reference for usa in ww1?
Need to know though if it's just the magma required or the whole place to work
The frick? What would the rock even do in this scenario? It's no longer the fires of Mount Doom, is it? It's the fires of whatever bullshit they used to reheat it. If they can make fires that hot and those fires will work, why do they need the magma at all?
How are you going to carry magma from mount doom without getting caught?
Sauron would've blasted it out of the air with his powerful raps
>Moth gets attracted to the giant glowing eyeball and damns Middle Earth
I wanna frick a moth so bad bros
Glue a led light strip to your dick
In some sense, though I do not know how to specify which, this is sort of based. Perhaps even redpilled.
You should see the female body they gave her in the game. That moth is thicc
They should have just given the ring back to Gollum. He managed to hide it successfully for hundreds of years without getting corrupted.
It was more like he got so Corrupted it couldn't even get him to take it to sauron. He was so obsessed it couldn't influence him out of hiding and stroking it
Why did Radaghast not help Gandalf or the fellowship?
Radaghast lost track of his mission, he became too fond of plants and animals
But they started cutting down the trees and killing the animals
That was his mission wasn't it? To care for plants and animals etc
No, he mission was to help out the free people's of middle earth, but he became autistic about plants and animals
He would've but gandalf didn't include him. Maybe he had no use really
Now I want to see an alternate take with Radaghast fighting the Baglrog
Apparently by that point he'd literally addled his mind in nature so much he lost his sense of self. He was basically a part of his minor ecosystem there, he wouldn't have been able to leave it for the journey.
Too high on shrooms all the time
>not our problem
I will see you in time
Reminder that Middle Earth had a very efficient postal service as depicted by Bilbo Baggins receiving mail regarding his birthday. Gandalf had the ring in an envelope all that was needed was and address and a stamp.
Isildur had the ring in his possession for like two and a half years, fully aware of its origin, and there is no mention of it making him crazy or corrupting him. You tards act like the ring is constantly shooting out EVILNESS LASERS that would cause an otherwise-clueless giant bird to decide it's time to conquer Earth
>Isildur had the ring in his possession for like two and a half years, fully aware of its origin, and there is no mention of it making him crazy or corrupting him
One, yes there is he literally lead his kingdom to ruin.
Two, this was when Sauron was so weakened the ring was essentially sleeping, it is even pointed out Bilbo could use it for decades but once Sauron gained enough of his power the shift was enough that even a few weeks could twist you into something foul.
Besides that, Eagles are the same as Maiar, meaning that everything Gandalf said and what we saw with Galadrial would happen to them, and both made it clear it would be near instant like it was with smeogal. Stronger you are the quicker it happens, and they're essentially angels.
>what do they eat?
>why didn't the eagles?
>why didn't the moth?
any other great autistic questions for LotR? they crack me up
>why didn't frodo just give the ring back to sauron? It was his ring
It wasn't his problem
I don't remember this scene in harry potter
>BBBBIIIIILLLLLLBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOO
he said calmy
>DID YOU FRICKING FIND A RING IN THE CAVES BILBO? You expect me to believe you got past all those goblins on your own, you sly c**t. You're a sneaky israelite, Bilbo, old friend, but not THAT sneaky!
Gandalf stretched his legs across the room
>and what was all that at the battle of five armies? Hmm?
>>they WON'T see me?
>I WONDER WHY BILBO? I WONDER WHY YOU HAVE LOOKED SO YOUNG ALL THIS TIME? IT'S BEEN 50 YEARS SINCE THAT SHIT WITH THE DRAGON AND YOU HAVEN'T AGED A DAY! VERY CURIOUS. I know you have a magic ring, you fricking daft ass. That stunt you pulled at the party. well, I must admit it was quite funny, BUT THESE RINGS ARE NO LAUGHING MATTER!
>50 POINTS TO THE BAGGINSES
>Tell me now or I'll award 200 points to the Sackville-Bagginses. SPEAK!