why didnt he nuke the fricking planet to kill off paul
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why didnt he nuke the fricking planet to kill off paul
why didnt he nuke the fricking planet to kill off paul
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and destroy the spice? the thing that runs the universal economy?
paul used atomics and what does nuking sand even do create more sand? who cares
atomics are outlawed in the dune universe's version of the genova convention. in the book paul gets away with this by only using them to blow up the shield wall and not killing any humans with them which is still technically allowed
in the movie they skip this and have the great houses refuse to acknowledge him as emperor BECAUSE he used nukes
The movie made me think the point was nukes didn't directly work on shields but rocks falling on them did, been ages since I read the book
the nukes were used to open a breach in the Shield Wall mountains protecting Arrakeen so the Fremen could launch an attack with sandworms under the cover of a sandstorm blowing up at the same time. It was miles away and no giant CGI rocks landed among the Sardaukar like Helm's deep.
did that trigger you?
I guess I confused it with the freiren anime where rocks are harder to stop with shields than normal magic, but I swear there was rocks
To add to this, a huge theme of the book that didn't make it into the films is taboo. No thinking machines, no atomic weapons, no sub-atomic fusion, even by accident (I don't think the DUNC movies even explain what that is), never sheath a chrysknife without letting it taste blood, don't spit at someone's feet, etc. There's a scene in the book where someone tells Paul that during a raid, someone shot a shield with a lasgun and the blast killed everyone. Paul is horrified, but everyone else is thrilled, because the explosion killed way more foes than friends, even by the fremen's insane kill:death ratio, and Paul marvels that the fremen don't have the same taboo as him.
Taboo is a theme in the films. It's just not explicitly portrayed because it's taboo. These cultural feelings subtly permeate throughout the films. People in real life don't provide exposition on taboos every time the taboo comes up.
Literally every time I try to shame an arab woman by making her shake my hand some other arab steps in and explains to me why its taboo.
The real question is why the emperor would come to a planet in the middle of a war instead of sending his lieutenant. If he has so much power he can do everything without risking anything.
>No thinking machines, no atomic weapons, no sub-atomic fusion, even by accident
That's dumb considering the fact that almost everyone throughout the galaxy was going to get killed by Paul's jihad anyway.
>Genova convention
Paul used Atomics because the Harkonnes are all packed in one place, not spread out all over the planet like the Fremen are.
I hate this garbage adaptation but at least pay attention if you're gonna try and poke holes in it.
Paul didn't nuke anyone moron
Those nukes barely had any blast on them. Even if he shoot all 93 it would do nothing to a planet that big, except maybe kill off all the worms via radiation poisoning.
They didn't have to nuke all the fremen, just Paul.
If they nuked Paul the fremen would treat him as a Martyr and go full Jihad.
They were unstoppable by that point, Paul's whole deal is he's trying to control them and mitigate the damage as much as possible.
The movies don't seem to make this part of his inner conflict as important as it is in the books.
The movie skips over a lot of what actually drives the ending.
1. Paul had a plan in place to instantly destroy spice production forever, and the Fremen were crazy enough to do it. Instantly ends interstellar travel for humanity.
2. The Spacing Guild (which lowkey controls everything) was aware of that, and as a result forbade anyone from attacking Arrakis. There was a fleet ready to wipe Paul off the map but the Guild told them to frick off under penalty of being stranded on a hostile desert planet.
3. The Emperor had no real sway over the Guild (although he didn't quite realize that,) and Irulan agreed to marry Paul when she saw her father was about to come to blows with them.
4. Very technically, use of atomics against people is outlawed. Paul split hairs by using them against fortifications and realized that the Guild wouldn't let anyone call him out on his bullshit.
5. It's not a clean ending. Paul becomes Emperor and his religious fanatics 9/11+1488 mankind, but all the institutions who traditionally held power resent him for it and are out to get him.
tl;dr: he who controls the spice controls the universe
To add to this it is not quite clear in the movie, but the Guild already dealt with the Fremen on the side and essentially disabled mapping of the southern hemisphere/pole and traded spice with the Fremen directly.
So they're much more of an independent entity with their own goals than the movie lets on.
It is also a reason why they become one of the scheming factions in Messiah.
Right, any time you hear about smugglers in Dune their real purpose is shipping spice straight to the Guild and cutting out the middleman. The Fremen were already terraforming parts of the southern desert and their deal with the Guild kept that secret.
I wish they'd gotten a different "good" director to do these movies. Via-noove's style of negative space and long silences doesn't work well for a story where people are constantly talking. Also it was fricking strange they made Kynes a woman but also turned Jessica from a stone b***h to a crybaby in the first movie.
I hate what they did to Jessica the most. She was a badass in the books. But I'm just a racist misogynist what do I know.
lmao @ the victim complex of rightoids
>calls woman a badass
>rightoid
Is there any way to escape being a right winger bros?
Normal people don't add to the end of their post how everyone calls them racist you ill rightoid
homosexual
Hope you get the help you need
Where is it you think you are, trannoid?
Must be frustrating to not be able to downvote posts.
Go back.
>lmao @ the victim complex of rightoids
What? The problem is the movie makes her evil as frick, she and paul aren't evil nothing they do truly is. It's merely survival, the Fremen aren't some noble savages that are being exploited, the messiah prophecy is certainly manipulative but think about the type of people that desire a fricking jihad in the first place, people like ISIS or any of the true massacres arabs have committed over the years. They would do it under any excuse, the point of Dune at least the books is that everyone is trying to control the systems in place for their own benefit. Each system of control an attempt to take choice away from others as much as possible, Paul and Jessica are probably the least terrible people in the whole book despite what the movie would have you believe, and they only changed it because making Mudslimes look bad isn't woke.
The frick are you babbling about
I understood it perfectly, you must be a moron.
That's how his letter got to the emperor. But yeah movie really needed to explain it better.
this guy actually read the books
That's the problem with the movies, they're great adaptations of slightly-more-in-depth-than-usual wikipedia summaries of the plot instead of the books themselves.
Dune universe sucks balls
>Lawrence of Arab- uhhh... of Arrakis™
>feudalism but... in space
>jihad but... in space
>vgh i am become space hitler xd
>spice trade... in space (but spice = magic whenever I feel like it cuz why not lol)
>soldiers armed with knives and swords but... in space
>jews on a fricking synagogue planet out of the blue
>gentically acquired magical powers (???) because uhhh prophecies (in space)
>topic of technology handled in an embarrassing, to say the least, fashion
>I TURNED MYSELF INTO A SPACEWORM, MONEO! I'M SPACEWORM LETO!!!!
This is just a mix of sillyness and rehashed historical tropes, and when Herbert ran out of the latter (amerilard eduaction strikes again) he wrote nothing but nonsense and incest fanfics.
Dune fricking sucks and americans are cattle for making such shitty literature so big
The only good American scifi wirters are PKD and Ellison
Who are toy quoting?
>all this without even mentioning the writing of dune messiah where every character has a 2 page monologue about the social, sexual and geopolitical implications of when another character asks to be excused so they can take a shit
>>jews on a fricking synagogue planet out of the blue
just admit that this is the only bit that truly triggered your chud fragility and made you decide that you now have to despise Dune.
>just admit that this is the only bit that truly triggered your chud fragility and made you decide that you now have to despise Dune.
shalom israelite
kind of revealing yourself by being triggered by that
>feudalism but... in space
this is kino though
of Arab- uhhh... of Arrakis™
but... in space
but... in space
>>vgh i am become space hitler xd
trade... in space (but spice = magic whenever I feel like it cuz why not lol)
armed with knives and swords but... in space
>>jews on a fricking synagogue planet out of the blue
acquired magical powers (???) because uhhh prophecies (in space)
We're you trying to make dune sound incredibly based?
wtf I love dune now
the films are on a different timeline from the source material
Stop posting this shit. The implication in the book is obviously that he'll claim his other birthright as a Harkonnen heir, not just say "heh, nothin personnel grandpa" and stab him
they're clearly different timelines the writers even said so
Yes, it's obvious that's what Frank was intending when he wrote that line.
However the description of that future is still very vague, which leaves it up for interpretation for the reader to decide.
Either way, it makes room for an excuse if the Messiah movie & whatever comes after shits the bed, although it's very likely they'll end up being very close to the books story-wise (at least for the major story beats).
some anon had prescience yesterday
>there won't be any Leto or Ghanima
i love denis, i love dunc
but if he does this, he's genuinely dead to me
there's definitely an insider lurking here, there were posts from even before part one was released where anon made some remarkably lucid predictions about part two
Yeah movie cuts way too much. It's basically fanservice for people who already know the books.
At least everybody will shut up with Mary Sue and white savior crap after the ending of part 3.
Finally, a poster with some media literacy.
he used 3 nukes dumbass, hardly even borders "nuking the entire fricking planet". Leveling a patch of dirt
Nuking sand kills the worms which kills the spice. You also turn the spice that exists radioactive.
People need to consume it to navigate space so that’s bad.
Spice is the only reason to care about the butthole of space to begin with. It’s what they’re fighting over. If you ruin it why even fight in the first place just go home.
i'm no genius but i'd just take worm samples and try at creating the same environments on other planets
That would take millions of years to build create even a substitute for spice
aren't the tleilaxu making spice in their tanks like 1000 after the events of this film?
Not that anon, but this would have been a Heretics/Chapterhouse thing, no? So that's 5000 years after Paul died.
5000 years is still a lot closer to 1000 years than it is to millions of years so I remain right.
too much spice usage makes your body dependent on it and you will die from withdrawal
i doubt anyone besides the space guild would have enough stockpiled to last them the 5000 years or however long it would take to start up the spice cycle on another planet
shut up nerd it's 10kAD and we gotta start somewhere otherwise manage this bottleneck forever
>10k AD
Read the books, moron
within 5000 years of Dune they successfully transplanted sandworms and spice production to another planet, created synthetic melange, invented ships that don't need prescient steersmen, and created an aquatic version of the sandworm (last part is gay Brian Herbert stuff)
No it wouldn't. Arrakis was made in a few thousand years.
the exact relationship between worms and spice isn't widely known, but even then, they tried for years, but failed to realize that Dune has as much water as any other inhabitable world, it's just all tied up in the worm/spice cycle
they kept bringing worms to other desert worlds, and it kept not working
at the end of Heretics, someone finally realizes that they need to bring worms to a world with rain and grasslands
Liet Kynes was one of the first to work it our but he died before he told more than a few Fremen
Wait, doesn't water kill them?
the sandtrout phase of the lifecycle locks up water so the big worms never meet it. it could be that the life form was designed as an ecology killing weapon by parties unknown
Infant form of worms trap it, creating sandy environment. Then they can reach adult form (worms).
I guess, but maybe worse for humanity, especially if those apocalyptic visions of killer machines (not necessarily evil AIs, but some kind of planet busting superweapons) are true.
Any Fremen worth his water would choose extinction over what Big Leto does to them
>To the cultural anthropologist, one of the most disheartening aspects of the Museum Fremen was their commercialization and cheapening of the society whose ways they were intended to preserve. While Leto forbade any selling within the Museum Fremen villages themselves, rings of vendors' stands sprang up circling the mock sietches; there one could buy plastic crysknives and maker hooks, clearly stamped with their planet of manufacture — Giedi Prime. Stuffed toys in the shape of sandworms, sietch models to be cut out and assembled, stillsuited dolls — all were available to the tourist desiring a souvenir but not worried much about its authenticity. In the surrounding shops, one could have his fortune told by a "Sayyadina" or see panoramic displays of scenes from the life of Paul Muad'Dib, eat baklava or drink "spiced" (cinnamon-flavored) coffee. Yet worst of all was the reenactment of Fremen ritual, such as the Ceremony of the Seed, or the consecration of the Water of Life, not annually as had been the case when the rites were meaningful, but on the hour before bleachersful of pilgrims.
>The Museum Fremen contained the worst of two possibilities: they possessed neither a fun-loving spirit of make-believe nor a genuine reverence for the past: their villages were carnivals without gaiety and rituals without respect. Among the excesses and follies of Emperor Leto's long reign, the Museum Fremen must be counted one of the most degrading.
Turbo nerd spotted
We prefer the term mentat tyvm
I prefer dooner
Lmao is this real?
it from picrel, a fine example of pre-internet sci fi autism.
by evacuating the harkonnens from arrakis and making the atreides go there with nothing he already showed that he cares more about killing paul than maintaining spice production
A limited reduction in spice production to eliminate a threat is not the same as all spice production stopping forever
The spacing guild didn't care because they got their money and just buy spice directly from Fremen smugglers
Another dune slop thread
someone post the zendaya wojak
>tfw Lisan Al Ghaib fricks Princess pussy instead after you undermine him throughout the film
That's not a wojak, that's LA CREATURA DE LAS AMERICAS.
shes beautiful chud!
>I'M ACTING
Her expression doesn't change what the frick is this acting
You should smile more
Honestly I really like the romantic theme, it's beautiful
shame the actress is such a tasteless miss-casting
>WHAAAAAT IIIIIIII'VE
>DOOOOOOOOOOOONE
>I'LL FACE MYSELF
I walked out of the theater after this scene
I'm cringing so hard my nails are coming off
God damn she's ugly aren't movie stars supposed to be beautiful what am I paying money for to look at a fricking four out of 10 for 3 hours I'd rather mace myself then pay to see this fricking movie
>ugh, this female character looks so ugly when she makes an unflattering angry expression
CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIN
Fricking awful acting
Spacing guild (who are completely omitted) wouldn't let him because it would destroy the spice.
Soacign guild is in Part 1
They’re hanging around, but I don’t think it’s ever explicitly stated who they are. I also wasnn’t aware until watching the Lynch version that the reason the Emperor went to Arrakis himself is because the Spacing Guild had the authority to tell him to handle the shit himself.
he probably would have but he wasn't expecting paul to come at him like he did
For me, it's the planet-buster.
>absolutely genius my son!
>we never knew we could just shoot the fremen
>you truly are the likes of Napoleon and Alexander the Great
If they had a dozen of these things scouring the desert they could have ended the uprising before it started. The Baron deliberately set Raban up for failure so he would be the fall-guy for when Feyd swoops in with his floating avocados. Not sure if it's considered DUNC canon but that's the way it was in the book (minus the 'cados).
when i heard petrol avocado say this shit i laughed
looks like shit
Those explosions looked really good.
>old fashioned artillery bros!
>point blank rocket fire from a floating gunship
Denis had someone on his team read the book. I'm not sure he read it himself.
Artillery barrages make me so fricking horny
>filename
Can anyone explain why for some reason this feels more real and heavy than most other sci-fi movies? I had the same feeling with Villeneuve's Blade Runner, i dont know how he does it compared to Star Wars or Marvel.
Sound. Great sound sells everything.
>year 10191
>still use missiles, swords(muh shields) and bullets
haha, let me guess, they also use some kind of fusion to spin a wheel to make electricity?
point and laugh
if it ain't broke don't fix it
>5500 years of human civilization
>swords and blades were used for that long until firearms got invented in the last 500 years
Yes
is Walken only in this movie because of the Fat Boy Slim video?
haha don't be shocked
WEAPON OF CHOICE
Two reasons:
1) Nukes could/probably would endanger spice production
2) Atomics are a big no-no even for literally who houses to use on eachother - much less the Emperor to use on their own subjects. This would have created a much more precarious situation than simply launching a ground campaign against a disloyal house
Why did they let Paul waltz in
The spice must flow on
The nuke scene was almost as bad as Oppenheimer. He stares at fricking 3 detonate without any effect.
christopher walken looks like the old woman from titanic now..
ah man the strong girlboss warrior movie, based on the critically acclaimed strong girlboss-centered book series "Dune"
>nuke
I imagined when reading the books the futuristic atomics to be different to ours. Like the missiles make a strange pulsating noise when fired and when hitting their target, emit a greenish glow. Something to convey that even when you find something seemingly familiar in 10-20,000 years later like atomics, they still aren't the same.
your imagination sounds cringe
>cringe
How?
When the Duke of Tradies in the first movie kept talking about "desert power", was it a subtle hint for Paul to look in the desert for the nukes? Wouldn't the nukes have been useful when the bald guys just wiped out the Tradies in a single night and they had no defenses but one turret?
No, desert power was using the Fremen to bolster their forces
I know you're being stupid on purpose but that is a good point; why even have the nuclear contingency option if you aren't going to use it? The Harkonnens tried to wipe out the Atreides and their forces to the last man and nearly succeeded, why didn't anyone launch the nukes? Also how does nuclear mutually assured destruction work to balance power when everyone's based in completely different star systems and nobody can travel between them without the consent of the spacing guild which has a total monopoly on space travel?
Actually why didn't the spacing guild take direct control of the source of the spice themselves? Who the frick could stop them from doing anything? Why don't THEY rule the universe? Literally no interstellar activity can happen without their consent and assistance
>why even have the nuclear contingency option if you aren't going to use it?
In the books, because using atomics against humans is forbidden. The movies nullify it by having the Great Houses outright refuse to accept Paul, but in the book, Paul realises that in order for his initial victory at Arrakeen to be worth a damn, he needs to use loopholes, which is that the nukes were only targeted at a natural geographical feature (the Shield Wall), not humans. Although if you want to be pedantic, you could say that, of course, the Harkonnens or the Emperor would have had the Shield Wall manned like a castle wall as lookouts.
I know they forbid using nuclear weapons against human beings but both the movies and the books say the great families have huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons as contingencies, while ignoring the fact that it isn't 20th century Earth and they can't just launch the ICBMs and hit any and every imaginable target.
A cultural thing maybe? They all have nukes but are too chickenshit to use them due to conventions, so they all have them almost for peace of mind the same way the Emperor had his Sardaukar and was forbidden to intervene in kanly for peace of mind. Idk, I'm drunk af off cognac now so maybe I'm spinning shit stupidly as apologism for Frank's shoddy writing.
I think the justification the great houses give for keeping their nukes despite the ban on actually using them against other houses is that they need to be prepared in case humanity ever encounters another intelligent and powerful species in space
>another
They never encountered any in Dune. It is devoid of intelligent lifeforms, and only Brian turnt the Butlerian Jihad into a humanity vs. Skynet scenario vs. the original intent of pro-AI vs. anti-AI human factions.
yeah I know that. I am saying that is the reason the houses give for keeping their nukes.
All these brainlets who never read the books
It was a sneak attack and the nukes are used to obliterate another house that breaks the taboo not left in silos for MAD
The real question is...
Why didn't Chani speak with an accent like all the other Fremen did? She just spoke with a regular american accent
Zoomers can handle ugly brown women but not jacking off to Arabs.
>Zoomers can handle ugly brown women but not jacking off to Arabs.
Haven't you seen the pro-palestine college zoomer protests?
Lazy, shitty actress I've only seen her in DUNC
They even have her point out that Stilgar has a southern Fremen accent, but literally everyone around her has a similar accent EXCEPT her
>Lazy, shitty actress I've only seen her in DUNC
I've written before that I've liked Zendaya in other roles like Rue in Euphoria but for Chani? She hasn't got the 'it' factor. Even if written as dryly as she was in Dune, she doesn't evoke the hardened, exotic Fremen warrior Chani was. Seeing her shriek in an American accent alone among the Fremen was cringe. I believe she was forced on Denis because she was, and is, hot shit. The whole cast is guided by flavor of the month. Consider how logical having Feyd set up in DUNC 1 would have been, and, yet, they waited until DUNC 2 was in production to get the latest hot shit actor, and that happened to be Butler after he blew up following Elvis.
There clearly were a lot of conditions Denis had to accept in order to be allowed to make Dune. There is no way he suddenly became obsessed with meme actors out of nowhere.
Remember his praise of her a few years back when she got some award? It was such verbal diarrhea that it reads as somewhat insincere - a mix of liking her as a person in real life (and I am sure she is a great person to know and be friends with in that capacity) vs. her being a studio-enforced choice.
Here is what he said btw.
>"She [Zendaya] is an autonomous creative force. A cultural icon in the making. A person driven by pure inspiration, empathy, and respect for her craft, who uses authenticity as a new superpower"
My God, what a mouthful of bullshit. I would probably say something similar about a person I loved as a friend but knew was a shit fit for an acting role.
When was this? Literally sounds like a ChatGPT generated PR statement.
https://time.com/collection/100-most-influential-people-2022/6177806/zendaya/
I dont have access to full article now, but back then, that was the source of his verbal shit
>I dont have access to full article now
Just use archive.is or archive.org paypiggu
>The whole cast is guided by flavor of the month.
Yeah I was saying this back when DUNC Part 1 was coming out
Oscar Isaac, Jason Mamoa, Timmy and Zendaya all felt like that type of casting to me, probably more too
I like Bardem as Stilgar and Brolin as Gurney though, even if the latter makes Gurney such a dry and boring character compared to what he's supposed to be.
Isaac should have been Idaho, Eric Bana should have been Leto, and James Callis should have been Shaddam.
>Eric Bana should have been Leto,
Nah, Kyle Mclaughlin should have been Leto
David Lynch should have been Shaddam
Kyle McLaughlin is reserved for the Preacher in Children of Dune
That would have been fun as frick, but mainly for longtime fans. For the purposes of new movies, I stand by my choices. Shit, I'm such a Lynchgay that I initially cast Eamon Farren as Feyd.
I even made years old and pre-Butler posts about it because I felt he was both good and believeable as a Chalamet-Paul cousin.
Doesn't this look like the face of a reasonable Baron?
Idk who that is. Issue with Skarsgard was that he was a Kutz LARPer in 1 and in 2 he had some personality but had too little screentime. An extended edition is needed for us to actually feel the Baron as a great villain. Imagine if Peter Jackson NEVER released Samurman's death in RotK. Denis is doing something like that if he refuses to ever release the deleted scenes
>Issue with Skarsgard was that he was a Kutz LARPer in 1
You just discredited everything you've written up to this point. One small cinematic reference (rubbing his bald head obscured in vapour) does not a LARP make, his performance has absolutely nothing in common with Brando's Kurtz
Nobody has done stilgar right. Or Duncan idaho, frankly.
>Gurney Halleck: Ugly but charming, a troubadour bard swashbuckler. But ugly.
Picard had the personality but not the look at all
Sci-fi had the look, no personality I can remember. Maybe, he might have been okay
Brolin has the look, not the personality
>Duncan Idaho: Moonfaced mediterranean casanova. Suave ladiesman. I think lithe and smooth like a panther. Short? Not tall and bulky, at least.
Lynch had the look but who the frick remembers Idaho?
Sci-fi I don't remember
About the only thing Momoa does right is he's a ladies man/heartthrob. Otherwise nothing.
Stilgar is MVP. Frankly the emperor was horribly cast and I wouldn't be surprised if it was 'walk without rhythm and you won't attract the worm' music video memery that got him picked.
I really did like Timmy though as Paul. Paul being some lanky boyish looking mommas boy nerd transforming into gigahitler-genghis-muhammad is perfect. People wanting him to be some imposing chad are ignorant of the point.
So he had the option of uniting Harkonnen and Atredies or the jihad?
I agree with your takes 100%. I do think it's hilarious to imagine all the Momoas in GEoD though
Brolin doesn't have the look at all. He's handsome. You want Halleck played by someone like Pete Postlethwaite.
>Lynch had the look but who the frick remembers Idaho?
OH N-
>Sci-fi I don't remember
kinda longish black haired very irish-sounding guy, kinda swarthy iirc
didnt look physically impressive
>So he had the option of uniting Harkonnen and Atredies or the jihad?
pretty much, in Messiah he tells his son that he did it for Chani - so I think the implication is that his choices where
>lead the jihad
>swear fealty to baron and join him, betray and oppress the fremen, but save himself and his mom
>die and the jihad still happens later on (could be decades or something) and there's no one to control it so there's a lot more death
he couldn't see the golden path
In the book she's not full Fremen, only half because Kynes is her father so her accent is noticeably different from the Fremen's. Though I still think she should have an accent, just a slightly different one.
Is kynes her mother in the film?
Never mentioned or even hinted at.
A shame the movies never covered the relationship between lasguns and shields. Even if they omitted the kino concept of a lasgun hitting a shield = explosion that kills both, at least could have shown a lasgun hitting a shield basically doing frick all. It's impotent against a shield, hence the need for knives. Still one of the best potential setpieces on film never covered was Ducan's shield trap in the desert that results in such an aggressive explosion that Jessica mistook it for an atomic.
all that stuff is dumb and cringe, thank god they cut it. if everyone just carried nukes on them at all times, the enemy would instantly use it to destroy whole cities with a single lasgun shot.
Cuz uhhhh he's on it
every single fight was way too one sided and the fight choreography in some scenes was just awful
>are you serious? I just... I just told you that. A moment ago
from the trail I hated this casting. but seeing the emperor in the movie is quite cool. demeanor is fitting.
what happens to caladan? I don't think Atreides brought every citizen to the arrakis like the movie seems to suggest.
Corrinos were spawned by Black folk.
seems moronic for paul to resort to terrorism because the great houses refuse to recognize his ascension.
>just admit that this is the only bit that truly triggered your chud fragility and made you decide that you now have to despise Dune.
better question
why don't they take the worms
find another planet that is desert like arrakis, hell doesn't even have to be a desert planet just a planet with a large desert like they have on Arrakis. Place the sand worm larvae on the planet, let them grow and soon you will have more spice on another planet to harvest. Hell it could even be an Earth-like planet. I mean look at the Sahara desert and how large it is, there would be other planets with other deserts on them to put the worms.
then Arakis becomes irrelevant and you can leave the fremen there without space ships to live their shitty lives.
They eventually do that in the later books long after Paul is dead.
But at this point in the books they don't even know the sandworms are key in producing spice.
That and a planet with too much moisture just kills the worm, so it'd have to be a super fricking in depth project to find a planet with the right conditions, capture enough worms to make the new Arrakis economically viable and not have some other faction frick with it along the way.
>still using spice
is the old system still in place? I thought the purpose of the golden path is free mankind from stagnation of the current order
By that point the Empire died with Leto II and everyone scattered. he spread the knowledge on his death about ships that didn't need navigators or spice. Part of the reason why the scattering worked was technology/ the Atreides genetic line that made people invisible to prescience, arguably even more important than the spice because any tyrant with prescience could still control humanity as a whole.
maybe? all I remember is they tried it on Salusa Secundus and it didn't work, but they do try it on another planet and it does.
The old system isn't in place, Leto effectively removes the monopoly over spice by both arranging for artificial spice to be developed which means that Arrakis is no longer the most important planet in the universe and dissolves into a bazillion sandtrout which will grow into sandworms so that people can still get the OG shit as well as move the sandtrout to other planets if they need to
Heretics goes into it a bit.
The Bene Gesserit still need real melange since the synthetic spice from the Tleilauxu doesn't give them their 'powers'.
They acknowledge that the spacing guild no longer needs spice since they can manage using the Ixian no-ships instead.
i thought you needed a planet with moisture so the sand trout could sequester the water as part of the cycle that produce a sand worm.
Yeah you basically have to produce spice on a water rich planet that the worms turn into a desert. They kept taking the sand trout to actual desert planets and woopsie, they died.
>But at this point in the books they don't even know the sandworms are key in producing spice
lolwut yeah they do but they are still coasting off the giant stash Leto left Siona when he died but the Bene Geserit are working on getting fully grown sandworms on their own planet
so why don't they kill the sandworms then, just let morons ride them around fricking shit up?
The worms only grow in Arrakis soil and atmosphere. They instadie when taken out of their habitat
I'll bet my left nut they will introduce house ordos as the "AI BAD" villain
if spice is necessary for interstellar travel, how was spice discovered if you have to travel interstellar to Arrakis in order to harvest it?
Spice just made it so humans could become navigators. They get limited prescience which lets them steer the ship safely, the engines don't need spice but was probably horribly dangerous with whatever tech they had before.
da thinking machines could pilot through space before they were destroyed in the butlerian jihad
they travel by folding space.
navigators make it so they don't fall into gravity wells and other dangerous shit.
they can't use a computer to calculate it because computers enslaved humans for hundreds of years
>computers enslaved humans for hundreds of years
Brian fanfic
They used computers before they were outlawed but they can also travel through space at slower than light speed without spice/computers
I keep fricking thinking this is jigsaw.
>Would you like to Lisan al Gaib?
>hurr just nuke the source of the most important substance in the universe and the foundation for travel, currency, and infrastructure in your entire society
Is this the single worst OP on Cinemaphile recently?
They never get the eyes right.
I always pictured a darker blue on blue almost to the point of black like a predator whose whites you can't see
In the books their eyes are literally one unbroken shade of blue without visible pupils or irises. They never do it in movies cause you lose a lot of expressiveness if you get rid of the irises and pupils, you can't tell where someone is looking.
>you can't tell where someone is looking.
exactly
it should be unsettling to look at one who is addicted to the spice.
But it would ruin all emotions for people to relate to.
Wtf they have botox and bog doctors on Arrakis?
>paul
couldnt they come up with a cooler sounding name? something like kareem abdul jabbar sounds way better, but fricking paul? if youre going with the whole space jihad might as well go all in
the point is he's meant to be an outsider moron. it's like the second coming of Mohammed being a guy named John Smith.
>why didnt he nuke the fricking planet to kill off paul
because the other great houses would've come down on him and finally usurped him together, the one great thing he's trying to avoid.
This guy gets it. Reading Comprehension is What??
why didn't he frick his daughter?
The Emperor is terrified of the other houses even finding out he killed Leto because it would unite them all against him. The biggest taboo in their society is using nukes to kill people, maybe making a computer is worse but nukes are still something that would unite all the houses against him.
His most brainlet move though is having confidence Feyd is going to kill Paul. Paul has already cut down dozens of his most battle hardened Sardaukar by himself. Feyd is a rich kid who has only ever had one real fight in his life and even that was still sort of rigged. He doesn’t really have a better option but he could have saved more face and maybe a better position for himself by just admitting defeat earlier.
At least in the book he’s just counting on Feyd to tire him out so he can throw Count Fenring at him, which Fenring nopes out of. The movie sells it somewhat by having Chalamet be a miscast manlet that is impossible to buy as a knife fighter whereas Butler looks like a legitimately deranged bloodthirsty psychopath, but still, you don’t look at a guy who has just cut his way through the most professional honor guard in the universe without breaking a sweat and decide you’re going to end him with a guy who fights matches that are more rigged than pro wrestling.
Does he randomly stabs people in the book?
He only exists for the knife duel with Paul at the end
so the whole gladiator thing was invented for the movie? That's awesome. I remember Sting showing up and I thought I had missed something.
>so the whole gladiator thing was invented for the movie?
No that's in the book but the undrugged guy is a plot by Feyd and Thufir and Feyd can cheat to win. The Baron would never risk Feyds life like in dunc.
Arakis is the only source of Spice.
Spice is an expensive drug, and used by the Navigators for interstellar travel.
Nuke Arakis and there is no Spice.
No Spice and not only do CHOAM profits plummet, but interstellar trade will grind to a halt.
> Paul destroys the spice cycle
> Spacing Guild, Fremen and melange using aristocrats all die painfully (a good thing tbph) but commoners survive on thousands of planets
> no space travel until some world goes frick the Butlerian taboos, we're building a flight computer (this might take millennia but so what?)
>galactic commerce restarts
CMV: This is preferable to those fricking Atreides and their army of Fremen rape gangs running the show
>CMV
yeah, I can't get behind paul and the fremen
Why can sandworms only exist on Arrakis? Why can't they just breed them in multple planets?
Is this character even in part I? He has barely any screentime and yet the movie acts like if he's extremely important.
Denis could never have this attention to detail
It's cool, but the set sucks and the story is completely mangled in Lynch's Dune.
>the set sucks
I think not
This shot is better but the ceiling is too low.
Shaddam liked a cosy throne room, the Atreides usurper had one the size of a sport stadium because he was overcompensating
I mean, did it matter what he liked? He was the last in a long line of Emperors, I doubt every Emepror just changed his throne room.
based and unironically beautiful, people who are cynical about grandeur and beauty are small-minded and bitter people who are lying to themselves
He did it to impress/scare people. He wanted them to feel small and tired by the time they reached his throne.
so it was functional as well, doesnt that make it even better?
It's a cool throne room, I'm not that anon who posted this picture.
Oh my god they even have dickveins
Its to remind the Bene Gesserits that only penis havers can have time vision
kino
shame about all the moronic shit in the second half
like that weird box laser weapon thing they fight with
He couldn't
This guy looks 30 in the book because Spice. Why the frick was he a fricking zombie in this???
Spice kept him younger?
Yeah its a youth drug and nootropic, that's why every richgay wants it. idk why the Fremen aren't living to 300 with the amount in their diet though
Because they get shanked
Why do male zoomers love Paul so much?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4oUVNc7pcAA
>entire scene where mudskin and twink take down the gay dragonfly
>moments later someone fires a laser through the harvester
Why didn't they just use that fricking laser on the dragonfly as well? And don't say MUH SHIELDING you homosexuals, they could just slow the laser down.
>And don't say MUH SHIELDING you homosexuals, they could just slow the laser down
Laser + shield = sometimes nothing, sometimes a fricking nuke. Could've wiped everyone in that scene, in the worst case scenario.
>Laser + shield = sometimes nothing
So let me get this straight. Firing a laser at shielding results in a nuke. Why didn't the black sun gang just fire a laser down onto the shielded ships in the first film and just nuke everyone. Why don't the sandpeople use lasers from afar to just nuke their enemies?
Go ahead and come up with some copium to explain this shit poor excuse for a sci fi setting.
They don't want to nuke themselves. I don't even think it explodes in the point of contact. It's wildly unpredictable.
The better question is, why didn't they suicide bomb everyone by carrying a shield and a laser and firing one at another? Who the heck knows.
Fremen don't use shields because they attract worms like crazy.
>why didn't they suicide bomb everyone by carrying a shield and a laser and firing one at another?
doing this deliberately gets treated as equivalent to using a nuke, it's discussed in the book
Yeah, but Fremen weren't really bound by the anti-nuke laws? I mean, no one would glass Arrakis even if they nuked Arrakeen.
The warfare in Dune isn't that well thought out, I think it's more about how the author wanted a justification to have cool swordfights.
It's all about that intrigue, prescience, mysticism, subversion of mysticism and subversion of Hero's Journey. Also ecology.
>It's all about that intrigue, prescience, mysticism, subversion of mysticism and subversion of Hero's Journey
Then why didn't the movies have any of that?
They did have something of that. They had mysticism, but also subverted it by showing that all those prophecies were lies sown by Bene Gesserit - like in the book. They didn't have enough prescience to my liking, and the intrigue was much simplified for the screen. They did subvert the Hero's Journey, unlike the Lynch's movie, they did went with the Jihad even if they call it Holy War. Fremen are going to paint the Galaxy red.
Frembois aren't the downtrodden virtuous people dunc shows us, they go jihading for loot and sex slaves. They used to sacrifice virgins to sandworms before Liet made them stop
>I knew that my ancestors sacrificed virgins to Shai-hulud … before Liet-Kynes made us stop. It was wrong of us to stop.
They are virtuous, thoughever. It's clear Frank sympathized with them more than with the Great Houses playing their games. That's the tragedy of Dune - they lost their "purity" and turned into Sardaukar, basically. Their paradise destroyed them, just like it would destroy the spice if Leto II didn't reverse it.
Liet should have turned over Paul and Jessica to the Sardaukar and got back to the partial terraforming project, better for his people in the long run
>I mean, no one would glass Arrakis even if they nuked Arrakeen.
No nuking but a sustained program of extermination would follow supported by every power in the galaxy, even the Guild would assist . Then they'd repopulate with someone less uppity.
Let me guess this straight
>Fremens could literally just stealth mode with their sand hiding shit a thumper directly under a harvester
>they could use a laser on harvesters which are unshielded, and in fact something they do in the fricking film but they go in first for no reason at all? The chopper or ground troops didn't effect shit
>they could make a device that acts like a tripmine or grenade to set a laser off on shielded shit
>they could pop out of their caves and just laser gunships in two
Any number of things, Dune 'lore' is a fricking mess lmao can't believe people act like its good, this shits less believable than star wars.
the explosion can happen at both ends. an ultrashort pulse from far enough away would get around this however
>emperor of the universe
>lose one battle
>oh well guess i'm done being emperor lol
When will we admit dune is more poorly written than game of the thrones
I haven't read the books yet - if Herbert wanted lasers to be dangerous to use against shields, why not just make the shields able to reflect the lasers right back where they came from?
>Likewise, a planar effect field is transparent to all incoherent electromagnetic emissions traveling from the interior of the field to the exterior, regardless of its outer surface's absorption characteristics. However, when coherent light impinges upon a planar effect field from either surface, there is an uncommonly violent reaction. This reaction is the result of the coherent light causing the subverted binding force acting upon the pseudo-atoms in the field to rebel, rejecting its grip on the pseudo-matter. This causes an instantaneous and total conversion of the pseudo-mass of the shield into a lump of degenerate real matter at the spatial center of the volume enclosed by the planar effect, which matter then converts to pure energy. Fortunately, the actual mass of a planar field is usually quite tiny, on the order of .005 gram for a personal shield. Thus, this typical field, if touched by a laser beam, would result in an atomic blast with a power of 4,500,000,000,000,000,000 ergs, or a little less than .1 kiloton of the atomic scale.
100 tons of TNT ain't too bad, the Imperium are pussies
>Man breaks free from the longhousing brownoid wom*n, follows his faustian spirit and embarks on a genocidal adventure along with his male comrades
>Brownoid woman fricks off to the desert to seethe for eternity
>End of the movie
Why do we hate these movies again
Paul becoming the emperor of known space was dumb even in the book with 100s of pages of set up
It should have just been about him regaining control of Arrakis
>So...you're sayin...that...this Muad'dib fella...is gettin moah powafull...we...gotta stop him...
They should have cast her as Silly Sailor.
This Is What A Zoomer Sex Symbol Looks Like And It's Everything.
>christopher walken will die soon
im not ready bros
All of DUNC is dumb. Considering the ridiculous amount of resources they had, why don't they just trap the giant worms and build a space farm, breed them, feed them the required diet and milk them for the spice.
>why don't they just trap the giant worms
With fricking what homie they're too massive
The Space Guild would never let him do anything that would endanger the Spice.